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Thread: National Park Fee Increase?

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    Default National Park Fee Increase?

    The National Park Service is considering implementing “peak season pricing” in 17 of the country’s most popular parks, proposing an increase to $70 per car. Currently, Yellowstone charges $30 per vehicle, or $50 for Yellowstone and Grand Teton.

    The parks proposed for the increase would be: Arches, Bryce Canyon, Canyonlands, Denali, Glacier, Grand Canyon, Grand Teton, Olympic, Sequoia & Kings Canyon, Yellowstone, Yosemite, Zion, Acadia, Mount Rainier, Rocky Mountain, Shenandoah, and Joshua Tree, per the NPS.

    --https://www.nps.gov/orgs/1207/10-24-2017-fee-changes-proposal.htm

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    Quote Originally Posted by DarkShadow View Post
    The National Park Service is considering implementing “peak season pricing” in 17 of the country’s most popular parks, proposing an increase to $70 per car. Currently, Yellowstone charges $30 per vehicle, or $50 for Yellowstone and Grand Teton.

    The parks proposed for the increase would be: Arches, Bryce Canyon, Canyonlands, Denali, Glacier, Grand Canyon, Grand Teton, Olympic, Sequoia & Kings Canyon, Yellowstone, Yosemite, Zion, Acadia, Mount Rainier, Rocky Mountain, Shenandoah, and Joshua Tree, per the NPS.

    --https://www.nps.gov/orgs/1207/10-24-2017-fee-changes-proposal.htm
    You can't expect the Federal government to support Parks!!! They need "tax reform" (taking money away from another program) to off set the Tax Cut for Millionaires and Billionaires and Corporations. That's the only way we are going to get the Economy to grow at a rate of 3%-4%. So it's a small sacrifice up front we must all do. "To MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN!!!"
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    Quote Originally Posted by etucker1959 View Post
    Can't expect the Federal government to support Parks!!! They need "tax reform" (taking money away from another program) to off set the Tax Cut for Millionaires and Billionaires and Corporations. That's the only way we are going to get the Economy to grow at a rate of 3%-4%. So it's a small sacrifice up front we all must do. "To MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN!!!"
    Not to mention, they'd like to allow mining and drilling operations there as well. Maybe one day you can 'be allowed' to pay $150 per car to view some of the finest drilling and mining operations in the world. Of course you won't be able to catch anymore fish because of the pollution, but hey, look at the bright side. Some billionaire is going make more billions on it. YeeeHaaaaw "Make America Great Again" just not the water, air and soil that we depend on to survive.

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    Allow me to play Devil's Advocate here, (and this is NOT my opinion).

    How much is it to go to Disneyland nowadays?

    I know low income families that have no problem paying $500 just for entrance fees to see a mouse, or pay that much to get into Dodger Stadium in October.

    For $70 bucks, you can get an entire car load into a National Park (for a week) and see some mice, a few pika, maybe see a bear or two. You may even see a moose!


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    That's what these people (rich Republicans) do -- lower taxes on themselves and raise the fees imposed on everybody else. I wonder if my wife's lifetime National Parks pass will still be honored.

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    Yea and the left never takes extra money out of peoples wallets. Please see California's newest gas tax for example. Left can rape everybody's wallet and it's ok. I think many of you need a little mirror time. I understand the concerns but don't get the lack of self reflection.

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    Quote Originally Posted by seal View Post
    Yea and the left never takes extra money out of peoples wallets. Please see California's newest gas tax for example. Left can rape everybody's wallet and it's ok. I think many of you need a little mirror time. I understand the concerns but don't get the lack of self reflection.
    The ole "The left does it too!" argument.

    I have a better proposal.

    Instead of taxing everyone who drives/consumes gasoline, you give the rich a tax break.

    With the extra revenue, they can pave California's highways and roads for us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by seal View Post
    Yea and the left never takes extra money out of peoples wallets. Please see California's newest gas tax for example. Left can rape everybody's wallet and it's ok. I think many of you need a little mirror time. I understand the concerns but don't get the lack of self reflection.
    Benefit user taxation (Gasoline Tax's for example) is the fairest taxation there is, let me explain!! The easiest way to make a comparison about what the new tax increase will do to you and me is??? Try to imagine you have 2 people that has the same car that get's 30 miles to a gallon on the Highway. If person A drives 300 miles a week (he uses 10 gallons a week) the new tax increase will cost him 12 cents times 10 gallons or $1.20 per week more then he was paying before. ($4.80 a month) Person B is retired so he only drives 150 miles a week. (he fishes for catfish in his local pond) lol He's on the road using the Highway only half as much as person A. So he only buy's 5 Gallons a week of Gasoline. 12 cents times 5 gallons or .60 cents a week increase. ($2.40 cents a month increase in Gas tax's) So it is a fair tax, the way it's implemented. (you drive more, you pay more, because your on the Highway more!!) The way the price of Gas has bounced around in the last 7 years, you won't even notice the difference!!!

    Now if you really want to get excited about unfair taxation. Wait and see what the Republicans roll out tomorrow in the way of Tax reform!!! Get back to me then and try to start complaining about how unfair our new CA. Gasoline Tax really is in comparison!!! The Left's idea's are not perfect, but every time the Right try's to implement one of their idea's. It's considerably worse then anything the Left ever came up with. Why do you think we lost all the Conservatives off of this board???? Because when their idea's and people got control of the Federal government. It just proved once and for all, their idea's were pure "Horse Manure!!" Because they are too impractical to implement. Where is, "I'm a Fiscal Conservative" now trying to defend Tax reform his party is trying to make the Law of the Land???
    Last edited by etucker1959; 10-31-2017 at 06:30 PM.

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    Yes, liberals raise fees and sales taxes too, Seal. The difference is that they would rather raise income taxes on those who can most afford them, the wealthy, while conservatives would rather lower income taxes on the wealthy, probably because they are their major donors, in the case of Republican politicians. Lowering taxes (the laughable Laffer curve aside) cuts government revenue so that they have less money to build and repair roads, etc., while raising taxes gives the government the money to do so without going further into debt. Yes, government debt is a problem that both parties have contributed to, but cutting taxes only makes it worse.

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    What the Republicans are calling "tax reform" would actually be named "tax cuts for the rich" if they were being honest.

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