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    Quote Originally Posted by GeordyBass View Post
    Smell,stupidity,etc.

    Weed(or Illegal drugs or substances)=not allowed in my boat.
    not a good example for a 15yr old like me.
    Bro Geordy,
    Not all stoners are smelly and stupid
    Some points that have been repeatedly made in this thread insinuate you may not even know the stoners you may or may not already fish with. Most people out there are pretty discrete about it.

    However, I agree. It is not a good example for someone your age to have around.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sansou View Post
    Predictable response.
    only if you knew me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tacklejunkie View Post
    Bro Geordy,
    Not all stoners are smelly and stupid
    Some points that have been repeatedly made in this thread insinuate you may not even know the stoners you may or may not already fish with. Most people out there are pretty discrete about it.

    However, I agree. It is not a good example for someone your age to have around.
    I understand bro,but still not allowed on my boat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sansou View Post
    Jimmy951,

    When in Rome...



    In other words, I find your links are not salient to the question posed to Mr. MakersMark.

    Am I to be surprised that large pharmaceutical companies have engineered synthetic narcotics? We all know that. Furthermore, how do your links support your case for legalizing marijuana. Connect the dots for me, I am apparently not as bright as you, or as creative in what I choose to hyperlink.

    The question still remains, why is it that marijuana is globally considered an illicit substance? Arguably, if we were the only nation on earth with such a hangup with the plant, one could make the case that marijuana in the US has been maligned and poorly legislated. However, as I see it, our history explains nothing in regards to the attitudes such disparate countries such as, say, Thailand vis Russia handle this substance.

    This may be a stretch (so bear with me), could it quite possibly be, perhaps on some cosmically infinitesimally minute level (feel free to toke up and "expand" your mind now), on a Jungian collective level that nearly all forms of functional working governments (democratic, monarchic, oligarchic, communistic, etc... ad nauseam) classify cannabis as an illicit substance because they all have independently figured out that the ills of cannabis outweigh the positive properties???

    Get back to me with a relevant link when you sober up. I don't expect original thought from you, so let's just shoot for a relevant link in the future....or not!
    Sansou, find links to the three major International drug control treaties currently in force as well as additional information, and remember you asked for these, so please do not turn around and ask me to read them for you, if you do not wish to read them then perhaps it may be a good idea to refrain from requesting such links.

    International Treaty - 1961 Single Convention on Narcotic Drugs
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single_...Narcotic_Drugs

    International Treaty - 1971 Convention on Psychotropic Substances
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convent...pic_Substances

    International Treaty - 1988 United Nations Convention Against Illicit Traffic in Narcotic Drugs and Psychotropic Substances.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_...pic_Substances

    Here is a link to a video that may be interesting to some
    http://www.videosift.com/video/Ameri...e-Full-Movie-1

    Here is some additional information regarding international drug policy history and info on other countries that feel America forces or bullies them into compliance of their drug policies.

    “The international war on drugs is a policy conceived, created and enforced by the government of the United States of America. Eight hundred philosophers, scientists and statesmen say it's time to stop the madness.”

    “On June 6, 1998, a surprising letter was delivered to Kofi Annan, secretary-general of the United Nations. We believe, the letter declared, that the global war on drugs is now causing more harm than drug abuse itself. The letter was signed by 800 statesmen, politicians, academics and other public figures. Former UN secretary-general Javier Perez de Cuellar signed. So did George Shultz, the former American secretary of state, and Joycelyn Elders, the former American surgeon-general. Nobel laureates such as Milton Friedman and Argentina's Adolfo Perez Esquivel added their names. Four former presidents and seven former cabinet ministers from Latin American countries signed. And several eminent Canadians were among the signatories.

    The drug policies the world has been following for decades are a destructive failure, they said. Trying to stamp out drug abuse by banning drugs has only created an illegal industry worth $400 billion US or roughly eight per cent of international trade. The letter continued: This industry has empowered organized criminals, corrupted governments at all levels, eroded internal security, stimulated violence, and distorted both economic markets and moral values. And it concluded that these were the consequences not of drug use per se, but of decades of failed and futile drug war policies.

    This powerful statement landed on Annan's desk just as the United Nations was holding a special assembly on global drug problems. Going into that meeting, the governments of the world appeared all but unanimous in the belief that the best way to combat drug abuse was to ban the production, sale or possession of certain drugs. Drug prohibition, most governments feel, makes harmful substances less available to people and far more expensive than they would otherwise be. Combined with the threat of punishment for using or selling drugs, prohibition significantly cuts the number of people using these substances, thus saving them from the torment of addiction and reducing the personal and social harms drugs can inflict. For these governments—and probably for most people in most countries—drug prohibition is just common sense.

    Still, the letter to Annan showed that this view is far from unanimous. In fact, a large and growing number of world leaders and experts think the war on drugs is nothing less than a humanitarian disaster. Still, governments are nearly unanimous in supporting drug prohibition. There is little debate at the official level. It's not easy to imagine alternatives to a policy that has been in place for decades, especially when few people remember how the policy came into being in the first place, or why. War on drugs is a compelling sound bite, whereas the damage drug prohibition may do is complex and impossible to summarize on a bumper sticker.

    But the core reason the war on drugs completely dominates the official policies of so many nations, including our own, is simple: The United States insists on it. The international war on drugs is a policy conceived, created and enforced by the government of the United States of America. Originally, nations were cajoled, prodded or bullied into joining it. Then it became international orthodoxy, and today most national governments, including Canada's, are enthusiastic supporters of prohibition. To the extent that they debate drug policy at all, it is only to question how strictly or harshly prohibition should be enforced, not whether the basic idea is sound. The few officials and governments that do stray, even slightly, outside the prohibition orthodoxy are cajoled, manipulated or bullied to get back in.”

    Continued in the following link for those interested.
    http://hartford-hwp.com/archives/27c/588.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by GeordyBass View Post
    I understand bro,but still not allowed on my dads boat.
    again no one said they would bring it on your dads boat.. or even announce they smoke so get over your self...i personally wouldnt want to be on a boat with a underage driver... imo teenagers can be just as stipid and be sober...not saying anything towards you but in general.. the funny thing is you say your 15 and say its your boat which is proly your dads anyway, but its illegal for you to drive the boat at your age..and again imo a underage driver is more dangerous than someone sittin on there arse smokin some pot..
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    LEAP (Law Enforcement Against Prohibition)
    http://leap.cc/cms/index.php


    in case some of you dont know this, there is a large group of Law Enforcement personnel that are trying to end prohibition because they have seen first hand the amount of damage it creates, this should say something as they are the very people who enforced these laws.

    LEAP's Mission Statement


    Founded on March 16, 2002, LEAP is made up of current and former members of law enforcement who believe the existing drug policies have failed in their intended goals of addressing the problems of crime, drug abuse, addiction, juvenile drug use, stopping the flow of illegal drugs into this country and the internal sale and use of illegal drugs. By fighting a war on drugs the government has increased the problems of society and made them far worse. A system of regulation rather than prohibition is a less harmful, more ethical and a more effective public policy.

    The mission of LEAP is to reduce the multitude of unintended harmful consequences resulting from fighting the war on drugs and to lessen the incidence of death, disease, crime, and addiction by ultimately ending drug prohibition.

    LEAP's goals are:

    1. To educate the public, the media, and policy makers, to the failure of current drug policy by presenting a true picture of the history, causes and effects of drug abuse and the crimes related to drug prohibition and
    2. To restore the public's respect for law enforcement, which has been greatly diminished by its involvement in imposing drug prohibition.

    LEAP's main strategy for accomplishing these goals is to create a constantly enlarging speakers bureau staffed with knowledgeable and articulate former drug-warriors who describe the impact of current drug policies on: police/community relations; the safety of law enforcement officers and suspects; police corruption and misconduct; and the financial and human costs associated with current drug policies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by matt duarte View Post
    again no one said they would bring it on your dads boat.. or even announce they smoke so get over your self...i personally wouldnt want to be on a boat with a underage driver... imo teenagers can be just as stupid and be sober...not saying anything towards you but in general.. the funny thing is you say your 15 and say its your boat which is proly your dads anyway, but its illegal for you to drive the boat at your age..and again imo a underage driver is more dangerous than someone sittin on there arse smokin some pot..
    BuuuuuRRrrRRrrNNNNN!
    couldn't have said it better myself!

    why are you even reading this thread though, GeordyBass? your 15.
    go chase some neighborhood girls around little man. I think its good you dont want to smoke marijuana. I wouldn't recommend it to anyone under 18, infact it would be 21 in my opinion, cause most 18 year olds are still dumb *** little punks that think there adults. (I said MOST, not ALL.) Marijuana doesn't concern you right now, just know not to do it and leave it there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tacklejunkie View Post
    Bro Geordy,
    Not all stoners are smelly and stupid
    Some points that have been repeatedly made in this thread insinuate you may not even know the stoners you may or may not already fish with. Most people out there are pretty discrete about it.

    However, I agree. It is not a good example for someone your age to have around.
    another good point.
    you dont really have to tell us your 15 little bro, by saying things like, "i dunno, smell, stupidity....." your showing us how young you are. Your making it out to be like people who smoke pot are dead heads, stinky hippie stoners. I hate that we have to break it to you, but out of allllll the nicest, clean cut, respectable people youve ever met, one of them is a stoner. sorry.

    and you dont have to worry about people bringing pot on your boat.
    no grown man wants to smoke pot with, around, near, or close to a 15 year old. Were responsible enough to keep it out of underage kids sight, (most of us anyways) which is why you think no one you know smokes pot.

    thou shall not judge little bro.

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    MD,you cannot justify that MY boats aren't MY boats.I find my way to make $$$,SO I PAID FOR MY BOATS,Why are you also changing my quote?was that neccesary?Or you wanted to bash me some eh....Jedi,whatever you say is what u say,i'm gonna try to get it banned....haha....

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    chasing girls is a much funner thing to do, at 15.
    trust me.

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