Looks like 4 more years !

[etucker1959]

Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result, or as you quoted so eloquently on here last year... and I paraphrase. I don't know how the state does it but it works!! The fact that it is afloat is not because of good leadership but it's because of the tax payers who break their back paying into the system despite the efforts of their leaders to @#$# it up!! This is one of the worse states when it comes to the k-12 education school system and has one of the highest rates of poverty and yet you liberals love to tout how the state contributes more into the federal coffers than it gets back. You don't remember the gas tax that was supposed to go into infrastructure years ago and now they're coming back with their hands out again but do a little research and you'll find that revenue collected was misappropriated into other pots. Gas in other states are UNDER $3 and the roads are fine.

The roads might be in fair shape in other states, but do they have 40 million people driving on them??? Think of all the cars California has as compared to other states. More cars cause a lot more use on the roads and California has many many more Freeways and roads that need more and more maintenance!!!

Speaking of Freeways, do you know why they are called Freeways???? Because they are FREE FREE FREE!!!! Back east they have tons of toll way's!!! Guess what a toll way does to the people who drive on them??? They have to pay money to use it!!! (they still pay gas tax's too!!!) Do you want me to get into the Federal Gas tax???? Don't you think CA contributes more then their share to that??? I think I made my point about other states roads aren't fine and California doesn't need to copy their model!!!

[steelhead]

The roads are back in the rural parts of California as well where you don't have the amount of traffic you see here in LA so that doesn't explain anything and also the roads in the Paficic Northwest are subject to freezing temperature, rain and snow so environmental impacts that would cause more stress yet they are fine, see how the 5FWY looks noticeably in better shape when you cross into OR and WA? they are FREE until they are not, ever heard of OCTA's 405 project or how about the 71 or 133 or 91 , 241 tolls. The 405 project is going to charge people a premium to travel the tolls and depending on peak hours will charge more so they are not FREE.

The roads might be in fair shape in other states, but do they have 40 million people driving on them??? Think of all the cars California has as compared to other states. More cars cause a lot more use on the roads and California has many many more Freeways and roads that need more and more maintenance!!!

Speaking of Freeways, do you know why they are called Freeways???? Because they are FREE FREE FREE!!!! Back east they have tons of toll way's!!! Guess what a toll way does to the people who drive on them??? They have to pay money to use it!!! (they still pay gas tax's too!!!) Do you want me to get into the Federal Gas tax???? Don't you think CA contributes more then their share to that??? I think I made my point about other states roads aren't fine and California doesn't need to copy their model!!!

[Natural Lefty]

You are confusing apples and oranges here, Steelhead. First, voter ID laws have nothing to do with Trump. They are the idea of Republican state legislators.

Second, these laws have been found to be discriminatory, at least by some courts. That means they discriminate against minority people. It appears to be the intent of this legislation to make if more difficult for non white people to vote. White people mostly favor Republicans, while nonwhite people overwhelmingly favor Democrats. Thus, it is an attempt to help Republicans win elections.

It so happens that less educated white people tended to vote for Trump. It has not been true of all Republicans that they have appealed to less educated voters, but it is consistent that they have appealed to white voters, who are more likely to have the required ID. Thus, this issue is about race, not education level. It may have something to do with income level because minorities are more often poor and also less likely to have ID. Also, legal immigrants may feel intimidated and afraid to vote if asked for ID.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics...-study/517218/

Regarding the problem getting worse, well, even Kobach the vote suppressor behind Crosscheck could only find 20 something cases of voter fraud, and not all of these were illegal immigrants or Democrats.

[steelhead]

The idea that voter ID laws would discriminate against minorities is pure conjecture as are your other points indicating that democrat voters would be the ones most impacted by having a voter ID law, what "statistics" point to more democrats NOT having id compared to republican voters? So now less educated whites are trump voters but they are NOT impacted by the voter ID laws but educated minorities who happen to NOT have ID but are impacted by ID laws. So the minority democratic voters are more educated but yet they don't have ID, wouldn't you associate education with higher income levels and yet the cry from liberals is getting an ID causes financial stress on these voters. Right Yes let's cherry pick what narratives support your leftist agenda.

You are confusing apples and oranges here, Steelhead. First, voter ID laws have nothing to do with Trump. They are the idea of Republican state legislators.

Second, these laws have been found to be discriminatory, at least by some courts. That means they discriminate against minority people. It appears to be the intent of this legislation to make if more difficult for non white people to vote. White people mostly favor Republicans, while nonwhite people overwhelmingly favor Democrats. Thus, it is an attempt to help Republicans win elections.

It so happens that less educated white people tended to vote for Trump. It has not been true of all Republicans that they have appealed to less educated voters, but it is consistent that they have appealed to white voters, who are more likely to have the required ID. Thus, this issue is about race, not education level. It may have something to do with income level because minorities are more often poor and also less likely to have ID. Also, legal immigrants may feel intimidated and afraid to vote if asked for ID.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics...-study/517218/

Regarding the problem getting worse, well, even Kobach the vote suppressor behind Crosscheck could only find 20 something cases of voter fraud, and not all of these were illegal immigrants or Democrats.