Went to manhatten wendsday to fish the churned up sand for perch since the waves were 8-10ft. Only one dink and a thirty dollar overtime parking ticket. :roll: Met an older asian F. man going off the pier when I was going on, and he said, venice was'nt biting either so he came here, two croakers only! He said, he just had a fishing derby about two weeks ago with his fishing club "Venice fishing club" and they decided to dis-band :( He seemed sad about it,I felt sorry for him, but oh well, may God bless him with better fishing days ahead!! I googled "Venice Fishing Club" and would think you other FFNers might find the info. on these guys interesting ? Like to fish and talk with some of these guys that are left, must be gold mines of experiencial info.? :)