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    I know this is going to come off as an angry rant. (Some of you might say, "their is never any guarantees in fishing") I know that!!!! But when a trip is set up with a high probability to fail, someone should be held accountable! Why would someone set up a trip that is doomed to failure, before it ever left the dock! Money of course is the correct answer! Money makes people do a lot of stupid things we all know. Especially to a young business man who hasn't been in the ownership business that long! Practically ever sportfishing trip I ever been on in the last 50 years, was always designed to give the angler (customer) the greatest chance for that angler to catch a fish. (so I was a little naive in giving this guy the benefit of doubt) But this trip I was on, was only designed as a money making trip for the boat owner and was willing to throw his customers under the bus. Then just sweep his ugly trip under the rug, hoping no one would notice it! His mistake was Social Media was out there! Even though some ocean sport fishing sites, protect boat owners from negative comments. Fortunately this one doesn't.

    Let me set the stage for you, so people know what I'm talking about.

    The Pride is a smaller sportfishing boat that runs out of 22nd street landing in San Pedro. It offers Island trip and offshore trip in search of Tuna and Dorado. It use to be named the Orion and ran out of Seaforth landing for over 20 years. It was bought in the last year or so, by a guy named Shon who is now the owner operator of the vessel. (So as President Harry S. Truman would say, "the Buck stops here"!) As with Shon being the owner operator.

    As the 2022 sportfishing season is winding down now, the only 2 species of fish that are still biting are Rockfish and Bluefin Tuna. I have a very good friend of mine, who use to be a solid ocean angler. The problem is, "time caught up with him" and his body can't do the ocean fishing any more! But his mind still thinks he can! So he goes on the sportfishing boats and stays in his bunk for the whole trip, except for maybe 30 minutes of actual fishing time. So in 10 trips this year, he's caught and landing 2 Rockfish in his 10 trips! I told him to give it up and start joining me on my freshwater trips. I'll give him some easy breezy ones, where their not too tiring and he will catch something good! Nope he doesn't want to hear that! So he's gone on 2 tuna trips in the last month up here and gave his 30 minutes of try on both trips. He actually hooked a tuna on 1 of the trips. He fought it for as long as he could and passed the rod to the captain, who then lost it! (he hooked it on too light of line for the size of the fish) Now he tells me, he is going to keep going till he catches one! I then tell him Einstein definition of insanity. Keep doing the same thing over and over again, expecting a different result! (he didn't think that was very funny!)

    So I come up with a plan. If I see the counts look really solid and good weather. I'll invite him to go with a plan in mind. I'll let him lay in his bunk till they start to bite. Then get him up with his 30 minutes of energy. Hopefully he will hook a fish, "Let him fight it for as long as he can!" Then finish it off for him! Send him back to bed for the rest of the trip and hopefully I can catch one and then end his insanity over these tuna! That was my plan and probably would have worked. But I trusted an unknown owner operator named Shon, who was just in it for the money for himself! Hopefully people will figure this guy out and he will be out of the sportfishing game soon! These sport boats come up for sale all the time. So that tells me people go out of this business all the time!

    Here is how we got screwed!

    The Bluefin Tuna in the last week were biting the best they were all season and at a beautiful size! 50-100 pounds with the average fish being 60-80 pounds! (that's a nice size fish) So he had on his schedule a 12:30 pm departure and a 7 pm return the next day. It's all been an all night bite only all week. So fish during the night and early morning and then go home! I like that, "get the job done and then go home!" The 12:30 pm departure time did seemed a little odd to me. But I trusted the Captain that he knew what he was doing! That the boat would get to the spot at a good time and make a catch! Remember I got 50 years of experience, that told me Captains will make every effort to give their clients the best opportunity to catch a fish! They don't schedule trips, just to sell a trip and put their anglers behind the 8 ball in actually catching something. (This guy did!)

    Here's what happened.

    The fish are biting wide open for several day's, where every boat out of ever landing is making a good catch of Tuna. You just have to be fishing at dark early enough! (That's the key, "early enough!") The fish aren't biting in a 20 mile area. They are all schooled up big, in one little area! When we arrived on the grounds late, " I counted 7 boats in an 1/4 to 1/2 mile area. Every boat that night but "US" made a good to great catch! The captain of the boat Freedom (same landing) said on 976-tuna, it was the best night bite of the whole season! On our boat because we arrived too late, no one ever got a tuna bite on our trip! I'm sure some of you are thinking that's just fishing! Not every boat catches fish on the same day. I know that!!! But think of it like this. (Kelp paddy fishing) Who is going to catch the most fish off of a kelp paddy? The boat that get's their first, or the boat that hits the paddy for the 5th time that day? That was us!!! The only fish he saw that night on the graph, were small schools or induvial fish swimming fast! Our trip was scheduled, so by it's nature we were going to be the guy's who hit the kelp paddy 5th!

    I know I still haven't convinced some of you about Shon's Evil intent on his scheduling of this trip! Here's the big Winnie, the fish are biting but he's got a holiday coming up. (Thanksgiving) So how does he schedule his trips with that Damn holiday coming up? What doomed our trip, was the trip scheduled before our trip! It was a day and 3/4 scheduled to come back at 12:30 pm the same day as our trip. (it was a turn and burn trip) Where we are waiting for the other passengers to get off the boat. Nobody I mean nobody schedules turn and burn trips for day and a half trips! (That's where his greed comes in!) It made our trip an hour late in leaving the dock! It was already scheduled too late, now it was an hour later. (He really doesn't want to give us a fair shot at these fish) Then so he doesn't have to hear our crapp. He then walks off the boat and turns it over to some other guy to run the trip. I wondered why the other guy never cracked a smile on this trip. He knew he was on a suicided mission right in the beginning! (He crashed the boat right into the Iceberg on schedule!) I'm sure their is still someone out their thinking, it was just bad fishing luck we didn't catch any tuna! No, because his next schedule tuna trip isn't schedule for departure time of 12:30 pm. It's scheduled for 9 am. The exact 4 hours earlier we needed to have left the dock, for us to have a fair shot at catching a tuna! Coincidence I doubt it! His greed of getting that 1 extra trip in just to make a few bucks. Is that really worth getting your reputation thrashed for??? I wouldn't want my reputation thrashed for some chump change!

    The boat did offer us 2 bobby prizes for getting on his boat!

    1. An hour worth of Bonito fishing at Catalina Island for all the 1 pound Bonito a man could want.

    2. A $100 Voucher on any trip for a year on his boat.

    I declined both of them! Give this guy more money?????? These are the kind of guy's you want out of the sportfishing business. Not give them more money so they can stay in it!

    I guarantee Shon never thought he would get thrashed on the Internet for his Evil plan!

    p.s. My poor dumb friend called me up this morning, asking if I wanted to go on his next tuna trip and use our vouchers. (He offered to pay the difference on my ticket) Thank God I told him, I refused to take the voucher. So it gave me an easy out! I don't reward bad behavior!
    Last edited by etucker1959; 11-24-2022 at 07:08 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by etucker1959 View Post
    I know this is going to come off as an angry rant. (Some of you might say, "their is never any guarantees in fishing") I know that!!!! But when a trip is set up with a high probability to fail, someone should be held accountable! Why would someone set up a trip that is doomed to failure, before it ever left the dock! Money of course is the correct answer! Money makes people do a lot of stupid things we all know. Especially to a young business man who hasn't been in the ownership business that long! Practically ever sportfishing trip I ever been on in the last 50 years, was always designed to give the angler (customer) the greatest chance for that angler to catch a fish. (so I was a little naive in giving this guy the benefit of doubt) But this trip I was on, was only designed as a money making trip for the boat owner and was willing to throw his customers under the bus. Then just sweep his ugly trip under the rug, hoping no one would notice it! His mistake was Social Media was out there! Even though some ocean sport fishing sites, protect boat owners from negative comments. Fortunately this one doesn't.

    Let me set the stage for you, so people know what I'm talking about.

    The Pride is a smaller sportfishing boat that runs out of 22nd street landing in San Pedro. It offers Island trip and offshore trip in search of Tuna and Dorado. It use to be named the Orion and ran out of Seaforth landing for over 20 years. It was bought in the last year or so, by a guy named Shon who is now the owner operator of the vessel. (So as President Harry S. Truman would say, "the Buck stops here"!) As with Shon being the owner operator.

    As the 2022 sportfishing season is winding down now, the only 2 species of fish that are still biting are Rockfish and Bluefin Tuna. I have a very good friend of mine, who use to be a solid ocean angler. The problem is, "time caught up with him" and his body can't do the ocean fishing any more! But his mind still thinks he can! So he goes on the sportfishing boats and stays in his bunk for the whole trip, except for maybe 30 minutes of actual fishing time. So in 10 trips this year, he's caught and landing 2 Rockfish in his 10 trips! I told him to give it up and start joining me on my freshwater trips. I'll give him some easy breezy ones, where their not too tiring and he will catch something good! Nope he doesn't want to hear that! So he's gone on 2 tuna trips in the last month up here and gave his 30 minutes of try on both trips. He actually hooked a tuna on 1 of the trips. He fought it for as long as he could and passed the rod to the captain, who then lost it! (he hooked it on too light of line for the size of the fish) Now he tells me, he is going to keep going till he catches one! I then tell him Einstein definition of insanity. Keep doing the same thing over and over again, expecting a different result! (he didn't think that was very funny!)

    So I come up with a plan. If I see the counts look really solid and good weather. I'll invite him to go with a plan in mind. I'll let him lay in his bunk till they start to bite. Then get him up with his 30 minutes of energy. Hopefully he will hook a fish, "Let him fight it for as long as he can!" Then finish it off for him! Send him back to bed for the rest of the trip and hopefully I can catch one and then end his insanity over these tuna! That was my plan and probably would have worked. But I trusted an unknown owner operator named Shon, who was just in it for the money for himself! Hopefully people will figure this guy out and he will be out of the sportfishing game soon! These sport boats come up for sale all the time. So that tells me people go out of this business all the time!

    Here is how we got screwed!

    The Bluefin Tuna in the last week were biting the best they were all season and at a beautiful size! 50-100 pounds with the average fish being 60-80 pounds! (that's a nice size fish) So he had on his schedule a 12:30 pm departure and a 7 pm return the next day. It's all been an all night bite only all week. So fish during the night and early morning and then go home! I like that, "get the job done and then go home!" The 12:30 pm departure time did seemed a little odd to me. But I trusted the Captain that he knew what he was doing! That the boat would get to the spot at a good time and make a catch! Remember I got 50 years of experience, that told me Captains will make every effort to give their clients the best opportunity to catch a fish! They don't schedule trips, just to sell a trip and put their anglers behind the 8 ball in actually catching something. (This guy did!)

    Here's what happened.

    The fish are biting wide open for several day's, where every boat out of ever landing is making a good catch of Tuna. You just have to be fishing at dark early enough! (That's the key, "early enough!") The fish aren't biting in a 20 mile area. They are all schooled up big, in one little area! When we arrived on the grounds late, " I counted 7 boats in an 1/4 to 1/2 mile area. Every boat that night but "US" made a good to great catch! The captain of the boat Freedom (same landing) said on 976-tuna, it was the best night bite of the whole season! On our boat because we arrived too late, no one ever got a tuna bite on our trip! I'm sure some of you are thinking that's just fishing! Not every boat catches fish on the same day. I know that!!! But think of it like this. (Kelp paddy fishing) Who is going to catch the most fish off of a kelp paddy? The boat that get's their first, or the boat that hits the paddy for the 5th time that day? That was us!!! The only fish he saw that night on the graph, were small schools or induvial fish swimming fast! Our trip was scheduled, so by it's nature we were going to be the guy's who hit the kelp paddy 5th!

    I know I still haven't convinced some of you about Shon's Evil intent on his scheduling of this trip! Here's the big Winnie, the fish are biting but he's got a holiday coming up. (Thanksgiving) So how does he schedule his trips with that Damn holiday coming up? What doomed our trip, was the trip scheduled before our trip! It was a day and 3/4 scheduled to come back at 12:30 pm the same day as our trip. (it was a turn and burn trip) Where we are waiting for the other passengers to get off the boat. Nobody I mean nobody schedules turn and burn trips for day and a half trips! (That's where his greed comes in!) It made our trip an hour late in leaving the dock! It was already scheduled too late, now it was an hour later. (He really doesn't want to give us a fair shot at these fish) Then so he doesn't have to hear our crapp. He then walks off the boat and turns it over to some other guy to run the trip. I wondered why the other guy never cracked a smile on this trip. He knew he was on a suicided mission right in the beginning! (He crashed the boat right into the Iceberg on schedule!) I'm sure their is still someone out their thinking, it was just bad fishing luck we didn't catch any tuna! No, because his next schedule tuna trip isn't schedule for departure time of 12:30 pm. It's scheduled for 9 am. The exact 4 hours earlier we needed to have left the dock, for us to have a fair shot at catching a tuna! Coincidence I doubt it! His greed of getting that 1 extra trip in just to make a few bucks. Is that really worth getting your reputation thrashed for??? I wouldn't want my reputation thrashed for some chump change!

    The boat did offer us 2 bobby prizes for getting on his boat!

    1. An hour worth of Bonito fishing at Catalina Island for all the 1 pound Bonito a man could want.

    2. A $100 Voucher on any trip for a year on his boat.

    I declined both of them! Give this guy more money?????? These are the kind of guy's you want out of the sportfishing business. Not give them more money so they can stay in it!

    I guarantee Shon never thought he would get thrashed on the Internet for his Evil plan!

    p.s. My poor dumb friend called me up this morning, asking if I wanted to go on his next tuna trip and use our vouchers. (He offered to pay the difference on my ticket) Thank God I told him, I refused to take the voucher. So it gave me an easy out! I don't reward bad behavior!
    I hate you say but I agree with most of this post. I did a trip on the Pursuit (on a voucher) and it was advertised as a trip to Catalina. We fished the island for a few hours catching MAYBE one pound bonita. The captain got upset with me because I would not keep them. I told him they needed to grow up. He got ticked and walked away from me. Then at the end of the trip the deckhands are walking around trying to get people to take the extra bonita. They just wanted to inflate the fish count. Then they headed off shore chasing a mirage, ie. trying to find bluefin. We wasted most of the day watching fish go down. That was my second and last trip on the Pursuit.

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    the ocean isn't an aquarium

    but there are some lazy captains floating on it

    call the landing and complain or if the boat has a site take it to social media

    if enough people do it you'll get some response

    ran and owned boats run out of hate and misery and dana .p

    if there were complaints big don would be the first to let you know and sound his displeasure

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    Thanks for the post. Been there done that we went on a private charter out of San Diego & spent $12,000.00 for a over night boat ride. A deck hand caught the only Bluefin.

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    Shon and the Pride doesn't have the best reputation. Lots of reports about how crappy his attitude is from this season alone. One of the reasons why he's up in San Pedro and not in San Diego with the other big dogs. The Freedom is the best overnight boat in the LA area and has a captain that wants to catch fish more than the passengers.

    Sounds like you guys signed up for a 1.5 day trip. Considering you're coming back a day early, not sure why you guys didn't leave by 10 like most boats that target the night bite.

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    I seem to remember reading a report around this time period, forgot the boat but they supposedly did well. I would not get discouraged; it's called fishing not catching. https://www.22ndstreet.com/fishcounts.php

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    Quote Originally Posted by Theos View Post
    I seem to remember reading a report around this time period, forgot the boat but they supposedly did well. I would not get discouraged; it's called fishing not catching. https://www.22ndstreet.com/fishcounts.php
    True True True! But it wasn't just fishing, it was a screw your customer trip on purpose kinda trip. My buddy went back on the boat twice and only caught a couple of 20 BFT! What really burns my butt about that trip was the size of the typical tuna caught then. 70 pounds was the average size fish caught that week! I handicapped the weight of the fish then and that's why I went! Every boat for a week anywhere caught those size fish! We were the only ones who didn't, because Captain Shon just put a money making trip out for himself and threw his passengers under the bus! Next time he buy's a car, "I hope the car salesman does the same thing to him!" See how he likes it!!!!!!
    Last edited by etucker1959; 12-13-2022 at 08:16 AM.

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    ran into a friend of mine at the n.b boat parade this past weekend

    he owns and runs boats that operate out of 22 street and san diego

    he has been a captain for almost 50 years from 6packs to long range boats and knows as much about local fishing as anyone i know

    i asked him about shon and he said he was a good guy and knows coastal fishing and feels that if as you say you have been a party boat fisherman for 50 years you should know that there are no guarantees

    and wants you to think about the fact that a landing runs as a PUBLIC service business

    people make it work plain and simple

    so why would you think that they would deliberately place themselves in a negative position

    after talking to him and looking at it from the landings perspective

    it seems equably possible that it was just a case of bad luck

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    Quote Originally Posted by capoisok View Post
    ran into a friend of mine at the n.b boat parade this past weekend

    he owns and runs boats that operate out of 22 street and san diego

    he has been a captain for almost 50 years from 6packs to long range boats and knows as much about local fishing as anyone i know

    i asked him about shon and he said he was a good guy and knows coastal fishing and feels that if as you say you have been a party boat fisherman for 50 years you should know that there are no guarantees

    and wants you to think about the fact that a landing runs as a PUBLIC service business

    people make it work plain and simple

    so why would you think that they would deliberately place themselves in a negative position

    after talking to him and looking at it from the landings perspective

    it seems equably possible that it was just a case of bad luck
    I don't think it was bad Luck! It was because of Thanksgiving being on a Thursday and his trip before ours would not be getting back to the landing until 12:30 pm on Tuesday. Which the proper play because it was a night bite, was to schedule his next trip leaving at 9:00 am on Wed. (which his next scheduled trip after Thanksgiving did leave at 9:00 am) That would put his boat in proper position right at the beginning of the night bite. (so he knew the 1:30 pm departure time was pure Helmet) But that would mean if he did that, you would be fishing the night before Thanksgiving and returning on Thanksgiving Day. I'm sure he felt nobody would take that deal! He doesn't know real fishermen does he??????Lol So instead he did what he did! Which was for the boat to leave at 1:30 pm Tues and wouldn't get to the Tuna grounds till almost 11:00 pm! Which is way too late because all the Tuna were on one tiny size postage stamp spot! All the boats were 1/2 mile apart or less! So we were trying not to get sloppy seconds but disgusting thirds!!!! The trip never should have been scheduled the way it was, where you are behind the 8 Ball before the boat even left the dock! He just scheduled the trip for the money and couldn't care less, that we would catch nothing which we did. That's was the worst trip he had in a month????? He hasn't had a bad one since either?????? Why because all his other trips were schedule where the boat would be in the right place at the right time!

    Let me really put on my Lawyers hat to prove my point some more!

    Right now for the last 3 weeks the Tuna bite as been a morning thing. Then in the afternoon they all go Rockfishing! They then head back to the Tuna grounds at night, but usually they only been catching a handful of tuna at best. Most of the time they don't catch any more tuna after the morning bite! So if Shon scheduled another Tuna trip that left at 6:00 am. That would put him at the Tuna grounds at 3:00 pm. Which is way past the Hot morning bite!!!! The predictable outcome on a trip like that, is the trip would have a bad Tuna count!!! Which is what happened to us, because of the Holiday and Shon's greed!!!!!!!!!
    Last edited by etucker1959; 12-20-2022 at 08:54 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by capoisok View Post
    ran into a friend of mine at the n.b boat parade this past weekend

    he owns and runs boats that operate out of 22 street and san diego

    he has been a captain for almost 50 years from 6packs to long range boats and knows as much about local fishing as anyone i know

    i asked him about shon and he said he was a good guy and knows coastal fishing and feels that if as you say you have been a party boat fisherman for 50 years you should know that there are no guarantees

    and wants you to think about the fact that a landing runs as a PUBLIC service business

    people make it work plain and simple

    so why would you think that they would deliberately place themselves in a negative position

    after talking to him and looking at it from the landings perspective

    it seems equably possible that it was just a case of bad luck
    On bad days you perfect your technique, hopefully you have multiple rods/tackle to fish light or heavy. You go into training mode, or at least I do.
    Last edited by Theos; 12-21-2022 at 08:54 PM.

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