Ah, "Perris in the spring." Coming soon to a lake near me.
Ah, "Perris in the spring." Coming soon to a lake near me.
Ha. It actually look me a moment to wonder why you guys start talking about Paris. It didn't immediately click to me that I made the spelling mistake. Sorry about that. I'll deleted my post to prevent further embarrassment. Please disregard my earlier post since it may still shows in other's reply.Originally Posted by Natural Lefty
This is the problem with FNN. People say stupid things to strangers they don't know and often offend them badly!!!!!!!!! A typical response then (from the people who got offended) is they quit posting on FNN!!!!!!! I can't be offended and neither can you know who? We are the only 2 members if we get offended, we just try to make the perpetrator look as foolish as possible! I noticed yesterday their was 532 people viewing FNN at 1 time. Yet only 2 of them were members and the rest were just Lurkers! You know why their is only 2 members logged in and 530 Lurkers?????? Because many of the Lurkers are afraid to post and be ridiculed by other members!
If you only want to read my fish reports and comments from only a handful of people. Write the first dumb thing that comes to your mind after you read other peoples comments. I guarantee if you do that, FNN won't get very much larger in it's participation level!!!!!!
Last edited by etucker1959; 03-01-2021 at 06:43 AM.
etucker1959, well done. Seems like civility has lost its place lately, but I hope it will make a comeback.
To answer your questions on your deleted post...CDFW did and do announce the week a lake is scheduled to be stocked. Day of and pounds stocked isn't going to happen. There were 25-30 signs posted around the lake advertising there were tagged trout with $10 reward tags in them and all of the information on what to do if a tagged fish was caught. The survey clerks also handed out 3x5 cards to anglers with everything needed to return the tags except a stamp and an envelope to mail them in.
You can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink.
I'm sorry if I offended you egster.
Last edited by FISHISH; 03-01-2021 at 10:56 PM.
Kwin,
Correct me if I'm wrong, but if i'm reading what you wrote right, did the DFW base their decision to not stock trout at Perris on a 3 year data set whose last set was gathered in 2011? Almost a decade ago? Is the DFW really basing the decision to no longer stock trout at Perris in 2021 on numbers that were last crunched when we killed Bin Laden in 2011? We've had like 2 administrations since then. I must be missing something here.
Moving on from that, I realize that stocking X number of trout versus Y number of trout being caught is not a difficult concept to grasp. What IS a difficult concept to grasp is these decisions being based on:
1. Angler surveys
2. Angler surveys last done in 2011
If these angler surveys are an important tool in what DFW is basing decision making on, methinks I see a bit of an issue.
In your opinion, do these angler surveys truly capture a good cross section of the bigger picture of what is being caught and what species are being targeted in our waters? If not, isn't this a futile task whose data sets are pretty irrelevant unless you are capturing an accurate cross section of what is actually happening in a lake? You know, the law of large numbers?
Throughout the year, what percentage of anglers respond (truthfully) to these surveys? 5%? 10%? Would you say it's even less considering California's budget shortfalls the past few years, resulting in less people staffed in government agencies like the DFW to get these surveys done? In essence, if there are 100,000 distinct anglers visits to a specific lake a year, how many of those are answering surveys? Are the surveys conducted year around, or only during certain times of the year? I still know a few wild trout spots that I've visited for the past decade that still have my surveys from 2012 stuffed in the metal bin.
I think its important for anglers to understand the data that the DFW takes into consideration and the fact that that the DFW uses angler surveys as a major tool to dictate enforcement and perhaps fisheries enhancement is very eye opening.
Of course, if these numbers don't accurately represent the real figures.....
again, see the above
Ok, so....to sum it up:
Our local trout forgot to wear their mask and social distance and caught the Covid and died, and now we have limited amounts of catchable sized rainbow trout to go around.
A study conducted 10 years ago said people don't fish for trout at Lake Perris, thus they are not getting any allotment in 2021.
Gotcha.
My original question, though, is what we're doing using studies from 10 years ago.
And I get it, you're not Google or Amazon. Sometimes agencies like the DFW do not have unlimited budgets and they work with what they're given, thus it is impossible to have up to date metrics and studies on every body of water.
The other question was:
In your opinion, do these angler surveys truly capture a good cross section of the bigger picture of what is being caught and what species are being targeted in our waters? In other words, are these exit polls accurate?
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(The new habitat structure is exciting, though. Hopefully it spreads out the anglers, and reduces the bass boat armada that gather for their months long convention on top of the tire reef.)
"Paris in the spring" is just something funny that I like to say about Perris Lake when springtime fishing comes around. I don't think anybody was trying to embarrass anyone.
The tagged trout that I caught must have been one of those in the survey, Kwin, although it was not one of the $10 reward ones. I was happy to return the tag, though.
Dark Shadow, I am still wondering where this new habitat structure is. There is so much brush in the lake now anyway, naturally, that it's easy to get snagged and difficult to know if the snag was put there for fish habitat, or just some of the brush or trees that were covered up when the water level was raised. I do think all of this new habitat is helping the fish population, in any case.
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