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Thread: (Speakers corner) What will Trump run on in 2020?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CHUCKY View Post
    Yes it is. Do some research. Say I am working for a company with a group health plan. If say 1 or2 people get really sick or have some serious problems within the health plan the rates will go up for EVERYONE in the group plan. So why should I have to pay more for that then? Before Obamacare or ACA you could shop around and find some really great policies till the government stuck their nose in it. Healthcare should be like car insurance. No accidents= low rate. If your a dummy= high rates and good luck.
    CHUCKY CHUCKY CHUCKY, I can't ever get really mad at you or Steelhead because you give us the flip side of an argument. (then we can take it apart and show others the correct answer) lol Let me start by sharing my own personal experience. I had excellent Health all my life till I was about 55 years old. I owned my own business, so I didn't have an company Health Plan. I carried only catastrophic insurance on myself. (asset protection) Then along comes Obama Care and to follow the law, I bought Health Insurance I could actually use. Then it was 1 dumb Health thing after another. Instead of not seeing a doctor for 30 years, I was seeing one 4 or 5 times a year now. Guess why CHUCKY? Because that's when the body starts to break down! (that's very typical for most people around 55 years old)

    The idea behind Obama Care is, the younger more healthier people pay into insurance to help pay for the older sicker ones. Here's the rub where most people miss it and you proved it perfectly! Everyone eventually "GET"S OLD" and needs Health insurance to cover their ailing bodies. What are you saying CHUCKY, you never plan to get old and have a failing body like everyone else!

    Oh please CHUCKY, give the world your formula that makes you young and healthy all your life!

    I'm being sarcastic because their is no such formula! This is how Health Insurance works, everybody young, middle age and old all pool their money together. The younger ones who are healthier help subside the old that are not so healthy. But here's that big point again! YOU CHUCKY, "WILL ONE DAY GET OLD TOO!!!" Then the younger healthier people will help pay for your failing Health!

    Your comparison of driving insurance and Health insurance is like comparing apples to oranges! A bad driving record for most part is because of bad driving habits. You speed and take risky maneuvers on the Freeway's! (you see that kind of driving every day on the Freeway's) But a body that is failing for the most part, just happens! (no one chooses to have bad health, it just happens to people with no fault of their own)

    I hope this is a little clearer to everyone! I can tell by the way you talk CHUCKY, you are probably under 40 and in good health. But CHUCKY that's not going to last forever!
    Last edited by etucker1959; 02-17-2019 at 08:07 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by etucker1959 View Post
    CHUCKY CHUCKY CHUCKY, I can't ever get really mad at you or Steelhead because you give us the flip side of an argument. (then we can take it apart and show others the correct answer) lol Let me start by sharing my own personal experience. I had excellent Health all my life till I was about 55 years old. I owned my own business, so I didn't have an company Health Plan. I carried only catastrophic insurance on myself. (asset protection) Then along comes Obama Care and to follow the law, I bought Health Insurance I could actually use. Then it was 1 dumb Health thing after another. Instead of not seeing a doctor for 30 years, I was seeing one 4 or 5 times a year now. Guess why CHUCKY? Because that's when the body starts to break down! (that's very typical for most people around 55 years old)

    The idea behind Obama Care is, the younger more healthier people pay into insurance to help pay for the older sicker ones. Here's the rub where most people miss it and you proved it perfectly! Everyone eventually "GET"S OLD" and needs Health insurance to cover their ailing bodies. What are you saying CHUCKY, you never plan to get old and have a failing body like everyone else!

    Oh please CHUCKY, give the world your formula that makes you young and healthy all your life!

    I'm being sarcastic because their is no such formula! This is how Health Insurance works, everybody young, middle age and old all pool their money together. The younger ones who are healthier help subside the old that are not so healthy. But here's that big point again! YOU CHUCKY, "WILL ONE DAY GET OLD TOO!!!" Then the younger healthier people will help pay for your failing Health!

    Your comparison of driving insurance and Health insurance is like comparing apples to oranges! A bad driving record for most part is because of bad driving habits. You speed and take risky maneuvers on the Freeway's! (you see that kind of driving every day on the Freeway's) But a body that is failing for the most part, just happens! (no one chooses to have bad health, it just happens to people with no fault of their own)

    I hope this is a little clearer to everyone! I can tell by the way you talk CHUCKY, you are probably under 40 and in good health. But CHUCKY that's not going to last forever!
    Duh! The problem with youíre Obamacare is it includes people that canít pay or wonít pay or are to lazy to pay. Thatís why your rates are so high now. So everybody has to suffer that takes care of themselves and WORKS ? To provide for everyone else? Sounds socialist to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Natural Lefty View Post
    Chucky, you won't learn what the Democratic Party's platform is by watching Fox Noise.
    Can you do push-ups ? Seriously Can you or dark shadow and tucker combined do 10 of them

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    Quote Originally Posted by CHUCKY View Post
    Duh! The problem with you’re Obamacare is it includes people that can’t pay or won’t pay or are to lazy to pay. That’s why your rates are so high now. So everybody has to suffer that takes care of themselves and WORKS ? To provide for everyone else? Sounds socialist to me.
    I think we beat the Health Care thing to death, so let's table that for now!

    Let's now talk about this socialist stuff a little bit. You are a total victim of Fox News half truths! When they use the term Socialism they make you think it's all bad bad bad!!!

    In reality the United States already has a combination of Capitalism and Socialism working together! (I'll bet you Fox News didn't tell you that!) I'll name several very popular Socialist programs the good ole USA is already doing.

    1. Social Security

    2. Medicare

    3. The public school system

    4. The police force

    5. The Fire department

    When ever you retire CHUCKY, are you going to refuse to accept your Social Security check?

    Now CHUCKY, when you turn 65 and your employer kicks you off their Health Insurance program are you going to turn down Medicare?

    I'm sure you have children CHUCKY, do you have them in private school or did you send them to public school?

    If you're a victim of a crime do you call the police or try to solve the crime yourself?

    How about if your house catches on fire, are you going to call the Fire department or fight the fire yourself? In some Conservative states they the home owner has an option to join in the local fire community and they put it on your property tax as an additional fee. If you don't join, they charge you less. Some cheap Ideological Fox News viewers don't join because it's a socialist program. Do you know what happens if your house catches on fire and you didn't join the local fire community. The fire department comes out and watches your house burn to the ground. They are only there to save lives and make sure your house fire, doesn't catch someone else's house on fire who joined the local fire community. Talk about tough love!

    Now CHUCKY, am I right and you didn't know you already are participating in Socialist programs? (I only named a few, but there is many more)

    This is what you get when you only watch Fox News! You can thank me later for telling you the truth! lol
    Last edited by etucker1959; 02-17-2019 at 10:05 PM.

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    So in order to lean more towards capitalism how about everyone pay an equal percentage of taxes regardless of income.
    Since according to you we all benefit from these benefits how about everyone pays an equal percentage of their income to these programs? I don't think your liberal brain trust would like that very much. Medicare for aka single payer would also drastically change our entire country, how many tens of millions of people tied to the healthcare industry would be impacted? Now how about personal accountability as an individual? You guys love to cite statistics, trends and research (i.e. climate change) but with national health care every one is on a level playing field. Do you miss out on your liver transplant because the guy that drinks 7 days a week was a week in front of you? Why does he get it when he didn't live a healthy life or how about the guy that ate cheeseburgers 7 days a week and weighs 600 lbs, does he get a first crack at surgery? Not too different from someone making $15/hr wanting higher income earners to pay a higher tax bracket so that everyone can be on the same level playing field and be able to afford the same thing right? You're conflating public service with personal paid for service. People should get what they pay for. Should we nationalize car insurance too?? After all I'm getting s@#$# coverage but you're getting way better protection but hey maybe you paid more than me. How about private schools, if someone pays $10K a year for their child and they're getting better instructions than public should we make that available to everyone? How would you go about doing that?

    Quote Originally Posted by etucker1959 View Post
    I think we beat the Health Care thing to death, so let's table that for now!

    Let's now talk about this socialist stuff a little bit. You are a total victim of Fox News half truths! When they use the term Socialism they make you think it's all bad bad bad!!!

    In reality the United States already has a combination of Capitalism and Socialism working together! (I'll bet you Fox News didn't tell you that!) I'll name several very popular Socialist programs the good ole USA is already doing.

    1. Social Security

    2. Medicare

    3. The public school system

    4. The police force

    5. The Fire department

    When ever you retire CHUCKY, are you going to refuse to accept your Social Security check?

    Now CHUCKY, when you turn 65 and your employer kicks you off their Health Insurance program are you going to turn down Medicare?

    I'm sure you have children CHUCKY, do you have them in private school or did you send them to public school?

    If you're a victim of a crime do you call the police or try to solve the crime yourself?

    How about if your house catches on fire, are you going to call the Fire department or fight the fire yourself? In some Conservative states they the home owner has an option to join in the local fire community and they put it on your property tax as an additional fee. If you don't join, they charge you less. Some cheap Ideological Fox News viewers don't join because it's a socialist program. Do you know what happens if your house catches on fire and you didn't join the local fire community. The fire department comes out and watches your house burn to the ground. They are only there to save lives and make sure your house fire, doesn't catch someone else's house on fire who joined the local fire community. Talk about tough love!

    Now CHUCKY, am I right and you didn't know you already are participating in Socialist programs? (I only named a few, but there is many more)

    This is what you get when you only watch Fox News! You can thank me later for telling you the truth! lol
    Last edited by steelhead; 02-17-2019 at 11:46 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by steelhead View Post
    So in order to lean more towards capitalism how about everyone pay an equal percentage of taxes regardless of income.
    Since according to you we all benefit from these benefits how about everyone pays an equal percentage of their income to these programs? I don't think your liberal brain trust would like that very much. Medicare for aka single payer would also drastically change our entire country, how many tens of millions of people tied to the healthcare industry would be impacted? Now how about personal accountability as an individual? You guys love to cite statistics, trends and research (i.e. climate change) but with national health care every one is on a level playing field. Do you miss out on your liver transplant because the guy that drinks 7 days a week was a week in front of you? Why does he get it when he didn't live a healthy life or how about the guy that ate cheeseburgers 7 days a week and weighs 600 lbs, does he get a first crack at surgery? Not too different from someone making $15/hr wanting higher income earners to pay a higher tax bracket so that everyone can be on the same level playing field and be able to afford the same thing right? You're conflating public service with personal paid for service. People should get what they pay for. Should we nationalize car insurance too?? After all I'm getting s@#$# coverage but you're getting way better protection but hey maybe you paid more than me. How about private schools, if someone pays $10K a year for their child and they're getting better instructions than public should we make that available to everyone? How would you go about doing that?
    You know Steelhead you gave me 3 or 4 points to make the counterpoints in your last response. (But I'm only going to take them 1 at a time)

    Let's start with your first line.

    You said to lean more toward Capitalism. Let's stop right there!


    Why does it have to be Capitalism only? Did God come down from heaven and hand Adam Smith (founder of Capitalism) in front of thousands of witnesses, a system of economic values? No he didn't! So why be stuck on Capitalism only? (unless your an ideologue)

    I'm a pragmatist, I believe in doing what works Best!!!

    I believe the economy works best in combination of Capitalism, Socialism and in some degree Mercantilism! (The President is using Mercantilism in his tariffs)

    So you or CHUCKY tell me in your own words, why Capitalism only? CHUCKY is going, did I miss that part on Fox News? lol
    Last edited by etucker1959; 02-18-2019 at 07:40 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by steelhead View Post
    So in order to lean more towards capitalism how about everyone pay an equal percentage of taxes regardless of income.
    Since according to you we all benefit from these benefits how about everyone pays an equal percentage of their income to these programs? I don't think your liberal brain trust would like that very much. Medicare for aka single payer would also drastically change our entire country, how many tens of millions of people tied to the healthcare industry would be impacted? Now how about personal accountability as an individual? You guys love to cite statistics, trends and research (i.e. climate change) but with national health care every one is on a level playing field. Do you miss out on your liver transplant because the guy that drinks 7 days a week was a week in front of you? Why does he get it when he didn't live a healthy life or how about the guy that ate cheeseburgers 7 days a week and weighs 600 lbs, does he get a first crack at surgery? Not too different from someone making $15/hr wanting higher income earners to pay a higher tax bracket so that everyone can be on the same level playing field and be able to afford the same thing right? You're conflating public service with personal paid for service. People should get what they pay for. Should we nationalize car insurance too?? After all I'm getting s@#$# coverage but you're getting way better protection but hey maybe you paid more than me. How about private schools, if someone pays $10K a year for their child and they're getting better instructions than public should we make that available to everyone? How would you go about doing that?
    Next point!

    You said, how about everyone pay an equal percentage of taxes regardless of income? (once again you sound like an ideologue)

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    Quote Originally Posted by steelhead View Post
    So in order to lean more towards capitalism how about everyone pay an equal percentage of taxes regardless of income.
    Since according to you we all benefit from these benefits how about everyone pays an equal percentage of their income to these programs? I don't think your liberal brain trust would like that very much. Medicare for aka single payer would also drastically change our entire country, how many tens of millions of people tied to the healthcare industry would be impacted? Now how about personal accountability as an individual? You guys love to cite statistics, trends and research (i.e. climate change) but with national health care every one is on a level playing field. Do you miss out on your liver transplant because the guy that drinks 7 days a week was a week in front of you? Why does he get it when he didn't live a healthy life or how about the guy that ate cheeseburgers 7 days a week and weighs 600 lbs, does he get a first crack at surgery? Not too different from someone making $15/hr wanting higher income earners to pay a higher tax bracket so that everyone can be on the same level playing field and be able to afford the same thing right? You're conflating public service with personal paid for service. People should get what they pay for. Should we nationalize car insurance too?? After all I'm getting s@#$# coverage but you're getting way better protection but hey maybe you paid more than me. How about private schools, if someone pays $10K a year for their child and they're getting better instructions than public should we make that available to everyone? How would you go about doing that?
    Next point!

    You said, how about everyone pay an equal percentage of taxes regardless of income? (once again you sound like an ideologue)

    Let's go back to the beginning of mankind when they first started to form groups. (hunter gathers) They all worked together and shared equally to help each other survive. In one of my favorite movies Dance with Wolves, the Indian tribe who the hero befriended was about to be attacked by another tribe. Not for ideology reasons but because the resources weren't big enough for both tribes to survive. That's kinda the same thing we face today in our country. We have plenty of resources but more and more of it is going to 1% of the population.

    Instead of doing something radical like turning to Communism, they came up with a great equalizer in taxation. The graduated Income Tax based on the ability to pay! (it's totally practical if you think about it) The people at the bottom of the income scale pay very little in tax's. Why do they get away with that? Because they are barely surviving and it would be mean and heartless, to take the little bit of money they have, only because you think that's fair!

    On the other hand those rich dudes who have more money then they know what to do with, get taxed hard! Seems fair to me!!!

    Those 1% dudes that have all the money can't hire a private army to protect their cash! (they are only 1% of the population and we can rough them up any time we want) But they do spend their money on buying politicians, and funding Fox News to confuse you the average Joe, so they can keep more of their cash with dumb ideas. (like a Flat tax that everyone pay's equally, regardless of how much money you make)
    Last edited by etucker1959; 02-18-2019 at 06:41 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by steelhead View Post
    So in order to lean more towards capitalism how about everyone pay an equal percentage of taxes regardless of income.
    Since according to you we all benefit from these benefits how about everyone pays an equal percentage of their income to these programs? I don't think your liberal brain trust would like that very much. Medicare for aka single payer would also drastically change our entire country, how many tens of millions of people tied to the healthcare industry would be impacted? Now how about personal accountability as an individual? You guys love to cite statistics, trends and research (i.e. climate change) but with national health care every one is on a level playing field. Do you miss out on your liver transplant because the guy that drinks 7 days a week was a week in front of you? Why does he get it when he didn't live a healthy life or how about the guy that ate cheeseburgers 7 days a week and weighs 600 lbs, does he get a first crack at surgery? Not too different from someone making $15/hr wanting higher income earners to pay a higher tax bracket so that everyone can be on the same level playing field and be able to afford the same thing right? You're conflating public service with personal paid for service. People should get what they pay for. Should we nationalize car insurance too?? After all I'm getting s@#$# coverage but you're getting way better protection but hey maybe you paid more than me. How about private schools, if someone pays $10K a year for their child and they're getting better instructions than public should we make that available to everyone? How would you go about doing that?
    Just for information sake and not trying to get a heated debate on these topics. (but let's kick them around anyway)

    Car insurance.

    There isn't that much of a difference going around. Either you just have PLP or Full coverage. (not much middle ground there) If you have a good driving record, there is not that much of a difference!

    Private Schools.

    There is a few elite schools like where Schlitz Kavanaugh went! (but that's the exception in the private school arena)

    Most of the time it's private Christian schools that people send their kids too. Here's the catch that most parents don't realize when they send their kids there. Yes they get to hear about Jesus everyday, but their education isn't any better then what the other children receive in the public school system. Hear is the big rub they will never tell them about private school teachers. In the private schools the teachers are less educated and qualified and way under paid as compared to the Public schools. So unless their an ideologue for private schools, the best teacher's always choose to work in the public schools system. (for no other reason then better pay)
    Last edited by etucker1959; 02-18-2019 at 08:07 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by steelhead View Post
    So in order to lean more towards capitalism how about everyone pay an equal percentage of taxes regardless of income.
    Since according to you we all benefit from these benefits how about everyone pays an equal percentage of their income to these programs? I don't think your liberal brain trust would like that very much. Medicare for aka single payer would also drastically change our entire country, how many tens of millions of people tied to the healthcare industry would be impacted? Now how about personal accountability as an individual? You guys love to cite statistics, trends and research (i.e. climate change) but with national health care every one is on a level playing field. Do you miss out on your liver transplant because the guy that drinks 7 days a week was a week in front of you? Why does he get it when he didn't live a healthy life or how about the guy that ate cheeseburgers 7 days a week and weighs 600 lbs, does he get a first crack at surgery? Not too different from someone making $15/hr wanting higher income earners to pay a higher tax bracket so that everyone can be on the same level playing field and be able to afford the same thing right? You're conflating public service with personal paid for service. People should get what they pay for. Should we nationalize car insurance too?? After all I'm getting s@#$# coverage but you're getting way better protection but hey maybe you paid more than me. How about private schools, if someone pays $10K a year for their child and they're getting better instructions than public should we make that available to everyone? How would you go about doing that?
    Let me agree with you on 1 point! You are right, a single payer system would effect hundreds of millions of people and dollars and we are not sure what kind of effect that would have on us.

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