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Thread: Could Trump become President for Life?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CHUCKY View Post
    Why should the government have any say on health insurance? Is it a right to have it ? Or should everybody have to pay for the people that cannot afford it? Also why should the people that can afford insurance have to pay for people that can’t. Sounds like socialism to me buddy.
    Here is the argument in a Nut shell about should the government be in the Health insurance business? Is Health Care a right or a privilege? Republicans believe it is a privilege bestowed to workers who have jobs and their employers should pay for it. (anyone else who doesn't have an employer to pay for Health insurance is just out of luck!) Now the rest of the Industrialized world (that means everybody else on the planet that's not a developing nation) believes in having some form of Universal Health Care to all it's citizens!! The United States stands alone in the belief that its a privilege only for workers!!!

    I'll put it in a fishing scenario to help illustrate the point. The rest of the world is fishing for trout in Sierra cove at Irvine lake when the water is turned on. (they been biting real good there for along time) The United States comes along and say's, "we are going to fish by ourselves for trout in the Santiago Flats." At the end of the day, who do you think had the better stringers of fish and at which location? (Health Care Idea's) If I didn't know anything about the lake and I was going fishing the next day. I would take my boat to Sierra cove. Why might you ask? Because the collective consciousness of all those other people have probably already come up with the best idea! (Universal Health Care for all it's citizens) That's why I think the government (who is the only one who could do it anyway) should and needs to be in the Health Care business!
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    Quote Originally Posted by etucker1959 View Post
    Here is the argument in a Nut shell. Is Health Care a right or a privilege? Republicans believe it is a privilege bestowed to workers who have jobs and their employers should pay for it. Now the rest of the Industrialized world (that means everybody else on the planet that's not a developing nation) has some form of Universal coverage of Health Care to all it's citizens!!!! The United States stands alone in the belief its a privilege only for workers!!!

    I'll put it in a fishing scenario. The rest of the world is fishing for trout in Sierra cove at Irvine lake when the water is turned on. (they been biting good there for along time) The United States comes along and say's, "we are going to fish by ourselves in the Santiago Flats." At the end of the day, who do you think had the better stringers of fish and at which location? (Health Care Idea) If I didn't know anything about the lake and I was going fishing the next day. I would take my boat to Sierra cove. Why might you ask? Because the collective consciousness of all those other people have probably already come up with the best Idea! Universal Health Care for all it's citizens!
    Healthcare was fine before the government stuck there nose in. Youíre scenarios make no sense. Maybe for you they do. But not me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by steelhead View Post
    Wow Tucker now I know why you fall head over heels for fake news media. Again,generalizing based on a FEW people going on the record does not make FACT. Kind of like when media found people to go on record after the TAX cut to say that their taxes went up and fake news had a hissy fit and confronted GOP lawmakers to ask " will everyone in the middle class get a tax cut" question. Of course not but by and large yes. On the matter of Obamacare, you must have gotten the good old government subsidy because I know people who ended up paying 3 times more than before and getting LESS coverage while there were people that ended up paying less into the system but getting more because of the deductible. Voila! Depress the middle class through wealth distribution and through misinformation turn those trying to move up the econmic ladder against them. Through your continual citing of this legislation I would say Mission accomplished by the last administration. Of course the fake media was pushing the narrative that the health care cost was incrementally going up year over year anyways....but did it go up 100% OR more??? I don't think so

    already there.
    You know you are correct, when someone cherry picks on a small percent of an issue and try's to prove their point with only that small example, that's not a way to prove you are correct. I normally try not to do that! But can you guess who really does do that??? The Republican Congress and Fox News!! Trump doesn't do that, he just makes up a bunch of crap and lies his face off for that particular moment.

    Remember when the Republican Congressmen kept using the same worst examples of Obama Care. We must Repeal and Replace Obama Care before it implodes!!! They kept using that Arizona example of prices going up, when it fact most of Obama Care was working. So you got me for using that small example of those southern fishermen who lives has not improved under President Trump.

    But it you want to argue the Dave Chappell example, about most of the tax cut going to Rich people and corporations. (87% of all the money) That's an argument where we are not going to Cherry pick small examples but the whole pie!
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    Quote Originally Posted by CHUCKY View Post
    Healthcare was fine before the government stuck there nose in. You’re scenarios make no sense. Maybe for you they do. But not me.
    Health Care is fine for the people that have it. But what about the 50 million people that didn't have any Health insurance? Are we suppose just to ignore them????
    Last edited by etucker1959; Yesterday at 07:17 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by etucker1959 View Post
    Health Care is fine for the people that have it. But what about the 50 million people that didn't have any Health insurance? Are we suppose just to ignore them????
    Bummer for them. Should I have to pay more for you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CHUCKY View Post
    Bummer for them. Should I have to pay more for you?
    If you have 4 people in a wagon and 1 person pulling it youíre not gonna get very far.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CHUCKY View Post
    If you have 4 people in a wagon and 1 person pulling it you’re not gonna get very far.
    Did you watch the commentary after the Dave Chappell clip DS put up? (You should) He described what you just put up as an example. The Rich man's trap and you just fell for it again! It goes like this, the Rich people get the Middle class people all upset at the lower class people. While your complaining about the Illegals taking your jobs (doesn't really happen) or people getting crumbs like food stamps. You don't notice all the Rich people sneaking out the door with all the money!!! (the recent tax cuts are a perfect example) In 10 years everyone who makes under $75,000 a year will see their tax's go up! Yet the Rich peoples and corporations tax cut's are permanent. That's why they say 83% of the tax cut (2 trillion dollars) will only benefit the Rich. (they only gave you 17%) So while your complaining about people less fortunate then you, you didn't notice the Rich people stealing all the money!!!!
    Last edited by etucker1959; Yesterday at 09:18 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by etucker1959 View Post
    Did you watch the commentary after the Dave Chappell clip DS put up? (You should) He described what you just put up as an example. The Rich man's trap and you just fell for it again! It goes like this, the Rich people get the Middle class people all upset at the lower class people. While your complaining about the Illegals taking your jobs (doesn't really happen) or people getting crumbs like food stamps. You don't notice all the Rich people sneaking out the door with all the money!!! (the recent tax cuts are a perfect example) In 10 years everyone who makes under $75,000 a year will see their tax's go up! Yet the Rich peoples and corporations tax cut's are permanent. That's why they say 83% of the tax cut (2 trillion dollars) will only benefit the Rich. (they only gave you 17%) So while your complaining about people less fortunate then you, you didn't notice the Rich people stealing all the money!!!!
    Buddy, I came from the bottom lower class. I worked hard to get to where Iím at now. Everybody wants a free handout and not have to work for it. Thatís the problem with this country is entitlements. People feel entitled and they are not. People need to realize you have to work hard if you want something. I did.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CHUCKY View Post
    Buddy, I came from the bottom lower class. I worked hard to get to where I’m at now. Everybody wants a free handout and not have to work for it. That’s the problem with this country is entitlements. People feel entitled and they are not. People need to realize you have to work hard if you want something. I did.
    No one is arguing everyone needs to contribute to our society. However, there are problems on both the top and on the bottom of our economic food chain. We don't need to rehash about the poor people on the bottom, but what you have is a blind eye to the people on top! Smaller and smaller amounts of people are taking more and more of the country's wealth. Their rigging the system where you keep having to work harder and harder just to survive. While they just keep getting richer and doing less! Think about Baseball salary's 40 years ago. A great player got a 2 million dollar contract spread out over 5 years. Now some players make up to 30 million a season. The Rich are doing the same thing!!! Where is your outrage towards them?? Sean Hannity is the mouth piece for Donald Trump on Fox News. (he loves Trumps tax policy's) Do you know he makes 30 million a year? Does he really need to get paid that much? Where is your outrage there! Instead you're only upset at the people on the bottom and ignoring these people on top stealing all of the wealth of the nation!
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