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Thread: Could Trump become President for Life?

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    Quote Originally Posted by etucker1959 View Post
    Do you see why people like AOC want to tax the heck out of the rich? Because they don't pay their fair share of tax's! You Fox News and the Republicans in Congress give them a pass on tax's because they, what was that again? Oh yea create jobs! (doesn't seem that fair to me, because I owned my own small business for 20 years and created jobs all the time! I still paid tax's on the profit of the business every year!
    Obviously it didn’t work out for you. Bummer. Real estate sucks. That’s probably why you rely on Obamacare.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CHUCKY View Post
    Obviously it didn’t work out for you. Bummer. Real estate sucks. That’s probably why you rely on Obamacare.
    No the business was great! (very successful!) I had the worst thing happen to me on a successful business that caused it to end. I lost my lease and I could not find a suitable site to move too! (I did try but finding a facility that would accommodate 120 children is no easy task!)

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    I didn't get to watch the Micheal Cohen hearing live today. (I was chasing Lighting trout at DVL) So I just watched the snip it's on Cable News and I think 1 point escaped most people. If you read my conspiracy theory (this thread) that Donald Trump may not leave office, even if he loses the 2020 Presidential election. Michael Cohen just verified that exact sentiment!!! He said, "If Donald Trump losses the 2020 election, there might not be a peaceful transition of power!" Which means in plain English, "He may refuse to leave the office of the Presidency!" (Re read the first portion of this thread, on how he could get away with it!)

    Micheal Cohen is another knowledgeable source on how Donald Trump thinks, to collaborate my conspiracy theory of Trump becoming President for life! I would like to add some further information now becoming available since I wrote this piece. (forget the Russian collusion for now) Donald Trump is allegedly guilty of so many other crimes, is best defensive might be to stay in office till his death! For no sitting President can be charged and convicted while he is in the oval office!

    Starting to make a little more sense now isn't it??? Especially since he is testing the water with his Emergency power declarations on the Border Wall! (if he can get away with that, why not declare the 2020 Presidential election Null & Void because of illegal voting, if he loses the election!)

    I hope it never comes to this, but my theory is not only plausible but might now be very practical for Donald Trump! For once he's out of office, he's very susceptible to prosecution on many many charges!
    Last edited by etucker1959; 02-28-2019 at 09:41 AM.

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    He might not want to leave the office, but in order to stay, he would need a whole lot of help from people in powerful positions, and I don't think he will get that help. There is no precedent for a president of the United States having that kind of support, and he certainly isn't the one to have it.

    About the job creation, I hate to rain on your parade, Eric, but basically, consumers create jobs, not business owners. The meme about "job creators" is another right wing myth. For example, if I were to start a business selling haggis (the Scottish food specialty made from assorted sheep organs), and hired a bunch of employees, nobody would want to buy it and I would go out of business quickly. Demand for a product basically creates jobs, and employers are sensitive to that demand, but they don't create it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Natural Lefty View Post
    He might not want to leave the office, but in order to stay, he would need a whole lot of help from people in powerful positions, and I don't think he will get that help. There is no precedent for a president of the United States having that kind of support, and he certainly isn't the one to have it.
    I dunno Lefty. Those Repubs are doubling down and circling the wagon and protecting him at all costs. So yes, he is receiving a whole lotta help from powerful positions.

    Then again, he might go the Nixon route where his supporters put their eggs in one basket and suddenly got this:


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    Quote Originally Posted by Natural Lefty View Post
    He might not want to leave the office, but in order to stay, he would need a whole lot of help from people in powerful positions, and I don't think he will get that help. There is no precedent for a president of the United States having that kind of support, and he certainly isn't the one to have it.

    About the job creation, I hate to rain on your parade, Eric, but basically, consumers create jobs, not business owners. The meme about "job creators" is another right wing myth. For example, if I were to start a business selling haggis (the Scottish food specialty made from assorted sheep organs), and hired a bunch of employees, nobody would want to buy it and I would go out of business quickly. Demand for a product basically creates jobs, and employers are sensitive to that demand, but they don't create it.
    Lefty, I see you have an natural weakness. You are a Fair and Honest person and those Republican Congressmen are not! What Mitch McConnell has done is totally unprecedented! Mitch McConnell has in effect become a employee of President Trump! The Legislative branch is a co equal branch of government. Yet Mitch has shown he won't do certain things if the President won't approve of the matter!

    Remember Merrick Garland? It was totally unprecedented what Mitch did to him! Those Supreme Court seats are so important to Mitch, that do you think they could get 2/3 of the Senate to vote for conviction in an Impeachment trial and give the Presidency to a Democrat??? I don't think they would!! Mitch is "ALL IN" on those Supreme Court seats, so why would he quit now???
    Last edited by etucker1959; 02-28-2019 at 10:26 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Natural Lefty View Post
    He might not want to leave the office, but in order to stay, he would need a whole lot of help from people in powerful positions, and I don't think he will get that help. There is no precedent for a president of the United States having that kind of support, and he certainly isn't the one to have it.

    About the job creation, I hate to rain on your parade, Eric, but basically, consumers create jobs, not business owners. The meme about "job creators" is another right wing myth. For example, if I were to start a business selling haggis (the Scottish food specialty made from assorted sheep organs), and hired a bunch of employees, nobody would want to buy it and I would go out of business quickly. Demand for a product basically creates jobs, and employers are sensitive to that demand, but they don't create it.
    Your preaching to the choir on Job creation with me. Try telling that to a Trump supporter?? According to them Trump, "has created more jobs then any other President!" You and I know the truth, but they don't! lol

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    LOL I suspected you were really a demand sider, Eric, but you mentioned something about creating jobs earlier.

    The issue with regard to Trump trying to stay in power, is quite different from that of him having support from Republicans in the current Congress or Republican voters. It would mean Trump having to have the military, and probably the FBI and CIA on his side, which they are not, and furthermore, it would mean risking a civil war and Republicans thus risking their lives. They would be willing to take a political stand for Trump, which probably costs them nothing given that they come from red districts or states basically, but I really doubt they would be willing to risk their lives in order to defy the Constitution and history just to help Trump hold onto power. Add to this, that taking that step would be a huge political liability which would likely make them lose their next elections, and I would say the chances of that happening are very slim. Remember when Republicans were predicting that Obama would declare martial law to postpone the 2016 election? Of course there was no serious thought of ever doing that, nor of Bush doing that in 2008, etc.

    Here is a little bonus article, a 10 for the price of 1 job. The prediction that Obama would refuse to leave the office of the presidency is number 10 on the list (the last one). All of these predictions of course failed to materialize. http://www.rightwingwatch.org/post/1...ver-came-true/

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    Quote Originally Posted by etucker1959 View Post
    At first it would sound absurd to the common person. If you look at that possibility more closely it's not as crazy as it sounds. After driving home from another disastrous fishing trip. (not even a bite) I threw this question at my friend Phil. He in-effect was arguing the con of that argument and I was arguing the possibility of that happening. At the end of our discussion, he came up with nothing that said it couldn't happening.

    The first question comes up was, has it ever crossed Trump's mind of becoming President for life??? The answer is Yes!!! Just last month when the President of China declared himself President for life. Trump said, "maybe we should try that!!" If your first argument is, "no politician would have the O dasity to do something that's never been done before." I want you to think back to what Mitch McConnell did with Obama's last Supreme court nominee. (refused to bring him up for a vote) They stole a seat that was rightfully Obama's pick.

    Here's how he could do it. In 2020 Trump could come up with any excuse to cancel the 2020 Presidential election. Safety is always a good excuse but the reason is irrelevant!! It's what you try to do about it, is what's important.

    Take it to the Supreme Court and claim his actions are Unconstitutional. Ok let's say you do that and it comes back 9 to nothing that Trumps action was Unconstitutional. Then what??? The Supreme court has no enforcement arm to enforce it's ruling. Trump say's, "I'm not listening to them" I'm staying!!! (Fake Judges)

    My friend Phil argued the army would force him out. Really the President is Commander and Chief of all the military. Do you really think some General would have enough troops loyal to him to take on the rest of the army. Nope not going to happen!!!

    The people would take to the streets and force him out. Just like they did in Ten Ann Men square in China. That's not going to work. People can protest all they want, but as long as Trump has the army backing him up. He's not going any where.

    There is only 2 way's to get rid of a physco President and see if either of those 2 things would work.

    The first way is the 25th Amendment. This is where the majority of Trumps hand picked cabinet votes that he's incapacitated to do the job of President. Sorry folks that's not going to happen!!!

    The second and last way is through Impeachment in the House and conviction in the Senate. I could see them vote and get an Impeachment majority in the House of Representatives. (especially if the Democrats take back the House) But it means nothing, if you don't get an conviction in the Senate. It takes an 2/3 vote of guilty in the Senate to get an conviction.

    Let's do the Math. For our example we will go with a 50/50 split of Democrats and Republicans in the Senate. (it's actually 49-51 Republicans) You need 2/3 of the Senators to vote for conviction. All 50 Democrats will vote for an conviction but will 16 Republicans vote to throw Trump out???? (a few will but not 16)












    I'll bet I know what you are thinking???? etucker must be smoking the good stuff to think they wouldn't convict!!!

    Let's think about this for a minute from the Republican side. Yes it's going against their principles not to convict. But what are they giving up if they convict. A possible Democratic as President. Which means no more Conservative judges on the Supreme Court. They will never be able to repeal Obama Care. The 2nd amendment might come under attack. Abortion will stay the law of the land. The tax cuts they just passed might be thrown out the window. The Military budget might go down. Plus Trump is so dumb and lazy, he will sign anything we stick under his nose to sign into law!!! So it would be pretty hard for 16 Republican Senators to vote for conviction!!!

    Do you see my logic????

    Let's just hope Trump doesn't have the stones to try this, but if he does???? I think he could get away with it!!!!!
    Russian collusion for sure. We must investigate the further.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Natural Lefty View Post
    Here is a little bonus article, a 10 for the price of 1 job. The prediction that Obama would refuse to leave the office of the presidency is number 10 on the list (the last one). All of these william hill sign up offer of course failed to materialize. http://www.rightwingwatch.org/post/1...ver-came-true/
    Thanks for the article!
    Last edited by emmelin; 03-29-2019 at 12:13 AM.

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