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    Resort disputes police timeline of Las Vegas shooting
    By Nicole Chavez, CNN
    Updated 11:03 PM ET, Thu October 12, 2017

    (CNN) Las Vegas gunman Stephen Paddock opened fire at a crowd at a music festival just after shooting a Mandalay Bay Resort and Casino security guard -- not six minutes later, the resort owner said Thursday, disputing a police timeline.

    This week, authorities reversed the timeline, saying Paddock shot Jesus Campos at 9:59 p.m. on October 1, injuring him, before the gunman opened fire on the crowd six minutes later. Initially, police said Campos had approached Paddock's room as the shooting was underway, diverting the gunman's attention.

    Paddock then shot Campos through the door and quit firing at concertgoers at the Route 91 Harvest Festival from his hotel room on the 32nd floor, the timeline said.

    But MGM Resorts International, which also owns the concert venue, said the time the security guard was reported shot is wrong.

    "The 9:59 p.m. PDT time was derived from a Mandalay Bay report manually created after the fact without the benefit of information we now have. We are now confident that the time stated in this report is not accurate," MGM said.

    "We know that shots were being fired at the festival lot at the same time as, or within 40 seconds after, the time Jesus Campos first reported that shots were fired over the radio," MGM said.

    Police were with armed Mandalay Bay security officers in the building when Campos first reported shots were fired over the radio, the statement said. The officers and the armed security personnel immediately responded to the 32nd floor, MGM said.

    Las Vegas Metro Police Department spokesperson Laura Meltzer said the department would not comment on the MGM statement.

    http://www.cnn.com/2017/10/12/us/las...tes/index.html

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    You are one sorry sack of @#%T Quagga! Have a nice weekend and try to go out and get some fresh air!

    Quote Originally Posted by Lady Quagga View Post
    Save your disgust. No one here is trying to one-up anyone here. (Except maybe steelplatehead, but he doesn't count. )

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    Quote Originally Posted by steelplatehead View Post
    You are one sorry sack of @#%T Quagga! Have a nice weekend and try to go out and get some fresh air!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lady Quagga View Post
    Resort disputes police timeline of Las Vegas shooting
    By Nicole Chavez, CNN
    Updated 11:03 PM ET, Thu October 12, 2017

    (CNN) Las Vegas gunman Stephen Paddock opened fire at a crowd at a music festival just after shooting a Mandalay Bay Resort and Casino security guard -- not six minutes later, the resort owner said Thursday, disputing a police timeline....

    http://www.cnn.com/2017/10/12/us/las...tes/index.html
    You know what I find interesting?

    That with ALL the cameras and recording devices that contain time stamps in Las Vegas, why the timeline has been so difficult to pin down.

    They probably know exactly what this dude ate for lunch, but all authorities involved with the investigation can't agree on timelines?

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    Then you agree with me about regulating who can own guns, and even regarding modifying the Constitution or laws to prevent gun crimes, which are probably my main concerns, Lady Quagga.

    However, you argue that nuts can still create havoc without guns. I find this a false equivalence. If you were asked to choose sides between a group of cavemen with clubs, versus modern guns, I think we know which side you would choose. I have never heard of a man with a knife killing 58 people. He would soon be overpowered. The use of guns kills far more people than would otherwise be possible. There are various factors contributing to the high homicide rate in the U.S., of course. I would argue that the widespread availability of guns is one of those factors, along with cultural attitudes or traditions, poverty, stress, psychopathology, wealth inequality, and even military culture spilling over into civilian life. (Look how many veterans commit suicide tragically, or are accused of murder here in the U.S., for example.)

    My point about the idea of citizens overthrowing a tyrannical government with guns is that it is really a far-fetched fantasy, actually both the tyrannical government part, and the way that we would undo it. Drones and nukes were just used as convenient shorthand for the military arsenal. They have and are developing weapons and protective devices that we probably have never heard of. If needed to stop angry citizens, they could make our ears or skin hurt, temporarily blind us, use remote control or "invisible" tanks, guns that can accurately shoot a person from 1/3 of a mile away, etc. Here is an article from 2011 about the new weapons the U.S. military has developed. I am sure that they have even more now. http://www.businessinsider.com/11-in...rms-program-12

    My comments about gun arsenals and gun culture were directed toward people such as Stephen Paddock. I had no idea that you were a gun collector, but knowing that now, helps explain some of your attitudes. Gun collections are fine, but my point about them is that aside from displaying them, they seem to have little to no use for hunting or self-protection. Perhaps they are fired during target practice or for demonstrations, but otherwise, they are most likely to be used against other human beings. Apparently, Stephen Paddock bought something like 47 powerful guns in the last year of his life.
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    I want to add that this site has come a long ways in the past few years, to come to a point where we can have a rational discussion about gun violence and gun control, for instance. Even most conservatives and gun enthusiast liberals tend to agree on the basics of gun control. I don't know who Steelhead means is trying to one up whom in this thread, though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Natural Lefty View Post
    I want to add that this site has come a long ways in the past few years, to come to a point where we can have a rational discussion about gun violence and gun control, for instance.
    I'm sure the absence of the Confederate Flag Waving Folks who now use Facebook as their medium to spew their $h!t miiiiight have something to do with that.

    That, or the fact that we have people on GenDisc now that can use commas correctly, thus preventing the mouth breathers from throwing their hat in the ring.

    The fact that DockRat can't post pics anymore because Photobucket doesn't allow third party postings?

    The fact that the village meth head isn't around anymore to respond to his own posts?

    Take your pick.
    Last edited by DarkShadow; 10-13-2017 at 05:23 PM.

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    I think the Confederate Flag waving folks moved back to what used to be the confederacy in a futile attempt to revive it. LOL

    I am sure they are on Facebook somewhere, but nowhere that I have been anywhere near.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Natural Lefty View Post
    I think the Confederate Flag waving folks moved back to what used to be the confederacy in a futile attempt to revive it. LOL

    I am sure they are on Facebook somewhere, but nowhere that I have been anywhere near.
    The Confederate Flag waving folks are still here checking on FNN on a daily basis. (one of them did have enough sense to take his Confederate Flag avatar down) However, they are too afraid to speak!!! If you shot your mouth off on a daily basis how terrible pResident Obama and all his supporters were. Could they now even remotely try to defend what Trump does on a weekly basis??? They can't and they know it, so they just keep quiet. Some might say, "that is justice for their insolence!!" I feel it just shows what they were really made of all along!!!
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    Yes, I think they still check this site, and some even still make comments.

    Which one is the village meth head, Mr. Shadow? And what was the deal with this Hooked character (anyone)? I clearly missed a lot in the years I was dealing with sick parents and selling their house.

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