Should the Electoral College be abandoned?

[steelhead]

Not so fast fellas, I have got a sick feeling this thing isn't over with the recount. I hope i'm wrong but I would not put it past them to have been working behind the scenes the past 3 weeks to put in place a way to change the results of those swing states. God help us if that is the case it will be pandemonium and chaos and marshall law will be declared and Obama will pull an FDR and extend his reign.

[hookdfisherman]

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Not so fast fellas, I have got a sick feeling this thing isn't over with the recount. I hope i'm wrong but I would not put it past them to have been working behind the scenes the past 3 weeks to put in place a way to change the results of those swing states. God help us if that is the case it will be pandemonium and chaos and marshall law will be declared and Obama will pull an FDR and extend his reign.

what!?


seriously?!




see...


the FIX IS IN!


I knew it all along!


what a bunch o' crooks !





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[Lady Quagga]

You lost the argument some time ago....... But to put it bluntly you really lost it when you said this.....

"Nonsense. Hamilton was most certainly a statist (Federalist), favoring a strong federal government, particularly in matters of finance and commerce. He was at great political odds with another Founding Father, Thomas Jefferson, when it came to matters such as the national bank, foreign policy, and states-vs-centralist power".

To put it "bluntly", you've provided nothing to disprove the statement above, only offered your ignorant contrarianism.

Note: Definition
Statism - Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statism
In political science, statism is the belief that the state should control either economic or social ... to ensure the success of a socialist revolution. It is usually used in reference to Marxist-Leninist socialists who champion a single-party state.

Note: You misquoted the Wikipedia article, truncating & combining the general definition of Statism:

In political science, statism is the belief that the state should control either economic or social policy, or both, to some degree.

With the definition of State Socialism:

Politically, state socialism is often used to designate any socialist political ideology or movement that advocates for the use of state power for the construction of socialism, or to the belief that the state must be appropriated and used to ensure the success of a socialist revolution. It is usually used in reference to Marxist-Leninist socialists who champion a single-party state.

So why the obfuscation? Were you being deliberately deceitful? Or is it merely a continuation of your blind ignorance?

Plus the links you sent were from profoundly socialists in nature. Marxist-Leninist = end result communism.... (obviously exclude the .gov link on Hamilton).

You don't have to be rock scientist to figure that out.... You may want to review all the links you sent again....but not sure if you actually read them...sounds like you have profound commie tendency....

I would say those are anti-republic beliefs.....

Of course you would see anything that runs counter to your opinion as "socialist", "Marxist-Leninist", or "communist". Since you clearly lack even a basic understanding of the various and varying opinions of the Founding Fathers, you have little to go on but your own limited political view. The very idea that someone could support the Electoral College (as I do) for reasons totally different than yours is anathema to your narrow-minded, sophomoric political philosophy.

[DEVOREFLYER]

Let’s look at that popular vote more closely. As of today, according to The New York Times, Hillary Clinton has 62,391,335 votes from all states. She has 1,969,920 votes from the five counties that make up New York City, and 1,893,770 votes from Los Angeles County, California. Donald Trump has 61,125,956 votes from all states, including 461,174 votes from the five counties that make up New York City, and 620,285 votes from L.A. County.

In other words, Hillary beat Trump 3,863,690 to 1,081,459 in New York and L.A.; he beat her by 60,044,497 to 58,527,645 in the rest of the country.

So Hillary’s margin in the popular vote rests entirely on her margin in two large cities — neither of which was contested by the Trump campaign.

And that's why we have the Electoral College.

[Lady Quagga]

And that's why we have the Electoral College.

Actually Dev, that is inaccurate and not wholly true. But if it satisfies the political justifications of certain people, oh well.

[etucker1959]

Let’s look at that popular vote more closely. As of today, according to The New York Times, Hillary Clinton has 62,391,335 votes from all states. She has 1,969,920 votes from the five counties that make up New York City, and 1,893,770 votes from Los Angeles County, California. Donald Trump has 61,125,956 votes from all states, including 461,174 votes from the five counties that make up New York City, and 620,285 votes from L.A. County.

In other words, Hillary beat Trump 3,863,690 to 1,081,459 in New York and L.A.; he beat her by 60,044,497 to 58,527,645 in the rest of the country.

So Hillary’s margin in the popular vote rests entirely on her margin in two large cities — neither of which was contested by the Trump campaign.

And that's why we have the Electoral College.

So you say almost 5 million votes in the 2 largest city's/county's should be ignored!!!! Not to mention their the 2 biggest city's for a reason. So ignore the brightest peoples opinion in the country in favor of the least educated least informed people our country has to offer!!!!! (once again you have proven what great logic you have!!!)

[HawgZWylde]

So you say almost 5 million votes in the 2 largest city's/county's should be ignored!!!! Not to mention their the 2 biggest city's for a reason. So ignore the brightest peoples opinion in the country in favor of the least educated least informed people our country has to offer!!!!! (once again you have proven what great logic you have!!!)

Least educated least informed? Tucky, that right there is elitist, bigoted and flat out false. So you think just because they don't live in two of the biggest concrete jungle cesspools in the world their the least educated and least informed? Dude I can't believe you actually wrote that. Reality Tucker, those cities have far more of the types of people you just described, vastly so but that's not the point, are you saying those types of people do not deserve a say in our government? If so, then why is your party bussing them to the polls? Why is your current leader telling uneducated third world illegal immigrants that its ok to vote? And no, two cities should not rule over the rest of the nation.
Thank the founders they envisioned totalitarian type thinkers would attempt to rule by the masses hence the electoral college, the first amendment followed by the second amendment...

[etucker1959]

Least educated least informed? Tucky, that right there is elitist, bigoted and flat out false. So you think just because they don't live in two of the biggest concrete jungle cesspools in the world their the least educated and least informed? Dude I can't believe you actually wrote that. Reality Tucker, those cities have far more of the types of people you just described, vastly so but that's not the point, are you saying those types of people do not deserve a say in our government? If so, then why is your party bussing them to the polls? Why is your current leader telling uneducated third world illegal immigrants that its ok to vote? And no, two cities should not rule over the rest of the nation.
Thank the founders they envisioned totalitarian type thinkers would attempt to rule by the masses hence the electoral college, the first amendment followed by the second amendment...

Least informed Yep!!!! Where do I start???? I'll pick just one of the "Lies" these least informed bought into this past campaign season. That Mrs. Clinton favored the right of a women to abort a healthy baby when their is no danger to the mother up until the 9th month of the pregnancy. I talked to my female Doctor about that one. First of all that's not what Mrs. Clinton believed and secondly no doctor worth a Shite would every do that unless the mother's life was at stake and they would certainly try to save the baby also!!! But those poor misinformed SOB'S believed that wasn't the case!!!

I did a lot of traveling in my day WAY before I ever got political. (Killing lions with a .22) lol I was voting straight Republican back then to show I wasn't imersed by birth to be a Lib. I was amazed how many narrow minded people there are outside of California. That's where I coined the phrase unless you were from CA or the East coast you were likely a Hick!!!!! (Including my own relatives) Please do not even make me go into the race card discussion. These less informed people will believe anything Donald Trump tells them. (how scary is that????) Facts mean nothing to them!!! Donald now say's he won the Presidency by a landslide yet he lost the Popular vote by 2.5 million votes. As I said, these less informed people are the ones who elected our President. How can you respect a person who's sole information source comes from Brother Russ Limbaugh!!! Here in California nobody even talks about what Russ has to say, they all have graduated to bretbart!!! lol

[hookdfisherman]

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Least informed Yep!!!! Where do I start???? I'll pick just one of the "Lies" these least informed bought into this past campaign season. That Mrs. Clinton favored the right of a women to abort a healthy baby when their is no danger to the mother up until the 9th month of the pregnancy. I talked to my female Doctor about that one. First of all that's not what Mrs. Clinton believed and secondly no doctor worth a Shite would every do that unless the mother's life was at stake and they would certainly try to save the baby also!!! But those poor misinformed SOB'S believed that wasn't the case!!! I did a lot of traveling in my day WAY before I ever got political. (I was voting straight Republican back then also) I was amazed how narrow minded so many people where away from California. That's where I coined the phrase unless you were from CA or the East coast you were likely a Hick!!!!! (Including my own relatives) Do not even make me play the race card. I said enough but I stand by my believes!!! I don't respect people who's sole information comes from Brother Russ Limbaugh!!!

what a pinhead.


you coined a phrase?

lol






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[DEVOREFLYER]

Oh Daddy Tucky can you make us some hot coco, tuck us in and tell us the Mountain Lion story again.....we love to hear fairy tails.......