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    Quote Originally Posted by DEVOREFLYER View Post
    Slave history that they don't teach in school.

    They came as slaves; vast human cargo transported on tall British ships bound for the Americas. They were shipped by the hundreds of thousands and included men, women, and even the youngest of children.

    Whenever they rebelled or even disobeyed an order, they were punished in the harshest ways. Slave owners would hang their human property by their hands and set their hands or feet on fire as one form of punishment. They were burned alive and had their heads placed on pikes in the marketplace as a warning to other captives.

    We don’t really need to go through all of the gory details, do we? We know all too well the atrocities of the African slave trade.

    But, are we talking about African slavery? King James II and Charles I also led a continued effort to enslave the Irish. Britain’s famed Oliver Cromwell furthered this practice of dehumanizing one’s next door neighbor.

    The Irish slave trade began when James II sold 30,000 Irish prisoners as slaves to the New World. His Proclamation of 1625 required Irish political prisoners be sent overseas and sold to English settlers in the West Indies. By the mid 1600s, the Irish were the main slaves sold to Antigua and Montserrat. At that time, 70% of the total population of Montserrat were Irish slaves.

    Ireland quickly became the biggest source of human livestock for English merchants. The majority of the early slaves to the New World were actually white.

    From 1641 to 1652, over 500,000 Irish were killed by the English and another 300,000 were sold as slaves. Ireland’s population fell from about 1,500,000 to 600,000 in one single decade. Families were ripped apart as the British did not allow Irish dads to take their wives and children with them across the Atlantic. This led to a helpless population of homeless women and children. Britain’s solution was to auction them off as well.

    During the 1650s, over 100,000 Irish children between the ages of 10 and 14 were taken from their parents and sold as slaves in the West Indies, Virginia and New England. In this decade, 52,000 Irish (mostly women and children) were sold to Barbados and Virginia. Another 30,000 Irish men and women were also transported and sold to the highest bidder. In 1656, Cromwell ordered that 2000 Irish children be taken to Jamaica and sold as slaves to English settlers.

    Many people today will avoid calling the Irish slaves what they truly were: Slaves. They’ll come up with terms like “Indentured Servants” to describe what occurred to the Irish. However, in most cases from the 17th and 18th centuries, Irish slaves were nothing more than human cattle.

    As an example, the African slave trade was just beginning during this same period. It is well recorded that African slaves, not tainted with the stain of the hated Catholic theology and more expensive to purchase, were often treated far better than their Irish counterparts.

    African slaves were very expensive during the late 1600s (50 Sterling). Irish slaves came cheap (no more than 5 Sterling). If a planter whipped or branded or beat an Irish slave to death, it was never a crime. A death was a monetary setback, but far cheaper than killing a more expensive African. The English masters quickly began breeding the Irish women for both their own personal pleasure and for greater profit. Children of slaves were themselves slaves, which increased the size of the master’s free workforce. Even if an Irish woman somehow obtained her freedom, her kids would remain slaves of her master. Thus, Irish moms, even with this new found emancipation, would seldom abandon their kids and would remain in servitude.

    In time, the English thought of a better way to use these women (in many cases, girls as young as 12) to increase their market share: The settlers began to breed Irish women and girls with African men to produce slaves with a distinct complexion. These new “mulatto” slaves brought a higher price than Irish livestock and, likewise, enabled the settlers to save money rather than purchase new African slaves. This practice of interbreeding Irish females with African men went on for several decades and was so widespread that, in 1681, legislation was passed “forbidding the practice of mating Irish slave women to African slave men for the purpose of producing slaves for sale.” In short, it was stopped only because it interfered with the profits of a large slave transport company.

    England continued to ship tens of thousands of Irish slaves for more than a century. Records state that, after the 1798 Irish Rebellion, thousands of Irish slaves were sold to both America and Australia. There were horrible abuses of both African and Irish captives. One British ship even dumped 1,302 slaves into the Atlantic Ocean so that the crew would have plenty of food to eat.

    There is little question that the Irish experienced the horrors of slavery as much (if not more in the 17th Century) as the Africans did. There is, also, very little question that those brown, tanned faces you witness in your travels to the West Indies are very likely a combination of African and Irish ancestry. In 1839, Britain finally decided on it’s own to end it’s participation in Satan’s highway to hell and stopped transporting slaves. While their decision did not stop pirates from doing what they desired, the new law slowly concluded THIS chapter of nightmarish Irish misery.

    But, if anyone, black or white, believes that slavery was only an African experience, then they’ve got it completely wrong.

    Irish slavery is a subject worth remembering, not erasing from our memories.

    But, where are our public (and PRIVATE) schools???? Where are the history books? Why is it so seldom discussed?

    Do the memories of hundreds of thousands of Irish victims merit more than a mention from an unknown writer?

    Or is their story to be one that their English pirates intended: To (unlike the African book) have the Irish story utterly and completely disappear as if it never happened.

    None of the Irish victims ever made it back to their homeland to describe their ordeal. These are the lost slaves; the ones that time and biased history books conveniently forgot.

    You can buy the book and read the whole history.
    A story that is alive and well among the Hispanic community and ungst a many women around the world...

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    Quote Originally Posted by HawgZWylde View Post
    Ok arsehole, lets see who the freaking pussy is, you meet me at DVL, you pick time and day, and we'll see who the real pussy is, a**clown. And have your bootlickee DS show up with you too...
    Yea...maybe you can beat some racism into me you a$$wipe. Grow up. I left Jr. High over 40 years ago.
    I'm just saying looks like a duck, walks like duck, quacks like a duck. You have every right to post your racist crap on here just as we have every right to call you out on being just that. Got to love America...or oh I'm sorry "Mericah!"

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    While on one hand I do have to agree with the "Dark Side".....on second thought "The White Side", that it has spun a bit out of control. That being said, just remember this.
    Women couldn't even vote until the 20th century when it was finally forced, black people couldn't eat at the same restaurants or ride the same transportation as whites as recently as the 60's, THATS OUR GENERATION! I witnessed horrible crap my entire childhood first hand, so pleeeeease shut the hell up. You will never in a billion years win this argument, because you are just plain ignorant, wrong and too stupid to see it.
    So for that flag to finally be removed, I have absolutely no issue with. I grew up in the South and fully understand the "true underlying" meaning of it, not some spin you try to put on it.
    I don't speak to my own father and one of my brothers anymore because of their extreme right wing tea bagger racists views. They can't let go long enough to have an intelligent conversation and I had to make a decision to remove the negative hate from my life. My wife is half black and half Lebanese and I have a fully black adopted daughter and I grew up in black areas of Houston as a white boy. I've seen plenty first hand to know exactly where I'm coming from without you 'wannabe' rednecks trying to convince me otherwise. Do all civilized people a favor and please hurry and move back to "Good ole Dixie" with the rest of the idiots as soon as possible. You know you don't like compassionate people that care about the planet we live on anyways.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brent View Post
    Yea...maybe you can beat some racism into me you a$$wipe. Grow up. I left Jr. High over 40 years ago.
    I'm just saying looks like a duck, walks like duck, quacks like a duck. You have every right to post your racist crap on here just as we have every right to call you out on being just that. Got to love America...or oh I'm sorry "Mericah!"
    Nothing I posted here is racist. I challenge you to prove it. Your ramblings and rhetoric prove you haven't a clue to what you are talking about. I say you are yet another anonymous keyboard coward. You want to falsely call me names and ridicule me with false accusations be man enough to stand by your words and face your accusee face to face. I left jr. high just about the same time as you so we are even. I stand by what I sat and am not afraid of being non-PC. Again, prove what you accuse me of or STFU coward...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brent View Post
    While on one hand I do have to agree with the "Dark Side".....on second thought "The White Side", that it has spun a bit out of control. That being said, just remember this.
    Women couldn't even vote until the 20th century when it was finally forced, black people couldn't eat at the same restaurants or ride the same transportation as whites as recently as the 60's, THATS OUR GENERATION! I witnessed horrible crap my entire childhood first hand, so pleeeeease shut the hell up. You will never in a billion years win this argument, because you are just plain ignorant, wrong and too stupid to see it.
    So for that flag to finally be removed, I have absolutely no issue with. I grew up in the South and fully understand the "true underlying" meaning of it, not some spin you try to put on it.
    I don't speak to my own father and one of my brothers anymore because of their extreme right wing tea bagger racists views. They can't let go long enough to have an intelligent conversation and I had to make a decision to remove the negative hate from my life. My wife is half black and half Lebanese and I have a fully black adopted daughter and I grew up in black areas of Houston as a white boy. I've seen plenty first hand to know exactly where I'm coming from without you 'wannabe' rednecks trying to convince me otherwise. Do all civilized people a favor and please hurry and move back to "Good ole Dixie" with the rest of the idiots as soon as possible. You know you don't like compassionate people that care about the planet we live on anyways.
    Indeed, to ideologically blind to see the truth...

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    My 2 cents,
    I agree with the removal of the flag, its not an active recognized flag. It is not the governments or any government entities place to have that flag flying.
    It is however the right of an individual to do so as he or she chooses. It has nothing to do with race. The flag being depicted as a symbol of slavery makes me sick. I'm tired of everything always being about race. That is the reason we still have a problem.

    The more people complain about racism and the more laws passed to force businesses and individuals to cater to minorities, (aka reverse-racism) the longer it will take to get rid of it.

    This should be the only law regarding race:
    "No person, or group of people shall receive or be denied special privileges by government or private business based on ethnicity"

    Get rid of the ethnic "quota" in the workplace!

    Remember this line "let them be judged by the content of their character and not by the color of their skin" time for uncle Sam to put that into practice.

    Racism is becoming an excuse for peoples lack of character... sad to see.

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    Quote Originally Posted by twin22s View Post
    My 2 cents,
    I agree with the removal of the flag, its not an active recognized flag. It is not the governments or any government entities place to have that flag flying.
    It is however the right of an individual to do so as he or she chooses. It has nothing to do with race. The flag being depicted as a symbol of slavery makes me sick. I'm tired of everything always being about race. That is the reason we still have a problem.

    The more people complain about racism and the more laws passed to force businesses and individuals to cater to minorities, (aka reverse-racism) the longer it will take to get rid of it.

    This should be the only law regarding race:
    "No person, or group of people shall receive or be denied special privileges by government or private business based on ethnicity"

    Get rid of the ethnic "quota" in the workplace!

    Remember this line "let them be judged by the content of their character and not by the color of their skin" time for uncle Sam to put that into practice.

    Racism is becoming an excuse for peoples lack of character... sad to see.
    In your opinion, what is the difference between ethnicity and race, and how should this difference be applied, using your example, in the job force?

    If Uncle Sam should put into practice judging someone by their character and not their skin, should this practice also be applied, by let's say, the police?

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    Quote Originally Posted by noleash View Post
    I'm glad that video came with subtitles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DarkShadow View Post
    In your opinion, what is the difference between ethnicity and race, and how should this difference be applied, using your example, in the job force?

    If Uncle Sam should put into practice judging someone by their character and not their skin, should this practice also be applied, by let's say, the police?
    Wordplay...

    The entire hiring process for an LEO is a psych-eval. Police officers are humans like everybody else, except they have the balls to put themselves in life threatening situations on a regular basis, unlike most others. Most all LEO's join with the best of intentions but some crack under all the pressure which includes from those who have a PC hammer above their heads at all times. Hate cops much Miguel?

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