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    I have fished for Bass up north in dirty water and on 14-17 lb test Mono for years.Now in So-Cal fishing clear water lakes and have switched to flouro.6,8,10 lb
    I have always used a clinch knot and have had no problems with the heavy Mono,that said i`m finding that this knot is failing me on the flouro more than I like.
    Right now using Pline floroclear coated line and was needing a better knot.Also what is the difference between flouro coated and fluorocarbon line? Is this line worse for tying knots or do I just need to go to a new knot? What is Your go to flouro knot?? Thanx !!

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    i use the palomar knot on everything. have had no issues with it with mono or floro.

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    The knot you are using causes a lot of heat through friction when it clinches. Flouro and heat do not mix. Use a know like a Palomar that causes no heat and you will have much better results

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    Quote Originally Posted by dpaulus9 View Post
    i use the palomar knot on everything. have had no issues with it with mono or floro.
    Got it! Thanx for your reply

    Quote Originally Posted by parkermann2 View Post
    The knot you are using causes a lot of heat through friction when it clinches. Flouro and heat do not mix. Use a know like a Palomar that causes no heat and you will have much better results
    Ok that makes sense because that's what it looks like (melted a little) when it fails.Palomar FTW!!!!
    Thanx,51 yrs young and still learning new things!!Awesome Thanx again!!!!

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    Fluoroclear is a co-polymer line that is coated with fluorocarbon. Pure fluorocarbon is just that, 100% fluorocarbon. A good quality 100% fluorocarbon line has much better sensitivity, far less stretch, is thinner, is much more supple and it sinks as opposed to mono and other co-polymers that float. 100% fluorocarbon is also nearly invisible under water.

    When tying a knot with 100% fluorocarbon you MUST wet the line before clinching it tight, as another poster said the friction created clinching it creates heat and heat is it's worst enemy because it can make it brittle and weakens the line. By wetting the line either using water or your spit, it reduces the amount of friction thereby reducing heat created while it tightens and slides into a good tight clinch. Always use a good quality 100% fluorocarbon line. Cheap fluoro has really bad knot strength and will break regardless of the knot you use or whether you wet it or not. Quality fluoro also resists line nicks which also can and will cause breakage.

    As for the knot itself, basically it's a confidence thing. I have used the improved double clinch knot since I was a kid and I have no problems with the knot breaking. I do use the Palomar knot on drop shots and some reaction baits. If you wet the line and clinch it slowly, you should not have a problem with knot breakage if you use quality line. You should also retie your line often throughout the day, especially if you feel any nicks in the line.

    Personally, I use Seaguar InvizX 100% fluoro for most applications and I use Seaguar AbrazX for throwing jigs. The abrazX is 100% fluoro with a coating that helps prevent nicks in the line while dragging it through rocks and other hard, sharp cover. And I never go below 10lb line because it can be heartbreaking when you have a huge pig break off at the boat when the fish decides it's having none of it and does a quick, hard 180 beeline for the depths. I know a guy who just last week on the same day lost an 8 and 9 lber using 6lb line on a drop shot and the fish did just that, drag be damned. But I also am fishing for a different fish and rarely catch dinks because of the baits I use. If you fish where there is heavy cover like weeds and wood, you want to up-size your line accordingly for power to pull the fish out. I don't like braid and will use heavy fluoro instead going up to 15-25lb for places like the Delta. I learned the hard way up there last year when I broke off a huge pig using 12lb fluoro. Here is what I use for various techniques;

    Jigs & T-rigs-12-15lbs AbrazX 100% fluorocarbon
    Drop shot-10lb InvizX 100% fluorocarbon
    Topwater-10-20lb mono depending on the bait size and type(walking, frog, etc.)
    Small to medium sized swimbaits-12-15lb InvizX 100% fluorocarbon
    Wakebaits and subsurface reaction baits-10-12lb InvizX 100% fluoro
    Bladebaits-12-15lb InvizX fluoro
    Jerkbaits-10-12lb InvizX fluoro
    Crankbaits-10-12lb InvizX fluoro unless I'm using a crank like the 10xd where I'll use 15lb InvizX

    I know a lot of guys will use lighter line than I do in some applications but I learned the hard way and I don't want to chance losing the fish of a lifetime because I used too light of line thinking I'm going to catch more fish. I'd rather catch less smaller fish and catch more keepers and up. Hope this helps you out...

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    Quote Originally Posted by HawgZWylde View Post
    Fluoroclear is a co-polymer line that is coated with fluorocarbon. Pure fluorocarbon is just that, 100% fluorocarbon. A good quality 100% fluorocarbon line has much better sensitivity, far less stretch, is thinner, is much more supple and it sinks as opposed to mono and other co-polymers that float. 100% fluorocarbon is also nearly invisible under water.

    When tying a knot with 100% fluorocarbon you MUST wet the line before clinching it tight, as another poster said the friction created clinching it creates heat and heat is it's worst enemy because it can make it brittle and weakens the line. By wetting the line either using water or your spit, it reduces the amount of friction thereby reducing heat created while it tightens and slides into a good tight clinch. Always use a good quality 100% fluorocarbon line. Cheap fluoro has really bad knot strength and will break regardless of the knot you use or whether you wet it or not. Quality fluoro also resists line nicks which also can and will cause breakage.

    As for the knot itself, basically it's a confidence thing. I have used the improved double clinch knot since I was a kid and I have no problems with the knot breaking. I do use the Palomar knot on drop shots and some reaction baits. If you wet the line and clinch it slowly, you should not have a problem with knot breakage if you use quality line. You should also retie your line often throughout the day, especially if you feel any nicks in the line.

    Personally, I use Seaguar InvizX 100% fluoro for most applications and I use Seaguar AbrazX for throwing jigs. The abrazX is 100% fluoro with a coating that helps prevent nicks in the line while dragging it through rocks and other hard, sharp cover. And I never go below 10lb line because it can be heartbreaking when you have a huge pig break off at the boat when the fish decides it's having none of it and does a quick, hard 180 beeline for the depths. I know a guy who just last week on the same day lost an 8 and 9 lber using 6lb line on a drop shot and the fish did just that, drag be damned. But I also am fishing for a different fish and rarely catch dinks because of the baits I use. If you fish where there is heavy cover like weeds and wood, you want to up-size your line accordingly for power to pull the fish out. I don't like braid and will use heavy fluoro instead going up to 15-25lb for places like the Delta. I learned the hard way up there last year when I broke off a huge pig using 12lb fluoro. Here is what I use for various techniques;

    Jigs & T-rigs-12-15lbs AbrazX 100% fluorocarbon
    Drop shot-10lb InvizX 100% fluorocarbon
    Topwater-10-20lb mono depending on the bait size and type(walking, frog, etc.)
    Small to medium sized swimbaits-12-15lb InvizX 100% fluorocarbon
    Wakebaits and subsurface reaction baits-10-12lb InvizX 100% fluoro
    Bladebaits-12-15lb InvizX fluoro
    Jerkbaits-10-12lb InvizX fluoro
    Crankbaits-10-12lb InvizX fluoro unless I'm using a crank like the 10xd where I'll use 15lb InvizX

    I know a lot of guys will use lighter line than I do in some applications but I learned the hard way and I don't want to chance losing the fish of a lifetime because I used too light of line thinking I'm going to catch more fish. I'd rather catch less smaller fish and catch more keepers and up. Hope this helps you out...
    great info.. thanx

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    Good info so far , I have been looking for a good abrasion resistant fluoro for flipping gonna give that a try. The San Diego jam knot is a good low friction knot that I use on fluoro and braid, and for joining the two I like the r.p. knot.

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    Simple:

    Small baits = Palomar knot

    Big Baits = San Diego Jam

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    Quote Originally Posted by HawgZWylde View Post
    Fluoroclear is a co-polymer line that is coated with fluorocarbon. Pure fluorocarbon is just that, 100% fluorocarbon. A good quality 100% fluorocarbon line has much better sensitivity, far less stretch, is thinner, is much more supple and it sinks as opposed to mono and other co-polymers that float. 100% fluorocarbon is also nearly invisible under water.

    When tying a knot with 100% fluorocarbon you MUST wet the line before clinching it tight, as another poster said the friction created clinching it creates heat and heat is it's worst enemy because it can make it brittle and weakens the line. By wetting the line either using water or your spit, it reduces the amount of friction thereby reducing heat created while it tightens and slides into a good tight clinch. Always use a good quality 100% fluorocarbon line. Cheap fluoro has really bad knot strength and will break regardless of the knot you use or whether you wet it or not. Quality fluoro also resists line nicks which also can and will cause breakage.

    As for the knot itself, basically it's a confidence thing. I have used the improved double clinch knot since I was a kid and I have no problems with the knot breaking. I do use the Palomar knot on drop shots and some reaction baits. If you wet the line and clinch it slowly, you should not have a problem with knot breakage if you use quality line. You should also retie your line often throughout the day, especially if you feel any nicks in the line.

    Personally, I use Seaguar InvizX 100% fluoro for most applications and I use Seaguar AbrazX for throwing jigs. The abrazX is 100% fluoro with a coating that helps prevent nicks in the line while dragging it through rocks and other hard, sharp cover. And I never go below 10lb line because it can be heartbreaking when you have a huge pig break off at the boat when the fish decides it's having none of it and does a quick, hard 180 beeline for the depths. I know a guy who just last week on the same day lost an 8 and 9 lber using 6lb line on a drop shot and the fish did just that, drag be damned. But I also am fishing for a different fish and rarely catch dinks because of the baits I use. If you fish where there is heavy cover like weeds and wood, you want to up-size your line accordingly for power to pull the fish out. I don't like braid and will use heavy fluoro instead going up to 15-25lb for places like the Delta. I learned the hard way up there last year when I broke off a huge pig using 12lb fluoro. Here is what I use for various techniques;

    Jigs & T-rigs-12-15lbs AbrazX 100% fluorocarbon
    Drop shot-10lb InvizX 100% fluorocarbon
    Topwater-10-20lb mono depending on the bait size and type(walking, frog, etc.)
    Small to medium sized swimbaits-12-15lb InvizX 100% fluorocarbon
    Wakebaits and subsurface reaction baits-10-12lb InvizX 100% fluoro
    Bladebaits-12-15lb InvizX fluoro
    Jerkbaits-10-12lb InvizX fluoro
    Crankbaits-10-12lb InvizX fluoro unless I'm using a crank like the 10xd where I'll use 15lb InvizX

    I know a lot of guys will use lighter line than I do in some applications but I learned the hard way and I don't want to chance losing the fish of a lifetime because I used too light of line thinking I'm going to catch more fish. I'd rather catch less smaller fish and catch more keepers and up. Hope this helps you out...
    Hawgs,I know you spend a lot of time on the water by the pigs you post up, Love seeing those.Thanx for that flouro breakdown,very much appreciated and your right the Fish of a lifetime only comes once in a lifetime!!!!Thanx everyone for chiming in,headed to the Bait store to restock on 100% flouro Found great site with slow mo instruction on many Knots,netknots.com Again Thank You guys!!Cheers! Riv....

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