Selling Our Nation's Forests?

[DarkShadow]

As fisherman, hunters, naturists, we have been bequeathed Wildlife Refuges, Wilderness Areas, and National Forests. From Teddy Roosevelt, to Ronald Reagan, our government has realized that these areas need to be protected. But, here comes SA 838, which is an amendment that seemingly backs support so that states can now take over federal land.

Thank goodness it's impossible to sell National Parks, National Monuments and National Preserves, since they enjoy extraordinary legal protection, but it leaves the door open to sell National Forests, Wildlife Refuges and Wildernesses to the highest bidder.

Efforts to "reclaim" public land are backed by Special Interests like ALEC and Americans For Prosperity. ALEC's primary source for funds? ExxonMobil. Americans For Prosperity? Founded by Charles and David Koch, who as you know, have your best interest at heart. In true altruistic fashion, they're spinning the entire thing with the usual rally cry of "Bad Federal Government! Go States' Rights!," but when you peel back the layers, it appears to be a method for private corporations to buy our land that is used for fishing, hunting, etc. as a method land grab by private interests intent on resource exploitation.

Sportsmen are none too pleased.

I'm sure you're asking, "who voted in favor for this bill?"

[City Dad]

thanks Obama

[etucker1959]

The country needs to raise money, so you raise the tax's or sell the land. Which party voted for selling the land?????

[Brent]

Doesn't this create a bit of a dilemma for the Republican "outdoorsman" types. You want to be able to hunt and fish wherever and whenever and the Democrats are taking away your rights, but what good are rights to hunt and fish if there's no place to hunt or fish. Do you really believe that the Republicans and their big corporation "backers" are doing it for the good of the sport fishing and hunting public?
With the Republicans pollute at all cost, big corporation comes first attitudes, we will all be out of a place to hunt or fish before long. The air and water we breath will be sold off to the Koch Brothers as well if the Republicans get their way.

Brent

[DEVOREFLYER]

DS perhaps you should read the actual amendment which is part of a continuing resolution to the Congressional Budget instead of pissing in the wind. You know the Budget that the Senate failed to provide when Dingy Harry was in charge.

SUMMARY AS OF:
3/20/2015--Introduced.
Establishes the congressional budget for the federal government for FY2016 and sets forth budgetary levels for FY2017-FY2025.
Recommends levels and amounts for FY2016-FY2025 for federal revenues, new budget authority, budget outlays, deficits, public debt, debt held by the public, federal tax expenditures, Social Security, Postal Service discretionary administrative expenses, and the major functional categories.
Includes reconciliation instructions directing the Senate Finance Committee and the Senate Health, Education, Labor, and Pensions Committee to each submit to the Senate Budget Committee legislation reducing the deficit by at least $1 billion over FY2016-FY2025. Requires the legislation to be submitted by July 31, 2015.
Establishes deficit-neutral and spending-neutral reserve funds that provide flexibility in applying budget enforcement rules to legislation addressing a wide range of specified issues across the federal budget.
Sets forth budget enforcement procedures for legislation considered in the Senate. Extends procedures for waivers and appeals of specified points of order. Makes permanent Senate points of order against legislation that violates Pay-As-You-Go (PAYGO) rules or increases the short-term deficit. Repeals the point of order against reconciliation legislation that would increase the deficit or reduce a surplus.
Provides directions to the Congressional Budget Office and the Joint Committee on Taxation regarding the scoring of specified legislation and the contents of required reports.



SA 838. Ms. MURKOWSKI (for herself and Mr. SULLIVAN) submitted an amendment intended to be proposed by her to the concurrent resolution S. Con. Res. 11, setting forth the congressional budget for the United States Government for fiscal year 2016 and setting forth the appropriate budgetary levels for fiscal years 2017 through 2025; as follows:
At the appropriate place, insert the following:

SEC. __X. SPENDING-NEUTRAL RESERVE FUND RELATING TO THE DISPOSAL OF CERTAIN FEDERAL LAND.
The Chairman of the Committee on the Budget of the Senate may revise the allocations of a committee or committees, aggregates, and other appropriate levels in this resolution for one or more bills, joint resolutions, amendments, amendments between the Houses, motions, or conference reports relating to initiatives to sell or transfer to, or exchange with, a State or local government any Federal land that is not within the boundaries of a National Park, National Preserve, or National Monument, by the amounts provided in such legislation for those purposes, provided that such legislation would not raise new revenue and would not increase the deficit over either the period of the total of fiscal years 2016 through 2020 or the period of the total of fiscal years 2016 through 2025.

I would also suggest that you read the following bill and let me know how the Demonrats vote when it comes up for a vote.
http://www.energy.senate.gov/public/...4-72f4ab98c30c

[HawgZWylde]

Lol, you said what?

I have noticed something glaring on this GD forum.
The left leaners are way too decisive and direct for the right side. The right siders like bland insults and the left prefer the witty well thought out reply's.
The right siders really do not like Lady Quagga and Dark Shadow because they can't shake them. All they get in reply are facts and shut down response, whereas the right siders seem to be the " I know you are, but what am I " type.

Just an observation.

D'ohh.....

[TROUT MASTERS]

If we leave it to Obama,he will sell our country too...

[Lady Quagga]

DS perhaps you should read the actual amendment which is part of a continuing resolution to the Congressional Budget instead of pissing in the wind. You know the Budget that the Senate failed to provide when Dingy Harry was in charge.

Hey Hawggy, you paying attention? This is a textbook example of deflection.

And Dev, copying, pasting, and bolding certain portions of the amendment à la wall-of-text to deflect from the issue at hand is disingenuous.

But even if we were to follow the subsequent line of reasoning, anyone who thinks this amendment is truly "spending-neutral" is either ignoring or refusing to acknowledge the unrealized cost of selling-off our federal lands to the states. Shame on you.

I would also suggest that you read the following bill and let me know how the Demonrats vote when it comes up for a vote.
http://www.energy.senate.gov/public/...4-72f4ab98c30c

This is a strawman. Stay focused Dev.

[HawgZWylde]

Hey Hawggy, you paying attention? This is a textbook example of deflection.

And Dev, copying, pasting, and bolding certain portions of the amendment à la wall-of-text to deflect from the issue at hand is disingenuous.

But even if we were to follow the subsequent line of reasoning, anyone who thinks this amendment is truly "spending-neutral" is either ignoring or refusing to acknowledge the real cost of selling-off our federal lands to the states. Shame on you.



This is a strawman. Stay focused Dev.

Yawn......

[Lady Quagga]

Yawn......

Aww, look. Hawggy's drooling into his popcorn.

Carry on, Hawggy. Your continued ignorance demands it.