From reading the above mentioned reports , there is no doubt that the valley benefits from farming. the percentages in the different areas i.e. labor income are high . However , in the state wide numbers the percentages are low (3% of jobs, 2.6% of labor income and 4.7% of state output). I believe those are some of the stats listed.
But those on the right you would think would be happy if agriculture was cut a bit. Would that not cut down on the illegal immigrant population? Save the state money that way.Originally Posted by HawgZWylde
You can look at it a million ways. I think the point remains accurate. The main target for cutting water use by this state, us, can only do so much and without also targeting agriculture and other water abusers, I mean users, little will be accomplished.
Seal...you make to much sense for fnn. I think everyone needs to chip in. I for one have already cut sprinklers usage, cut shower time, etc.,etc. Im sure ag can do their part to tighten the spigot.
Now back to normal fnn nonsense
Hey seal,
is that a perris spotted bass in your pocket or you just happy to see me. Its the other sides of the political fences problem to deal with. If u live in the north its southers fault. If your in socal blame nocal. I will continue to water my sidewalj because i can and no one can tell me otherwise. Now fill my dam lakes back up...dammit
The illegals are coming regardless of agriculture. In fact agriculture now constitutes only a small portion of the jobs and services they seek. Those illegals will get subsidized by the taxpayer, they will not self deport. And there is a bill pending right now in our legislature that will give them just that if passed, regardless of anchor babies. Yes, I do agree that all should shoulder the burden by cutting back water usage but it really irks me when those on the left use deceptive tactics to achieve their goals such as using terms like " "just keep sending water to the desert" when most of the area where said water is being used is actually a Mediterranean climate, or "those evil rich corporations just want to keep the field workers poor off of Almonds and Fruits". Or using a number such as the one peddled here which is derived from just the product sales and not the big picture that includes the entire area's "economic activity" that is built upon agriculture, or in Kern county, oil+ag. That number is massive and think about it, how will the one party state system make up for said loss of revenue? They won't cut back on government expenditures, including social services. They won't stop this billion $$$ bullet train boondoggle. They'll just simply start raising taxes and fees.
The onus here in Cali is on the left, they've had nearly exclusive control of our state government for 35+ years. They have not allowed spending on infrastructure such as adding water storage capacity nor sound energy production while at the same time allowing the population to increase nearly threefold. And don't even get me started on the deceptive bill the voters just passed regarding the tunnels in the Delta because when you actually look at the spending breakdown most of it goes to Brown's union cronies to be used for projects such as flood control, environmental enhancements and the eco's endless environmental impact studies and lawsuits. And as a side note, those eco lunatics still want to drain the Hetch-Hetchy and Lake Powell reservoirs.
California throughout history has had much worse and much longer drought. Our rivers have completely dried up many times and the Delta has experienced salt water intrusion all the way up to Sacramento in the past. How did the Salmon and Steelhead survive then? The Delta Smelt? Which by the way is actually a non-native species who arrived less than a few hundred years ago. I saw a couple of posts on this board where the poster says that it's a drought, those reservoirs would be empty anyway. Well, perhaps so but at least they extended water availability this long. Had those reservoirs not been built, the rivers would already be dry and the Delta would indeed have salt water up to Sacramento as the water would have just ran out to sea. More storage capacity would have prolonged the water flows even longer as it is STORED WATER with controlled water flow.
Want to talk about conservation than do so without the leftist talking points and put the blame for this mess squarely where it belongs, on our leftist government's crap policies and the DROUGHT, which they are horribly ill-prepared for. We need far more storage capacity. But eh, let's save the non-native baitfish, rats, toads, frogs, flies, lizards and snakes instead...
Just a political lesson here, not all people on the right dislike illegal immigrants. If they can use them for cheap labor their ok with them. What the right is a 100% agreed upon is this, in no way in Hell will there every be a way of citizenship for those people. The reason is obvious. (since this is FNN I have to mention it) lol If they were ever to become citizens probably 80% or more would become Demorats!!!!
Here's another political lesson. If you believe either the Dems or the Reps are totally correct on their views, you my friend are a sheep and a moron. Both parties are full of sh**. Ok let the bashing begin! I can take it
I guess that sort of was directed toward me. lol Did you notice my comments day before yesterday at HawgZY when asked who he was going to vote for. I said, "I'm a registered Republican and voted that way till 2000." Since then I'm picking the "LESSOR OF TWO EVILS" in my voting. Recently I have been voting for the Demorats because they seem a little safer bet. What I mean by that, "I don't trust some of the hard Right candidates not to sink the whole economy." (Which could have happened in 2008 without a huge government bailout)
Last edited by etucker1959; 04-11-2015 at 10:20 AM.
That was not directed at you! I just stole your opening of the previous post.
Nice, name call instead of addressing my post. Yup, you obviously directed that at me but I got something for ya, I'm not a repub and to an extent I agree with you. However the democrats own Cali lock, stock and barrel. They've had complete control of the Cali legislature for over 35 years and it's all THEIR policy. A republican governor in Cali is either a demorat wearing repub clothing like Ahhhnold or a RINO. Or just a feel good bobble-head who has no power. If a repub were governor right now, he couldn't even get a veto much less any policy center or right of center passed. Now is no time to bash, it's time for common sense to prevail, something that's been completely absent in Cali for a long time. But you know, I don't know why I bother, I'll probably be in South Carolina or Missouri by this time next year. Way better thinking there, and fishing to boot...
The proofs in the pudding on who the lesser of the two evils have been. Socialist/corporatist policy has done more damage to this nation and its economy than anything the right has done. Can you tell me the name of a "far right president" we've had and name the specific policy they passed that did us economic harm? Remember the question is "far right president"...
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