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    Quote Originally Posted by DEVOREFLYER View Post
    Hey frenchy aka etucker here is a few of the over 500 California agencies that the lefties in Sacramento think we can't live without. I think more than just a few could be removed or consolidated and no one would notice.

    This List of State of California agencies, departments, and commissions is a partial list of the more than 500[citation needed] California state government agencies, departments, and commissions as of 9-12-12.[1]
    1.Access for Infants & Mothers (AIM)
    2.Accountancy, California Board of (CBA)
    3.Acupuncture Board (ACUPUNCTURE)
    4.Administrative Hearings, Office of (OAH)
    5.Administrative Law, Office of (OAL)
    6.African American Museum, California (CAAM)
    7.Aging, California Commission on (CCOA)
    8.Aging, Department of (AGING)
    9.Agricultural Labor Relations Board (ALRB)
    10.AIDS, Office of (OA)
    11.Air Resources Board (ARB, CARB)
    12.Alcohol & Drug Programs, Department of (ADP)
    13.Alcoholic Beverage Control Appeals Board (ABCAB)
    14.Alcoholic Beverage Control, Department of (ABC)
    15.Apprenticeship Council (CAC)
    16.Apprenticeship Standards, Division of (DAS)
    17.Arbitration Certification Program (ACP)
    18.Architect, Division of the State (DSA)
    19.Architects Board, California (CAB)
    20.Archives, California State (Secretary of State) (ARCHIVES)
    21.Arts Council (CAC)
    22.Asian Pacific Islander Legislative Caucus (API)
    23.Assembly Democratic Caucus (ASMDC)
    24.Assembly Republican Caucus
    25.Assembly, California State
    26.Association of Bay Area Governments, Earthquake & Hazards Program, (ABAG)
    27.Athletic Commission, California (CSAC)
    28.Attorney General (Department of Justice) (AG)
    29.Audits, Bureau of State (State Auditor) (BSA)
    30.Automotive Repair, Bureau of (BAR)
    31.Baldwin Hills Conservancy (BHC)
    32.Bank on California
    33.Bar of California, State (CALBAR)
    34.Barbering and Cosmetology, Board of (BBC)
    35.Behavioral Sciences, Board of (BBS)
    36.Binational Border Health, California Office of (COBBH)
    37.Biodiversity Council, California (CBC)
    38.Blind, Office of Services to the (OSB)
    39.Boating & Waterways, California Department of (DBW)
    40.Boating and Waterways Commission, California
    41.Building Standards Commission (BSC)
    42.Business and Economic Development (Go-Biz)
    43.Business, Transportation, & Housing Agency (BTH)
    44.Business.ca.gov (Go-Biz)
    45.CA.Gov (CA.gov)
    46.Cal EMA (CAL EMA)
    47.CAL FIRE (CAL FIRE)
    48.Cal-Atlas (Cal-Atlas)
    49.Cal/EPA (CALEPA)
    50.CalCareNet
    51.CALFED Bay-Delta Program (CALFED)
    52.CalFresh (CalFresh)
    53.CalGOLD (CALGOLD)
    54.California Channel (CalChannel)
    55.CalJOBS (CALJOBS)
    56.CalPERS (CALPERS)
    57.CalRecycle
    58.CalSTRS
    59.Caltrans (Headquarters) (DOT,CALTRANS)
    60.Caltrans, District 1 (DOT, CALTRANS)
    61.Caltrans, District 10 (DOT,CALTRANS)
    62.Caltrans, District 11 (DOT,CALTRANS)
    63.Caltrans, District 12 (DOT, CALTRANS)
    64.Caltrans, District 2 (DOT,CALTRANS)
    65.Caltrans, District 3 (DOT,CALTRANS)
    66.Caltrans, District 4 (DOT, CALTRANS)
    67.Caltrans, District 5 (DOT, CALTRANS)
    68.Caltrans, District 6 (DOT, CALTRANS)
    69.Caltrans, District 7 (DOT,CALTRANS)
    70.Caltrans, District 8 (DOT,CALTRANS)
    71.Caltrans, District 9 (DOT, CALTRANS)
    72.CalVet (CALVET)
    73.CalWORKS (CALWORKS)
    74.Career Resource Network (CALCRN)
    75.Cemetery & Funeral Bureau (CFB)
    76.Central Valley Flood Protection Board (CVFPB)
    77.Child Abuse Prevention, Office of
    78.Child Support Services, Department of (CDCSS)
    79.Chiropractic Examiners, Board of (BCE)
    80.Citizens Compensation Commission, California
    81.Citizens Redistricting Commission (CRC)
    82.Climate Change Portal, California
    83.Coachella Valley Mountains Conservancy (CVMC)
    84.Coastal Commission, California
    85.Coastal Conservancy, State (SCC)
    86.Colorado River Board of California (CRB)
    87.Community Colleges Chancellor's Office, California (CCCCO)
    88.Community Services & Development, Department of (CSD)
    89.Compensation Insurance Fund, State (SCIF)
    90.Conservation Corps, California (CCC)
    91.Conservation, Department of (DOC)
    92.Consumer Affairs, Department of (DCA)
    93.Consumer Services Agency, State and (SCSA)
    94.Contractors State License Board (CSLB)
    95.Controller's Office, California State (SCO)
    96.Cool California (CoolCal)
    97.Corporations, Department of (CORP)
    98.Correctional Health Care Services (CHCS)
    99.Corrections & Rehabilitation, Department of (CDCR)
    100.Corrections Standards Authority (CSA)
    101.Counties, California State Association of (CSAC)
    102.Court Reporters Board of California
    103.Courts, California
    104.Cyber Safety for Children
    105.Deaf Access, Office of
    106.Delta Conservancy
    107.Delta Protection Commission
    108.Delta Stewardship Council
    109.Dental Board of California (DBC)
    110.Dental Hygiene Committee of California (DHCC)
    111.Denti-Cal (DENTI-CAL)
    112.Department of Motor Vehicles (DMV)
    113.Developmental Disabilities, State Council on (SCDD)
    114.Developmental Services, Department of (DDS)
    115.Disability Insurance, State (EDD)
    116.Disabled Veterans Business Enterprise Advisory Council (DVBE)
    117.Earthquake Authority, California
    118.Education, California State Board of
    119.Education, Department of (CDE)
    120.eHealth Initiative, California
    121.Elections (Secretary of State) (SOS)
    122.Electronic & Appliance Repair, Bureau of (BEAR)
    123.Emergency Communications Office (911), California
    124.Emergency Food Assistance Program (EFAP)
    125.Emergency Management Agency, California (Cal EMA)
    126.Emergency Medical Services Authority (EMSA)
    127.Employment Development Department (EDD)
    128.Employment of People with Disabilities, California Committee on (CCEPD)
    129.Employment Training Panel (ETP)
    130.Energy Commission, California (ENERGY)
    131.Environment Resources Evaluation System, California (CERES)
    132.Environmental Health Hazard Assessment, Office of (OEHHA)
    133.Environmental Protection Agency (CALEPA)
    134.Equalization, Board of (BOE)
    135.eServices Office (ESERVICES)
    136.Experience Unlimited (EDD)
    137.Exposition & State Fair, California (CAL EXPO)
    138.Fair Employment & Housing Commission (FEHC)
    139.Fair Employment & Housing, Department of (DFEH)
    140.Fair Political Practices Commission (FPPC)
    141.Fair, California State (BIG FUN)
    142.Film Commission, California (CFC)
    143.Finance, Department of (DOF)
    144.Financial Institutions, Department of (DFI)
    145.Fire Marshal, Office of the State (OSFM)
    146.Firearms, Bureau of (DOJ)
    147.First 5 California (First 5)
    148.Fish & Game Commission (FGC)
    149.Fish & Game, Department of (DFG)
    150.Fleet & Asset Management, Office of (OFAM)
    151.Flex Alerts
    152.Food & Agriculture, Department of (CDFA)
    153.Forestry & Fire Protection, Board of (BOF)
    154.Forestry & Fire Protection, California Department of (CAL FIRE)
    155.Franchise Tax Board (FTB)
    156.Gambling Control Commission (CGCC)
    157.Gang & Youth Violence Policy, Governor's Office of (OGYVP)
    158.General Services, Department of (DGS)
    159.Geospatial Clearinghouse (CALATLAS)
    160.GIS (Geographic Information Systems) Council, California (CGC)
    161.Governor's Mentoring Partnership (GMP)
    162.Governor's Office of Business and Economic Development (GoED)
    163.Governor's Office of Planning & Research (OPR)
    164.Governor, Office of the (GO)
    165.Guide Dogs for the Blind, Board of (BGDB)
    166.Habeas Corpus Resource Center (HCRC)
    167.Health and Human Services Agency (CHHS)
    168.Health and Safety & Workers' Compensation, Commission on (CHSWC)
    169.Health Benefit Exchange, California (HBEX)
    170.Health Care Reform, California
    171.Health Care Services, Department of (DHCS)
    172.Health Information Integrity, California Office of (CALOHI)
    173.Health Planning and Development, Office of Statewide (OSHPD)
    174.Healthy Families Program
    175.Hearing Aid Dispensers Bureau
    176.High-Speed Rail Authority (CAHSRA)
    177.Highway Patrol, California (CHP)
    178.Historic Preservation, Office of (OHP)
    179.Historical and Cultural Endowment, California
    180.Historical Resources Commission, State (SHRC)
    181.Home Furnishings and Thermal Insulation, Bureau of (BEARHFTI)
    182.Homeless Youth Authority, California (HYP)
    183.Horse Racing Board, California (CHRB)
    184.Housing & Community Development, Department of (HCD)
    185.Housing Finance Agency (CALHFA)
    186.Human Resources, Department of (CalHR)
    187.I Can Afford College
    188.Independent Living Council, California State (CALSILC)
    189.Industrial Relations, Department of (DIR)
    190.Industrial Welfare Commission (IWC)
    191.Information Security, Office of (OIS)
    192.Infrastructure and Economic Development Bank (I-Bank) (IBANK)
    193.Inspector General, Office of the (OIG)
    194.Insurance, Department of (CDI)
    195.Judicial Council of California
    196.Judicial Performance, Commission on (CJP)
    197.Justice, Department of (Attorney General) (DOJ)
    198.Juvenile Justice, Division of
    199.Juvenile Parole Board (JPB)
    200.Labor and Workforce Development Agency (LWDA)
    201.Labor Enforcement Task Force (LETF)
    202.Labor Market Information Division (LMID)
    203.Labor Standards Enforcement, Division of (DLSE)
    204.Labor Statistics and Research, Division of (DLSR)
    205.Lands Commission, California State (SLC)
    206.Landscape Architects Technical Committee (LATC)
    207.Latino Legislative Caucus (LLC)
    208.Law Enforcement Agencies
    209.Law Revision Committee (CLRC)
    210.Learn California
    211.Legislative Analyst's Office (LAO)
    212.Legislative Black Caucus (ASM)
    213.Legislative Environmental Caucus
    214.Legislative Information (LEGINFO)
    215.Legislative Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, & Transgender Caucus (LGBT)
    216.Legislative Outdoor Sporting Caucus
    217.Legislative Rural Caucus
    218.Legislative Women's Caucus
    219.Legislature, California State (LEGISLATURE)
    220.Library, California State (CSL)
    221.Lieutenant Governor, Office of (LTG)
    222.Little Hoover Commission (LHC)
    223.Lottery Commission (Lotto)
    224.Lottery, State (LOTTERY)
    225.Managed Health Care, Department of (DMHC)
    226.Managed Risk Medical Insurance Board (MRMIB)
    227.Medi-Cal (MEDI-CAL)
    228.Mediation & Conciliation Service, State (CMCS)
    229.Medical Assistance Commission (CMAC)
    230.Medical Board of California (MBC)
    231.Mental Health Services Oversight and Accountability Commission (MHSOAC)
    232.Mental Health, Department of (DMH)
    233.Mentally Ill Offenders, Council on (COMIO)
    234.Military Museum, California State (CSMM)
    235.Mine Reclamation, Office of
    236.Mining & Geology Board (SMGB)
    237.Missing & Unidentified Persons Unit (DOJ)
    238.Motor Vehicles, Department of (DMV)
    239.Museum for History, Women and the Arts, California
    240.Museum, the California (Museum)
    241.MyCali Youth Portal (MYCALI)
    242.Native American Heritage Commission (NAHC)
    243.Natural Resources Agency
    244.Naturopathic Medicine Committee
    245.New Motor Vehicle Board (NMVB)
    246.Occupational Safety & Health, California Office of (DOSH)
    247.Occupational Safety and Health Appeals Board (DIR, OSHAB)
    248.Occupational Safety and Health Standards Board (OSHSB)
    249.Occupational Therapy, California Board of (BOT)
    250.Ocean & Coastal Environmental Access Network, California (Cal OCEAN)
    251.Ocean Protection Council (OPC)
    252.Off-Highway Motor Vehicle Recreation (OHMVR)
    253.Office of Statewide Health Planning & Development (OSHPD)
    254.Oil, Gas & Geothermal Resources
    255.Optometry, Board of
    256.Osteopathic Medical Board of California (OMBC)
    257.Paid Family Leave Insurance Program (PFL)
    258.Parks and Recreation Commission
    259.Parks, California State (PARKS)
    260.Parole Hearings, Board of (CDCR, BOPH)
    261.Patient Advocate, Office of the (OPA)
    262.Peace Officer Standards & Training, Commission on (POST)
    263.Personnel Board, State (SPB)
    264.Pesticide Regulation, Department of (CDPR)
    265.Pharmacy, Board of
    266.Physical Fitness and Sports, California Governor's Council on
    267.Physical Therapy Board of California (PTBC)
    268.Physician Assistant Committee (PAC)
    269.Pilot Commissioners, Board of (BOPC)
    270.Podiatric Medicine, Board of (BPM)
    271.Pre-Existing Condition Insurance Plan (PCIP)
    272.Prison Industry Authority (CALPIA)
    273.Privacy Protection, Office of (OPP)
    274.Private Postsecondary Education, Bureau for (BPPE)
    275.Procurement Division (PD)
    276.Professional Engineers, Land Surveyors, & Geologists, Board for
    277.Professional Fiduciaries Bureau
    278.Psychology, Board of
    279.Public Employees Retirement System, California (CalPERS)
    280.Public Employment Relations Board, California (PERB)
    281.Public Health, California Department of (CDPH)
    282.Public Infrastructure Advisory Commission (PIAC)
    283.Public Safety Communications, Office of (PSCO)
    284.Public School Construction, Office of (OPSC)
    285.Public Utilities Commission, California (CPUC)
    286.Publishing, Office of State (OSP)
    287.Railroad Museum, California State (CSRMF)
    288.Real Estate Appraisers, Office of (OREA)
    289.Real Estate, Department of (DRE)
    290.Regenerative Medicine, California Institute for (CIRM)
    291.Registered Nursing, Board of (RN)
    292.Registrar of Charitable Trusts (AG)
    293.Rehabilitation, Department of (DOR)
    294.Research Bureau, California (CRB)
    295.Respiratory Care Board of California (RCB)
    296.Risk and Insurance Management, Office of (ORIM)
    297.Sacramento-San Joaquin Delta Conservancy
    298.Safe at Home Program (Secretary of State)
    299.San Diego River Conservancy (SDRC)
    300.San Francisco Bay Conservation & Development Commission (BCDC)
    301.San Gabriel & Lower Los Angeles Rivers & Mountains Conservancy (RMC)
    302.San Joaquin River Conservancy (SJRC)
    303.Santa Monica Mountains Conservancy (SMMC)
    304.Save Our Water (SOW)
    305.Science Center, California
    306.Secretary of State (SOS)
    307.Security and Investigative Services, Bureau of (BSIS)
    308.Seismic Safety Commission (SSC)
    309.Self Insurance Plans (DIR, SIP)
    310.Senate Majority Caucus
    311.Senate Office of Research (SOR)
    312.Senate Republican Caucus
    313.Senate, California State
    314.Sierra Nevada Conservancy
    315.Small Business & Disabled Veteran Business Enterprise Certification Program
    316.Small Business Development Centers (SBDC)
    317.Social Services, Department of (CDSS)
    318.Speech-Language Pathology and Audiology Board
    319.State Mandates, Commission on (CSM)
    320.Status of Women, Commission on (CCW)
    321.Structural Pest Control Board
    322.Student Aid Commission (CSAC)
    323.Summer School for the Arts, California State (CSSSA)
    324.Superintendent of Public Instruction, State (CDE)
    325.Superior Courts, California (COURTS)
    326.Supreme Court of California (COURTS)
    327.Systems Integration, Office of (OSI)
    328.Tahoe Conservancy, California
    329.Tax Service Center (TAXES)
    330.Teach California
    331.Teacher Credentialing, Commission on (CTC)
    332.Teachers' Retirement System, California (CalSTRS)
    333.Technology Agency, California (Technology Agency)
    334.Technology Services, Office of (OTECH)
    335.Telephone Medical Advice Services Bureau (DCA, TMAS)
    336.Tourism Industry, California (for Industry Professionals)
    337.Toxic Substances Control, Department of (DTSC)
    338.Traffic Safety, Office of (OTS)
    339.Transportation Commission (CATC)
    340.Transportation, Department of (DOT,CALTRANS)
    341.Travel and Tourism Commission, California (VisitCalifornia)
    342.Treasurer's Office, State (STO)
    343.Trustees, Board of (California State University)
    344.Unclaimed Property (SCO)
    345.Unemployment Insurance Appeals Board (CUIAB)
    346.Unemployment Insurance Program (EDD, UI)
    347.Uniform Custom Cost Accounting Commission (SCO)
    348.University of California
    349.University, California State (CALSTATE, CSU)
    350.Veterans Affairs, Department of (CalVet)
    351.Veterans Board, The California
    352.Veterinary Medical Board, California (VMB)
    353.Victim Compensation and Government Claims Board (VCGCB)
    354.Vocational Nursing and Psychiatric Technicians, Board of (BVNPT)
    355.Volunteers, California
    356.Voter Registration - Secretary of State (SOS)
    357.Water Quality Monitoring Council, California (Monitoring Council)
    358.Water Resources Control Board (WRCB)
    359.Water Resources, Department of (DWR)
    360.Welcome Centers, California (CWC)
    361.Welfare to Work Division (CDSS)
    362.West Nile Virus
    363.Wildlife Conservation Board (WCB)
    364.Women's Health, Office of (OWH)
    365.Women, Infants, & Children Program (WIC)
    366.Worker's Compensation Appeals Board (DIR, WCAB)
    367.Worker's Occupational Safety & Health Training & Education Program (WOSHTEP)
    368.Workers' Compensation, Division of (DIR, DWC)
    369.Workforce Investment Board, California (CWIB)
    Alright Alright I'll give 2 points to DEV. I shouldn't have left myself so wide open, I forgot I'm talking to the heavy weights again.

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    yeah I got over eating bluegill everyday plus my ugly stik combo got stolen by some pier fisherman

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    Quote Originally Posted by etucker1959 View Post
    Alright Alright I'll give 2 points to DEV. I shouldn't have left myself so wide open, I forgot I'm talking to the heavy weights again.
    When your a Flyweight and get knocked to the canvas ya should just stay down for the count. But no you just keep gettin' up only to be knocked down again. Dumb a-s-s!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by DEVOREFLYER View Post
    Hey frenchy aka etucker here is a few of the over 500 California agencies that the lefties in Sacramento think we can't live without. I think more than just a few could be removed or consolidated and no one would notice.
    A simple check of California agencies list brought up only 384 of them - a far cry from the "over 500" you claim. Using census statistics, that's one agency for every 90,000 legal residents - hardly an overwhelming ratio.

    And here's a newsflash for you, Dev - many of them already are consolidated under 8 parent agencies. It's only the disingenuous who take advantage of the inconsistency in department/agency naming to suggest that the government is bigger than it should be.

    Incidentally, was it so hard finding the link you used previously in this same spiel? Nevermind the fact their list has some redundant and misleading listings.
    Last edited by Lady Quagga; 03-12-2014 at 12:53 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bendopolo2004 View Post
    For a County that has a gross product approaching that of many Countries, the quality of our park lakes is abysmal. I have 52 years in this county and have seen the decline first hand. One by one the bodies of water in this county have been privatized, fenced off, or just allowed to eutrophicate. Eisenhower park lake is just one example of how the city of Orange just screws up a body of water. This One Hundred year old Duck pond used to be 20 feet deep in places. The fountain always ran into the creek so as to have a population of fish and Crawdads in the creek. There were several spots you could sit on the bank and catch Crappie till your arms would tire. The lake was victim to some abuse and all the water drained out. The city builds down into the sides of the already small pond and pours sidewalks and makes some rock decorations. Then refills the lake to a depth of 8 feet. Now weeds fill the lake every summer. They put Bluestone in to kill the weeds but it also kills the plankton. This kills the Threadfin Shad. No forage for the Bass that have dwindled in numbers. The Crappie never survived again.The fountain is often broken leading to some stagnant water further depressing the fishing. Sure the State drops a few Trout in and Catfish in the summer. Fishing can even be good for a day or two. But with little depth and no current his little body of water is almost dead. Now lets look at at Tri-City Park. I found this pond on my Bicycle in the early 70's. It was surrounded by reeds and the park had yet to be built. There were several other small ponds nearby, but they were small and also surrounded by reeds. We would ride our bikes into the pond to clear out the reeds. Then go dig worms in the nearby Orange groves. Fishing those holes we caught Bullheads, Bass, Green Sunfish, and giant Bullfrogs. Now this pond is 6 feet deep and so full of duck droppings it smells. I haven't pulled a Bass out of there in several years. There are few panfish and even the Carp are skinny. I know there are still fish alive in these ponds but are we so blinded by by the slow decline that we don't notice. Why isn't Peters Canyon open to fishing ? Woodbridge Homes says their lake is private, even on Public road access. What about the Katella Pit lakes? Why can't we fish there ? In every other State in the Nation, as long as you have a license, and the water is on public land, it gets fished. East Lake in Yorba Linda, Public roads, No fishing under threat of arrest. No access to ponds with some fish. Yet we are provided with Cement surrounded, mud bottom, featureless, bodies of water to fish. Garden Grove had a big pond over by the City shopping center. My Dad took me there and we caught Big Green Sunfish and small Bass on topwater poppers. I stopped by the other day. Not a place to get caught alone. Looks like a big Meth convention. If kids could have fishing like that now maybe our sport would grow and kids might have something to do besides stare at their phones all day....
    Hey dude, this is a great post. I agree with you 100%. I remember when El Dorado park would push out GIANT bass and HUGE crappies from every pond....even the one now marked NO FISHING on Studebaker right next to the golf course. I remember looking down into crystal clear water 25 feet deep with a few sunken trees. I would run a crankbait I bought from the the Bass Pro Catalog and watch 4-6lb bass come up and nail it. You could see tons of tadpoles and 2 inch catfish fry every early summer. It was a great time in 1985 to be 12 years old. All I wanted to do was practice what I saw Bill Dance and Jimmy Houston did on TV. What I see today is just plain sad. You bring back great memories man. Thanks for the walk down the lane.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lady Quagga View Post
    A simple check of California agencies list brought up only 384 of them - a far cry from the "over 500" you claim. Using census statistics, that's one agency for every 90,000 legal residents - hardly an overwhelming ratio.

    And here's a newsflash for you, Dev - many of them already are consolidated under 8 parent agencies. It's only the disingenuous who take advantage of the inconsistency in department/agency naming to suggest that the government is bigger than it should be.

    Incidentally, was it so hard finding the link you used previously in this same spiel? Nevermind the fact their list has some redundant and misleading listings.

    Trollin', trollin' trollin' keep them fingers trollin', roll on!.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DEVOREFLYER View Post
    Trollin', trollin' trollin' keep them fingers trollin', roll on!.
    Ah yes, the fallback response of the intellectually inept.

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    Great post! Agree 100000%. I have lived in orange county all my life and even from when I was a teenager in the mid 90's the lakes have all declined more than I could have ever feared.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stormcrow View Post
    All I wanted to do was practice what I saw Bill Dance and Jimmy Houston did on TV. What I see today is just plain sad.
    You mean like this?


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    Quote Originally Posted by seal View Post
    You mean like this?


    Lol, ya think live-wells and 5 fish bags came along a little too late here in Cali?

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