Obamacare Nightmare ! Part 2

[DEVOREFLYER]

The 800 lb Gorilla in the room of every City, County, State and Nationally is the "UNDER FUNDED or UNFUNDED liabilities (Social Security, Medicare and Gov Pensions, City, State, County and Teacher Pensions and Benefits). These unfunded liabilities are not part of the deficit you see talked about and most of the public are ignorant of that fact. The unfunded liabilities DWARF the budget deficit by a factor of 3 to 5 times or more. IT"S ALL ABOUT THE "UNFUNDED FUTURE LIABILITY" that will blow everything up!!!!! Don't you get it reducing FUTURE or eliminating FUTURE entitlements is what they are talking about. Jeeze you believe all that lib "Granny over the cliff s***" don't you, say it you believe it, don't you. Brain dead Liberal sheep, baa, baa, baa, baa!!!!!!! IT is the FUTURE unfunded liability that is blowing up City, County and State deficits and will blow up the US also if not corrected.

Haven't you read or comprehended that Social Security and Medicare is presently solvent but will run out in the future. It's the FUTURE that's the problem. Perhaps you have missed some of the battles in Cities and States that are fighting the unions over future retirement payouts. In some concessions have been made regarding new hires, it's a start and in some cases may be enough to save solvency in others it's not enough and they are just kicking the can down the road. Sooner or later they are going to run out of road!!!

[HawgZWylde]

I got that!!!! But the Hawgee's of the world, keep saying to help reduce the deficit you must reduce entitlements big time. If you can't reduce anyone's entitlement who is already getting one, only new enrollees. Someone is a moron and it's not me.!!!!!!! I don't know why Hawgee doesn't swoop in here and set us straight.

He still don't get it Dev. So now he's calling "someone" a "moron".

Pssst, hey tucky, guess what would be the biggest cut to entitlements, JOBS! Oh isn't that a novel idea? What is the single biggest reason employers aren't hiring next to a crap economy? OBOZOCARE! How about that eh tucky? How about eliminate government worker taxpayer (government) funded pensions? They get paid well, they haven't taken the hit like the private sector continues to suffer, let them save for their own retirement like the rest of us do. Another novel idea eh tucky? Reduce the government workers paid holidays to the 5 majors like everybody else has. Here in Cali, a lot of state workers get 15 paid holidays. Do the math, that's a big number. Restructure medicare and social security, not eliminate, restructure them and mandate their funding is off limits to any re-appropriation. If we don't fix it, it won't be there for our kids. Plenty more to go but I don't waste my time on someone who's not going to listen no matter what is said. Been there done that with you...

"Hawgee's of the world"? Ah tucky, are you getting annoyed?

Oh, and by the way, "set US straight". Who is us? From what I've read around here, pretty much everyone else "gets it", except a few of you...

[HawgZWylde]

Dr. Carson's got it right;

WASHINGTON (CBSDC) — Dr. Ben Carson slammed President Barack Obama’s signature health care during his speech at the Value Voter’s Summit Friday.

“Obamacare is really, I think, the worst thing that has happened in this nation since slavery,” Carson declared. “It is slavery in a way because it is making all of us subservient to the government.”

Carson said the implementation of the Affordable Care Act was never about health care, only control.

“That’s why when this administration took office it didn’t matter that the country was going off the cliff economically. All forces were directed toward getting this legislation passed,” Carson said.

Carson also made a comparison between Obama’s health care law to former Soviet leader Vladimir Lenin.

“Vladimir Lenin, one of the fathers of socialism and communism, said that socialized medicine is the keystone to the establishment of a socialist state,” Carson stated.

http://washington.cbslocal.com/2013/...since-slavery/

[etucker1959]

He still don't get it Dev. So now he's calling "someone" a "moron".

Pssst, hey tucky, guess what would be the biggest cut to entitlements, JOBS! Oh isn't that a novel idea? What is the single biggest reason employers aren't hiring next to a crap economy? OBOZOCARE! How about that eh tucky? How about eliminate government worker taxpayer (government) funded pensions? They get paid well, they haven't taken the hit like the private sector continues to suffer, let them save for their own retirement like the rest of us do. Another novel idea eh tucky? Reduce the government workers paid holidays to the 5 majors like everybody else has. Here in Cali, a lot of state workers get 15 paid holidays. Do the math, that's a big number. Restructure medicare and social security, not eliminate, restructure them and mandate their funding is off limits to any re-appropriation. If we don't fix it, it won't be there for our kids. Plenty more to go but I don't waste my time on someone who's not going to listen no matter what is said. Been there done that with you...

"Hawgee's of the world"? Ah tucky, are you getting annoyed?

Oh, and by the way, "set US straight". Who is us? From what I've read around here, pretty much everyone else "gets it", except a few of you...

OK, now it's DEV turn!!!!! Is it against the law to restructure Medicare and Social Security as HawZee suggested??????

[etucker1959]

Dr. Carson's got it right;

WASHINGTON (CBSDC) — Dr. Ben Carson slammed President Barack Obama’s signature health care during his speech at the Value Voter’s Summit Friday.

“Obamacare is really, I think, the worst thing that has happened in this nation since slavery,” Carson declared. “It is slavery in a way because it is making all of us subservient to the government.”

Carson said the implementation of the Affordable Care Act was never about health care, only control.

“That’s why when this administration took office it didn’t matter that the country was going off the cliff economically. All forces were directed toward getting this legislation passed,” Carson said.

Carson also made a comparison between Obama’s health care law to former Soviet leader Vladimir Lenin.

“Vladimir Lenin, one of the fathers of socialism and communism, said that socialized medicine is the keystone to the establishment of a socialist state,” Carson stated.

http://washington.cbslocal.com/2013/...since-slavery/

You like quotes. George Washington said, "A political party should never wage war against it's own government." Hear that Tea Party!!!!!!!!!!

[etucker1959]

The 800 lb Gorilla in the room of every City, County, State and Nationally is the "UNDER FUNDED or UNFUNDED liabilities (Social Security, Medicare and Gov Pensions, City, State, County and Teacher Pensions and Benefits). These unfunded liabilities are not part of the deficit you see talked about and most of the public are ignorant of that fact. The unfunded liabilities DWARF the budget deficit by a factor of 3 to 5 times or more. IT"S ALL ABOUT THE "UNFUNDED FUTURE LIABILITY" that will blow everything up!!!!! Don't you get it reducing FUTURE or eliminating FUTURE entitlements is what they are talking about. Jeeze you believe all that lib "Granny over the cliff s***" don't you, say it you believe it, don't you. Brain dead Liberal sheep, baa, baa, baa, baa!!!!!!! IT is the FUTURE unfunded liability that is blowing up City, County and State deficits and will blow up the US also if not corrected.

Haven't you read or comprehended that Social Security and Medicare is presently solvent but will run out in the future. It's the FUTURE that's the problem. Perhaps you have missed some of the battles in Cities and States that are fighting the unions over future retirement payouts. In some concessions have been made regarding new hires, it's a start and in some cases may be enough to save solvency in others it's not enough and they are just kicking the can down the road. Sooner or later they are going to run out of road!!!

Can't we fix SS by raising the age limits, add another point in the payroll deduction and take away the cap. Medicare you got me on that one.

[DEVOREFLYER]

Can't we fix SS by raising the age limits, add another point in the payroll deduction and take away the cap. Medicare you got me on that one.

My oh my I think I see a slight glimmer in your dim bulb. Damn where have you been, did you just wake up from a drunken stupor or is it selective memory? If you go back to the election Paul Ryan was advocating just that among other tweeks to Social Security and Medicare. And if you were listening he was talking about future enrollees only and that's when the lying bastard Libs started the "Throw Granny off the cliff", lying bastards. 0bummer Care has thrown a wrench into Medicare reform as it has to the entire Medical care issues in this country. Take the lobbyists and lawyers out of Medicine and costs would go down exponentially.

The last 15 years of my working life was spent as a litigation consultant and expert witness and I can tell you that the legal system in this country is corrupt and is nothing less than legal EXTORTION. Major tort reform should be the number one thing to target to correct a number of issues in this country. You would be stunned to know the cost to the consumers of goods and services in this country caused by lawyers. I have stories that would set your hair on fire and have you rioting in the street.

Here are some facts to chew on: 96% of ALL of the lawsuits in the World are filed in the USA. 25% of ALL Californians with income over $50,000 will be sued in their lifetime, EVERY business in California will be sued during it’s lifetime, some many times. More Lawyers graduate from law school than ALL of the Medical, Engineering and Science Majors combined.

[etucker1959]

My oh my I think I see a slight glimmer in your dim bulb. Damn where have you been, did you just wake up from a drunken stupor or is it selective memory? If you go back to the election Paul Ryan was advocating just that among other tweeks to Social Security and Medicare. And if you were listening he was talking about future enrollees only and that's when the lying bastard Libs started the "Throw Granny off the cliff", lying bastards. 0bummer Care has thrown a wrench into Medicare reform as it has to the entire Medical care issues in this country. Take the lobbyists and lawyers out of Medicine and costs would go down exponentially.

The last 15 years of my working life was spent as a litigation consultant and expert witness and I can tell you that the legal system in this country is corrupt and is nothing less than legal EXTORTION. Major tort reform should be the number one thing to target to correct a number of issues in this country. You would be stunned to know the cost to the consumers of goods and services in this country caused by lawyers. I have stories that would set your hair on fire and have you rioting in the street.

Here are some facts to chew on: 96% of ALL of the lawsuits in the World are filed in the USA. 25% of ALL Californians with income over $50,000 will be sued in their lifetime, EVERY business in California will be sued during it’s lifetime, some many times. More Lawyers graduate from law school than ALL of the Medical, Engineering and Science Majors combined.

I was lucky in the 20 years I owned my own business, I never got sued. One of the reasons why, I tried to take care of things as soon as they happened and always make my clients happy.

[DockRat]

DEMOCRATS TO AMERICA: WE OWN THE GOVERNMENT!
Ann Coulter
By Ann Coulter October 9, 2013 6:30 PM

In the current fight over the government shutdown, Republicans are simply representing the views of the American people.

Americans didn't ask for Obamacare, they don't want it, but now their insurance premiums are going through the roof, their doctors aren't accepting it, and their employers are moving them into part-time work -- or firing them -- to avoid the law's mandates.

Contrary to Obama's promises, it turns out: You can't keep your doctor, you can't keep your insurance -- you can't even keep your job. In other words, it's a typical government program, but this one wrecks your health care.

Also, the president did raise taxes on the middle class in defiance of his well-worn campaign promise not to. Indeed, Obamacare is the largest tax hike in U.S. history.

Among the other changes effected by this law are:

-- Obamacare will allow insurers to charge 50 percent higher premiums for smokers, but prohibits insurers from increasing premiums for those with HIV/AIDS.

-- Nationally, Obamacare will increase men's individual insurance premiums by an average of 99 percent and women's by 62 percent. In North Carolina, for example, individual insurance premiums will triple for women and quadruple for men.

-- Health plans valued at $27,500 or more for a family of four will be taxed at a rate of 40 percent.

-- No doctors who went to an American medical school will be accepting Obamacare.

-- A 62-year-old man earning $46,000 a year is entitled to a $7,836 government tax credit to buy health insurance. But if he earns an extra $22 in income, he loses the entire $7,836 credit. He will have more take-home pay by earning $46,000 than if he earns $55,000. (If he's lucky, he already works for one of the companies forced by Obamacare to reduce employees' hours!)

-- Merely to be eligible for millions of dollars in grants from the federal government under Obamacare, education and training programs are required to meet racial, ethnic, gender, linguistic and sexual orientation quotas. That's going to make health care MUCH better!

-- Obamacare is turning America into a part-time nation. According to a recent report by economist John Lott, 97 percent of all jobs added to the economy so far this year have been part-time jobs. Ninety-seven percent!

-- Obamacare is such a disaster that the people who wrote it refuse to live under it themselves. That's right, Congress won a waiver from Obamacare.

Responding to the people's will, House Republicans first voted to fund all of government -- except Obamacare. Obama refused to negotiate and Senate Democrats refused to pass it.

Then the Republicans voted to fully fund the government, but merely delay the implementation of Obamacare for one year. Obama refused to negotiate and Senate Democrats refused to pass it.

Finally, the Republicans voted to fully fund the government, but added a requirement that everyone live under Obamacare. No more special waivers for Congress and their staff, and no waivers for big business without the same waivers for individuals.

Obama refused to negotiate and Senate Democrats refused to pass it. So as you can see, Republicans are the big holdup here.

A longtime Democratic operative, Karen Finney, explained the Democrats' intransigence on MSNBC to a delighted Joan Walsh (aka the most easily fooled person on TV) by comparing House Republicans to a teenager trying to borrow his mother's car. "No, I'm not negotiating!" Mother says. "It's MY CAR!"

This wasn't a stupid slip of the tongue that other Democrats quickly rejected. Finney had used the exact same metaphor to a panel of highly agreeable MSNBC guests the day before. (MSNBC books no other kind of guest.)

The left thinks the government is their car and the people's representatives are obstreperous teenagers trying to borrow the government. Which belongs to Democrats.

That's not how the Constitution views the House of Representatives. To the contrary, the House is considered most reflective of the people's will because its members are elected every two years.

As a matter of fact, the Republicans who mistakenly assume they have something to do with running the government represent most of the people who pay taxes to run it. So it's more like a teenager who is making the car payments, maintaining the car insurance and taking responsibility for registering the car being told: "It's not your car."

But the Democrats refuse to even negotiate. It's their government -- and if you Republicans think you're going out dressed like that, you've got another thing coming! Needless to say, they absolutely will not consider the Republicans' demand that Democrats merely live under Obamacare themselves.

Instead, Democrats say "the Koch brothers" are behind the effort to defund Obamacare.

They say Republicans are trying to "burn the whole house down" (Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz); "have lost their minds" (Sen. Harry Reid); are trying to negotiate "with a bomb strapped to their chest" (senior White House adviser Dan Pfeiffer); are "legislative arsonists" (Rep. Nancy Pelosi); and are engaging in "blatant extortion" (White House press secretary Jay Carney).

The MSNBC crowd calls Republicans "arsonists" every 15 minutes. They ought to check with fellow MSNBC host Al Sharpton. He knows his arsonists! In 1995, Sharpton whipped up a mob outside the Jewish-owned Freddy's Fashion Mart with an anti-Semitic speech. Sometime later, a member of the mob torched the store, killing seven Hispanic employees.

Every single Democrat in the country uses the exact same talking point: We "refuse to negotiate with a gun being held to our head."

Which means that the Democrats will engage in no negotiation at all -- not now, not ever. House Republicans have already passed three-dozen bills defunding, or otherwise modifying, Obamacare. Senate Democrats and liberal commentators had a good laugh at Republicans for passing them. Now they're paying attention!

If you are in the minority of Americans not already unalterably opposed to Obamacare, keep in mind that the only reason the government is shut down right now is that Democrats refuse to fund the government if they are required to live under Obamacare.

That's how good it is!

COPYRIGHT 2013 ANN COULTER

[DEVOREFLYER]

Hey them Libs got the dial stuck on MSNBC. Misery and misfits love company I guess. lol