X2Originally Posted by Skyler
Are video games a hobby ? LMAO
Kids now a days can't even change a tire on a bike.
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Are video games a hobby ? LMAO
Kids now a days can't even change a tire on a bike.
Last edited by DockRat; 10-17-2012 at 10:37 AM.
Well, let me tell all of you about my personal situation and that of my colleagues. We have had massive numbers of classes cancelled at the community college where I teach over the past couple of years. This is due to lack of funding, in other words, not enough money to pay the instructors. The classes we do have, are overcrowded. We have far more students clamoring for classes than we have room for. I have been routinely overenrolling my classes, and I think many other instrauctors do, too, but then I found out that doing so is against the rules when a student complained at the beginning of this semester. Our classes are also cancelled if they are not full, so they are supposed to have exactly the number of students that can fit in the room, no less, no more. It's getting pretty ridiculous. If students don't have classes, it cannot help but detract from education. This is not a matter of throwing money at the problem, whatever that means; it's a matter of having classes or not having classes.
Lady Quagga, your idea of having 2 propositions instead of prop. 30 is intriguing. I would like to hear what they would be. We may be more in agreement than I had thought, even with Devore Flyer, but meanwhile, we need something to prevent classes, programs, or even schools from being shut down. The rumor -- which is probably true -- at my school is that the entire winter session will be cancelled if neither prop. 30 nor prop. 38 passes. The winter session is in january and february, in between the fall and spring semesters.
ETucker, that's what I thought you meant, but I wasn't sure. Conservatives definitely tend to vote no religiously on anything that might cost even a dime. Also, people tend to vote no on propositions that they don't understand, which is understandable. Nonetheless, a lot of propositions pass. I need to study the propositions more myself before I vote. I know more about a few of them, like 30, 32, and 38, but not the others.
Last edited by Natural Lefty; 10-17-2012 at 11:48 AM.
Nothing extraordinary. Prop. 30 proposes two tax increases, one for the state sales tax, one for income tax. In my opinion, they should have been proposed in separate ballot initiatives.
Okay, I understand, but the taxes weren't proposed separately, and who knows when that would have happened if no one had written prop. 30?
Iv'e always felt education is the best thing you could spend your money on. So when people want to go as cheap as possible on education, they really don't see the big picture. I'll give you my best example of why I think the tight wad Republicans are really out to lunch. Their number one biggest complaint in the world of wasteful government spending is on WELFARE. So what do you think is the number one thing you could do to help prevent welfare? I'll give you a hint, it's what we have been talking about. Yep you guessed it EDUCATION. So how does this make any sense at all, to complain about spending money on the best CURE for your number one complaint in the world.
Last edited by etucker1959; 10-17-2012 at 08:21 PM.
etucker1959,
Both my parents are now retired ex-employees of a very large unified school district.
If you saw the amount of waste that occurs on a daily basis, you'd feel a bit different about the statement you made. Your statement is based on the assumption that 100% of the money spent on education actually goes towards that. You can't throw money at a system that is flawed, and expect it to fix itself.
LIST OF STATE OF CALIFORNIA AGENCIES:
The reason California is broke and will remain broke.
Cut a number of these and then get back to me about me refusing to spend another dime of my money, good Gawd over 500 agencys and we can't cut or eliminate some to save education. Give me a "F'n" break!!!!!
Nanny state at it's finest and it's a look where 0bummer want's to take the USA. Not one Damn red cent more until change and reform!!!!!!
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This, and all the pensions that go along with them! Any questions?
....and I bet you didn't, either!
Yeah, but "California Acupuncture Board" is right up there near the top. That one musta really peeved some folks...
....and I bet you didn't, either!
This. My mother, grandmother, grandfather, mother-in-law, sister-in-law, late grandmother-in-law, and my father all work/worked for school districts. I know exactly where my taxes are going, and I don't like the way it smells. Hell, our district recently "misplaced" 55 million dollars. Just gone, no explanation. The problem isn't money (those teachers get paid more than I do, and they get 3 months off a year). It's motivation. You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink. The kids these days are disrespectful, violent, drug smoking, gangbanger wannabes who have over-medicated apathetic/sociopathic parents. They would rather their kids spend all of their time on facebook or running amok unsupervised than have to actually interact with them or confront them, or even have a serious conversation once in awhile. Discipline has been replaced with enabling bad behavior through excuses. "It's not your fault, honey. We'll get you some meds." Welcome to your future, America. It is sitting in your living room, cussing you out.
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