Who are you going to vote for?

[Skyler]

The first thing to do is to cut way back on Defense. The big question is, who are we so afraid of?

Hey, Tucker. Have a look at this.
http://www.eutimes.net/2011/12/china...world-war-iii/
Still think that proverbial fan is not in danger of getting S^@* on it?

[HawgStalker]

In response to the many PM's and e-mails about my dog ....

Please be advised FNNer's, I am tired of answering questions about my dog, who mauled six people wearing Obama tee shirts, four wearing Pelosi tee shirts, two Democrats, nine teenagers with pants hanging past their cracks, three flag burners, and a Pakistani taxi driver.


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FOR THE LAST TIME...THE DOG IS NOT FOR SALE !!!!

Dammit!!! Well then I hope I can at least bring my dog over to learn a few tricks... Lol!
Seriously though.... Haha!

[breeze71]

Heres a little Cloward/Piven at work a little closer to home (California), overload the system

California tax facts: Why you are paying so much
Gas Tax 64.5 cents per gallon Highest in the U.S.
Sales Tax 7.25% Highest state sales tax in the U.S.
Income tax 9.3% (kicks in at $48,029)
10.3% over $1 million 2nd highest in the U.S.
Corporate Income tax 8.84% 8th highest in the U.S.
Property Taxes 15th highest in the U.S.
Business tax climate 3rd worst in the U.S.
State and local per capita tax burden 6th highest in the U.S.
State and local per capita debt 8th worst in the U.S.

(All information above is from taxfoundation.org except gas tax – source API)

California state and local government employees highest paid in all 50 states.
U.S. Census Bureau

California taxpayers are responsible for $62.1 billion unfunded liability for government retiree’s health care benefits.
State controller John Chaing
(This is two-thirds the size of the state general fund.)

California taxpayers are responsible for $497.9 billion dollars in unfunded pension liability for government employees. About $24,000 per California household.
Stanford Institute for Economic Policy Research

Local pension costs are growing twice as fast as spending on emergency services, health, education, parks and social programs.
Californians Foundation for Fiscal Responsibility

CA has the 3rd highest state unemployment rate. (May, 2012) – 10.8%. National unemployment rate 8.2%.
Bureau of Labor Statistics

California has 12% of America’s population and 33% of the nation’s welfare recipients.
Department of Health and Human Services.
(Extra high benefits, paid for by taxpayers, make state a “welfare magnet.”)

California has the worst credit rating of all states.
Standard and Poors

Californians face the sixth-highest energy costs among all states.
Small Business and Enterprise Council
(A consequence of over bearing government intrusion.)

California is losing residents to other states. During the past decade, 4.9 million left the state, 3.7 million came in. Net outmigration: 1.2 million. Total lost economic production: $29.4 billion. Lost tax revenues, about $2.9 billion for the decade. That’s almost a third of the $8.5 billion Gov. Jerry Brown seeks in his tax increase on the November ballot.
O.C. Register, May 29, 2012

Businesses are fleeing the state. In 2011, 254 businesses left California and the exodus continues in 2012.
Joseph Vranich, business location consultant

pcuser I listed the sources for ya. Google is your friend. LOL.

I'm guessing that you already compared the California living standards with the lower taxed state living standards before you threw statistical numbers out on this website...it aint too perty out there brother!

[HawgZWylde]

Some here are doing everything in their power to discredit those of us who care enough about our country to take a stand and say enough is enough. If you think this isn't real, that it's not happening as we speak, do so at the peril of losing everything this country has stood for for nearly 300 years. You are giving up the individual freedoms, liberties, and SUCCESSES our forefathers fought and died for in creating the greatest, most successful, and most free country in the history of mankind.

communist party USA

Click on the link below and read everything on this site and tell me with a straight face that it isn't already happening, and I'll truthfully call you a liar. This election is truly the most important in our history. All concerned freedom loving, success minded Americans need to take a stand now for this is truly "it". They, the organized radical left, are making their move knowing full well that if they don't pull it off now, they never will. Once their policies are set, what we as a nation once had, will vanish very quickly. The damage it will do, and has already done, mostly will be irreversible.

Once on this site, find the link to "it's" constitution and start there. Then start reading every link on this site. Many of you who haven't paid attention will be floored. Others on this site (FNN) I'm sure already know, and even support it.

On this site you will see the unions involved, and the ones that aren't. The class division, the culture division, the policy, the tactics used by all the "collective" community organizing, with links to them as well. OWS is there. Organized education is there. The media involvement is there. The politicians, voter ID law and it's supposed voter suppression, etc. etc. You will also see how the various "leftist" groups organize. And you will also see how they are attempting to destroy any opposition to their ideology by branding everything and everyone to the right of them as "radical or ultra right wingers", including Libertarians. Lol, and yes there is plenty of "Blame Bush" for a good laugh. Sound familiar folks?

This is THEIR site;

http://cpusa.org/

After you have read this site, see the documentary 2012:Obama's America. Then go cast your vote...

[HawgZWylde]

Hey, Tucker. Have a look at this.
http://www.eutimes.net/2011/12/china...world-war-iii/
Still think that proverbial fan is not in danger of getting S^@* on it?

The link goes to the news source, but the article is not posting. says "error 404"...

[HawgZWylde]

Now that's really crazy. You give these politicians far too much credit for their "deception" of the American public. You are quoting a supposed theory suggested by 2 sociologists trying to make sense of a tragic event. I lived through those riots and it wasn't about social safety nets. It was about long term suppression by the LAPD.

First proposed in 1966 and named after Columbia University sociologists Richard Andrew Cloward and Frances Fox Piven, the Cloward-Piven Strategy seeks to hasten the fall of capitalism by overloading the government bureaucracy with a flood of impossible demands, thus pushing society into crisis and economic collapse.

Inspired by the August 1965 riots in the black district of Watts in Los Angeles (which erupted after police had used batons to subdue an African American man suspected of drunk driving), Cloward and Piven published an article titled "The Weight of the Poor: A Strategy to End Poverty" in the May 2, 1966 issue of The Nation. Following its publication, The Nation sold an unprecedented 30,000 reprints. Activists were abuzz over the so-called "crisis strategy" or "Cloward-Piven Strategy," as it came to be called. Many were eager to put it into effect.

In their 1966 article, Cloward and Piven charged that the ruling classes used welfare to weaken the poor; that by providing a social safety net, the rich doused the fires of rebellion. Poor people can advance only when "the rest of society is afraid of them," Cloward told The New York Times on September 27, 1970. Rather than placating the poor with government hand-outs, wrote Cloward and Piven, activists should work to sabotage and destroy the welfare system; the collapse of the welfare state would ignite a political and financial crisis that would rock the nation; poor people would rise in revolt; only then would "the rest of society" accept their demands.

The key to sparking this rebellion would be to expose the inadequacy of the welfare state. Cloward-Piven's early promoters cited radical organizer Saul Alinsky as their inspiration. "Make the enemy live up to their (sic) own book of rules," Alinsky wrote in his 1989 book Rules for Radicals. When pressed to honor every word of every law and statute, every Judaeo-Christian moral tenet, and every implicit promise of the liberal social contract, human agencies inevitably fall short. The system's failure to "live up" to its rule book can then be used to discredit it altogether, and to replace the capitalist "rule book" with a socialist one.

Sound familiar folks?

[Lady Quagga]

Now that's really crazy. You give these politicians far too much credit for their "deception" of the American public. You are quoting a supposed theory suggested by 2 sociologists trying to make sense of a tragic event. I lived through those riots and it wasn't about social safety nets. It was about long term suppression by the LAPD.

Ah yes, the Cloward-Piven political strategy. The basis for a conspiracy theory championed by Glenn Beck and ballyhooed by rabid Tea Party members. When you cut through their wild claims and spoon-fed rhetoric, what you have is little more that than this:

The Nation breaks down the roots of this conspiracy theory succinctly: http://www.thenation.com/article/mad-tea-party. (Warning to conservatives - The Nation is a liberal magazine and may cause BLINDNESS in conservatives!!!)

[etucker1959]

Hey, Tucker. Have a look at this.
http://www.eutimes.net/2011/12/china...world-war-iii/
Still think that proverbial fan is not in danger of getting S^@* on it?

Skyler my link didn't connect, but it doesn't matter If your talking about China doing anything that might provoke a war with the U.S. If that's the case then I really am the smartest guy in the room. War is a extension of diplomacy if diplomacy fails countries go to war. In the case of China and the U.S. they are such great trading partners with each other why would either one of them want to screw that up or some minor issue. But for the sack of argument let's say that happens and in this case China is really pist off at the U.S. and diplomacy as failed. Now China has two options go to war and risk the possibility of it's own destruction OR BLACKMAIL THE UNITED STATES INTO GIVING IN. How in the world could China do that you might ask? EASY they hold so much of our debt, all's they have to do is dump all their holdings on the open market all at once and in effect destroy wallstreet overnight. Now if your China in a diplomactic crisis with the U.S. which one of the options do you choose. The U.S. could have the biggest military in the world and wouldn't do us one bit of good over a global dispute with China. On the U.S. side of things we still believe in that old cold war expression MAD. Which stands for mutual assurd destruction. I don't see the U.S. starting a war with China knowing the consequences. As Doc rat said," we are going to spend ourselves into bankruptcy" I'm looking for ways so that doesn't happen.

[Skyler]

Tucker, the article was a report of china stating to russia that it is mobilizing it's military and that direct military offensives will be the result of any attack on iran. Russia had sided with them on this and will back them in any operations against western forces. It's really not a matter of trade in this situation.

[Koontaj]

I caught 2 bass yesterday at my spot...Oh shoot...WTF wrong thread. This is still going on. Okay! Who has fought for our evil country? Oh! I forgot..just a bunch of intellects here no war veterans..except for me and not proud of it. Only the ones who cross this path know wat im talking about...unless your heartless. We are evil...ha ha ha .