Carpbait softball is for girls,,,lol,,,all you would get off me if you were lucky would be a foul tip,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,ron i think i just got a bad spool of line i took it up with the manager dan at the palmdale sports chalet ,he gave me some other line and a apology, i spend alot of money with him and he is a pro brown trout killer up at the loop,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,june that is,,,,,,,,,,,,,