Another topic on braided line

[one_leg]

In regards to the topic, I've tried using straight spectra with simialr success but at a definate disadvantage of loosing jigs due to bad cast / birdsnest.

I prefer to have long enough mono so the knot between spectra and mono doesnt have to go through the guides everytime I cast out. Spectra is only used as a backing and I replace 100yds of mono every so often.

Like this one you got Mike?




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[Oz]

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[fuj]

For the Butterfly Jigs. The stiffer fluorocarbon gives the jig better action.

I doubt a short 3-6' of mono or FC leader has much if any differences.
To each their own.

Shimano is kinda weird on this. They recommend using some fluorocarbon between the braided line and the jig. And since they've introduced their own branded wind-on FC leaders, they of course recommend using those, which are 25 feet long. Their reason for this is to have some stretch so that the jig either won't rip out or break off...but you can't use regular ol' monofilament instead of the FC, no no no!! Too slow, too much stretch compared to (their) FC (wind-ons), they say. :roll:

When I fished for rockfish from a panga in Baja, I used Butterfly jigs with about 20 feet of Yo-Zuri Hybrid 50# tied to my Spectra with an Albright knot. We were in some pretty thick bull kelp, but the rigging held up fine, didn't lose any jigs.

[ghetto dad]

In regards to the topic, I've tried using straight spectra with simialr success but at a definate disadvantage of loosing jigs due to bad cast / birdsnest.

I prefer to have long enough mono so the knot between spectra and mono doesnt have to go through the guides everytime I cast out. Spectra is only used as a backing and I replace 100yds of mono every so often.

Like this one you got Mike?




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that was the beginning of the end of me and mike...i miss my homie... :(

[Tail Chaser]

Thanks for the imfo guys.
Guess I had a typo error on the topwater butterfly jig :oops:
Watched a offshore fishing TV program where they were testing shimano reels, and the butterfly jigs.
What they said were,The butterfly jig should be cast out, Let drop, with the option of twitching the rod tip as the jig sinks.(flutters down)
On the retrieve, They were nonstop twitching the rod tip as they were reeling the jig back in.(acts like a injured baitfish)
As soon as the jig is vertical under the boat. Reel in,Then cast out again.
So I will run the Getto Dad setup on the Saltist 40, 40# setup. 65#spectra, swivel,3' leader with 40# Mono
The Saltist 30, Will stay with all 30# mono. Till the saltist 30 gets spooled one day.Then go with the 50#spectra, 100 yrd 30# mono topshot thing. Usually keep the scrambled egg or Blue/wht Tady 45 on that rig
Once again, thanks for the great imfo.
I have not been out in 5 months, :secret: Way overdo on posting some fish porn

[fuj]

One of the problems with going to braided line/Spectra is that there is no "one size fits all" solution. Sometimes it's the right way, sometimes it isn't. But you never know; what was once considered a taboo way to fish may become well accepted. Spectra itself was in that category when folks first used it for big tuna fishing.

Thanks for the imfo guys.
Guess I had a typo error on the topwater butterfly jig :oops:
Watched a offshore fishing TV program where they were testing shimano reels, and the butterfly jigs.
What they said were,The butterfly jig should be cast out, Let drop, with the option of twitching the rod tip as the jig sinks.(flutters down)
On the retrieve, They were nonstop twitching the rod tip as they were reeling the jig back in.(acts like a injured baitfish)
As soon as the jig is vertical under the boat. Reel in,Then cast out again.

The Butterfly system was designed initially as a vertical jigging system. It's still a new way to fish, so most folks probably do the vertical thing with it. But casting and retrieving of a Butterfly jig may turn out to be another effective way to use it. Some guys on my 6-day last August did this and were successful in hooking and landing Yellowtail up to 40#.

So I will run the Getto Dad setup on the Saltist 40, 40# setup. 65#spectra, swivel,3' leader with 40# Mono
The Saltist 30, Will stay with all 30# mono. Till the saltist 30 gets spooled one day.Then go with the 50#spectra, 100 yrd 30# mono topshot thing.

Under most circumstances, I'd keep a fair amount of mono on top of the Spectra. The times I'd go short would be for bottom fishing, fishing in the kelp, long-soak live bait presentations with heavier line, non-combat fishing (i. e., where the potential for tangles is smaller than normal.), to name a few. Sometimes, though, you can't separate the two (combat kelp fishing, f'rinstance), so you'll have to take a chance one way or the other to find out which is best for you.

I don't agree that Spectra cuts mono. Moving line cuts standing line, regardless of whether it's Spectra or mono. People get "sawed off" because the sawer doesn't follow his fish and his moving line runs over other taut lines that aren't moving or moving as fast as his is. Sometimes this is unavoidable. That's fishing. But do your best to avoid it and there'll be a lot less distress about sawing off someone or getting sawed off by someone else.

Usually keep the scrambled egg or Blue/wht Tady 45 on that rig

I've always wondered why guys like mint green surface iron so much. I'd put myself in that group too, but I thought about it and concluded I like using mint or mint/white surface iron because it's easy to see. All good surface iron slingers know that no matter what color jig you're using, it has to swim right in order to get bit. With a mint green jig, I can see my retrieve much better and sooner than some other colors and know if I'm getting the jig to swim correctly.

[ghetto dad]

fuj, spectra WILL cut mono FASTER than mono on mono...ive seen it, many times...why do you think that they recommend special guides on rods for fishing the spectra...and yes, also, mono on mono will also burn fish off....you have one fish on straight up and down with mono, with pressure....you have a guy with another fish on coming up the side with a fish screaming...that spectra will SLICE the mono....that stuff cuts, that why alot of calico bass fisherman are using it to CUT through the kelp........

[ghetto dad]

and yes, you need to find a great swimming jig, i know how....BUT, color does make a difference most of the time on a proper swimming jig


GD

[JapanRon]

Hi ghetto dad,

Not lessening anyone else on their iron prowess but ... you (ghetto dad the 'Iron Master') said it ..DO NOT USE A SWIVEL WHEN SURFACE IRON FISHING, IT DOES AFFECT YOUR JIG ACTION ..... and how true, how true your words ring. I had just enough experience (intermediate) to notice this when I started putting fluorocarbon leaders/swivels on EVERYTHING.

Funny you should mention 544's I fished them for years and still have a bunch. Ordered the short versions in both the single-in-line hook and the treble-hook configuration. Put a swivel on those and you've got problems for sure in my limited experience. By the way, talking to the maker of the 544's ... they've changed the angle of the back ridge to increase the wag ... at slower retrieve speeds !

Even now ...... I always use a swivel on my fluro leaders fishing plastics and on certain baits' designs ... the twist is more noticable than on others ... fishing in the exact same manner !!

Await the Summer when you'll really shine on the iron fishing !!

tsurikichi

[fuj]

fuj, spectra WILL cut mono FASTER than mono on mono...

Please explain. What do you mean by "Spectra will cut mono faster than mono on mono..."? If you're claiming that moving Spectra will cut though mono more quickly than moving mono would, you might be correct.

My premise, however, is that moving mono can cut taut, standing Spectra. If you believe that Spectra always cuts mono in every situation, cool. We'll just have to agree to disagree.

why do you think that they recommend special guides on rods for fishing the spectra

What special guides are these? Or rather, what guides are available today that are not Spectra-safe? I'm curious because I haven't seen any guides that state "do not use with Spectra". If you have, I'm sure there are a lot of us here who would like to know.

...and yes, also, mono on mono will also burn fish off....you have one fish on straight up and down with mono, with pressure....you have a guy with another fish on coming up the side with a fish screaming...that spectra will SLICE the mono

When it happens the other way, let us know what the results are. But I guess you won't find out first hand since you won't be the one fishing with Spectra. 8)