Anyone have a report on Jenks? Thinking about going up in a bit and doing some fishin and relaxin. How's the weed situation?
Appreciate any Info.
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Anyone have a report on Jenks? Thinking about going up in a bit and doing some fishin and relaxin. How's the weed situation?
Appreciate any Info.
There are some weeds but also plenty of open area. They seem to have stocked. My buddy caught a limit of trout last week on his float tube using Hare's Ear and Pheasant Tail flashback nymphs. Also caught small bass and larger bluegill on black wooly bugger. They also bit on red San Juan worms.
Thanks for sharing the pic. Looks like a 3/4 pounder dfw stocker? did you throw it out pretty far? i think i am going out early next week. can't wait...haven't fished for trout in like 1.5 months and it's killin me. a person can only work so much i tell ya!
hope you had a good time. thanks for sharing.
Thanks for sharing the pic. Looks like a 3/4 pounder dfw stocker? did you throw it out pretty far? i think i am going out early next week. can't wait...haven't fished for trout in like 1.5 months and it's killin me. a person can only work so much i tell ya!
hope you had a good time. thanks for sharing.
If you are going to C&R you should use barbless hooks you should use lures you shouldn't use bait.
That's my opinion and I'm not going to change it. I will always respond to posts that are indicating C&R with powerbait. Even if you do not agree I do it so others hopefully do not do the same. I don't like the idea of catching fish with 2 or 3 hooks dangling out of their mouths, you are fishing in a mountain lake not a pay to fish pond. You do not know the end result of your efforts just because a trout swims away does not mean it will survive. When you gut hook a trout and are pulling it in by line that is doing damage.
Sorry will never agree there are so many other ways to catch trout that are just as effective if not more effective than using silly puddy.
if you are really worried try barbless hooks?
leme ask you this how would you like a hook left in your throat? kind of ironic you name is hookdfisherman...
an i think if a bullet was in seals brain he wouldnt have any opinoins as to what to do he would be dead but good analogy i guess...
an leme ask you this if you were a fish that was gonna die would you rather feed someone or wash up onto shore with three hooks in you throat?
By the way Hookdfisherman I appreciate you be measured and at least listening without a harsh response, others have not when this discussion comes up, thanks.
I like lemon twist combined with garlic in green. You should really be using a treble hook size 4 with at least a 1oz sinker so you can get out to them honey holes.
Have at it!
The reason I asked original question is because i am always curious on how people c&r trout on Powerbait. Like Seal I find it hard to believe it is possible all those fish swam away fine. Yes, you can cut line like you said, but with a treble hook stuck in its throat a weak DFW fish will die 95% of the time, maybe not right away but probably shortly after it will be floating. I don't care what you say or how much you write to justify your actions. A single baitholder or barbless.....yes it could survive, but a treble......no. I too have been fishing for trout (primarily c&r) for a long time and over that time I have realized there are alot better ways to catch DFW trout or wild trout for release than Powerbait. And if you are as experienced as you say I don't understand why you still use the stuff in the first place. And if you tell me you fish Powerbait on a single baitholder hook and chuck it out past the weeds.......well, I doubt it. If so you got some serious skills. My suggestion for fishing Jenks and doing c&r is using a gold or silver Panther Martin with a single hook, Red trout worms, or white, yellow and orange jigs, or flies(all with pinched barbs if possible). They will out perform PB anyday at Jenks and are alot easier on the fish. My response was not meant to be offensive, I just get bummed when people put on here (or any public forum) they c&r with PB, just not a good thing for responsible fishing.
There have been countless discussions on this board re: C&R for rainbow trout. If you think we are the only 2 that have that opinion you need to do more reading. From handling trout with wet hands to protect slime coats, never touch their gills, use special nets once again to protect slime coat etc... There is a reason why there are so many "rules" to C&R of trout it's because they are extremely sensitive throw in the fact what you are catching are mostly very recent DFW stockers that are even more wimpy the chances of survival drops even more. The fact that you seem to be unaware of this tells me that your experience level or education level on trout is not what you have described or you've been living under a rock. Sorry but it's been explained numerous times, you do some research, please.
Seal, you've both always been a strong proponent for fishing ethics and C & R. Depending on your sources....10% of all fish caught and released under the best of conditions die.
Some folks get it....some get part of it...and some never get it. They do what they want to do. I was recently on a fishery up north that has moving water and lots of wild fish. At every easy access water entry, we found one or two dead and dying trout lying on the bottom.....and the usual trash of beer cans, worm boxes and PB jars.
catch and release with powerbait and treble hook? Really? So a trout swallows a treble hook with yummy chartreuse garlic powerbait, slams the line, and you reel it in. The hook is in it's belly and you cut the line. I think I'd probably die or not do too well if a big *** treble hook was in my belly and I was being pulled by it and I was fightin to get away. Cut the line or not...
besides, powerbait fishing is boring. It's all about jigs, flies, and lures! Lip hook and release! Easy peasy.
To be honest, sort of read the posts. Didn't have too much time earlier. As for the active vs. boring fishing... I am talking about the throw the bait out, stick your pole in a holder, pull the line down with a bobber or weight hanging on it...I guess that could be really relaxing...pull out a book, chew on some beef jerky, etc. But I like to hold and feel the bite and hookin' em as they bite! Awesome! However, I have the 2nd Rod Validation so I do sometimes throw at powerbait or live bait, but the other rod and line is always movin!
Yeah......? Like I told you I don't care what you say, write, or post from the internet about survival rates, I am going by decades (35+years)of Trout fishing experience and I have found that small wimpy DFW fish do not usually survive after being drug in by their throat. Catch and release with powerbait=not good and irresponsible. I would think a angler with 40 yrs. of trout fishing experience :Rolls Eyes: would know this......
By they way, all those fish you probably killed could have been caught by someone else, like a young angler just learning or a senior just trying to get his/her limit.
At 20%, which is probably way on the low side of reality, that means 2 of 10 fish go belly up include the fact that most are not as careful as you say you are or use optimum methods that number would go way up when not in a controlled study. How many fish would at the end of a regular day fishing then be dead? Too many from my perspective.
You seem to be posting a document that supports our concerns about C&R using powerbait, thanks!
Wow. You guys really have provided a lot of info on catch and release. Unfortunately, people fish, catch, and some die...which totally sucks. I don't feel right knowing I hooked a trout in it's throat/belly and letting it go...but that's just me. Survival doesn't seem likely when that happens. I will powerbait it, but I know I will keep those and take them home for a great and fantastic meal. Lures and jigs liphooked I release.
Appreciate all the info and opinions. People can read if they are interested and then make decisions from there. However, I think all the info that has been posted has brought Catch and Release to the forefront. At least everyone who has posted are passionate about our sport. I am sure none of you leave trash and crap like the a**holes out there that really screw things up. Keep it real people. Fish the way you want, f****** enjoy it, and make good decisions that help our favorite fish and environment.
It's simple C&R properly using techniques that are accepted or leave after you catch your 5 power bait fish. Or catch 4 power bait fish and start using C&R techniques or get a second rod pass and toss lures while waiting for a bite, or just continue doing what your doing with the knowledge your are leaving behind more dead fish than you should be. This is getting ridiculous, funniest part is when you called Viejo measured, lol, no offense but Viejo is about as serious as they come about this stuff!
Word.......................
You are not qualified to educate me. Your weak links are not even relevant to original topic. Releasing gut hooked DFW trout(or any trout). A 17 year old review by people who are not even qualified "anglers" and the fact that you look to the internet instead of actual experience shows your lack of knowledge about responsible C&R. This post started out a little rough but I hoped it would maybe get you to think a little differently, but your harsh responses showed that it is not possible with someone with such internet fishing experience, knows everything, seems to want to instigate conflict, cool with me, I'll play for one more post. I just today saw your responses to this thread and the fact that you debate (with indignation) Seal is comedy. He is one of the most respected and experienced anglers on this board. You should listen to him, you might learn something. All gut hooked fish should be kept and counted towards your limit. If you want to C&R 25 gut hooked fish caught on Powerbait go ahead, it just makes you look like a greedy poacher. And blowing it up on a thread for possibly some inexperienced anglers to see and think "it is ok" is totally irresponsible. I guess you just wanted some attention and your 15 minutes of FNN fame.
Ok fellow anglers. Since the debate rages on and I started this thread...oh damn...I just pulled that card...I will have to decide on the matter...sure...why the hell not!
Powerbait with hook in the throat and gut is not good for trout. Lip hooked is better for sure. No one can argue that.
Anyone else gettin' on this soap box? :Soap Box:
Let's enjoy the cool weather and rain coming this week. That is good for trout eh? :Cold Fishing:
Sure I will bite.......never Never NEVER grab a trout with Dry hands NEVER...try not to even lift them out of the water
If you Grab a trout with Dry hands it will DIE i do have much Experience with this as for a few years had trout in a pond
If you grab a trout with dry hands and let it go it will swim off....a couple days later your hand and finger prints will show on the sides of the fish...4-5 days later he will be dead
same goes for a rope/string type new.....the nets marks show up a couple days after and a few days later they are dead....use a rubber net and make sure it is wett
removing the slime on a trout will Kill it......later when you gone
Also if the fish is Gut hooked just Cut the line and let it go..same if the fish is hooked deep in the mouth
just Cut the line and let is go
about 75% of the time it will live...try and not make it bleed
Just because the trout swallowed the hook does not mean it will die.... i have seen them poop the hook and line out
Ok you guy go about your useless argument..No one will listen...all the time you see trout and Bass miss handled
Bass guys are the worst...letting the bass hit the carpet in the bass boat..or bending the lower jaw
If you have 35+ years of trout fishing experience than you should know what a hook will do to a trouts insides while its hooked and you are fighting it. The hook rips holes the fishes guts, especially when you set the hook. Trout are probably the most sensitive fish and most of the time die, any one with a brain should be able to figure out why releasing a gut hooked fish is bad.
Hookd,
I don't question your experience and your intent as I'm sure your intent is to just fish respectfully. I do say that even with the most care and due diligence the chances of death are still higher by c&r. My example is if I catch my limit and leave I killed 5. If I c&r 25 fish, there is a CHANCE, hence I say chance that all 25 COULD die. You are effecting more fish one way or another instead of limiting and calling it a day.
Getting the hook out is not the main point I think everyone is expressing, the fight with a hook in the belly does the killer damage IMO.
Don't get me wrong I've c&r too just not trout cause they are so fragile. I have at times using lures and lipped them but I don't even take them out of the water and don't even touch them but like I said I usually catch my limit and stop. Of course that sucks when you limit in 30 min but that's fishing.
Seal was actually being very respectful in displaying his disagreement, shoot he even apologized I think I read. He was just trying to spread knowledge just as you are.
Just agree to disagree and go fish, especially with the storm in town.
Problem is not everybody is as proficient at gut hooked C&R as Hookdfisherman professes to be and the learning curve involved to get to that level of ability will generate a large amount of belly up (or dead on the bottom they don't all go belly up) trout.
But he seems to have some strange agenda to promote gut hooked C&R, can't quite understand the reason cause it just keeps going on and on and........