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02-18-2019, 09:14 AM
etucker1959

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Originally Posted by steelhead

So in order to lean more towards capitalism how about everyone pay an equal percentage of taxes regardless of income.
Since according to you we all benefit from these benefits how about everyone pays an equal percentage of their income to these programs? I don't think your liberal brain trust would like that very much. Medicare for aka single payer would also drastically change our entire country, how many tens of millions of people tied to the healthcare industry would be impacted? Now how about personal accountability as an individual? You guys love to cite statistics, trends and research (i.e. climate change) but with national health care every one is on a level playing field. Do you miss out on your liver transplant because the guy that drinks 7 days a week was a week in front of you? Why does he get it when he didn't live a healthy life or how about the guy that ate cheeseburgers 7 days a week and weighs 600 lbs, does he get a first crack at surgery? Not too different from someone making $15/hr wanting higher income earners to pay a higher tax bracket so that everyone can be on the same level playing field and be able to afford the same thing right? You're conflating public service with personal paid for service. People should get what they pay for. Should we nationalize car insurance too?? After all I'm getting s@#$# coverage but you're getting way better protection but hey maybe you paid more than me. How about private schools, if someone pays $10K a year for their child and they're getting better instructions than public should we make that available to everyone? How would you go about doing that?

I don't ever want to be accused of just cherry picking other peoples question. (so I'm going to respond to your last thought) What about making people accountable for their own life choices and health needs. That's a tough question because it's a sensitive question. (I don't really have much of a response to that)

However, it was brought up one other time on this board. A long time member was moving out of state to spend his last day's in the land of cotton. (he cited Health reasons as one of his motivations to move) Your favorite nemesis the Quaga witch, brought up your points. Was your Health issues caused by poor life choices or crappy genes was the witches question! That's a little too sensitive for most people, so it will probably never factored into any health dissensions regarding who needs it the most!
02-18-2019, 12:15 PM
Natural Lefty

Here is one of my favorite takes on the socialist policies that we all benefit from:

https://crooksandliars.com/heather/t...iddle-class-re
02-18-2019, 02:08 PM
steelhead

So according to the story you feel we are all beholden to the unions now I see why unions and democrats are tied at the hip in a mutually beneficial partnership. A lot of embellishment on the impacts of union there but those who have an iota of critical thinking instead won't buy it for a second. I don't believe in unions, I buy my own water, I don't have a union pension and I'm not protected by a union and can be fired due to at will employment and I guess I'm crazy for not believing your socialist propagandas but then again there's lots of people in my shoes.

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Originally Posted by Natural Lefty

Here is one of my favorite takes on the socialist policies that we all benefit from:

https://crooksandliars.com/heather/t...iddle-class-re
02-19-2019, 07:41 PM
Panshot

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Originally Posted by steelhead

So according to the story you feel we are all beholden to the unions now I see why unions and democrats are tied at the hip in a mutually beneficial partnership. A lot of embellishment on the impacts of union there but those who have an iota of critical thinking instead won't buy it for a second. I don't believe in unions, I buy my own water, I don't have a union pension and I'm not protected by a union and can be fired due to at will employment and I guess I'm crazy for not believing your socialist propagandas but then again there's lots of people in my shoes.

The essay was not a union diatribe -- in it's 626 words, it uses the word "union" four times, which is two times less than your 110-word rant --but it's interesting to see what triggers you.
02-19-2019, 08:01 PM
Panshot

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Originally Posted by etucker1959

You said, how about everyone pay an equal percentage of taxes regardless of income? (once again you sound like an ideologue)

Not to belabor the point, but the exact quote was:

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Originally Posted by steelhead

So in order to lean more towards capitalism how about everyone pay an equal percentage of taxes regardless of income.

Ah yes, and largest nation in the world to use a flat tax? Mother Russia.

Welcome into the fray, Comrade Steelhead.
02-19-2019, 09:44 PM
Natural Lefty

Not only that, Panshot, but apparently, Steelhead prefers to be underpaid and subject to abuse by employers. If he didn't, he would want to join a union.

Oh, yeah, but that would impinge upon his "freedom." Yeah, right. How free can a "wage slave" be?
02-19-2019, 09:47 PM
Natural Lefty

I guess the flat tax in Russia explains the soaring wealth inequality there, and the rise of oligarchic rule in Russia, as exemplified by the Putin regime.
02-19-2019, 11:16 PM
steelhead

It was a homage to all things the unions but apparently you didn't catch that and indicated it wasn't a diatribe! NO @#$# Sherlock it's not a diatribe because it's compliment to the union. Captain obvious while pointing out a technicality you missed the entire gist of the article which is that YOU, yes YOU are beholden to the union. I'm of the opinion we are NOT because there are more at will employment in this country than there are union workers. It was an opinion piece full of embellishments but I wouldn't expect you to see through it with that stellar intellect of yours. You must be triggered you because you're up to a full .....30 words now? Good going keep it up and multisyllabic too, impressive!

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Originally Posted by Panshot

The essay was not a union diatribe -- in it's 626 words, it uses the word "union" four times, which is two times less than your 110-word rant --but it's interesting to see what triggers you.
02-20-2019, 07:02 AM
steelhead

Well, if we're talking about 70% taxes on the uber wealthy and rainbow ponies that are powered by wind, hydrogen and solar than it's not a far fetched idea is it? Now I'm no where near wealthy but I don't think these wholesale pie in the sky concepts are going to fly. What makes you think people who are non union prefer to be underpaid and abused? You must be a part of a union. Lots of specialized fields that are NOT unionized and no complaints here.

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Originally Posted by Natural Lefty

I guess the flat tax in Russia explains the soaring wealth inequality there, and the rise of oligarchic rule in Russia, as exemplified by the Putin regime.
02-20-2019, 04:59 PM
Panshot

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Originally Posted by steelhead

It was a homage to all things the unions but apparently you didn't catch that and indicated it wasn't a diatribe!

Actually, what I said was that it wasn't a union diatribe, which is quite different from saying it was a diatribe against unions.

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Originally Posted by steelhead

It was a homage to all things the unions but apparently you didn't catch that and indicated it wasn't a diatribe! NO @#$# Sherlock it's not a diatribe because it's compliment to the union.

Actually, it is a diatribe. Just not a union diatribe, nor a diatribe against unions.

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Originally Posted by steelhead

Captain obvious while pointing out a technicality you missed the entire gist of the article which is that YOU, yes YOU are beholden to the union.

The "entire gist" you speak of is your interpretation of the essay - that it is a union diatribe, which it is not, and that you are easily triggered by references to unions, which you are.

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I'm of the opinion we are NOT because there are more at will employment in this country than there are union workers.

The current percentage of unionized labor in the U.S. does not diminish it's impact, be it historical, present, or future.

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It was an opinion piece full of embellishments but I wouldn't expect you to see through it with that stellar intellect of yours.

Your abysmal lack of intellect prevents you from acknowledging anything outside your own limited (and limiting) paradigm.

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