Chumming For Stripers

A friend of mine said he was at Skinner on Tuesday bait fishing at the buoy line. He said there was a boat with three guys in it doing the same. The only difference was they were catching fish and he wasn't. He said he noticed the gulls were diving and picking bait of the service around this particular boat. This tells me they were obviously chumming. I would like to think they didn't know it was illegal to chum in fresh water in California.
They were lucky, because the DFG was just there the day before.
If anyone cares to help stop the illegal taking of fish at Skinner or any other lake, please text or call the DFG at 1-800-292-7800.

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Originally Posted by NFCD I

A friend of mine said he was at Skinner on Tuesday bait fishing at the buoy line. He said there was a boat with three guys in it doing the same. The only difference was they were catching fish and he wasn't. He said he noticed the gulls were diving and picking bait of the service around this particular boat. This tells me they were obviously chumming. I would like to think they didn't know it was illegal to chum in fresh water in California.
They were lucky, because the DFG was just there the day before.
If anyone cares to help stop the illegal taking of fish at Skinner or any other lake, please text or call the DFG at 1-800-292-7800.

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Just a quick question about Stripers in Skinner. Are they consider a menace being in there? 4 or 5 years ago, many people thought the Stripers in DVL was a good thing. Not so much anymore because they don't bite like they once did.

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Originally Posted by etucker1959

Just a quick question about Stripers in Skinner. Are they consider a menace being in there? 4 or 5 years ago, many people thought the Stripers in DVL was a good thing. Not so much anymore because they don't bite like they once did.

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striped bass are an inadvertent introduction to DVL and Skinner through water importation. However, they are a very popular component to the fisheries and when properly managed, are a valuable component to the fisheries. Proper management is achieved through high harvest rates in enclosed non-anadromous waters...hence the no size restriction and 10 fish bag limit. Creel surveys show harvest rates at both lakes is around 70%....good but could be better. Both lakes are loaded with striped bass now and likely into the future. Go and get em!

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Originally Posted by kwin

striped bass are an inadvertent introduction to DVL and Skinner through water importation. However, they are a very popular component to the fisheries and when properly managed, are a valuable component to the fisheries. Proper management is achieved through high harvest rates in enclosed non-anadromous waters...hence the no size restriction and 10 fish bag limit. Creel surveys show harvest rates at both lakes is around 70%....good but could be better. Both lakes are loaded with striped bass now and likely into the future. Go and get em!

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I know some people really like catching Stripers. But the LMB and trout fishermen hate their gut's always citing 2 examples. The first one is DVL, when it was first opened they had a very good holdover trout population. Plus the LMB fishermen always claim it was much better back then. Then the Stripers appeared and it all changed! The 2nd example is something I was part of. Many people including myself thought Castaic lake was going to produce the next World Record Large mouth Bass. My Taxidermist in the late 1980 and early 1990's was chasing that one all the time. (he took me along because I was a such a good customer) Along with many other people who basically gave up their lives chasing that one. Then overnight that Trophy fishery went KABLOUEEE! Yes there was some drawn downs that effected the fishing. But the big appearance of those Stripers and the overnight disappearance of DD LMB and double DD LMB can't be explained away by some blood diversity theory. lol

The stripers made there own way in to the lakes thru the aqueduct nobody stocked them. Every large mouth bass fisherman snivels about them I use to bass fish but got tiered of all the wining about keeping one or two bass. Plus I have fished silverwood since it opened and remember when you could catch 5 and lb. browns there. When the stripers showed up they were gone but s*#T changes so we just have to deal with it. I now love fishing for stripers and do not feel guilt about keeping them big or small.

Stripers were planted in San Francisco Bay along time ago they made there way into the delta.

Wow! this thread got off track really fast! NFCD's post had to do with DFG law breakers and not how many stripers are in a given lake. If I read him right, the question is if it is ok to create your own set of rules based on your own personal view of the efficacy of current law? I don't see a lot of traffic so I'll just go as fast as I see fit. My tax money is just going to be misspent so I'll just skip paying this year. Too many stripers so I'll just chum to my heart's content. Thanks for the tip line NFCD1!

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Originally Posted by P.A.W.

Wow! this thread got off track really fast! NFCD's post had to do with DFG law breakers and not how many stripers are in a given lake. If I read him right, the question is if it is ok to create your own set of rules based on your own personal view of the efficacy of current law? I don't see a lot of traffic so I'll just go as fast as I see fit. My tax money is just going to be misspent so I'll just skip paying this year. Too many stripers so I'll just chum to my heart's content. Thanks for the tip line NFCD1!

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Since I was the thread jacker "I'll make a formal apology!" Sorry for bringing up the topic of Stripers in our local lakes. (I know from experience, if no one responds it can be a little disheartening, so I was just trying to make a little conversation)

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Originally Posted by NFCD I

A friend of mine said he was at Skinner on Tuesday bait fishing at the buoy line. He said there was a boat with three guys in it doing the same. The only difference was they were catching fish and he wasn't. He said he noticed the gulls were diving and picking bait of the service around this particular boat. This tells me they were obviously chumming. I would like to think they didn't know it was illegal to chum in fresh water in California.
They were lucky, because the DFG was just there the day before.
If anyone cares to help stop the illegal taking of fish at Skinner or any other lake, please text or call the DFG at 1-800-292-7800.

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This is not the first I’ve heard ppl don’t this at skinner

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Originally Posted by NFCD I

A friend of mine said he was at Skinner on Tuesday bait fishing at the buoy line. He said there was a boat with three guys in it doing the same. The only difference was they were catching fish and he wasn't. He said he noticed the gulls were diving and picking bait of the service around this particular boat. This tells me they were obviously chumming. I would like to think they didn't know it was illegal to chum in fresh water in California.
They were lucky, because the DFG was just there the day before.
If anyone cares to help stop the illegal taking of fish at Skinner or any other lake, please text or call the DFG at 1-800-292-7800.

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Those 3 guys all limited that day. I watched the warden check there license and count there fish.

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Originally Posted by Fnguyen5992

Those 3 guys all limited that day. I watched the warden check there license and count there fish.

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I'm guessing they checked them in the parking lot. It's good to see and hear the DFG is checking catches at Skinner, but it would also be nice to see them on the water every now and then.

Get all those stripers. Fun to catch but they have decimated Castaic's large bass fishery and even DVL's DD bass fishery is not even close to what it used to be. Get'em all boys...every one of them....

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Originally Posted by JS_

Get all those stripers. Fun to catch but they have decimated Castaic's large bass fishery and even DVL's DD bass fishery is not even close to what it used to be. Get'em all boys...every one of them....

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DVL's DD bass fishery isn't what it used to be also because nobody keeps any bass Of the 88,453 reported caught in our 2009-2018 creel surveys, 1,171 were kept. That is 1.9%.....C&R only doesn't promote growth rates that produce DD's.

Harvest of both species within the regulations is a good idea to promote both fisheries.

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Originally Posted by NFCD I

I'm guessing they checked them in the parking lot. It's good to see and hear the DFG is checking catches at Skinner, but it would also be nice to see them on the water every now and then.

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Yes he checked everyone in the parking lot. They got 30 and I got 4 😔but I was using lures not bait.

Yes, you are right. That is an issue too. But I believe the stripers are the main issue for low numbers of quality size big bass. We do need to get a lot of the smaller drinks out but the bass size limits are also 15" too. We need better fishery management at some of these lakes like what you seem to be alluding to...

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Originally Posted by kwin

DVL's DD bass fishery isn't what it used to be also because nobody keeps any bass Of the 88,453 reported caught in our 2009-2018 creel surveys, 1,171 were kept. That is 1.9%.....C&R only doesn't promote growth rates that produce DD's.

Harvest of both species within the regulations is a good idea to promote both fisheries.

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What is a good percentage to shoot for? And is that 1.9% affected by the current 2 fish limit? Would that percentage go up some if the limit was increased to 5 do you think? Also is this low percentage unique to DVL? Sorry for all the questions this kind of an interesting topic to me.

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Originally Posted by kwin

DVL's DD bass fishery isn't what it used to be also because nobody keeps any bass Of the 88,453 reported caught in our 2009-2018 creel surveys, 1,171 were kept. That is 1.9%.....C&R only doesn't promote growth rates that produce DD's.

Harvest of both species within the regulations is a good idea to promote both fisheries.

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My LMB buddy's swear they caught more and bigger Bass the first few years DVL was open. So what was the creel count from 2002-2008 and how many were kept?

I am glad that you said that, KWIN. I have in fact read similar things about bass populations, but the catch and release meme is so strong that I think people are afraid to admit keeping any on a site like this. I don't target largemouth or smallmouth bass, but I have kept an occasional one over the years, which I have never reported here because I don't want to deal with the bass Nazis. And yes, they do taste good. They are basically a large sunfish. I used to keep Striped Bass from Silverwood too, but they have had a "do not eat" warning due to pollution these past few years, unfortunately.

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Originally Posted by srsnow

What is a good percentage to shoot for? And is that 1.9% affected by the current 2 fish limit? Would that percentage go up some if the limit was increased to 5 do you think? Also is this low percentage unique to DVL? Sorry for all the questions this kind of an interesting topic to me.

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25-30% harvest rate is good. The data I presented was for DVL not Skinner....but coincidentally of the 5,223 LMB reported caught 2014-2017 only 104 were kept....again at 1.9%....not very unique is it? I believe all of SoCal is predominately C&R only and why big fish are becoming more rare. I don't think a 5 fish bag would be beneficial at Skinner given the limited habitat and quagga induced reduced recruitment observed since 2008 when they got in.

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Originally Posted by etucker1959

My LMB buddy's swear they caught more and bigger Bass the first few years DVL was open. So what was the creel count from 2002-2008 and how many were kept?

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My predecessor didn't have an intensive creel survey 2002-2008 to answer your question. Probably not above 10% harvest rate if I had to guesstimate.

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Originally Posted by kwin

My predecessor didn't have an intensive creel survey 2002-2008 to answer your question. Probably not above 10% harvest rate if I had to guesstimate.

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That's too bad! For these same guy's will now always say, "DVL was so much better when it first opened!" lol

I am a hookum and cookum fisherman if it is legal it's a meal. I only take home what I know we will eat for two weekends. Target stripers but if a catfish or large mouth gets in there it is going into the cooler and no guilty feels for me.

I guess no one on this thread is concerned over how fish are taken, illegally or not. The main concern here is to kill of the stripers and grow bigger LMB.

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Originally Posted by kwin

25-30% harvest rate is good. The data I presented was for DVL not Skinner....but coincidentally of the 5,223 LMB reported caught 2014-2017 only 104 were kept....again at 1.9%....not very unique is it? I believe all of SoCal is predominately C&R only and why big fish are becoming more rare. I don't think a 5 fish bag would be beneficial at Skinner given the limited habitat and quagga induced reduced recruitment observed since 2008 when they got in.

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Thanks Kwin I appreciate the info.

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Originally Posted by NFCD I

I guess no one on this thread is concerned over how fish are taken, illegally or not. The main concern here is to kill of the stripers and grow bigger LMB.

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Originally Posted by etucker1959

My LMB buddy's swear they caught more and bigger Bass the first few years DVL was open. So what was the creel count from 2002-2008 and how many were kept?

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I would swear I caught more bass of all sizes and more big fish in most SoCal lakes as you go back each decade but maybe I just suck now lol. I haven't had a 50 to 100 fish day in a long time. It's been a long time since I caught a DD and I used to get 1 or 2 every year in the 80's and 90's.

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Originally Posted by NFCD I

I guess no one on this thread is concerned over how fish are taken, illegally or not. The main concern here is to kill of the stripers and grow bigger LMB.

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Not true you are right but every thing seems to go this way I just cannot help replying to the large mouth bass people sorry about that. Glad you posted what you did.:Fishing Hole:

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Originally Posted by drifter023

Not true you are right but every thing seems to go this way I just cannot help replying to the large mouth bass people sorry about that. Glad you posted what you did.:Fishing Hole:

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At first I was not going to reply but as this thread continued to grow and go no where, I decided to throw in my 2 cents.
First off chumming happens at every Lake that’s fished despite what you believe.
Next until fish and game goes out on the water it will continue to happen over and over again.
I understand both sides from the stripe bass fisherman wanting to preserve the fishing and the large mouth fisherman that want them depleted .
I personally don’t keep any largemouth that I accidentally catch and I say accidentally because I don’t fish for them I just happen to occasionally hook up on one here and there, I release them because I understand it’s a fish that is highly frowned upon on those that take em , as for stripe bass I take my limit each and every time , not because I’m trying to preserve the largemouth population but because it’s a fish that tastes good made several ways as my favorite being fresh ceveche .
So my 2 cents is going to say if you pay the fees and stay within the limits don’t worry about what others think or say you paid your dues and are entitled to take what ever the posted limit is.
There I got it off my chest lol

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Originally Posted by Askwhy

At first I was not going to reply but as this thread continued to grow and go no where, I decided to throw in my 2 cents.
First off chumming happens at every Lake that’s fished despite what you believe.
Next until fish and game goes out on the water it will continue to happen over and over again.
I understand both sides from the stripe bass fisherman wanting to preserve the fishing and the large mouth fisherman that want them depleted .
I personally don’t keep any largemouth that I accidentally catch and I say accidentally because I don’t fish for them I just happen to occasionally hook up on one here and there, I release them because I understand it’s a fish that is highly frowned upon on those that take em , as for stripe bass I take my limit each and every time , not because I’m trying to preserve the largemouth population but because it’s a fish that tastes good made several ways as my favorite being fresh ceveche .
So my 2 cents is going to say if you pay the fees and stay within the limits don’t worry about what others think or say you paid your dues and are entitled to take what ever the posted limit is.
There I got it off my chest lol

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Thanks for the comments. I agree that everyone is entitled to keep and eat their legally taken limits of fish.

Be careful eating fresh water stripers raw. I was told by a sushi chef not to eat any fresh water fish without cooking it first. I would think that would include ceviche.

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Originally Posted by NFCD I

Thanks for the comments. I agree that everyone is entitled to keep and eat their legally taken limits of fish.

Be careful eating fresh water stripers raw. I was told by a sushi chef not to eat any fresh water fish without cooking it first. I would think that would include ceviche.

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After more than 24 hours in all that lime juice I find it highly unlikely anything could live through that .
I do agree with you though for those that dont cook it past that 24 hour time period , thats putting yourself in the unsafe side for sure.

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Originally Posted by Askwhy

After more than 24 hours in all that lime juice I find it highly unlikely anything could live through that .
I do agree with you though for those that dont cook it past that 24 hour time period , thats putting yourself in the unsafe side for sure.

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Lime juice does not kill parasites. The pH of lime juice is 2.The pH of hydrochloric acid in your stomach is 1...and stomach acid does not kill parasites either. If you eat freshwater fish raw or undercooked, you are risking parasites like tapeworms, roundworms, flukes, thornyhead worms as either the definative host (adult worms) or intermediate host (encysted metacercaria) in your organs.

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Originally Posted by kwin

Lime juice does not kill parasites. The pH of lime juice is 4. The pH of hydrochloric acid in your stomach is 2...and stomach acid does not kill parasites either. If you eat freshwater fish raw or undercooked, you are risking parasites like tapeworms, roundworms, flukes, thornyhead worms as either the definative host (adult worms) or intermediate host (encysted metacercaria) in your organs.

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Well said like that I think my ceveche days are over lol thanks for the good information

That is very strange! At that lake, I can't get a striper to bite take a dean. If they are into chum, I should be getting some kind of play!
Skinner is a strange lake!

don't believe the myth that striper makes largemouth, smallmouth fishing hard.. it has nothing to do with 20-30 years of catch and release.. nah that doesn't have anything to do with it and fish not recycling through lakes.. nah that doesn't make the fish smarter.. and harder to catch.. its the stripers... meanwhile during largemouth spawn any lake with stripers has tons of largemouth and smallmouth fry all over the place.. go figure. its those damn stripers though that made the fishing harder...

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Originally Posted by jdogg661420

don't believe the myth that striper makes largemouth, smallmouth fishing hard.. it has nothing to do with 20-30 years of catch and release.. nah that doesn't have anything to do with it and fish not recycling through lakes.. nah that doesn't make the fish smarter.. and harder to catch.. its the stripers... meanwhile during largemouth spawn any lake with stripers has tons of largemouth and smallmouth fry all over the place.. go figure. its those damn stripers though that made the fishing harder...

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When i Fished for Stripers at Castaic 10 years ago, all the Asian Fisherman were chumming with frozen green peas.... I guess it looks like fish eggs to the stripers!