(Speakers Corner) All lies what the Republicans are running on for the Mid terms

I should also add in fear mongering! Remember when I told everyone about the enlarged portion of the brain that Conservatives have? (the part that controls fear and anxiety) Listen to Trumps speeches, he throws out scare tactics all over the place. Why because his base just eats that up with their brain defects! I watch Fox News and all over the place they too use fear tactics just like the president does. I guess they read the same articles too, about their bases brain defects. When are the Democrats going to start to exploit that weakness in the Republicans? You know what the biggest problem the Democrats have is, their just too nice! Get a little tough and they will start to win elections again.

Let's get back to the Republican lies they are running on.

The Republicans should be running on their accomplishments. I'll give them the biggest accomplishment they got is the courts. (but that doesn't get too many people very excited) The economy is another thing they could try to run on, but their base didn't really get that much of an improvement. (they might have a job at low wages, but their wages didn't go up very much) Their base doesn't own a lot of stocks either (in 2018 they made nothing even if they did own any) and the great tax cut went to the 1%ers. So what do they have to run on? I'll tell you what!

LIES LIES AND LIES!!!!

Let's go over some of the big ones.

The caravan of people coming from Central America is a good one. You get 2 for one with this one. You get the fear working overtime with this one. Trump and Fox News say's it full of MS 13 gang members and Middle Eastern terrorist. Their going to hit Tijuana and crash through the gates. Then causing mayhem all through out the San Diego area! Of course the Democrats organized this caravan and is going to welcome these people with open arms! Only Trump and the US army can stop them with the Republican Congress people blessing. What a crock! Once the Mid terms are over, you won't even hear much about them!

This one was told by Trump recently. Did you hear about all the Rioting done in California? What Rioting I thought?? But when you tell the "Big Lie" it works better then the small lie. He's base must be really stupid to believe that one! You would see pictures all over the news if it really happened!

Here's another lie Trump is telling. He'll have a middle class tax cut ready by Nov 1. Sorry but Congress isn't even in session. How dumb must his base be to believe that???

Here's the last big one their all telling. Trump, Congress people and the Republican Governors.

The single biggest most important issue that has most people concerned is Health Care. (Obama Care leads the list on this one) Obama Care is more popular then any other single issue. Economy, Guns, Abortion rights etc. (this was conducted and confirmed by a Fox News poll) So what are these Republican going to do now? They voted to Kill Obama Care 70 times and promised if re elected to get it done this time. (plus there is also an law suit to kill Obama Care) Of course the single most important part of Obama Care (if you don't count giving 20 million people health insurance) is you can't discriminant against pre existing conditions.

So what now are all these Republicans saying about preserving pre existing conditions. There all in favor of that, even though the only law that protects pre existing conditions is, (wait for it) OBAMA CARE!!!! Now how are you going to protect pre existing conditions and kill Obama Care at the same time??? You can't, so you are just LYING YOUR FACE OFF to your own constituents.

Why anyone who isn't a 1% er who votes Republican is an Idiot!!!!! They are now going to go after your Social Security and Medicare to pay for their tax cuts to the 1% ers. Plus to pay for their deficit spending they will impose a VAT tax on all goods! (Federal sales tax)

So why on God's Earth do the Republicans control all branches of government is be on me. It's no guarantee they still won't after the Mid terms. But if they do, they got there by lying their hiney's off and the dumb Rubes believed them!

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LIES LIES AND LIES!!!!

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You two nailed it, but there is more. Remember how Bernie Sanders said that the budget deficit would balloon after the corporate and upper end tax cuts, then Republican leaders would start saying that "we can't afford" Social Security or Medicare funding at current rates? Well, that has happened. Turtleface (McConnell) is talking about cutting these programs, and I know that Eddie Munster (Ryan) was on board with that, except that he is retiring, probably to take some cushy, extremely well paid lobbyist job

And Rush Limbaugh is suggesting that these "pipe bombs" were being sent by Democrats to Democrats, as a "false flag operation" to get sympathy just before the midterm elections = more fear mongering.

Another dissertation from the imagination of one E Tucks. Get a little tough I thought they were getting tough, remember all those speeches by Dems encouragingf mobs to form and create a scene and get in the face of Republicans and drive them out? I'm don't have the time and inclination to point out all of your inaccuracies but one jumps out.
The caravan of migrants and soon to be illegal if they crash the border fence are coming from mainland Mexico not up through Baja so no they're not going to be at the Tijuana crossing. Well I guess people in the middle class are not the 1% according to you Tucker because I'm seeing benefits but I guess you know people's situation better than themself? Leave it to a liberal to preach and pretend like they know what's best for everyone else. I know what it is, you're miserable and you want company. You must be gnashing your teeth the last two years, keep on keeping on Tuck, it may turn on Nov 6 but what if it doesn't? What's your plan D Tuck? Maybe we'll see you out on the front lines at a RESIST movement? LOL

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I should also add in fear mongering! Remember when I told everyone about the enlarged portion of the brain that Conservatives have? (the part that controls fear and anxiety) Listen to Trumps speeches, he throws out scare tactics all over the place. Why because his base just eats that up with their brain defects! I watch Fox News and all over the place they too use fear tactics just like the president does. I guess they read the same articles too, about their bases brain defects. When are the Democrats going to start to exploit that weakness in the Republicans? You know what the biggest problem the Democrats have is, their just too nice! Get a little tough and they will start to win elections again.

Let's get back to the Republican lies they are running on.

The Republicans should be running on their accomplishments. I'll give them the biggest accomplishment they got is the courts. (but that doesn't get too many people very excited) The economy is another thing they could try to run on, but their base didn't really get that much of an improvement. (they might have a job at low wages, but their wages didn't go up very much) Their base doesn't own a lot of stocks either (in 2018 they made nothing even if they did own any) and the great tax cut went to the 1%ers. So what do they have to run on? I'll tell you what!

LIES LIES AND LIES!!!!

Let's go over some of the big ones.

The caravan of people coming from Central America is a good one. You get 2 for one with this one. You get the fear working overtime with this one. Trump and Fox News say's it full of MS 13 gang members and Middle Eastern terrorist. Their going to hit Tijuana and crash through the gates. Then causing mayhem all through out the San Diego area! Of course the Democrats organized this caravan and is going to welcome these people with open arms! Only Trump and the US army can stop them with the Republican Congress people blessing. What a crock! Once the Mid terms are over, you won't even hear much about them!

This one was told by Trump recently. Did you hear about all the Rioting done in California? What Rioting I thought?? But when you tell the "Big Lie" it works better then the small lie. He's base must be really stupid to believe that one! You would see pictures all over the news if it really happened!

Here another lie Trump is telling. He'll have a middle class tax cut ready by Nov 1. Sorry but Congress isn't even in session. How dumb must his base be to believe that???

Here the last big one their all telling. Trump, Congress people and the Republican Governors.

The single biggest most important issue that has most people concerned is Health Care. (Obama Care leads the list on this one) Obama Care is more popular then any other single issue. Economy, Guns, Abortion rights etc. (this was conducted and confirmed by a Fox News poll) So what are these Republican going to do now? They voted to Kill Obama Care 70 times and promised if re elected to get it done this time. (plus there is also an law suit to kill Obama Care) Of course the single most important part of Obama Care (if you don't count giving 20 million people health insurance) is you can't discriminant against pre existing conditions.

So what now are all these Republicans saying about preserving pre existing conditions. There all in favor of that, even though the only law that protects pre existing conditions is, (wait for it) OBAMA CARE!!!! Now how are you going to protect pre existing conditions and kill Obama Care at the same time??? You can't, so you are just LYING YOUR FACE OFF to your own constituents.

Why anyone who isn't a 1% er who votes Republican is an Idiot!!!!! They are now going to go after your Social Security and Medicare to pay for their tax cuts to the 1% ers. Plus to pay for their deficit spending they will impose a VAT tax on all goods! (Federal sales tax)

So why on God's Earth do the Republicans control all branches of government is be on me. It's no guarantee they still won't after the Mid terms. But if they do, they got there by lying their hiney's off and the dumb Rubes believed them!

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LOL, when did the education fail people like you and Tucker and the rest of you... use critical thinking much and here is the excerpts from the story and let me unpack it for you because you like to stop at the headlines. SOOO you must be the gullible sap that also believed the chick who said she attended TEN gang rape parties and kept coming back to them so that FINALLY she was raped herself?? Yahhh that makes a lot of sense

Or you must be the sap that read the story from below and determined that the FAKE- made up officials current and former US employees are also now currently working with the Chinese government who happened to trust these idiots so much that they would jeopardize their ability to continue to surveil Trump by telling them these things so that the NYT could run an anti Trump story??? LOL Now I see why SAPS like you keep pointing to Trump's remarks during the campaign as colluding with the Russian... Russia if you have Hillary's email you will be ... rewarded! Gawd you guys are idiots, no idea what sarcasm is.





The current and former officials said they have also determined that China is seeking to use what it is learning from the calls — how Mr. Trump thinks, what arguments tend to sway him and to whom he is inclined to listen — to keep a trade war with the United States from escalating further. In what amounts to a marriage of lobbying and espionage, the Chinese have pieced together a list of the people with whom Mr. Trump regularly speaks in hopes of using them to influence the president, the officials said.

Among those on the list are Stephen A. Schwarzman, the Blackstone Group chief executive who has endowed a master’s program at Tsinghua University in Beijing, and Steve Wynn, the former Las Vegas casino magnate who used to own a lucrative property in Macau.

The Chinese have identified friends of both men and others among the president’s regulars, and are now relying on Chinese businessmen and others with ties to Beijing to feed arguments to the friends of the Trump friends. The strategy is that those people will pass on what they are hearing, and that Beijing’s views will eventually be delivered to the president by trusted voices, the officials said. They added that the Trump friends were most likely unaware of any Chinese effort.

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LOL, when did the education fail people like you and Tucker and the rest of you... use critical thinking much and here is the excerpts from the story and let me unpack it for you because you like to stop at the headlines. SOOO you must be the gullible sap that also believed the chick who said she attended TEN gang rape parties and kept coming back to them so that FINALLY she was raped herself?? Yahhh that makes a lot of sense

Or you must be the sap that read the story from below and determined that the FAKE- made up officials current and former US employees are also now currently working with the Chinese government who happened to trust these idiots so much that they would jeopardize their ability to continue to surveil Trump by telling them these things so that the NYT could run an anti Trump story??? LOL Now I see why SAPS like you keep pointing to Trump's remarks during the campaign as colluding with the Russian... Russia if you have Hillary's email you will be ... rewarded! Gawd you guys are idiots, no idea what sarcasm is.





The current and former officials said they have also determined that China is seeking to use what it is learning from the calls — how Mr. Trump thinks, what arguments tend to sway him and to whom he is inclined to listen — to keep a trade war with the United States from escalating further. In what amounts to a marriage of lobbying and espionage, the Chinese have pieced together a list of the people with whom Mr. Trump regularly speaks in hopes of using them to influence the president, the officials said.

Among those on the list are Stephen A. Schwarzman, the Blackstone Group chief executive who has endowed a master’s program at Tsinghua University in Beijing, and Steve Wynn, the former Las Vegas casino magnate who used to own a lucrative property in Macau.

The Chinese have identified friends of both men and others among the president’s regulars, and are now relying on Chinese businessmen and others with ties to Beijing to feed arguments to the friends of the Trump friends. The strategy is that those people will pass on what they are hearing, and that Beijing’s views will eventually be delivered to the president by trusted voices, the officials said. They added that the Trump friends were most likely unaware of any Chinese effort.

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Damn, you give someone one item to discuss and this what happens.

Triggered much?

Liberal lemming stops at headline and doesn't use critical thinking so no wonder why they think they're right. I'm not triggered I'm pointing out your ignorance

OTE=DarkShadow;798435]Damn, you give someone one item to discuss and this what happens.

Triggered much?[/QUOTE]

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Liberal lemming stops at headline and doesn't use critical thinking so no wonder why they think they're right. I'm not triggered I'm pointing out your ignorance

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Ok snowflake.

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Ok snowflake.

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I told you I could smoke him out! lol I once smoked out an 400 pound black bear from a cave. Plus an Ultra Conservative who use to post on FNN. You just have to get the right amount of smoke going their way. Them BAM!!! They come right out! lol

With all the crap the Republican party is spewing lately, I'm surprised a good whiff of sewer gas doesn't bring them out in droves.

John

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LOL, when did the education fail people like you and Tucker and the rest of you... use critical thinking much and here is the excerpts from the story and let me unpack it for you because you like to stop at the headlines. SOOO you must be the gullible sap that also believed the chick who said she attended TEN gang rape parties and kept coming back to them so that FINALLY she was raped herself?? Yahhh that makes a lot of sense

Or you must be the sap that read the story from below and determined that the FAKE- made up officials current and former US employees are also now currently working with the Chinese government who happened to trust these idiots so much that they would jeopardize their ability to continue to surveil Trump by telling them these things so that the NYT could run an anti Trump story??? LOL Now I see why SAPS like you keep pointing to Trump's remarks during the campaign as colluding with the Russian... Russia if you have Hillary's email you will be ... rewarded! Gawd you guys are idiots, no idea what sarcasm is.





The current and former officials said they have also determined that China is seeking to use what it is learning from the calls — how Mr. Trump thinks, what arguments tend to sway him and to whom he is inclined to listen — to keep a trade war with the United States from escalating further. In what amounts to a marriage of lobbying and espionage, the Chinese have pieced together a list of the people with whom Mr. Trump regularly speaks in hopes of using them to influence the president, the officials said.

Among those on the list are Stephen A. Schwarzman, the Blackstone Group chief executive who has endowed a master’s program at Tsinghua University in Beijing, and Steve Wynn, the former Las Vegas casino magnate who used to own a lucrative property in Macau.

The Chinese have identified friends of both men and others among the president’s regulars, and are now relying on Chinese businessmen and others with ties to Beijing to feed arguments to the friends of the Trump friends. The strategy is that those people will pass on what they are hearing, and that Beijing’s views will eventually be delivered to the president by trusted voices, the officials said. They added that the Trump friends were most likely unaware of any Chinese effort.

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I'll admit the iPhone story and the Chinese didn't do anything for me. So I have nothing to say on the subject. However, the sexual allegations against Justice Kavanaugh is another story.

I will admit the girl who said about the gang rape party's on the surface, does seem a little far fetched. Only a through investigation by the FBI (which didn't happen) who have shed some light on "that subject."

When it comes to Doctor Ford testimony that's a different subject. (once again a through investigation would have been nice) I'll just say this, in playing the odds, victims of rape rarely get the perpetrator wrong!

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With all the crap the Republican party is spewing lately, I'm surprised a good whiff of sewer gas doesn't bring them out in droves.

John

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Thank you John for your input! It's still so amazing to me, how they think they can get away with such ridiculous lies!

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Another dissertation from the imagination of one E Tucks. Get a little tough I thought they were getting tough, remember all those speeches by Dems encouragingf mobs to form and create a scene and get in the face of Republicans and drive them out? I'm don't have the time and inclination to point out all of your inaccuracies but one jumps out.
The caravan of migrants and soon to be illegal if they crash the border fence are coming from mainland Mexico not up through Baja so no they're not going to be at the Tijuana crossing. Well I guess people in the middle class are not the 1% according to you Tucker because I'm seeing benefits but I guess you know people's situation better than themself? Leave it to a liberal to preach and pretend like they know what's best for everyone else. I know what it is, you're miserable and you want company. You must be gnashing your teeth the last two years, keep on keeping on Tuck, it may turn on Nov 6 but what if it doesn't? What's your plan D Tuck? Maybe we'll see you out on the front lines at a RESIST movement? LOL

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Sorry Steelhead, but the Fake News I listen too (MSNBC) say's the caravan will hit Southern CA. (time will tell us the answer on that one)

The crumbs you got from the great tax give away will expire in 10 years. (the other peoples won't) Plus 83% (which is an accurate number) of the tax savings went to the 1% ers and Rich corporations. If they think that's a fair deal, "you are a fool!"

Come on Steelhead, I thought you knew the difference between a Liberal and a Conservative. A Conservative believes in individualism! (you then have winners and losers) A Liberal believes in trying to make everyone a winner.

So when you say a Liberal thinks they know what's good for everyone. See my definition above??? Which do you think is the correct choice? A Conservative or a Liberal?

So when people chose Conservatism. Yes I guess you can say, we do try to change peoples mind. Do you really think Conservatism is the best choice? If you do, what do you do with the losers?

What's my plan D?

I don't have one! If the Republicans end up controlling the government for 2 more years? Maybe I should just take up drinking! (just to numb myself) Because it will be terrible!

The Democrats will then have their own MAGA hats. Making America great again, after the Republicans screwed it up royally!

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The Democrats will then have their own MAGA hats. Making America great again, after the Republicans screwed it up royally!

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Can't spell HATRED without RED HAT.

Correction: Correct, Erik. Research shows that people rarely, if ever, misidentify their attacker IF the victim knows the attacker. https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americ...save-kavanaugh

Steelhead obviously didn't read this article about traumatic memories. She wasn't lying. She remembered the trauma and the people who were there, and forget all the more trivial stuff, which is quite normal when a person has a traumatic experience.

but.but.but the democrat mouthpiece were chanting the mantra we must believe survivors, according to people like Schumer and Feinstein and all your figureheads everyone that came forward had to be believed??? Ford's testimony was full of holes and she lied under oath, if you say Kavanaugh lied about drinking excessively then Ford ALSO lied about multiple things and then Ford threw her friend under the bus and said she couldn't back up her story because she had medical issues and only followed up that by having her people pressure the friend into changing her statements to corroborate her allegations? What a crock of @#$# and no I don't believe her attempts at being feeble and afraid with the FAKE 12 year old voice

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I'll admit the iPhone story and the Chinese didn't do anything for me. So I have nothing to say on the subject. However, the sexual allegations against Justice Kavanaugh is another story.

I will admit the girl who said about the gang rape party's on the surface, does seem a little far fetched. Only a through investigation by the FBI (which didn't happen) who have shed some light on "that subject."

When it comes to Doctor Ford testimony that's a different subject. (once again a through investigation would have been nice) I'll just say this, in playing the odds, victims of rape rarely get the perpetrator wrong!

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Kavanaugh lied about drinking excessively...

... with the FAKE 12 year old voice

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So, it's fine with you to have a probable liar on the Supreme Court? Since when is lying under oath a Republican value?

What does the sound of a woman't voice have to do with anything? Why not criticize the color of her shoes? You make yourself look like even more of an *** (and a misogynistic one at that) with this statement.

John

Lying became a Republican value when they found out that it could help them attain their goal of political domination.

Becuzzz it was a fake voice meant to elicit sympathy you moron. She also lied under oath but in your world it wouldn't be lying it would be she forgot or she got certain details mixed up. Point is the burden of proof is on the accuser or do you believe in the mantra "we must believe the survivors"!??? He lied about drinking excessively? He lied about drinking when he was underage? OHH no that's a cardinal sin. NOT. You wreak of desperation.

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So, it's fine with you to have a probable liar on the Supreme Court? Since when is lying under oath a Republican value?

What does the sound of a woman't voice have to do with anything? Why not criticize the color of her shoes? You make yourself look like even more of an *** (and a misogynistic one at that) with this statement.

John

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Becuzzz it was a fake voice meant to elicit sympathy you moron. She also lied under oath but in your world it wouldn't be lying it would be she forgot or she got certain details mixed up. Point is the burden of proof is on the accuser or do you believe in the mantra "we must believe the survivors"!??? He lied about drinking excessively? He lied about drinking when he was underage? OHH no that's a cardinal sin. NOT. You wreak of desperation.

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I know this wasn't address to me but you brought up a point I never heard. Are you saying Doctor Ford's girly voice was fake????? Like Michael Jackson's voice???? If you did, where did you get that from? (that's news to me)

About Kavanaugh lying under oath to the Senate hearing members. (we all know he did lie) As for the gravity of that, shouldn't his own peers in the Law profession be the best judge of that? (not you or me?) So with that being said, shouldn't the petition of 2,400 Law professors end any doubt that Kavanaugh wasn't fit to sit on the highest court in the land?

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Originally Posted by etucker1959

I should also add in fear mongering! Remember when I told everyone about the enlarged portion of the brain that Conservatives have? (the part that controls fear and anxiety) Listen to Trumps speeches, he throws out scare tactics all over the place. Why because his base just eats that up with their brain defects! I watch Fox News and all over the place they too use fear tactics just like the president does. I guess they read the same articles too, about their bases brain defects. When are the Democrats going to start to exploit that weakness in the Republicans? You know what the biggest problem the Democrats have is, their just too nice! Get a little tough and they will start to win elections again.

Let's get back to the Republican lies they are running on.

The Republicans should be running on their accomplishments. I'll give them the biggest accomplishment they got is the courts. (but that doesn't get too many people very excited) The economy is another thing they could try to run on, but their base didn't really get that much of an improvement. (they might have a job at low wages, but their wages didn't go up very much) Their base doesn't own a lot of stocks either (in 2018 they made nothing even if they did own any) and the great tax cut went to the 1%ers. So what do they have to run on? I'll tell you what!

LIES LIES AND LIES!!!!

Let's go over some of the big ones.

The caravan of people coming from Central America is a good one. You get 2 for one with this one. You get the fear working overtime with this one. Trump and Fox News say's it full of MS 13 gang members and Middle Eastern terrorist. Their going to hit Tijuana and crash through the gates. Then causing mayhem all through out the San Diego area! Of course the Democrats organized this caravan and is going to welcome these people with open arms! Only Trump and the US army can stop them with the Republican Congress people blessing. What a crock! Once the Mid terms are over, you won't even hear much about them!

This one was told by Trump recently. Did you hear about all the Rioting done in California? What Rioting I thought?? But when you tell the "Big Lie" it works better then the small lie. He's base must be really stupid to believe that one! You would see pictures all over the news if it really happened!

Here's another lie Trump is telling. He'll have a middle class tax cut ready by Nov 1. Sorry but Congress isn't even in session. How dumb must his base be to believe that???

Here's the last big one their all telling. Trump, Congress people and the Republican Governors.

The single biggest most important issue that has most people concerned is Health Care. (Obama Care leads the list on this one) Obama Care is more popular then any other single issue. Economy, Guns, Abortion rights etc. (this was conducted and confirmed by a Fox News poll) So what are these Republican going to do now? They voted to Kill Obama Care 70 times and promised if re elected to get it done this time. (plus there is also an law suit to kill Obama Care) Of course the single most important part of Obama Care (if you don't count giving 20 million people health insurance) is you can't discriminant against pre existing conditions.

So what now are all these Republicans saying about preserving pre existing conditions. There all in favor of that, even though the only law that protects pre existing conditions is, (wait for it) OBAMA CARE!!!! Now how are you going to protect pre existing conditions and kill Obama Care at the same time??? You can't, so you are just LYING YOUR FACE OFF to your own constituents.

Why anyone who isn't a 1% er who votes Republican is an Idiot!!!!! They are now going to go after your Social Security and Medicare to pay for their tax cuts to the 1% ers. Plus to pay for their deficit spending they will impose a VAT tax on all goods! (Federal sales tax)

So why on God's Earth do the Republicans control all branches of government is be on me. It's no guarantee they still won't after the Mid terms. But if they do, they got there by lying their hiney's off and the dumb Rubes believed them!

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If you like your doctor. You can keep your doctor. If you like your health plan you can keep it. Lie

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If you like your doctor. You can keep your doctor. If you like your health plan you can keep it. Lie

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Considering the Obama Care bill was over 2,000 pages and how it was going act in a real market sense. A few mis spoken statements was inevitable! But to claim now by so many Republican Congress people, that they favor giving protections to people with pre existing conditions. How are they going to do that? At the same time deny they voted dozens of times to kill Obama Care, which gave protections to people with pre existing conditions. (without a suitable replacement)

Chucky, their just lying to you with evil intentions. They want your vote and have no intentions of helping you. Obama on the other hand, came up with a program that gave 30 million people Health Insurance who didn't have it before. Is that evil???? You are making a false comparison!

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Chucky, their just lying to you with evil intentions. They want your vote and have no intentions of helping you. Obama on the other hand, came up with a program that gave 30 million people Health Insurance who didn't have it before. Is that evil???? You are making a false comparison!

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eTucker1959 seems like Chucky is right and on to something. If Obama cared about getting insurance to 30 million it would have been significantly less costly and disruptive to give it to those 30 million than to force a major change on everyone else (300 million others).

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eTucker1959 seems like Chucky is right and on to something. If Obama cared about getting insurance to 30 million it would have been significantly less costly and disruptive to give it to those 30 million than to force a major change on everyone else (300 million others).

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If you look at how Obama Care was structured. It was the perfect compromise! To get certain things, you had to give up certain things. Plus the Republicans put in dozens of amendments to the Bill. It was intended to get Bipartisan support. It didn't get any Republicans to vote for the Bill. However, as I stated earlier the Republicans got many of their idea's added to the bill.

Obama Care was no means perfect, but it was better then what we had before! It's still not too late to try to make it better!

Not like what the Republicans have done in the last 2 years. They don't give the Democrats 1 ounce of input! They've got the votes and just blast their agenda through!

The Democrats really are the nice guys! The Republicans are totally Bully's! They are willing to lie, cheat and steal to get there way in politics!

No, Chucky is not onto something. If Republicans really cared about Americans having good healthcare, they would have allowed expansion of Medicare to include everyone. All that would be needed would be to raise taxes on the wealthy a bit, but they wouldn't allow that. They lowered taxes instead when given the chance. Medicare for all would have reduced medical costs greatly for the public as a whole and ultimately saved this nation a great deal of $$$. This is basically the way that it's done in most nations. Those who still want private insurance for additional coverage can still buy it.


Obama was actually way too nice to the Republican bullies and tried to work with them, but they only want to obstruct any progress that helps anyone other than their wealthy overlords.

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eTucker1959 seems like Chucky is right and on to something. If Obama cared about getting insurance to 30 million it would have been significantly less costly and disruptive to give it to those 30 million than to force a major change on everyone else (300 million others).

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I thought about what you said a little more. I think what you're really implying is, that you feel we "were better off" as a whole prior to Obama Care. Well just about all the impartial experts and now a majority of the population doesn't feel that way now!

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No, Chucky is not onto something. If Republicans really cared about Americans having good healthcare, they would have allowed expansion of Medicare to include everyone. All that would be needed would be to raise taxes on the wealthy a bit, but they wouldn't allow that. They lowered taxes instead when given the chance. Medicare for all would have reduced medical costs greatly for the public as a whole and ultimately saved this nation a great deal of $$$. This is basically the way that it's done in most nations. Those who still want private insurance for additional coverage can still buy it.


Obama was actually way too nice to the Republican bullies and tried to work with them, but they only want to obstruct any progress that helps anyone other than their wealthy overlords.

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Here Here to all that!

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I thought about what you said a little more. I think what you're really implying is, that you feel we "were better off" as a whole prior to Obama Care. Well just about all the impartial experts and now a majority of the population doesn't feel that way now!

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Yes in that insurance premiums we're so much less before. Nothing has changed tangibly after Obama Care that is positive for me or others previously insured except the idea that it feels good that some folks who want health insurance but couldn't get it (preexisting conditions, etc.) can get it now.

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Originally Posted by anchor3n1

Yes in that insurance premiums we're so much less before. Nothing has changed tangibly after Obama Care that is positive for me or others previously insured except the idea that it feels good that some folks who want health insurance but couldn't get it (preexisting conditions, etc.) can get it now.

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I thought you might respond that way! In other words your employer pays for your Health Insurance and you haven't had any major Health issues in your family.

That reminds me of the story of an natural disaster hitting somewhere and 1,000 people must be evacuated by water. Everyone is quietly standing in line waiting their turn to board. You being about the 500 person in line makes you a little anxious. Once you are on board, "you breath a sigh of relief!" After a short period of time, you start yelling at everyone that they should pull up the ladder now and leave because you are already on the boat! lol

[QUOTE=etucker1959;798516]I thought you might respond that way! In other words your employer pays for your Health Insurance and you haven't had any major Health issues in your family..../QUOTE]


Nope


I am the employer.









I was hoping that you wouldn't jump to conclusions or assumptions like that but instead discuss facts rather than feelings.





















To continue covering the employees (who are important to me), Health Insurance expense has doubled and continues each year to go up significantly due to Obama Care. Nothing has changed/improved just the costs.































It might feel good that now 30 million are covered (who weren't before, etc.) especially if there's no skin off one's teeth to see that happen but -----












1.) Employers who care about their employees get stuck with subsidizing (with all the consequences that huge increases in operating costs entail)











2.) the national debt increases since the government hasn't seen fit to fund Obama care subsides through personal income taxes increases. So every individual doesn't feel the "bite" of Obama care's costs (unless you are an employer:Neutral:)

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Originally Posted by etucker1959

I thought you might respond that way! In other words your employer pays for your Health Insurance and you haven't had any major Health issues in your family.

That reminds me of the story of an natural disaster hitting somewhere and 1,000 people must be evacuated by water. Everyone is quietly standing in line waiting their turn to board. You being about the 500 person in line makes you a little anxious. Once you are on board, "you breath a sigh of relief!" After a short period of time, you start yelling at everyone that they should pull up the ladder now and leave because you are already on the boat! lol

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We have to pay more for the people that cannot. Got it. Spread the wealth. Socialized medicine. We pay more who cannot afford. Is medical insurance a right? Or should you have to work harder for everyone else to have it too?

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Originally Posted by CHUCKY

We have to pay more for the people that cannot. Got it. Spread the wealth. Socialized medicine. We pay more who cannot afford. Is medical insurance a right? Or should you have to work harder for everyone else to have it too?

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Seems like Chucky is right (again) and on to something




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Originally Posted by etucker1959

I thought you might respond that way! In other words your employer pays for your Health Insurance and you haven't had any major Health issues in your family..../QUOTE]


Nope


I am the employer.









I was hoping that you wouldn't jump to conclusions or assumptions like that but instead discuss facts rather than feelings.





















To continue covering the employees (who are important to me), Health Insurance expense has doubled and continues each year to go up significantly due to Obama Care. Nothing has changed/improved just the costs.































It might feel good that now 30 million are covered (who weren't before, etc.) especially if there's no skin off one's teeth to see that happen but -----












1.) Employers who care about their employees get stuck with subsidizing (with all the consequences that huge increases in operating costs entail)











2.) the national debt increases since the government hasn't seen fit to fund Obama care subsides through personal income taxes increases. So every individual doesn't feel the "bite" of Obama care's costs (unless you are an employer:Neutral:)

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Boom! Right on the money

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Originally Posted by etucker1959

If you look at how Obama Care was structured. It was the perfect compromise! To get certain things, you had to give up certain things.

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What things did I get?

Higher costs??





Any thing else besides the privilege to subsidize others and the good feelings I get that my dollars get to pay for others insurance so they don't have to?



And I get this good feeling without any choice?

































I guess your right -- I did get some things.

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Originally Posted by anchor3n1

What things did I get?

Higher costs?? Any thing else besides the privilege to subsidize others and the good feelings I get that my dollars get to pay for others insurance so they don't have to?

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You are on point dude!!!!

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Originally Posted by CHUCKY

You are on point dude!!!!

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Yup!



Chucky is on to something!!!!

Here is an analysis of the effect of Obamacare by Time Magazine. Overall, it appears to be assessed as positive. But what most nations have works a lot better.


Perhaps anchor3n1 was onto one thing. Taxes on the wealthy ought to be raised in order to pay for healthcare and keep the burden off employers. But look at what Congress did under Republican control; they lowered taxes on the rich i.e. themselves.

http://time.com/money/4503325/obama-...sts-obamacare/

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Originally Posted by Natural Lefty

Here is an analysis of the effect of Obamacare by Time Magazine. Overall, it appears to be assessed as positive. But what most nations have works a lot better.


Perhaps anchor3n1 was onto one thing. Taxes on the wealthy ought to be raised in order to pay for healthcare and keep the burden off employers. But look at what Congress did under Republican control; they lowered taxes on the rich i.e. themselves.

http://time.com/money/4503325/obama-...sts-obamacare/

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Why should the rich have to pay for the poor? Socialism. Ok. Got it.

You keep saying the wealthy, well the wealthy based on Obamacare were the people firmly in the middle class who ended up paying more and still having deductibles through the roof so that even though they paid a higher premium still got less coverage than the free riders who got subsidized. Yep, creating class warfare between the low wage earners and middle class while using the fake news media to suggest that this was a a fight between the top 1% and the poor. Conflating the issues and you and Lefty are too blind to see it because you take MSNBC and Time Magazine as gospel! LOL

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Originally Posted by Natural Lefty

Here is an analysis of the effect of Obamacare by Time Magazine. Overall, it appears to be assessed as positive. But what most nations have works a lot better.


Perhaps anchor3n1 was onto one thing. Taxes on the wealthy ought to be raised in order to pay for healthcare and keep the burden off employers. But look at what Congress did under Republican control; they lowered taxes on the rich i.e. themselves.

http://time.com/money/4503325/obama-...sts-obamacare/

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