The Confederate Flag

[DarkShadow]

So, it seems people have doubled down after the last events that have occurred.

What are your thoughts on people rocking the Confederate flag, much like a member here who has embraced it (the only member, I will say)

http://i.imgur.com/8LZr6hQ.jpg

[seal]

I think that most of us So Cal boys have no idea the reasons why southerners love the flag and what the the flag stands for to them. Some that have never lived or even visited the area seem certain that all those hillbilly's and ignorant southerners must all be racists and bigots and it is our duty to tell them not to fly the flag.

What's more important to me though is that damn Washington football team's name! To someone with a little native blood surging thru his veins I am outraged and we must get them to change that name!

Honestly I could give a damn about either subject, Cali has enough of it's own issues.

[DEVOREFLYER]

My avatar is NO LESS and NO MORE than my visual protest of the overly PC direction our country is going. History is history and should never be rewritten or forgotten so we do not make the same mistakes again. It’s not stopping with a flag, Civil War monuments and statues are being asked to be removed, schools, buildings, bridges and streets renamed. Where does it end and what will be banned next. Never letting a crisis go to waste to push anyone’s agenda is just wrong. That’s why I changed my avatar and it will remain until sanity returns if ever.

Most do not realize that Saturday July the 4th holiday was the day that the Colonies declared via the Declaration of Independence the Colonies SECESSION from England.

The Confederate States of America was established in the exact same manner as The United States of America using the exact same process as the 13 colonies used in 1776 to secede from England. Many have missed that there was a secession convention held in 1814 in Stanford CT by the New England States, at which they voted to NOT secede. Responding to Andrew Jackson’s unconstitutional taxation/tariff laws, the South started a secession convention, to which the Democrat controlled congress sent former president, then Senator John Q. Adams, to negotiate a peaceful solution. In 1854 then Representative A. Lincoln said on the floor of the house, that secession was legal. The War of 1861 was a war of oppression. The government using force against those whom disagreed with it is a fact.

There were TWO secessions at the time. The seven Deep South States seceded. When A. Lincoln announced that he was going to, unconstitutionally as congress was not sitting and according to Article I of the U.S. Constitution ONLY congress could raise an army, raise an army and invade the Deep South, Virginia and the other border states announced that no federal army would be permitted to invade their sovereign States. Lincoln ignored the constitution, raised an army, and unconstitutionally invaded the Sovereign Commonwealth of Virginia.

After Antietam/ Sharpsburg, both Britain and France, appalled at the number of casualties, had decided to recognize the independence of The Confederate States of America, thereby ending the war. Lincoln unconstitutionally delivered his Emancipation Proclamation (an executive order) thus changing the basis of his illegal acts from secession to slavery, thereby forestalling Britain and France. The notes of his Cabinet Meeting where he discussed this stratagem clearly show that his cabinet thought it unconstitutional. His Emancipation Proclamation was unconstitutional as his premise for the war in the first place was that secession was illegal, and thus he was still president of the states having seceded. This legal farce prevented the Emancipation Proclamation from being legal because it violated both The 4th Amendment, and the SCOTUS decision in Scott v Davis.

Keep in mind that what is now happening in Ukraine, is very similar to that of 1860. What happened with the old Soviet Union, was that those held in thrall seceded!!! As Thomas Paine wrote in Common Sense and The Rights of Man, and Thomas Jefferson and Franklin’s Corresponding Committee declared in The Declaration of Independence, free people have the right of self-government.

The War of 1861 was about self-government, not slavery.
Oh and about the recent Supreme Court decisions. This is not the first time that the Supreme Court has issued an immoral or unjust ruling. In 1857, the Court ruled in the infamous Dred Scott v Sandford case that African Americans could not become citizens of the United States and determined that the government was powerless to reject slavery. In 1927 the Court effectively endorsed eugenics by ruling that people with mental illness and other “defectives” could be sterilized against their will, saying “three generations of imbeciles are enough.”

We live in a far from perfect world and chasing Rainbows and Unicorns aren’t the solution to correcting our problems.

[Lady Quagga]

Personally, I think embracing Dixiecrat culture is faaaaaaabulous!

[DarkShadow]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8L6GDynW4zU

In lieu of copy and pasting someone else's reply, I leave you with this.

Thank you Devore for that epic explanation on why you are rocking the Confederate flag in your avatar. The history lesson was quite impressive.

[BlueGillChaser]

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[DarkShadow]

No caption needed
You werent swayed with Devore's history lesson?!

No worries, Hawgz will explain.

[HawgZWylde]

You werent swayed with Devore's history lesson?!

No worries, Hawgz will explain.

Why bother? To liberals, ignorance and apathy is bliss. With that being said this is your thread and Dev responded factually yet you deflect from rebutting his post avoiding having to counter his thoughts and facts. Then you dangle a carrot in order to bring me onto your thread. Troll much DS? This is my one and only post on this troll thread so cherish it Homey.

http://i.imgur.com/vOfmdYM.jpg

Both under attack by the left;
http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l144/tammiys/Savy%20Club/ProudAmericanandConfederate.jpg (http://media.photobucket.com/user/tammiys/media/Savy%20Club/ProudAmericanandConfederate.jpg.html)

[BlueGillChaser]

There both raciest lol
You werent swayed with Devore's history lesson?!

No worries, Hawgz will explain.

[seal]

There both raciest lol

Raciest? I'm not sure if that was a compliment or a put down?

[BlueGillChaser]

Both!!!!!!!!!


Raciest? I'm not sure if that was a compliment or a put down?

[DarkShadow]

I see Tweedleumb joined in.

A fan of reconciliation, Hawgz?

Or are you completely oblivious to how ironic it is to be waving the Confederate flag next to the US flag?

[Lady Quagga]

I see Tweedleumb joined in.

A fan of reconciliation, Hawgz?

Or are you completely oblivious to how ironic it is to be waving the Confederate flag next to the US flag?

Don't expect logic from Hawggy. He's just getting in touch with his Thurmond Republican roots.

And Dev's history lesson on the "true" motivations behind the War of Northern Aggression....er, the War for Southern Independence....er, the Civil War? It was cute, but it doesn't address the resurgence of the use of the Stars and Bars as a symbol of white-supremacist, segregationist South, particularly during the Civil Rights era.

That it's now been turned into a symbol protesting "overreaching government" shows you just the kind of ulterior scumbaggery closets racists will resort to try and reinject their symbol into national politics.

[DEVOREFLYER]

In FREE AMERICA a merchant would not have this happen by a bank because his merchandise all of a sudden isn't PC.

http://www.proudrebel.com/merchantstop.htm

Nor would a baker expressing their religious objection have this happen.

http://dailysignal.com/2015/07/02/state-silences-bakers-who-refused-to-make-cake-for-lesbian-couple-fines-them-135k/?utm_source=heritagefoundation&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=morningbell&mkt_tok=3RkMMJWWfF9wsRogvanIZKXonjHpfsX66uolUa62lM I%2F0ER3fOvrPUfGjI4IScRrI%2BSLDwEYGJlv6SgFQrLBMa1o zrgOWxU%3D

[Lady Quagga]

In FREE AMERICA a merchant would not have this happen by a bank because his merchandise all of a sudden isn't PC.

http://www.proudrebel.com/merchantstop.htm

Nor would a baker expressing their religious objection have this happen.

http://dailysignal.com/2015/07/02/state-silences-bakers-who-refused-to-make-cake-for-lesbian-couple-fines-them-135k/?utm_source=heritagefoundation&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=morningbell&mkt_tok=3RkMMJWWfF9wsRogvanIZKXonjHpfsX66uolUa62lM I%2F0ER3fOvrPUfGjI4IScRrI%2BSLDwEYGJlv6SgFQrLBMa1o zrgOWxU%3D

Leaders Merchant Services didn't violate any anti-discriminatory laws when it discontinued its partnership with Proud Rebel. Sweet Cakes by Melissa did when they refused service to Rachel and Laurel Bowman-Cryer.

And once again: Dev's "FREE AMERICA" bitching demonstrates how the confederate flag has been turned into a symbol protesting "overreaching government", and shows you just the kind of ulterior scumbaggery closet racists will resort to try and reinject their symbol into national politics, thereby masking the still-existent undercurrent of bigotry which drove it's resurgence in the first place.

[DockRat]

I say take off those Rebel Flag Bikini's ! How Offensive !
http://i306.photobucket.com/albums/nn249/hanshew86/BikiniRebelWoman02.jpg (http://media.photobucket.com/user/hanshew86/media/BikiniRebelWoman02.jpg.html)http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd93/Littlegixxer_sixxer07/Myspace%20Pics/ConfederateFlagBikiniGirlHot.jpg (http://media.photobucket.com/user/Littlegixxer_sixxer07/media/Myspace%20Pics/ConfederateFlagBikiniGirlHot.jpg.html)http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t8/uh2214/southerngirl.jpg (http://media.photobucket.com/user/uh2214/media/southerngirl.jpg.html)
http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg294/vicious_rellik/REDNECK/black_confederates.jpg (http://media.photobucket.com/user/vicious_rellik/media/REDNECK/black_confederates.jpg.html)

[smokehound]

So, it seems people have doubled down after the last events that have occurred.

What are your thoughts on people rocking the Confederate flag, much like a member here who has embraced it (the only member, I will say)

http://i.imgur.com/8LZr6hQ.jpgthe saddest part about this lunacy is that's not even the confederate flag. that's the southern cross, the flag of the tennessee army.

The true confederate flag resembles the flag pictured on the right, but with a circle of stars. people are stupid and simply hop on the bandwagon. these same exact people would join in on boycotts against an orange sky simply because the media said so. As a result historical landmarks are being butchered. Like it or not, that flag is still a part of our history, and a very important one at that.

The irony is the nazi swastika is still on everything related to nazis in the media. Very strange.

[tpfishnfool]

Bars and Stars ! Keep Flying !

[trail blazer]

Iv gotta put my 2cents in cant help it.


As far as the cross flag,,That flag was taken down by a more American flag of equality, The stars and stripes,,,,,,,,it should have never flown again imop,,

Only 3 flags should fly on any Fed or state bldg.,,,,The Stars and stripes,,,AND< the only flag aloud to fly at the same height>yes there is one<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<,,and the state flag,,,But not the southern cross

Somehow in my mind it<The S,Cross still represents race descrimination to me,and always has,,And that's coming from a south tx man.



TRAIL BLAZER

[DEVOREFLYER]

My avatar is NO LESS and NO MORE than my visual protest of the overly PC direction our country is going. History is history and should never be rewritten or forgotten so we do not make the same mistakes again. It’s not stopping with a flag, Civil War monuments and statues are being asked to be removed, schools, buildings, bridges and streets renamed. Where does it end and what will be banned next. Never letting a crisis go to waste to push anyone’s agenda is just wrong. That’s why I changed my avatar and it will remain until sanity returns if ever.
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My original post was NOT about and is NOT about any agreement about slavery or those who practiced it. It was about anything including the Confederate flag not being PC being banned or condemned.
I too have many relatives from or presently living in Texas. I unfortunately will be missing our annual reunion in Texas next weekend due to medical issues my wife has. My oldest son lives in Mount Pleasant, I have cousins that live in Houston, San Antonio, Van, Silverton and Amarillo Texas. I am going to miss the BBQ brisket, fried chicken livers, fried okra and homemade peach ice cream among the other goodies that family brings.
I know of no relative that owns or flies the Confederate flag, nor do I. I do however have relatives that fly one or the other of these two flags. It is a flag that they have out of remembrance and not hate. Being from Texas I am sure you recognize the history and symbolism of these flags. But I am sure haters are gonna hate it's what they do. We should never erase events or symbols of our history so that it does not happen again.

Only in Texas does the state flag fly at the same height as Old Glory. It's Texas way of saying they are subservient to no one but God.

http://i.imgur.com/ucB8Wts.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/7gQP0Td.gif

[TroutOnly]

but mike they want to erase anything they don't like............my ancesters fought on both sides of the civil war and died ,so I respect both sides for fighting and dieing in what they beleaved in............and I will not dishonor either side.............

[trail blazer]

my reply wasn't meant to bash you in any way devo,,,,just my opinion on the cross,,,,iv never liked it and never will just my opinion,,,,,i personally believe that only on flag should ever fly as high as old glory and that's the Christian flag during church services,,,,JMO also

I have some distant relatives that fly the cross sometimes and it has always been a thorn in my side to say the least I hate it!

I come from a military family of brothers and fath and so on,,,,

I do believe people are entitled to there opinion and this is mine

[dhntr48]

I still want a General Lee Charger

[DEVOREFLYER]

No problem that's what the "First Amendment" is all about, our right to express an opinion and our right to disagree. And of course the "Second Amendment" is to insure our right to the first. By the way things are going in time we may well be using the Second to insure the God part of the First is not removed.

[Stinkbait]

Of note, if you believe what has been expressed about the Stars and Bars, should we not change/take down our current Stars and Stripes as well because slavery was allowd under it for a hundred years prior to the Stars and Bars?

If you are going to disregard the 10s of thousands of AMERICANS that died under the Stars and Bars because some believe it is associated with an acceptance of slavery, then you should take that thinking to the Nth degree and change our current flag too.

[Peestick]

liberals must hate having freedom to think and do as they please.

[TroutOnly]

..............lol................youre right mike...................

[DEVOREFLYER]

My oh my isn't this a Confederate flag on the shelf of the "First Woman President" wannabe. Eh what difference does it make.

http://i.imgur.com/fkyoWLb.jpg (http://imgur.com/fkyoWLb)

[etucker1959]

liberals must hate having freedom to think and do as they please.
Interesting thought, since true Conservatism believes in forced Conformity!!!!! (to their way of thinking of course) If you don't believe that, you can't argue against that all good Conservatives believe in the means to force Conformity. Strong police force, tough laws, Prisons to house the people who won't conform and a strong Military to force other country's to conform to whatever WE believe in!!!!!!

[Brent]

Racist's are ignorant hateful people and NOTHING you can say or do will convince them that they are wrong or for that matter racists. The "I have a black friend" argument does not fly.
Regardless of what the convoluted "facts" are regarding the flag. EVERYONE knows what it's symbolizes and that's the issue, so you closet racists jacka$$es quit trying to hide behind political correctness 'values' and shove that sorry Racist Confederate Flag up your bungholes! And yes I grew up in Texas and know FULL WELL what that damn flag stands for.

[Brent]

my reply wasn't meant to bash you in any way devo,,,,just my opinion on the cross,,,,iv never liked it and never will just my opinion,,,,,i personally believe that only on flag should ever fly as high as old glory and that's the Christian flag during church services,,,,JMO also

I have some distant relatives that fly the cross sometimes and it has always been a thorn in my side to say the least I hate it!

I come from a military family of brothers and fath and so on,,,,

I do believe people are entitled to there opinion and this is mine

Very well said TB. I too am from Texas and feel the same way about the flag and do know what it 'symbolizes' in the south and it does NOT symbolize equality and politeness.

[Brent]

My oh my isn't this a Confederate flag on the shelf of the "First Woman President" wannabe. Eh what difference does it make.

http://i.imgur.com/fkyoWLb.jpg (http://imgur.com/fkyoWLb)

On this Dev, you and I are in 100% agreement. How about that?
I can't stand the Tea Bagger philosophy, but I can't stand her either.

[City Dad]

woa four pages and no lock???? that's dang impressive given the topic!

[dpaulus9]

woa four pages and no lock???? that's dang impressive given the topic!

thats why i havent posted anything on this topic. i have 2 veiws of that flag but some people cant get past the hate. but its been a good read

[DarkShadow]

woa four pages and no lock???? that's dang impressive given the topic!

Hey, I've learned a lot thanks the discourse on this thread. No need to lock a thread where so much is being exchanged.


i have 2 veiws of that flag but some people cant get past the hate.

Oh, do share those views. Sharing is caring.

[fly addict]

The many on the left also consider this flag racist, classic bitchin about style over substance.
http://i305.photobucket.com/albums/nn235/one2use/az_fi_zps6kbtw7vm.gif (http://s305.photobucket.com/user/one2use/media/az_fi_zps6kbtw7vm.gif.html)

[Lady Quagga]

Of note, if you believe what has been expressed about the Stars and Bars, should we not change/take down our current Stars and Stripes as well because slavery was allowd under it for a hundred years prior to the Stars and Bars?

If you are going to disregard the 10s of thousands of AMERICANS that died under the Stars and Bars because some believe it is associated with an acceptance of slavery, then you should take that thinking to the Nth degree and change our current flag too.

That makes about three-fifths sense.

[Lady Quagga]

The many on the left also consider this flag racist, classic bitchin about style over substance.
http://i305.photobucket.com/albums/nn235/one2use/az_fi_zps6kbtw7vm.gif (http://s305.photobucket.com/user/one2use/media/az_fi_zps6kbtw7vm.gif.html)

http://s17.postimg.org/yudrbcg7v/citationneeded.jpg

[Lady Quagga]

Boy you are a fool, Dev.

Next time do a little fact-checking before sharing your idiotic gullibility for all the world to see.

http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2015/jul/07/dinesh-dsouza/hillary-clinton-confederate-battle-flag-nope-old-i/


My oh my isn't this a Confederate flag on the shelf of the "First Woman President" wannabe. Eh what difference does it make.

http://i.imgur.com/fkyoWLb.jpg (http://imgur.com/fkyoWLb)

[DarkShadow]

That makes about three-fifths sense.

Over/Under on how many people actually understand that reference?

I say about 4.5.

[Brent]

Over/Under on how many people actually understand that reference?

I say about 4.5.

I say 60/11th's

[HawgZWylde]

Boy you are a fool, Dev.

Next time do a little fact-checking before sharing your idiotic gullibility for all the world to see.

http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2015/jul/07/dinesh-dsouza/hillary-clinton-confederate-battle-flag-nope-old-i/

Meh, minor detail.

What truly shows the lefts hypocrisy is how they ignore the fact that their leading candidate Her Hilariousness just gave a campaign speech at the Virginia demoratic party's Jefferson/Jackson dinner that honors both men, who were both slave owners. Most of the MSM buried the story...

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/hillary-speak-event-named-after-slave-owners_977773.html

[DarkShadow]

Meh, minor detail.

What truly shows the lefts hypocrisy is how they ignore the fact that their leading candidate Her Hilariousness just gave a campaign speech at the Virginia demoratic party's Jefferson/Jackson dinner that honors both men, who were both slave owners. Most of the MSM buried the story...

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/hillary-speak-event-named-after-slave-owners_977773.html

First, I didn't know this thread was about Hillary.

Secondly, photoshopping a flag that wasn't there in order to attack her character is a 'minor detail?' You keep showing your true colors, Hawgz, from your avatar to your responses. (BTW, I hope both of you keep both of your avatars for a long time, you know, for the 'cause.')

I preferred when you made inflammatory statements, then said you wouldn't post anymore in fear of someone calling you out on your BS (which you have conveniently incorrectly defined as 'trolling'.) Yet you'll address a false statement made by one of your cronies, which was obviously done to steer the thread off course, by saying it was a 'minor detail' when they called out, and then continue the tired trend by posting a link that has nothing to do with the topic at hand?

Shouldn't you be telling us more about Southern Pride and how the flag doesn't represent a certain mentality that was prevalent with the region and the time?

[Lady Quagga]

Meh, minor detail.

What truly shows the lefts hypocrisy is how they ignore the fact that their leading candidate Her Hilariousness just gave a campaign speech at the Virginia demoratic party's Jefferson/Jackson dinner that honors both men, who were both slave owners. Most of the MSM buried the story...

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/hillary-speak-event-named-after-slave-owners_977773.html

"Minor detail." So, if I was to say your German heritage is rife with Nazism, could I dismiss the fact that your family was part of the "other Germans" as a "minor detail"?

Hawggy, you've been fudging your pants about maintaining the legacy of the Founding Fathers for some time now. If you choose to extol their virtues, then by your very own standards you must embrace their slave-owning legacy as well. Unless you're being your usual hypocritical twit self.

[DEVOREFLYER]

Slave history that they don't teach in school.

They came as slaves; vast human cargo transported on tall British ships bound for the Americas. They were shipped by the hundreds of thousands and included men, women, and even the youngest of children.

Whenever they rebelled or even disobeyed an order, they were punished in the harshest ways. Slave owners would hang their human property by their hands and set their hands or feet on fire as one form of punishment. They were burned alive and had their heads placed on pikes in the marketplace as a warning to other captives.

We don’t really need to go through all of the gory details, do we? We know all too well the atrocities of the African slave trade.

But, are we talking about African slavery? King James II and Charles I also led a continued effort to enslave the Irish. Britain’s famed Oliver Cromwell furthered this practice of dehumanizing one’s next door neighbor.

The Irish slave trade began when James II sold 30,000 Irish prisoners as slaves to the New World. His Proclamation of 1625 required Irish political prisoners be sent overseas and sold to English settlers in the West Indies. By the mid 1600s, the Irish were the main slaves sold to Antigua and Montserrat. At that time, 70% of the total population of Montserrat were Irish slaves.

Ireland quickly became the biggest source of human livestock for English merchants. The majority of the early slaves to the New World were actually white.

From 1641 to 1652, over 500,000 Irish were killed by the English and another 300,000 were sold as slaves. Ireland’s population fell from about 1,500,000 to 600,000 in one single decade. Families were ripped apart as the British did not allow Irish dads to take their wives and children with them across the Atlantic. This led to a helpless population of homeless women and children. Britain’s solution was to auction them off as well.

During the 1650s, over 100,000 Irish children between the ages of 10 and 14 were taken from their parents and sold as slaves in the West Indies, Virginia and New England. In this decade, 52,000 Irish (mostly women and children) were sold to Barbados and Virginia. Another 30,000 Irish men and women were also transported and sold to the highest bidder. In 1656, Cromwell ordered that 2000 Irish children be taken to Jamaica and sold as slaves to English settlers.

Many people today will avoid calling the Irish slaves what they truly were: Slaves. They’ll come up with terms like “Indentured Servants” to describe what occurred to the Irish. However, in most cases from the 17th and 18th centuries, Irish slaves were nothing more than human cattle.

As an example, the African slave trade was just beginning during this same period. It is well recorded that African slaves, not tainted with the stain of the hated Catholic theology and more expensive to purchase, were often treated far better than their Irish counterparts.

African slaves were very expensive during the late 1600s (50 Sterling). Irish slaves came cheap (no more than 5 Sterling). If a planter whipped or branded or beat an Irish slave to death, it was never a crime. A death was a monetary setback, but far cheaper than killing a more expensive African. The English masters quickly began breeding the Irish women for both their own personal pleasure and for greater profit. Children of slaves were themselves slaves, which increased the size of the master’s free workforce. Even if an Irish woman somehow obtained her freedom, her kids would remain slaves of her master. Thus, Irish moms, even with this new found emancipation, would seldom abandon their kids and would remain in servitude.

In time, the English thought of a better way to use these women (in many cases, girls as young as 12) to increase their market share: The settlers began to breed Irish women and girls with African men to produce slaves with a distinct complexion. These new “mulatto” slaves brought a higher price than Irish livestock and, likewise, enabled the settlers to save money rather than purchase new African slaves. This practice of interbreeding Irish females with African men went on for several decades and was so widespread that, in 1681, legislation was passed “forbidding the practice of mating Irish slave women to African slave men for the purpose of producing slaves for sale.” In short, it was stopped only because it interfered with the profits of a large slave transport company.

England continued to ship tens of thousands of Irish slaves for more than a century. Records state that, after the 1798 Irish Rebellion, thousands of Irish slaves were sold to both America and Australia. There were horrible abuses of both African and Irish captives. One British ship even dumped 1,302 slaves into the Atlantic Ocean so that the crew would have plenty of food to eat.

There is little question that the Irish experienced the horrors of slavery as much (if not more in the 17th Century) as the Africans did. There is, also, very little question that those brown, tanned faces you witness in your travels to the West Indies are very likely a combination of African and Irish ancestry. In 1839, Britain finally decided on it’s own to end it’s participation in Satan’s highway to hell and stopped transporting slaves. While their decision did not stop pirates from doing what they desired, the new law slowly concluded THIS chapter of nightmarish Irish misery.

But, if anyone, black or white, believes that slavery was only an African experience, then they’ve got it completely wrong.

Irish slavery is a subject worth remembering, not erasing from our memories.

But, where are our public (and PRIVATE) schools???? Where are the history books? Why is it so seldom discussed?

Do the memories of hundreds of thousands of Irish victims merit more than a mention from an unknown writer?

Or is their story to be one that their English pirates intended: To (unlike the African book) have the Irish story utterly and completely disappear as if it never happened.

None of the Irish victims ever made it back to their homeland to describe their ordeal. These are the lost slaves; the ones that time and biased history books conveniently forgot.

You can buy the book and read the whole history.
http://i.imgur.com/vFACcjQ.jpg

[Skyler]

Over/Under on how many people actually understand that reference?

I say about 4.5.

I say threeve.

[Lady Quagga]

Slave history that they don't teach in school.

TL:DR version - "Irish were slaves, so that justifies me being a flaming douchenozzle by displaying a symbol which owed its resurgence to racial bigotry and pro-segregation ideals."

[camdozer]

Just going to throw my two cents in the ring, no judgments.

1st cent: The best way I've ever heard it put was like this: "The people who fly the Confederate Flag say they do so because it's a free country, but the flag they fly represents a country that was NOT free."

2nd cent: My opinion is that flying the Confederate flag because of "history and pride" or whatever else people call it would be akin to a German flying the Swastika because of "history and pride." Is it part of the country's history? Yes. Is it something to be proud of? God no.

[DEVOREFLYER]

Well it didn't take long to rewrite history in California. If you don't like something BAN IT. As I said in my original post the flag would not be the last to be removed if it's not PC to some.

SB-539 Public property: names: Confederate States of America.(2015-2016)
Bill Start

Amended IN Assembly July 08, 2015
Amended IN Assembly June 29, 2015
Amended IN Senate April 27, 2015
Amended IN Senate April 14, 2015
Amended IN Senate April 06, 2015

CALIFORNIA LEGISLATURE— 2015–2016 REGULAR SESSION

Senate Bill No. 539

Introduced by Senator Glazer
(Principal coauthor: Senator Hall)
(Coauthors: Senators Block, Hueso, Huff, Lara, Mendoza, and Wieckowski)
(Coauthors: Assembly Members Alejo, Baker, Chu, Cooper, Gipson, Gonzalez, Jones-Sawyer, Weber, and Williams)

February 26, 2015

An act to amend the heading of Chapter 2.9 (commencing with Section 8195) of Division 1 of Title 2 of, and to add Section 8197 to, the Government Code, relating to public property.


LEGISLATIVE COUNSEL'S DIGEST

SB 539, as amended, Glazer. Public property: names: Confederate States of America.
(1) Existing law prohibits the sale or display of the Battle Flag of the Confederacy, as specified, or its image, by the State of California, subject to exceptions serving educational or historical purposes.
This bill would, on and after January 1, 2017, prohibit the use of a name associated with the Confederate States of America to name schools, government buildings, parks, roads, and other state or local property. The bill would define a name associated with the Confederate States of America to include, but not be limited to, include the name of an elected leader or a senior military officer of the Confederacy. The bill would require a name associated with the Confederate States of America used to name state or local property prior to January 1, 2017, to be changed and any sign associated with the name to be removed. By increasing the duties of local officials, this bill would impose a state-mandated local program. The bill would also make a statement of legislative findings and a conforming change.
(2) The California Constitution requires the state to reimburse local agencies and school districts for certain costs mandated by the state. Statutory provisions establish procedures for making that reimbursement.
This bill would provide that, if the Commission on State Mandates determines that the bill contains costs mandated by the state, reimbursement for those costs shall be made pursuant to these statutory provisions.
Digest Key
Vote: MAJORITY Appropriation: NO Fiscal Committee: YES Local Program: YES
Bill Text
The people of the State of California do enact as follows:

SECTION 1. The Legislature finds and declares all of the following:
(a) The Confederate States of America’s secessionist movement was rooted in the defense of slavery.
(b) Currently, certain ideological groups use the symbols of this movement to demean and offend whole segments of our society while sowing racial divisions.
(c) The use of names of political leaders and senior military officers of the Confederate States of America to name California public schools, buildings, parks, roadways, and other state and local property is antithetical to California’s mission for racial equality.
(d) California is opposed to enshrining the names of those associated with the Confederate States of America, the secessionist movement, or their discriminatory ideals in our public schools, buildings, parks, roadways, and other state and local property.
(e) California celebrates individuals who represent aspirations for social good, such as Frederick Douglass, one of America’s great historical figures.
(f) Frederick Douglass was an African American social reformer, abolitionist, orator, writer, and statesman. After escaping from slavery, he became a leader of the abolitionist movement, gaining note for his dazzling oratory and incisive antislavery writing, including his famous speech about what the 4th of July meant to slaves.
(g) Frederick Douglass became one of the most famous intellectuals of his time, advising presidents and lecturing to thousands on a range of causes, including women’s rights and Irish home rule. Among Douglass’ writings are several autobiographies eloquently describing his experiences in slavery and his life after the Civil War.
SEC. 2. The heading of Chapter 2.9 (commencing with Section 8195) of Division 1 of Title 2 of the Government Code is amended to read:
CHAPTER 2.9. Confederate Symbols The Frederick Douglass Liberty Act
SEC. 3. Section 8197 is added to the Government Code, to read:

8197. (a) On and after January 1, 2017, a name associated with the Confederate States of America shall not be used to name state or local property. If a name associated with the Confederate States of America is used to name state or local public property prior to January 1, 2017, the name shall be changed and any sign associated with the name shall be removed.
(b) For the purpose of this section, “name associated with the Confederate States of America” includes, but is not limited to, includes the name of an elected leader or a senior military officer of the Confederacy.

SEC. 4. If the Commission on State Mandates determines that this act contains costs mandated by the state, reimbursement to local agencies and school districts for those costs shall be made pursuant to Part 7 (commencing with Section 17500) of Division 4 of Title 2 of the Government Code.

[etucker1959]

Meh, minor detail.

What truly shows the lefts hypocrisy is how they ignore the fact that their leading candidate Her Hilariousness just gave a campaign speech at the Virginia demoratic party's Jefferson/Jackson dinner that honors both men, who were both slave owners. Most of the MSM buried the story...

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/hillary-speak-event-named-after-slave-owners_977773.html
I read the article and my head almost exploded with contradictions!!! Others covered the part of the right loving the founding fathers except NOW, when they want to make a point above slave owning!!! I also found it impossible to believe that according to the article, when the Republicans want to stage an event they will use a Lincoln location. I know Lincoln was the first Republican President. However, it you look at a map of where a lot of the Red states are located. The South is almost all RED!!!!! The SOUTH where Lincoln made War on them and now the Republicans make a point to honor Lincoln!!!! This is just too much to try to make any sense of without going crazy!!!!

[seal]

This is just too much to try to make any sense of without going crazy!!!!

For you that ship has already sailed.

[Lady Quagga]

Good riddance.

If you've got a hard on for naming buildings after Confederate icons Dev, why don't you go fund the construction of a private school and do so. Shouldn't be too hard for you to scrape up the cash, what with your connections and all.


Well it didn't take long to rewrite history in California. If you don't like something BAN IT. As I said in my original post the flag would not be the last to be removed if it's not PC to some.

[DarkShadow]

Well it didn't take long to rewrite history in California. If you don't like something BAN IT. As I said in my original post the flag would not be the last to be removed if it's not PC to some.

What about the non-liberal states in the South who are scrambling to remove the Confederate Flag? Are you saying that "The Libtards" have invaded their voting bloc too?

Gonna talk about these "non liberal" states Devo, are you gonna try to strawman focusing on the "libtard" goverment of California?

http://www.postandcourier.com/article/20150708/PC1603/150709494

Apparrently the LibTards have invaded the South in order for their own state governments to bring the removal of the Confederate Flag to vote.

Devore, you doubled down on the wrong item. The best thing for you to do is to change your avatar, and pretend nothing like this happened. Hawgz should also take a clue too, considering you're the only two clowns to be rocking a Confederate Flag in your avatar.

I'm glad the mods decided to keep this thread alive. Free speech is a great thing in this country, especially when people like you open their mouths and try to justify their thoughts, because free speech allows me to respond accordingly.


Good riddance.

If you've got a hard on for naming buildings after Confederate icons Dev, why don't you go fund the construction of a private school and do so. Shouldn't be too hard for you to scrape up the cash, what with your connections and all.

Hawgz can put up the drywall.

[Lady Quagga]

Hawgz can put up the drywall.

Speaking of Hawggy, since he's sporting his ignorance on his current avatar, I figured I'd bring back my spin on his classic. Seems fitting given his current....frame of mind. Enjoy.

[BlueGillChaser]

Its coming DOWN!

[sktruth]

Meh, minor detail.

What truly shows the lefts hypocrisy is how they ignore the fact that their leading candidate Her Hilariousness just gave a campaign speech at the Virginia demoratic party's Jefferson/Jackson dinner that honors both men, who were both slave owners. Most of the MSM buried the story...

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/hillary-speak-event-named-after-slave-owners_977773.html

Minor detail? I forgot how fabricating the truth is so minor

[DarkShadow]

Minor detail? I forgot how fabricating the truth is so minor

It's Hawgz.

Like he said, he wont address "trolls" that call him out on his *****

I think Hawgz and Dev should fly that flag on their boat to see how many people want to shake their hand when they see them on the water.

Double down Hawgz and Dev!

[DEVOREFLYER]

Hey DS put your money where your mouth is. You can buy me this flag and I will fly it from my stern nav light pole. You can afford it can't you? http://www.gadsdenandculpeper.com/12x12-confederate-poly.html

You Buy it, I'll Fly it.

Unlike a number of the board trolls and we all know who they are don't we. I am not hiding under a rock or in mom's basement, I have no problem posting my pics or personal info. You can do a little keyboard hunting on this site and can come up with a Google Earth pic of my home and the address of where to have the flag shipped.

[etucker1959]

Hey DS put your money where your mouth is. You can buy me this flag and I will fly it from my stern nav light pole. You can afford it can't you? http://www.gadsdenandculpeper.com/12x12-confederate-poly.html

You Buy it, I'll Fly it.

Unlike a number of the board trolls and we all know who they are don't we. I am not hiding under a rock or in mom's basement, I have no problem posting my pics or personal info. You can do a little keyboard hunting on this site and can come up with a Google Earth pic of my home and the address of where to have the flag shipped.
I collect Confederate antiques, so when you asked DS to buy you a Flag. I expected you to have found an authentic Confederate Battle Flag. The price would have been astronomical, but when you asked for a 12 inch flag for $8. I died laughing!!!!!! I get the sarcasm now!!!! lol

[HawgZWylde]

Hey DS put your money where your mouth is. You can buy me this flag and I will fly it from my stern nav light pole. You can afford it can't you? http://www.gadsdenandculpeper.com/12x12-confederate-poly.html

You Buy it, I'll Fly it.

Unlike a number of the board trolls and we all know who they are don't we. I am not hiding under a rock or in mom's basement, I have no problem posting my pics or personal info. You can do a little keyboard hunting on this site and can come up with a Google Earth pic of my home and the address of where to have the flag shipped.


My money is on it that he won't. He's a yellow bellied soft fingered socialist keyboard cubical coward. Like the other trolls here he believes he is more "enlightened" than others. By his use of calling me a drywaller he shows his imagined elitism thinking he is somehow better than a tradesman. Nothing like insulting all tradesmen and women on the board eh? Where's the equality? Oh the hypocrisy is stunning eh.

In order for a totalitarian regime to take power, they must first eliminate it's opposition and the country's history. This is what we are seeing today, he and mollusk mouth and the tactics they use are prime examples of such. Yellow bellied cowards, the lot of them...

[Lady Quagga]

I see that, for want of $8.25, Dev is unable to demonstrate the strength of his willfully ignorant convictions whilst on the water. Pity.


Hey DS put your money where your mouth is. You can buy me this flag and I will fly it from my stern nav light pole. You can afford it can't you? http://www.gadsdenandculpeper.com/12x12-confederate-poly.html

You Buy it, I'll Fly it.

Unlike a number of the board trolls and we all know who they are don't we. I am not hiding under a rock or in mom's basement, I have no problem posting my pics or personal info. You can do a little keyboard hunting on this site and can come up with a Google Earth pic of my home and the address of where to have the flag shipped.

[DEVOREFLYER]

I see that, for want of $8.25, Dev is unable to demonstrate the strength of his willfully ignorant convictions whilst on the water. Pity.

Hey help DS out contribute to the cause.

Your a living example of why Vagisil was invented.

[HawgZWylde]

I see that, for want of $8.25, Dev is unable to demonstrate the strength of his willfully ignorant convictions whilst on the water. Pity.

Lol, deflection. Typical...

[Lady Quagga]

My money is on it that he won't. He's a yellow bellied soft fingered socialist keyboard cubical coward. Like the other trolls here he believes he is more "enlightened" than others. By his use of calling me a drywaller he shows his imagined elitism thinking he is somehow better than a tradesman. Nothing like insulting all tradesmen and women on the board eh? Where's the equality? Oh the hypocrisy is stunning eh.

Oh spare us the hyperbole, Hawggy. No one is hunting all the tradesmen here. Just one in particular - the ignorant drywaller.


In order for a totalitarian regime to take power, they must first eliminate it's opposition and the country's history. This is what we are seeing today, he and mollusk mouth and the tactics they use are prime examples of such. Yellow bellied cowards, the lot of them...

The opposition? You mean people like you who spout "totalitarian regime" or "troll" whenever your blathering is exposed for the ignorant bullsh*t that it is?

And I am fully aware of our country's history, and have no desire to revise or sugarcoat it. Which is why I go out of my way to point out the political and historical undercurrent of the subject at hand. If anyone is taking a revisionist tack, it's you and Dev regarding the Stars and Bars.

[HawgZWylde]

Hey help DS out contribute to the cause.

Your a living example of why Vagisil was invented.


Nope, not strong enough Dev. I think Draino or Liquid Plumber would be needed...

[Lady Quagga]

Hey help DS out contribute to the cause.

Your a living example of why Vagisil was invented.

Please, spare us the tribulations of your lovelife.


Lol, deflection. Typical...

http://new1.fjcdn.com/thumbnails/comments/4404258+_7fb8735ce2cbb7f557e52783be8f236f.gif

[HawgZWylde]

Please, spare us the tribulations of your lovelife.



http://new1.fjcdn.com/thumbnails/comments/4404258+_7fb8735ce2cbb7f557e52783be8f236f.gif


"What is, is?"

[Lady Quagga]

"What is, is?"

I suppose you think your reference has some relevance here. It doesn't.

[HawgZWylde]

Oh spare us the hyperbole, Hawggy. No one is hunting all the tradesmen here. Just one in particular - the ignorant drywaller.

Lie number 1)Drywaller. I'm a multi-tradesman. But go ahead, keep insulting all tradesmen and women on the board.




The opposition? You mean people like you who spout "totalitarian regime" or "troll" whenever your blathering is exposed for the ignorant bullsh*t that it is?

And I am fully aware of our country's history, and have no desire to revise or sugarcoat it. Which is why I go out of my way to point out the political and historical undercurrent of the subject at hand. If anyone is taking a revisionist tack, it's you and Dev regarding the Stars and Bars.

Lie number 2)I am the opposition. I am not, you are. You are a propagandist and you spin other peoples words against them. You are an anti-American socialist/fascist. Yes, you are fully aware of America's history which is why you spin. You wish to fundamentally change America into a PC socialist/fascist cesspool. I love my country, a constitution based federal republic and NOT a constitutional democracy, it's quickly disappearing freedoms and liberties, it's constitution and it's citizens, except illegal alien invaders and leftist puke propagandist trolls like you...

[HawgZWylde]

I suppose you think your reference has some relevance here. It doesn't.


To you, a scumbag troll, of course not...

[DarkShadow]

Hey DS put your money where your mouth is. You can buy me this flag and I will fly it from my stern nav light pole. You can afford it can't you? http://www.gadsdenandculpeper.com/12x12-confederate-poly.html

Then I'd get put on some FBI list with all the other closet racists like this guy:

http://media1.s-nbcnews.com/j/newscms/2015_25/1084951/150620-dylann-roof-mn-1315_c2f7d0a707598be74cdb91774d5942e7.nbcnews-fp-360-360.jpg

But hey, I hear Charleston (http://abcnews.go.com/US/confederate-flag-state-capitol-south-carolina/story?id=32354059) isn't using theirs anymore. Maybe they can let you have it.

[Lady Quagga]

Lie number 1)Drywaller. I'm a multi-tradesman. But go ahead, keep insulting all tradesmen and women on the board.

Once again: spare us the hyperbole, Hawggy. No one is hunting all the tradesmen here. Just one in particular - the ignorant drywaller.


Lie number 2)I am the opposition. I am not, you are. You are a propagandist and you spin other peoples words against them. You are an anti-American socialist/fascist. Yes, you are fully aware of America's history which is why you spin. You wish to fundamentally change America into a PC socialist/fascist cesspool. I love my country, a constitution based federal republic and NOT a constitutional democracy, it's quickly disappearing freedoms and liberties, it's constitution and it's citizens, except illegal alien invaders and leftist puke propagandist trolls like you...

Uh, no - you raised the word "opposition". I only clarified who I consider the opposition here to be.

And propaganda? Please. The entire premise upon which you embrace the Confederate flag is the worst type of propaganda, you silly hypocrite.

And no, I'm not a socialist or fascist, nor do I wish to change our country into a socialist or fascist state. That is not to say I don't support certain points of view which would certainly be considered socialist in nature - just as I embrace certain points of view which are conservative and/or capitalist in nature. You claim to love this country; you claim to embrace the constitution and the freedoms & liberties afforded us by it, but you loath the fundamental aspects of it which don't suit your narrow-minded viewpoints. I hate to break it to you Hawggy, but your absolutes are not our country's absolutes, and by the very nature of Constitution, they never were. The only ones who believe otherwise - i.e., people like you - are the true fascists.


To you, a scumbag troll, of course not...

That it was mentioned here actually reveals the underlying obsessive scumbag logic of person who brought it up.

[HawgZWylde]

Once again: spare us the hyperbole, Hawggy. No one is hunting all the tradesmen here. Just one in particular - the ignorant drywaller.



Uh, no - you raised the word "opposition". I only clarified who I consider the opposition here to be.

And propaganda? Please. The entire premise upon which you embrace the Confederate flag is the worst type of propaganda, you silly hypocrite.

And no, I'm not a socialist or fascist, nor do I wish to change our country into a socialist or fascist state. That is not to say I don't support certain points of view which would certainly be considered socialist in nature - just as I embrace certain points of view which are conservative and/or capitalist in nature. You claim to love this country; you claim to embrace the constitution and the freedoms & liberties afforded us by it, but you loath the fundamental aspects of it which don't suit your narrow-minded viewpoints. I hate to break it to you Hawggy, but your absolutes are not our country's absolutes, and by the very nature of Constitution, they never were. The only ones who believe otherwise - i.e., people like you - are the true fascists.

Again, you spin. and your post proves it. You are a liar and a propagandist troll, period...

***Edit***
Hmm, just got back from doing a bid and it looks like this lowly "drywaller" gets to demo and old rotted D.F. patio cover/deck and replace it with a beautiful redwood cover/deck. Not bad for a lowly "drywaller", eh Quagga?

[Lady Quagga]

Again, you spin. and your post proves it. You are a liar and a propagandist troll, period...

Coming from an ignorant hypocrite like you, your words don't mean much.


***Edit***
Hmm, just got back from doing a bid and it looks like this lowly "drywaller" gets to demo and old rotted D.F. patio cover/deck and replace it with a beautiful redwood cover/deck. Not bad for a lowly "drywaller", eh Quagga?

I never described you as a lowly drywaller. Just an ignorant drywaller.

[DEVOREFLYER]

Once again DS "You BUY IT and I'll FLY IT". Put your money where your mouth is. Or are you another living example of the old Cajun saying "Don't let your alligator mouth overload your humming bird rectum"!

[HawgZWylde]

Once again: spare us the hyperbole, Hawggy. No one is hunting all the tradesmen here. Just one in particular - the ignorant drywaller.



Uh, no - you raised the word "opposition". I only clarified who I consider the opposition here to be.

And propaganda? Please. The entire premise upon which you embrace the Confederate flag is the worst type of propaganda, you silly hypocrite.

And no, I'm not a socialist or fascist, nor do I wish to change our country into a socialist or fascist state. That is not to say I don't support certain points of view which would certainly be considered socialist in nature - just as I embrace certain points of view which are conservative and/or capitalist in nature. You claim to love this country; you claim to embrace the constitution and the freedoms & liberties afforded us by it, but you loath the fundamental aspects of it which don't suit your narrow-minded viewpoints. I hate to break it to you Hawggy, but your absolutes are not our country's absolutes, and by the very nature of Constitution, they never were. The only ones who believe otherwise - i.e., people like you - are the true fascists.



That it was mentioned here actually reveals the underlying obsessive scumbag logic of person who brought it up.

Words Quagga. DS once again stepped on his d**K, and once again you are joining him on doing the same thing. Perhaps we should call you Caitlyn...

[HawgZWylde]

Then I'd get put on some FBI list with all the other closet racists like this guy:

http://media1.s-nbcnews.com/j/newscms/2015_25/1084951/150620-dylann-roof-mn-1315_c2f7d0a707598be74cdb91774d5942e7.nbcnews-fp-360-360.jpg

But hey, I hear Charleston (http://abcnews.go.com/US/confederate-flag-state-capitol-south-carolina/story?id=32354059) isn't using theirs anymore. Maybe they can let you have it.

Bwahaha, you already have a file within the FBI. And plenty of your data is stored in the NSA's data storage facility in Utah. You truly should have known. As for Charleston's actions? Indeed, totalitarian blackmail does seem to be getting its way, for now...

[DarkShadow]

Once again DS "You BUY IT and I'll FLY IT". Put your money where your mouth is. Or are you another living example of the old Cajun saying "Don't let your alligator mouth overload your humming bird rectum"!

Once again Devore, don't wanna be associated with that type of crowd if I did purchase it.

But, if I did buy you one, you have to promise to wave it around at the next MLK Parade.

Deal?


Words Quagga. DS once again stepped on his d**K....

Says the person rocking the Confederate flag in their avatar.

And if calling you and Dev out for the hypocrites that you are is 'stepping on my d*ck,' so be it.

[HawgZWylde]

Once again Devore, don't wanna be associated with that type of crowd if I did purchase it.

But, if I did buy you one, you have to promise to wave it around at the next MLK Parade.

Deal?




Says the person rocking the Confederate flag in their avatar.

And if calling you and Dev out for the hypocrites that you are is 'stepping on my d*ck,' so be it.

That's the Confederate AND American flag Homey. I rock the Confederate and American flag because I oppose erasing our country's history, for better or for worse. And the fact that I had relatives who fought and died in the Civil war for BOTH sides. I believe in states rights, as I said before, and that was the true founding of the confederacy, not slavery. America as a whole and just like the rest of the world, allowed slavery long before the confederacy was founded and slavery did not come into the picture until the war was well underway and only after France and Britain were set to join the South. I abhor and denounce any type of human slavery and smuggling and I abhor those who attempt to use it for political gain, like you and Quagga. So with that being said, why aren't you screaming about the human slavery and smuggling THAT STILL EXISTS in South and Central America, Africa, the Middle East, and in some countries in Asia? No, of course not, only in America where we ended slavery over a hundred and fifty years ago which proves the whole thing is a farce and is being used for political gain and blackmail. "If you oppose us, you are a racist bigot". Gee, we see that here, no?

Oh, did you hear Donald Trump's upcoming speech in Arizona had to be relocated to a much larger venue due to a huge demand for attendance? Imagine that, the demorats are giving away tickets to their leading lady(?) Her Hilariousnesse's speeches and still can't even come close to filling up the venues...

[Lady Quagga]

That's the Confederate AND American flag Homey. I rock the Confederate and American flag because I oppose erasing our country's history, for better or for worse. And the fact that I had relatives who fought and died in the Civil war for BOTH sides. I believe in states rights, as I said before, and that was the true founding of the confederacy, not slavery. America as a whole and just like the rest of the world, allowed slavery long before the confederacy was founded and slavery did not come into the picture until the war was well underway and only after France and Britain were set to join the South. I abhor and denounce any type of human slavery and smuggling and I abhor those who attempt to use it for political gain, like you and Quagga. So with that being said, why aren't you screaming about the human slavery and smuggling THAT STILL EXISTS in South and Central America, Africa, the Middle East, and in some countries in Asia? No, of course not, only in America where we ended slavery over a hundred and fifty years ago which proves the whole thing is a farce and is being used for political gain and blackmail. "If you oppose us, you are a racist bigot". Gee, we see that here, no?

Spare us the slavery and states rights diatribe, Hawggy. Not once did I argue it's relation to either when I expressed my opposition to modern use of the Confederate flag. Any suggestion by you otherwise is nothing but - what's that word you been using? Oh that's right - SPIN, you hypocritical dimbulb.


Oh, did you hear Donald Trump's upcoming speech in Arizona had to be relocated to a much larger venue due to a huge demand for attendance?

http://s1.postimg.org/nmwwtrl6n/ptbarnum.jpg

[Brent]

That's the Confederate AND American flag Homey. I rock the Confederate and American flag because I oppose erasing our country's history, for better or for worse. And the fact that I had relatives who fought and died in the Civil war for BOTH sides. I believe in states rights, as I said before, and that was the true founding of the confederacy, not slavery. America as a whole and just like the rest of the world, allowed slavery long before the confederacy was founded and slavery did not come into the picture until the war was well underway and only after France and Britain were set to join the South. I abhor and denounce any type of human slavery and smuggling and I abhor those who attempt to use it for political gain, like you and Quagga. So with that being said, why aren't you screaming about the human slavery and smuggling THAT STILL EXISTS in South and Central America, Africa, the Middle East, and in some countries in Asia? No, of course not, only in America where we ended slavery over a hundred and fifty years ago which proves the whole thing is a farce and is being used for political gain and blackmail. "If you oppose us, you are a racist bigot". Gee, we see that here, no?

Oh, did you hear Donald Trump's upcoming speech in Arizona had to be relocated to a much larger venue due to a huge demand for attendance? Imagine that, the demorats are giving away tickets to their leading lady(?) Her Hilariousnesse's speeches and still can't even come close to filling up the venues...


You're just plain ole Nucking Futs!
You mentioned Donald F'ing Trump??? As if he's a serious candidate for anything but a really, really bad reality show. My god you're showing waaaaay too much of your ignorance with those kind of remarks.
I just wish you and your 'good ole boy wanna be' partner Devore would grow some damn balls and rock your flag at the MLK Parade like DS suggested. Until then you're nothing but closet racists pussies like the rest of them!

[DarkShadow]

I just wish you and your 'good ole boy wanna be' partner Devore would grow some damn balls and rock your flag at the MLK Parade like DS suggested.

Devore, PM me your address and a flag gets sent to you ASAP. If your buddy Hawgz wants one too, then I'll buy two.

BUT, the only caveat is that you and Hawgz show up to the MLK Parade and post video of you attending the event and waving the flag around.

Deal?

[DEVOREFLYER]

No caveat DS quite moving the goal post, you shot your mouth off live with it. Your the IT guru so do a little searching on the site here and you will find my address in a Google earth pic. It's time for you to either fish or cut bait no disrespect to one of the Bako Boys.

You BUY IT I will FLY IT. I don't want to hear excuses like you could not find my address or your credit card is over limit. Deal with it or welch out like I expect you to!

[DarkShadow]

No caveat DS quite moving the goal post, you shot your mouth off live with it. Your the IT guru so do a little searching on the site here and you will find my address in a Google earth pic. It's time for you to either fish or cut bait no disrespect to one of the Bako Boys.

You BUY IT I will FLY IT. I don't want to hear excuses like you could not find my address or your credit card is over limit. Deal with it or welch out like I expect you to!

Find your address?!

How about you click on my screename Devore, and send me a PM, since you're so adamant about waving the flag around.

Unless, of course, you having me dig around for your address is your way of retreating slowly away from our challenge, but putting the onus on me.

[DarkShadow]

Well that took long.

Hey Devore, you still at

18227 Muriel Avenue, Devore, CA, 92407?

Shall I address the package for "DevoreFlyer?" or R. M. Schindler?

BTW, you're gonna need this: http://www.kingdomdayparade.org/

[HawgZWylde]

You're just plain ole Nucking Futs!
You mentioned Donald F'ing Trump??? As if he's a serious candidate for anything but a really, really bad reality show. My god you're showing waaaaay too much of your ignorance with those kind of remarks.
I just wish you and your 'good ole boy wanna be' partner Devore would grow some damn balls and rock your flag at the MLK Parade like DS suggested. Until then you're nothing but closet racists pussies like the rest of them!

Ok arsehole, lets see who the freaking pussy is, you meet me at DVL, you pick time and day, and we'll see who the real pussy is, a**clown. And have your bootlickee DS show up with you too...

[HawgZWylde]

Well that took long.

Hey Devore, you still at

18227 Muriel Avenue, Devore, CA, 92407?

Shall I address the package for "DevoreFlyer?" or R. M. Schindler?

BTW, you're gonna need this: http://www.kingdomdayparade.org/


Hey pussy, I mean Miguel, why don't YOU post up your name and address now too. You got the balls biatch?

[DarkShadow]

Hey pussy, I mean Miguel, why don't YOU post up your name and address now too. You got the balls biatch?

You want your flag sent to Devore's address too?

You two are gonna look cute in matching flags.

[HawgZWylde]

You want your flag sent to Devore's address too?

You two are gonna look cute in matching flags.

That's not what I asked you, I asked YOU to post YOUR name and address on this forum. But you ain't got the balls, son...

[DarkShadow]

That's not what I asked you, I asked YOU to post YOUR name and address on this forum. But you ain't got the balls, son...

Hey, when I want racist memorabilia shipped to my house, I'll send you my address, Cerdo. I believe Devo's exact words were, "You buy it, I'll fly it." So, I'm buying.

(It seems like ole Devore here has, as someone poetically put it, 'stepped on his own d*ck.')

Flags will be purchased on Monday. Gives you plenty of time to break them in before January.

[HawgZWylde]

Hey, when I want racist memorabilia shipped to my house, I'll send you my address, Cerdo. I believe Devo's exact words were, "You buy it, I'll fly it." So, I'm buying.

(It seems like ole Devore here has, as someone poetically put it, 'stepped on his own d*ck.')

Flags will be purchased on Monday. Gives you plenty of time to break them in before January.

Bwahaha, freaking coward. Just know this dude, if someone gets hurt by your quite deliberate actions, what comes around, goes around...

That flag is no more racist than flying the Mexican flag over an upside down American flag on an elementary school's flag pole in Oxnard, remember that Homey? I and many other Americans do and won't forget it. Nothing Dev or I have posted is factually racist, it's only spun by the left and its allies to fit their agenda which is to demonize and character assassinate the colonists, the constitution they created, and this nation's history. Dev and I aren't the true racist bigots here, those who are attempting political gain by spinning and attacking our true history today, are. If you send a flag for me to Dev, I will fly it right alongside my Gadsden flag, below the American flag. So I have a question for you, do you consider La Raza(The Race) and its flag racist? How about MEChA and its flag?

[DEVOREFLYER]

Well that took long.

Hey Devore, you still at

18227 Muriel Avenue, Devore, CA, 92407?

Shall I address the package for "DevoreFlyer?" or R. M. Schindler?

BTW, you're gonna need this: http://www.kingdomdayparade.org/

That's the address, ya got the tracking number for me, I want to make sure I am home to receive it.

[Lady Quagga]

No caveat DS quite moving the goal post, you shot your mouth off live with it. Your the IT guru so do a little searching on the site here and you will find my address in a Google earth pic. It's time for you to either fish or cut bait no disrespect to one of the Bako Boys.

You BUY IT I will FLY IT. I don't want to hear excuses like you could not find my address or your credit card is over limit. Deal with it or welch out like I expect you to!

No caveat? Moving the goal post? Please. When DS suggested you parade around with the flag on your boat, it was YOU who introduced the first caveat. Considering you insisted on the condition of DS purchasing the flag, it is completely reasonable DS insist on the condition of your parading it around for the Kingdom Day Parade (http://www.kingdomdayparade.org).


Hey pussy, I mean Miguel, why don't YOU post up your name and address now too. You got the balls biatch?

Aww, Hawggy's puffing his chest out and sh*tting the bed again. Guess what cupcake - just because you and Dev choose to maintain a more public presence on FNN doesn't mean anyone else on FNN has to. This is as true now as it was before, and you foaming at the mouth while you babble acrimoniously won't change that.


Bwahaha, freaking coward. Just know this dude, if someone gets hurt by your quite deliberate actions, what comes around, goes around...

Deliberate actions? DS did not provide any information that wasn't already shared publicly on FNN. Pull your head out of your vag and get a clue.

[HawgZWylde]

You know Dev, the irony in all this...Here we are as conservatives defending the demorat's history, and how it should not be "erased", yet we called out as racist bigots. Go figure.

Anybody remember this?;
http://i1303.photobucket.com/albums/ag145/Hawgz_Wylde/confederate-flag-clinton-gore-button_zpsrcrs96jj.jpg (http://s1303.photobucket.com/user/Hawgz_Wylde/media/confederate-flag-clinton-gore-button_zpsrcrs96jj.jpg.html)

Gotta love those "faaaabulous Dixiecrats", no?

[BlueGillChaser]

Finally figure out that your a dumb a@@ Lol
You know Dev, the irony in all this...Here we are as conservatives defending the demorat's history, and how it should not be "erased", yet we called out as racist bigots. Go figure.

Anybody remember this?;
http://i1303.photobucket.com/albums/ag145/Hawgz_Wylde/confederate-flag-clinton-gore-button_zpsrcrs96jj.jpg (http://s1303.photobucket.com/user/Hawgz_Wylde/media/confederate-flag-clinton-gore-button_zpsrcrs96jj.jpg.html)

Gotta love those "faaaabulous Dixiecrats", no?

[HawgZWylde]

Finally figure out that your a dumb a@@ Lol

Nope. But it's quite obvious you are because the point I was making went right over your head...

[DEVOREFLYER]

” I warned that the removal of the Confederate Flag was just the beginning and the left would not be content until anything and everything that was not PC correct would be removed from society.

To punish, disparage, denigrate, destroy and rewrite history is not too much for the wacko left.

Some current examples are:
1. FORT SMITH (KFSM)- A Fort Smith School Board committee passed a motion Tuesday (June 23) to ban the “Dixie” song during the 2015-2016 school year and to replace the rebel mascot for the 2016-2017 school year.
2. Faculty member wants Dixie State University in St. George , Utah name changed. Dixie State University nixed its former rebel soldier mascot along with displays of the confederate flag after obtaining university status from the state. But the name “Dixie” stuck, and now psychology professor Dannelle Larsen-Rife thinks that should change too, KSTU-TV reported.
3. California Senate Bill SB 539 to remove all names of Confederate members from public building, schools and streets etc.
4. A movement is on to remove Confederate War monuments and statues in a number of states and cities and to rename streets (Memphis, New Orleans and NYC to name a few).
5. San Diego school board member wants school named Robert E. Lee changed.
6. An unelected head of a state agency in Oregon fines a couple $135,000, for refusing to bake a wedding cake for a lesbian couple because it’s against their religious belief. Then a judge issues a gag order restraining the couple from talking about it. The lesbian were a regular customer of the bakery and were served many times they just would not bake a wedding cake. Oh and the bakery owners even attended the wedding that was before the state got involved and fined them.
7. Dukes of Hazard pulled from TV schedule.
8. General Lee model car from Dukes of Hazard stopped by Warner Bros.
9. Major chain stores removed Confederate branded merchandise from shelves.
10. In Decatur, Tennessee, Wal-Mart is now refusing to "order a high school class ring because the mascot - the Rebel - had a confederate flag in the image." Aaron Browder, the graduate who wanted to order the ring, was actually turned away because there's a Confederate flag in the ring. I'm not even kidding. Kids can't get freaking CLASS RINGS ANYMORE, y'all.

And then we have:
11. 10 Commandment Monument ordered removed in Oklahoma even though the SCOUS ruled a 10 Commandment Monument could not be removed in Texas.
12. In Oregon, under a first-in-the-nation policy quietly enacted in January that many parents are only now finding out about, 15-year-olds are now allowed to get a sex-change operation. Many residents are stunned to learn they can do it without parental notification -- and the state will even pay for it through its Medicaid program, the Oregon Health Plan.
13. School-based health clinics in at least 13 Seattle-area public high schools and middle schools now offer long-acting reversible contraceptives (LARCs), including IUDs and hormonal implants. These services are available to students in sixth-grade and above at no cost (to the student), according to Washington State officials. The costs are covered by the taxpayers.
14. Under the “Amend the Code for Marriage Equality Act,” sponsored by Rep. Lois Capps (D-Calif.), “gendered terms” would be replaced with more “gender-neutral” terms, the Washington Examiner reported. For example, “husband” and “wife” would simply become “spouse.”

In the early 1970’s my wife and I had the pleasure to see Elvis in person at the Hilton in Las Vegas. As he did in every show he closed his act with this trilogy. Tell me why anyone in his right mind world find Dixie racial insensitive, ain’t being PC wonderful….
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vISPgbosZUw

[Lady Quagga]

You know Dev, the irony in all this...Here we are as conservatives defending the demorat's history, and how it should not be "erased", yet we called out as racist bigots. Go figure.

Anybody remember this?;
http://i1303.photobucket.com/albums/ag145/Hawgz_Wylde/confederate-flag-clinton-gore-button_zpsrcrs96jj.jpg (http://s1303.photobucket.com/user/Hawgz_Wylde/media/confederate-flag-clinton-gore-button_zpsrcrs96jj.jpg.html)

You didn't remember it - you only regurgitated what you swallowed from online conservative rags.


Gotta love those "faaaabulous Dixiecrats", no?

Clinton and Gore weren't Dixiecrats. Love how you claim to be defending their history, then make a deliberately false statement about it.


Nope. But it's quite obvious you are because the point I was making went right over your head...

And it's quite obvious that the fact the button was never approved or sanctioned by the Clinton-Gore campaign went right over your head.

[HawgZWylde]

You didn't remember it - you only regurgitated what you swallowed from online conservative rags.



Clinton and Gore weren't Dixiecrats. Love how you claim to be defending their history, then make a deliberately false statement about it.



And it's quite obvious that the fact the button was never approved or sanctioned by the Clinton-Gore campaign went right over your head.

Bwahahaha, of course they deny it, that's par for the course Homey. Gore's daddy indeed was a Dixiecrat, and so was he except they change what they call themselves on a fairly regular basis depending on what is politically expedient at that point in time. The Clinton's are just flat out corrupt carpetbaggers. Clinton has been in denial for decades about her corruption and lies. But go ahead Holmes, keep protecting those corrupt lefties. I don't get how you lefty trolls do that and keep a straight face...

[HawgZWylde]

” I warned that the removal of the Confederate Flag was just the beginning and the left would not be content until anything and everything that was not PC correct would be removed from society.

To punish, disparage, denigrate, destroy and rewrite history is not too much for the wacko left.

Some current examples are:
1. FORT SMITH (KFSM)- A Fort Smith School Board committee passed a motion Tuesday (June 23) to ban the “Dixie” song during the 2015-2016 school year and to replace the rebel mascot for the 2016-2017 school year.
2. Faculty member wants Dixie State University in St. George , Utah name changed. Dixie State University nixed its former rebel soldier mascot along with displays of the confederate flag after obtaining university status from the state. But the name “Dixie” stuck, and now psychology professor Dannelle Larsen-Rife thinks that should change too, KSTU-TV reported.
3. California Senate Bill SB 539 to remove all names of Confederate members from public building, schools and streets etc.
4. A movement is on to remove Confederate War monuments and statues in a number of states and cities and to rename streets (Memphis, New Orleans and NYC to name a few).
5. San Diego school board member wants school named Robert E. Lee changed.
6. An unelected head of a state agency in Oregon fines a couple $135,000, for refusing to bake a wedding cake for a lesbian couple because it’s against their religious belief. Then a judge issues a gag order restraining the couple from talking about it. The lesbian were a regular customer of the bakery and were served many times they just would not bake a wedding cake. Oh and the bakery owners even attended the wedding that was before the state got involved and fined them.
7. Dukes of Hazard pulled from TV schedule.
8. General Lee model car from Dukes of Hazard stopped by Warner Bros.
9. Major chain stores removed Confederate branded merchandise from shelves.
10. In Decatur, Tennessee, Wal-Mart is now refusing to "order a high school class ring because the mascot - the Rebel - had a confederate flag in the image." Aaron Browder, the graduate who wanted to order the ring, was actually turned away because there's a Confederate flag in the ring. I'm not even kidding. Kids can't get freaking CLASS RINGS ANYMORE, y'all.

And then we have:
11. 10 Commandment Monument ordered removed in Oklahoma even though the SCOUS ruled a 10 Commandment Monument could not be removed in Texas.
12. In Oregon, under a first-in-the-nation policy quietly enacted in January that many parents are only now finding out about, 15-year-olds are now allowed to get a sex-change operation. Many residents are stunned to learn they can do it without parental notification -- and the state will even pay for it through its Medicaid program, the Oregon Health Plan.
13. School-based health clinics in at least 13 Seattle-area public high schools and middle schools now offer long-acting reversible contraceptives (LARCs), including IUDs and hormonal implants. These services are available to students in sixth-grade and above at no cost (to the student), according to Washington State officials. The costs are covered by the taxpayers.
14. Under the “Amend the Code for Marriage Equality Act,” sponsored by Rep. Lois Capps (D-Calif.), “gendered terms” would be replaced with more “gender-neutral” terms, the Washington Examiner reported. For example, “husband” and “wife” would simply become “spouse.”

In the early 1970’s my wife and I had the pleasure to see Elvis in person at the Hilton in Las Vegas. As he did in every show he closed his act with this trilogy. Tell me why anyone in his right mind world find Dixie racial insensitive, ain’t being PC wonderful….
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vISPgbosZUw

Yup. Freedom? What freedom? We don't need no stinking freedom! You'll all become PC socialist slaves or else. Just ask Quagga...

[Lady Quagga]

Bwahahaha, of course they deny it, that's par for the course Homey. Gore's daddy indeed was a Dixiecrat, and so was he except they change what they call themselves on a fairly regular basis depending on what is politically expedient at that point in time. The Clinton's are just flat out corrupt carpetbaggers. Clinton has been in denial for decades about her corruption and lies. But go ahead Holmes, keep protecting those corrupt lefties. I don't get how you lefty trolls do that and keep a straight face...

Par for the course? You must be referring to your propensity to swallow the drivel of conservative hacks, in spite of the information which strongly supports that the buttons in question were not approved or sanctioned by the campaign.

Al Gore was not a Dixiecrat, and you have absolutely no proof which suggests otherwise. As for the Clintons, I didn't not vote for Bill and I won't be voting for Hilary, as I've stated before. And I won't apologize for their corrupt or otherwise questionable acts, anymore than I would apologize for the corrupt or questionable acts of virtually every administration from the last few decades.

[HawgZWylde]

Par for the course? You must be referring to your propensity to swallow the drivel of conservative hacks, in spite of the information which strongly supports that the buttons in question were not approved or sanctioned by the campaign.

Al Gore was not a Dixiecrat, and you have absolutely no proof which suggests otherwise. As for the Clintons, I didn't not vote for Bill and I won't be voting for Hilary, as I've stated before. And I won't apologize for their corrupt or otherwise questionable acts, anymore than I would apologize for the corrupt or questionable acts of virtually every administration from the last few decades.

Yup, just like the emails on her personal server, the Clinton's and the DNC are some of the best at making things disappear. And like I said before, Algore's daddy was indeed a Dixiecrat, and Algore, like all good demorats, change what they call themselves depending on the political winds of the day. Liberals, progressives, socialists, communists, fascists, statists, they're all under the same demorat tent. "What flavor shall we be today?" And yet you attack those who point out the facts and deliver the messages that don't "jibe" with them. Do you have an identity disability? You are also very keen on hiding your own political beliefs...

[Lady Quagga]

Yup, just like the emails on her personal server, the Clinton's and the DNC are some of the best at making things disappear. And like I said before, Algore's daddy was indeed a Dixiecrat, and Algore, like all good demorats, change what they call themselves depending on the political winds of the day. Liberals, progressives, socialists, communists, fascists, statists, they're all under the same demorat tent. "What flavor shall we be today?" And yet you attack those who point out the facts and deliver the messages that don't "jibe" with them. Do you have an identity disability? You are also very keen on hiding your own political beliefs...

Once again, Al Gore was never a Dixiecrat, regardless of his father's political and social views. And I defy you to show me a single shred of evidence in which Clinton or Gore (or Obama for that matter) referred to themselves - inclusively - as liberals, progressives, socialists, communists, fascists, and statists.

I've not hidden my political beliefs - your suggestion that I have is a lie, plain and simple. When asked about particular issues, I've given my points of view. I've also spoken on my voting record.

[HawgZWylde]

” I warned that the removal of the Confederate Flag was just the beginning and the left would not be content until anything and everything that was not PC correct would be removed from society.

To punish, disparage, denigrate, destroy and rewrite history is not too much for the wacko left.

Some current examples are:
1. FORT SMITH (KFSM)- A Fort Smith School Board committee passed a motion Tuesday (June 23) to ban the “Dixie” song during the 2015-2016 school year and to replace the rebel mascot for the 2016-2017 school year.
2. Faculty member wants Dixie State University in St. George , Utah name changed. Dixie State University nixed its former rebel soldier mascot along with displays of the confederate flag after obtaining university status from the state. But the name “Dixie” stuck, and now psychology professor Dannelle Larsen-Rife thinks that should change too, KSTU-TV reported.
3. California Senate Bill SB 539 to remove all names of Confederate members from public building, schools and streets etc.
4. A movement is on to remove Confederate War monuments and statues in a number of states and cities and to rename streets (Memphis, New Orleans and NYC to name a few).
5. San Diego school board member wants school named Robert E. Lee changed.
6. An unelected head of a state agency in Oregon fines a couple $135,000, for refusing to bake a wedding cake for a lesbian couple because it’s against their religious belief. Then a judge issues a gag order restraining the couple from talking about it. The lesbian were a regular customer of the bakery and were served many times they just would not bake a wedding cake. Oh and the bakery owners even attended the wedding that was before the state got involved and fined them.
7. Dukes of Hazard pulled from TV schedule.
8. General Lee model car from Dukes of Hazard stopped by Warner Bros.
9. Major chain stores removed Confederate branded merchandise from shelves.
10. In Decatur, Tennessee, Wal-Mart is now refusing to "order a high school class ring because the mascot - the Rebel - had a confederate flag in the image." Aaron Browder, the graduate who wanted to order the ring, was actually turned away because there's a Confederate flag in the ring. I'm not even kidding. Kids can't get freaking CLASS RINGS ANYMORE, y'all.

And then we have:
11. 10 Commandment Monument ordered removed in Oklahoma even though the SCOUS ruled a 10 Commandment Monument could not be removed in Texas.
12. In Oregon, under a first-in-the-nation policy quietly enacted in January that many parents are only now finding out about, 15-year-olds are now allowed to get a sex-change operation. Many residents are stunned to learn they can do it without parental notification -- and the state will even pay for it through its Medicaid program, the Oregon Health Plan.
13. School-based health clinics in at least 13 Seattle-area public high schools and middle schools now offer long-acting reversible contraceptives (LARCs), including IUDs and hormonal implants. These services are available to students in sixth-grade and above at no cost (to the student), according to Washington State officials. The costs are covered by the taxpayers.
14. Under the “Amend the Code for Marriage Equality Act,” sponsored by Rep. Lois Capps (D-Calif.), “gendered terms” would be replaced with more “gender-neutral” terms, the Washington Examiner reported. For example, “husband” and “wife” would simply become “spouse.”

In the early 1970’s my wife and I had the pleasure to see Elvis in person at the Hilton in Las Vegas. As he did in every show he closed his act with this trilogy. Tell me why anyone in his right mind world find Dixie racial insensitive, ain’t being PC wonderful….
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vISPgbosZUw


5. San Diego school board member wants school named Robert E. Lee changed.

Looks like that school board member has no clue of Robert E. Lee's true abolitionist history. I swear Dev, liberals are like bots, they get programmed then do the same thing over and over and over. No brains, only memory chips. Did you hear the Lee memorial in Dallas was a victim of graffiti last night?

These morons like the mayor of Memphis are even demanding graves be desecrated and the remains moved elsewhere.

http://www.examiner.com/article/memphis-mayor-dig-up-dead-confederate-general-wife

[DEVOREFLYER]

Been reading a lot of BS about changing names, removing graves and various other disrespect of confederate soldiers and I came up with this.


Confederate soldiers, sailors, and Marines who fought in the Civil war were made U.S. Veterans by an act of Congress in in 1957, U.S. Public Law 85-425, Sec 410, which was approved 23 May, 1958. This made all Confederate Veterans equal to U.S. Veterans.

I smell the makings of a huge lawsuit if they follow through.

[HawgZWylde]

Been reading a lot of BS about changing names, removing graves and various other disrespect of confederate soldiers and I came up with this.


Confederate soldiers, sailors, and Marines who fought in the Civil war were made U.S. Veterans by an act of Congress in in 1957, U.S. Public Law 85-425, Sec 410, which was approved 23 May, 1958. This made all Confederate Veterans equal to U.S. Veterans.

I smell the makings of a huge lawsuit if they follow through.

I smell a lot more than lawsuits if they try...

[Lady Quagga]

These morons like the mayor of Memphis are even demanding graves be desecrated and the remains moved elsewhere.

http://www.examiner.com/article/memphis-mayor-dig-up-dead-confederate-general-wife


Been reading a lot of BS about changing names, removing graves and various other disrespect of confederate soldiers and I came up with this.


Confederate soldiers, sailors, and Marines who fought in the Civil war were made U.S. Veterans by an act of Congress in in 1957, U.S. Public Law 85-425, Sec 410, which was approved 23 May, 1958. This made all Confederate Veterans equal to U.S. Veterans.

I smell the makings of a huge lawsuit if they follow through.


I smell a lot more than lawsuits if they try...

I think most if not everyone on this board would agree that removing or desecrating the graves of confederate soldiers - or anyone else, for that matter - for political reasons is unacceptable. (If there is anyone who thinks otherwise, please speak up so we can pursue this line of deflection.)

And this has nothing to do with your backing of a flag whose resurgence was racist at it's core, regardless of it's Confederate history.

[Lady Quagga]

Looks like that school board member has no clue of Robert E. Lee's true abolitionist history.

Robert E. Lee had no abolitionist history. And before you go down that road, be prepared - I have all my responses necessary to respond to your apologetic stupidity.

[DEVOREFLYER]

"And if all others accepted the lie which the Party imposed – if all records told the same tale – then the lie passed into history and became truth."Who controls the past," ran the Party slogan, "controls the future: who controls the present controls the past." And yet the past, though of its nature alterable, never had been altered. Whatever was true now was true from everlasting to everlasting. It was quite simple. All that was needed was an unending series of victories over your own memory." -1984

[Lady Quagga]

Do you have a point?


"And if all others accepted the lie which the Party imposed – if all records told the same tale – then the lie passed into history and became truth."Who controls the past," ran the Party slogan, "controls the future: who controls the present controls the past." And yet the past, though of its nature alterable, never had been altered. Whatever was true now was true from everlasting to everlasting. It was quite simple. All that was needed was an unending series of victories over your own memory." -1984

[DEVOREFLYER]

The removal or desire to remove Confederate symbols/statues/monuments and to rename buildings/streets/places and streets is eerily like in the book 1984. The protagonist Winston Smith, a member of the Outer Party, works in the Records Department of the Ministry of Truth as an editor, revising historical records, to make the past conform to the ever-changing party line and deleting references to unpersons, people who have been "vaporised", i.e. not only killed by the state but denied existence even in history or memory.

It does not take a stretch of imagination to see some of the things portrayed in the book have come to life today.

[HawgZWylde]

Robert E. Lee had no abolitionist history. And before you go down that road, be prepared - I have all my responses necessary to respond to your apologetic stupidity.

I already said it. if you are "prepared", then let's see it...

[HawgZWylde]

I think most if not everyone on this board would agree that removing or desecrating the graves of confederate soldiers - or anyone else, for that matter - for political reasons is unacceptable. (If there is anyone who thinks otherwise, please speak up so we can pursue this line of deflection.)


And this has nothing to do with your backing of a flag whose resurgence was racist at it's core, regardless of it's Confederate history.

Unfortunately it does. In the near history, that flag was hijacked by racist democrat and nationalistic socialist founded groups like the KKK. Today, it has made a comeback not for racist purposes, but for what it was conceived for, a battle flag, or a symbol of rebellion against tyranny by an ever growing centralized federal government hell bent on consolidating power over the states and the individual, all in the name of social justice. Indeed, divide and conquer. The establishment has recognized that hence the attempted destruction and elimination of the civil war, and more specifically the Confederacy's true history. The establishment knows it's in trouble with the people hence the rise in popularity of a man like Donald Trump. Both establishment parties are literally "sh***ing bricks". You can ridicule him all you like, but it just makes the obvious that much more apparent. Today's minority groups are being used as pawns by an elitist globalist socialist/fascist movement for the purposes of further empowerment and financial gain for the elites, that you can't recognize that is not surprising. Or perhaps you do and are actually an active player in that. I believe the term "useless idiots" was coined for folks like that...

[Lady Quagga]

The removal or desire to remove Confederate symbols/statues/monuments and to rename buildings/streets/places and streets is eerily like in the book 1984. The protagonist Winston Smith, a member of the Outer Party, works in the Records Department of the Ministry of Truth as an editor, revising historical records, to make the past conform to the ever-changing party line and deleting references to unpersons, people who have been "vaporised", i.e. not only killed by the state but denied existence even in history or memory.

It does not take a stretch of imagination to see some of the things portrayed in the book have come to life today.

Don't claim to make comparisons to the book 1984. I've read it more than most.

[Lady Quagga]

Unfortunately it does. In the near history, that flag was hijacked by racist democrat and nationalistic socialist founded groups like the KKK. Today, it has made a comeback not for racist purposes, but for what it was conceived for, a battle flag, or a symbol of rebellion against tyranny by an ever growing centralized federal government hell bent on consolidating power over the states and the individual, all in the name of social justice. Indeed, divide and conquer. The establishment has recognized that hence the attempted destruction and elimination of the civil war, and more specifically the Confederacy's true history. The establishment knows it's in trouble with the people hence the rise in popularity of a man like Donald Trump. Both establishment parties are literally "sh***ing bricks". You can ridicule him all you like, but it just makes the obvious that much more apparent. Today's minority groups are being used as pawns by an elitist globalist socialist/fascist movement for the purposes of further empowerment and financial gain for the elites, that you can't recognize that is not surprising. Or perhaps you do and are actually an active player in that. I believe the term "useless idiots" was coined for folks like that...

Sorry, but no. There is no "near history" for its resurgence. That is nothing more than revisionist history you claim to be accusing others of committing.

[HawgZWylde]

Sorry, but no. There is no "near history" for its resurgence. That is nothing more than revisionist history you claim to be accusing others of committing.

Lol, mhmm...

[Lady Quagga]

Lol, mhmm...

You know Hawggy, I'm really surprised you haven't developed better arguing skills, considering your drywalling background and all....

[HawgZWylde]

You know Hawggy, I'm really surprised you haven't developed better arguing skills, considering your drywalling background and all....

DS is that you? Lol, ad hominem attack and ridicule means you lost the argument already. And my humble beginnings were in carpentry, not drywall. You truly should have known Mr/Ms IT techie...

[Lady Quagga]

I already said it. if you are "prepared", then let's see it...

And I already "said it". Robert E. Lee had no abolitionist history. He was a great General and a fine gentleman, but had the unfortunate circumstance of living in a time and place where his skills and thoughts condemned him to an unfortunate legacy. I admire Lee. I don't admire those who used him.

[Lady Quagga]

DS is that you? Lol, ad hominem attack and ridicule means you lost the argument already. And my humble beginnings were in carpentry, not drywall. You truly should have known Mr/Ms IT techie...

Sorry drywaller. Once again: there is no "near history" for its resurgence. That is nothing more than revisionist history you claim to be accusing others of committing.

[noleash]

Slave history that they don't teach in school.

They came as slaves; vast human cargo transported on tall British ships bound for the Americas. They were shipped by the hundreds of thousands and included men, women, and even the youngest of children.

Whenever they rebelled or even disobeyed an order, they were punished in the harshest ways. Slave owners would hang their human property by their hands and set their hands or feet on fire as one form of punishment. They were burned alive and had their heads placed on pikes in the marketplace as a warning to other captives.

We don’t really need to go through all of the gory details, do we? We know all too well the atrocities of the African slave trade.

But, are we talking about African slavery? King James II and Charles I also led a continued effort to enslave the Irish. Britain’s famed Oliver Cromwell furthered this practice of dehumanizing one’s next door neighbor.

The Irish slave trade began when James II sold 30,000 Irish prisoners as slaves to the New World. His Proclamation of 1625 required Irish political prisoners be sent overseas and sold to English settlers in the West Indies. By the mid 1600s, the Irish were the main slaves sold to Antigua and Montserrat. At that time, 70% of the total population of Montserrat were Irish slaves.

Ireland quickly became the biggest source of human livestock for English merchants. The majority of the early slaves to the New World were actually white.

From 1641 to 1652, over 500,000 Irish were killed by the English and another 300,000 were sold as slaves. Ireland’s population fell from about 1,500,000 to 600,000 in one single decade. Families were ripped apart as the British did not allow Irish dads to take their wives and children with them across the Atlantic. This led to a helpless population of homeless women and children. Britain’s solution was to auction them off as well.

During the 1650s, over 100,000 Irish children between the ages of 10 and 14 were taken from their parents and sold as slaves in the West Indies, Virginia and New England. In this decade, 52,000 Irish (mostly women and children) were sold to Barbados and Virginia. Another 30,000 Irish men and women were also transported and sold to the highest bidder. In 1656, Cromwell ordered that 2000 Irish children be taken to Jamaica and sold as slaves to English settlers.

Many people today will avoid calling the Irish slaves what they truly were: Slaves. They’ll come up with terms like “Indentured Servants” to describe what occurred to the Irish. However, in most cases from the 17th and 18th centuries, Irish slaves were nothing more than human cattle.

As an example, the African slave trade was just beginning during this same period. It is well recorded that African slaves, not tainted with the stain of the hated Catholic theology and more expensive to purchase, were often treated far better than their Irish counterparts.

African slaves were very expensive during the late 1600s (50 Sterling). Irish slaves came cheap (no more than 5 Sterling). If a planter whipped or branded or beat an Irish slave to death, it was never a crime. A death was a monetary setback, but far cheaper than killing a more expensive African. The English masters quickly began breeding the Irish women for both their own personal pleasure and for greater profit. Children of slaves were themselves slaves, which increased the size of the master’s free workforce. Even if an Irish woman somehow obtained her freedom, her kids would remain slaves of her master. Thus, Irish moms, even with this new found emancipation, would seldom abandon their kids and would remain in servitude.

In time, the English thought of a better way to use these women (in many cases, girls as young as 12) to increase their market share: The settlers began to breed Irish women and girls with African men to produce slaves with a distinct complexion. These new “mulatto” slaves brought a higher price than Irish livestock and, likewise, enabled the settlers to save money rather than purchase new African slaves. This practice of interbreeding Irish females with African men went on for several decades and was so widespread that, in 1681, legislation was passed “forbidding the practice of mating Irish slave women to African slave men for the purpose of producing slaves for sale.” In short, it was stopped only because it interfered with the profits of a large slave transport company.

England continued to ship tens of thousands of Irish slaves for more than a century. Records state that, after the 1798 Irish Rebellion, thousands of Irish slaves were sold to both America and Australia. There were horrible abuses of both African and Irish captives. One British ship even dumped 1,302 slaves into the Atlantic Ocean so that the crew would have plenty of food to eat.

There is little question that the Irish experienced the horrors of slavery as much (if not more in the 17th Century) as the Africans did. There is, also, very little question that those brown, tanned faces you witness in your travels to the West Indies are very likely a combination of African and Irish ancestry. In 1839, Britain finally decided on it’s own to end it’s participation in Satan’s highway to hell and stopped transporting slaves. While their decision did not stop pirates from doing what they desired, the new law slowly concluded THIS chapter of nightmarish Irish misery.

But, if anyone, black or white, believes that slavery was only an African experience, then they’ve got it completely wrong.

Irish slavery is a subject worth remembering, not erasing from our memories.

But, where are our public (and PRIVATE) schools???? Where are the history books? Why is it so seldom discussed?

Do the memories of hundreds of thousands of Irish victims merit more than a mention from an unknown writer?

Or is their story to be one that their English pirates intended: To (unlike the African book) have the Irish story utterly and completely disappear as if it never happened.

None of the Irish victims ever made it back to their homeland to describe their ordeal. These are the lost slaves; the ones that time and biased history books conveniently forgot.

You can buy the book and read the whole history.
http://i.imgur.com/vFACcjQ.jpg
A story that is alive and well among the Hispanic community and ungst a many women around the world...:Evil:

[Brent]

Ok arsehole, lets see who the freaking pussy is, you meet me at DVL, you pick time and day, and we'll see who the real pussy is, a**clown. And have your bootlickee DS show up with you too...

Yea...maybe you can beat some racism into me you a$$wipe. Grow up. I left Jr. High over 40 years ago.
I'm just saying looks like a duck, walks like duck, quacks like a duck. You have every right to post your racist crap on here just as we have every right to call you out on being just that. Got to love America...or oh I'm sorry "Mericah!"

[Brent]

While on one hand I do have to agree with the "Dark Side".....on second thought "The White Side", that it has spun a bit out of control. That being said, just remember this.
Women couldn't even vote until the 20th century when it was finally forced, black people couldn't eat at the same restaurants or ride the same transportation as whites as recently as the 60's, THATS OUR GENERATION! I witnessed horrible crap my entire childhood first hand, so pleeeeease shut the hell up. You will never in a billion years win this argument, because you are just plain ignorant, wrong and too stupid to see it.
So for that flag to finally be removed, I have absolutely no issue with. I grew up in the South and fully understand the "true underlying" meaning of it, not some spin you try to put on it.
I don't speak to my own father and one of my brothers anymore because of their extreme right wing tea bagger racists views. They can't let go long enough to have an intelligent conversation and I had to make a decision to remove the negative hate from my life. My wife is half black and half Lebanese and I have a fully black adopted daughter and I grew up in black areas of Houston as a white boy. I've seen plenty first hand to know exactly where I'm coming from without you 'wannabe' rednecks trying to convince me otherwise. Do all civilized people a favor and please hurry and move back to "Good ole Dixie" with the rest of the idiots as soon as possible. You know you don't like compassionate people that care about the planet we live on anyways.

[HawgZWylde]

Yea...maybe you can beat some racism into me you a$$wipe. Grow up. I left Jr. High over 40 years ago.
I'm just saying looks like a duck, walks like duck, quacks like a duck. You have every right to post your racist crap on here just as we have every right to call you out on being just that. Got to love America...or oh I'm sorry "Mericah!"

Nothing I posted here is racist. I challenge you to prove it. Your ramblings and rhetoric prove you haven't a clue to what you are talking about. I say you are yet another anonymous keyboard coward. You want to falsely call me names and ridicule me with false accusations be man enough to stand by your words and face your accusee face to face. I left jr. high just about the same time as you so we are even. I stand by what I sat and am not afraid of being non-PC. Again, prove what you accuse me of or STFU coward...

[HawgZWylde]

While on one hand I do have to agree with the "Dark Side".....on second thought "The White Side", that it has spun a bit out of control. That being said, just remember this.
Women couldn't even vote until the 20th century when it was finally forced, black people couldn't eat at the same restaurants or ride the same transportation as whites as recently as the 60's, THATS OUR GENERATION! I witnessed horrible crap my entire childhood first hand, so pleeeeease shut the hell up. You will never in a billion years win this argument, because you are just plain ignorant, wrong and too stupid to see it.
So for that flag to finally be removed, I have absolutely no issue with. I grew up in the South and fully understand the "true underlying" meaning of it, not some spin you try to put on it.
I don't speak to my own father and one of my brothers anymore because of their extreme right wing tea bagger racists views. They can't let go long enough to have an intelligent conversation and I had to make a decision to remove the negative hate from my life. My wife is half black and half Lebanese and I have a fully black adopted daughter and I grew up in black areas of Houston as a white boy. I've seen plenty first hand to know exactly where I'm coming from without you 'wannabe' rednecks trying to convince me otherwise. Do all civilized people a favor and please hurry and move back to "Good ole Dixie" with the rest of the idiots as soon as possible. You know you don't like compassionate people that care about the planet we live on anyways.

Indeed, to ideologically blind to see the truth...

[twin22s]

My 2 cents,
I agree with the removal of the flag, its not an active recognized flag. It is not the governments or any government entities place to have that flag flying.
It is however the right of an individual to do so as he or she chooses. It has nothing to do with race. The flag being depicted as a symbol of slavery makes me sick. I'm tired of everything always being about race. That is the reason we still have a problem.

The more people complain about racism and the more laws passed to force businesses and individuals to cater to minorities, (aka reverse-racism) the longer it will take to get rid of it.

This should be the only law regarding race:
"No person, or group of people shall receive or be denied special privileges by government or private business based on ethnicity"

Get rid of the ethnic "quota" in the workplace!

Remember this line "let them be judged by the content of their character and not by the color of their skin" time for uncle Sam to put that into practice.

Racism is becoming an excuse for peoples lack of character... sad to see.

[DarkShadow]

My 2 cents,
I agree with the removal of the flag, its not an active recognized flag. It is not the governments or any government entities place to have that flag flying.
It is however the right of an individual to do so as he or she chooses. It has nothing to do with race. The flag being depicted as a symbol of slavery makes me sick. I'm tired of everything always being about race. That is the reason we still have a problem.

The more people complain about racism and the more laws passed to force businesses and individuals to cater to minorities, (aka reverse-racism) the longer it will take to get rid of it.

This should be the only law regarding race:
"No person, or group of people shall receive or be denied special privileges by government or private business based on ethnicity"

Get rid of the ethnic "quota" in the workplace!

Remember this line "let them be judged by the content of their character and not by the color of their skin" time for uncle Sam to put that into practice.

Racism is becoming an excuse for peoples lack of character... sad to see.

In your opinion, what is the difference between ethnicity and race, and how should this difference be applied, using your example, in the job force?

If Uncle Sam should put into practice judging someone by their character and not their skin, should this practice also be applied, by let's say, the police?

[noleash]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HLdpf6wJFyg

[DarkShadow]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HLdpf6wJFyg

I'm glad that video came with subtitles.

[HawgZWylde]

In your opinion, what is the difference between ethnicity and race, and how should this difference be applied, using your example, in the job force?

If Uncle Sam should put into practice judging someone by their character and not their skin, should this practice also be applied, by let's say, the police?

Wordplay...

The entire hiring process for an LEO is a psych-eval. Police officers are humans like everybody else, except they have the balls to put themselves in life threatening situations on a regular basis, unlike most others. Most all LEO's join with the best of intentions but some crack under all the pressure which includes from those who have a PC hammer above their heads at all times. Hate cops much Miguel?

[HawgZWylde]

My 2 cents,
I agree with the removal of the flag, its not an active recognized flag. It is not the governments or any government entities place to have that flag flying.
It is however the right of an individual to do so as he or she chooses. It has nothing to do with race. The flag being depicted as a symbol of slavery makes me sick. I'm tired of everything always being about race. That is the reason we still have a problem.

The more people complain about racism and the more laws passed to force businesses and individuals to cater to minorities, (aka reverse-racism) the longer it will take to get rid of it.

This should be the only law regarding race:
"No person, or group of people shall receive or be denied special privileges by government or private business based on ethnicity"

Get rid of the ethnic "quota" in the workplace!

Remember this line "let them be judged by the content of their character and not by the color of their skin" time for uncle Sam to put that into practice.

Racism is becoming an excuse for peoples lack of character... sad to see.

Well said except I disagree in one aspect;

I agree with the removal of the flag, its not an active recognized flag. It is not the governments or any government entities place to have that flag flying.

The government is "by the people and for the people", in other words the government works for the people. That flag represents a huge part of the South's history and if the majority in each 'state' wants it to fly over their building under the Stars and Stripes they should have the freedom to do so. The politicians in those states who have taken it upon themselves to eliminate that flag are doing so, politically speaking, at their own peril. They should put it to a vote and let the people decide, anything else would be against the founding intentions...

[DarkShadow]

Hate cops much Miguel?
I love cops.

My dad was a cop.

:)

[noleash]

Here is a nice little intermission for all the masses tuning in!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hoGpiU0WC88&list=RDhoGpiU0WC88

[etucker1959]

I love cops.

My dad was a cop.

:)
So I take it your dad was, "top cop pop's!!!" lol

[DarkShadow]

So I take it your dad was, "top cop pop's!!!" lol

Ridiculing a cop?!

Seriously?

[etucker1959]

Ridiculing a cop?!

Seriously?
Ridiculing!!!!! Now I know how HawgZY feels when something goes over peoples head!!!! "Top Cop Pop's" means you had the greatest admiration for your father!!!! Geez!!!!!!!!

[DarkShadow]

Ridiculing!!!!! Now I know how HawgZY feels when something goes over peoples head!!!! "Top Cop Pop's" means you had the greatest admiration for your father!!!! Geez!!!!!!!!

Now i know what it feels like when chum gets thrown overboard.

[noleash]

Well said except I disagree in one aspect;


The government is "by the people and for the people", in other words the government works for the people. That flag represents a huge part of the South's history and if the majority in each 'state' wants it to fly over their building under the Stars and Stripes they should have the freedom to do so. The politicians in those states who have taken it upon themselves to eliminate that flag are doing so, politically speaking, at their own peril. They should put it to a vote and let the people decide, anything else would be against the founding intentions...

This is..... Correct Sir! The real issue here is the impact of a digitalized society having on our social stucture! There was a vote, not a traditional vote, but most definitly a crunching of a popular concensus of digitalized opinion vote! Popular opinion means VOTES ..... VOTES = POWER = CORRUPTION AND GREED = LOSS OF YOUR CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS = HELL. Bleed RED....Bleed BLUE....It's your Right as an American,but always REMEMBER that two heads are better than one! :Idea:

[noleash]

This is..... Correct Sir! The real issue here is the impact of a digitalized society having on our social stucture! There was a vote, not a traditional vote, but most definitly a crunching of a popular concensus of digitalized opinion vote! Popular opinion means VOTES ..... VOTES = POWER = CORRUPTION AND GREED = LOSS OF YOUR CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS = HELL. Bleed RED....Bleed BLUE....It's your Right as an American,but always REMEMBER that two heads are better than one! :Idea:

So the Irony here is .... In review of my post there is a POP UP add asking "Take it down" Then there is a "VOTE NOW" box that I could have "CLICKED ON" to "VOTE NOW" ..... That is if .... I was ignorant enough to actually "CLICKED ON" To VOTE! :Evil:

[noleash]

This is..... Correct Sir! The real issue here is the impact of a digitalized society having on our social stucture! There was a vote, not a traditional vote, but most definitly a crunching of a popular concensus of digitalized opinion vote! Popular opinion means VOTES ..... VOTES = POWER = CORRUPTION AND GREED = LOSS OF YOUR CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS = HELL. Bleed RED....Bleed BLUE....It's your Right as an American,but always REMEMBER that two heads are better than one! :Idea:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HLdpf6wJFyg

[Brent]

Indeed, to ideologically blind to see the truth...

My god are you freaking stupid.
Tough guy **** is played out, because you don't even know who I am or what I'm about or what I've done in my life. As usual, you're just assuming that because I don't share your f'd up views that I'm some pussy lefty jerkoff.
You my friend will say the wrong thing in public around the wrong person and will pay the price for it one day, mark my words. That is unless you only say it online or to your friends in private?????
You still don't understand the perception of that damn flag. OK, maybe you're not a 'racists' so to speak due to the fact that I just 'assumed' you were because of your display and defense of that despicable flag even though I have not seen you make any racists remarks on this forum. Maybe you're just an ignorant white guy that has no freaking idea what that flag means to people of color. How could you, you probably have never been around or had any family that is of color and PLEEEEASE do not say that you have a black friend or I take back every single word!
I 'assume' you're just guilty by association. There is that better?

[Brent]

Now i know what it feels like when chum gets thrown overboard.

AAAAHHHHHhh HAAAaaaaa!

[dpaulus9]

My god are you freaking stupid.
Tough guy **** is played out, because you don't even know who I am or what I'm about or what I've done in my life. As usual, you're just assuming that because I don't share your f'd up views that I'm some pussy lefty jerkoff.
You my friend will say the wrong thing in public around the wrong person and will pay the price for it one day, mark my words. That is unless you only say it online or to your friends in private?????
You still don't understand the perception of that damn flag. OK, maybe you're not a 'racists' so to speak due to the fact that I just 'assumed' you were because of your display and defense of that despicable flag even though I have not seen you make any racists remarks on this forum. Maybe you're just an ignorant white guy that has no freaking idea what that flag means to people of color. How could you, you probably have never been around or had any family that is of color and PLEEEEASE do not say that you have a black friend or I take back every single word!
I 'assume' you're just guilty by association. There is that better?

this pretty much says it all. one race of peoplewho only sees one side of an issue. i'll give you a couple of what i beleive in. if the flag is used for hate or used by kkk or any of those white supremacy(sp?) groups, then i also have an issue with that. but when the flag is used for history for the confederate history and its people, then i don't. but brent, to call someone ignorant just because they dont see it as you do... is just as ignorant. two favorite words blacks use against whites...racist and ignorant lol. i dont pay too much attention on what blacks cry about due to their double standards. when they get over their hate and rcist behaviour, then i'll start to listen......maybe

[Lady Quagga]

this pretty much says it all. one race of peoplewho only sees one side of an issue.

Did you just make a blanket statement about one race of people?


i'll give you a couple of what i beleive in. if the flag is used for hate or used by kkk or any of those white supremacy(sp?) groups, then i also have an issue with that. but when the flag is used for history for the confederate history and its people, then i don't.

And once again, since it seems to be falling on a lot of willfully deaf ears - the Confederate flag owes it's resurgence to racially bigoted and pro-segregation groups of the 1950's. That resurgence had been twisted into the guise of "southern pride", in a pathetic attempt to maintain some semblance of legitimacy.


but brent, to call someone ignorant just because they dont see it as you do... is just as ignorant. two favorite words blacks use against whites...racist and ignorant lol. i dont pay too much attention on what blacks cry about due to their double standards. when they get over their hate and rcist behaviour, then i'll start to listen......maybe

Brent actually did acknowledge the possibility that Hawggy isn't racist, but is either unable or unwilling to acknowledge that the Confederate flag embodies some of the most despicable and hateful thoughts in this country's history. If it's the latter, then it is in fact willful ignorance.

[inlandghia]

that flag stands for hatred and bigotry it has no place in society except in a museum. Most African American like myself all feel the same anytime that flag is displayed.

[twin22s]

Things are not racist, people are... Things are what people make them. I don't like some people for the way that they live or the things that they do but I don't tell them they have to change for me. Life, Liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

46619

[HawgZWylde]

Did you just make a blanket statement about one race of people?



And once again, since it seems to be falling on a lot of willfully deaf ears - the Confederate flag owes it's resurgence to racially bigoted and pro-segregation groups of the 1950's. That resurgence had been twisted into the guise of "southern pride", in a pathetic attempt to maintain some semblance of legitimacy.



Brent actually did acknowledge the possibility that Hawggy isn't racist, but is either unable or unwilling to acknowledge that the Confederate flag embodies some of the most despicable and hateful thoughts in this country's history. If it's the latter, then it is in fact willful ignorance.


And once again, since it seems to be falling on a lot of willfully deaf ears - the Confederate flag owes it's resurgence to racially bigoted and pro-segregation groups of the 1950's. That resurgence had been twisted into the guise of "southern pride", in a pathetic attempt to maintain some semblance of legitimacy.

This is NOT the "Confederate" flag, this is the BATTLE FLAG adopted by the confederacy. The rebel flag was hijacked by racist southern DEMOCRAT created groups such as the KKK for a time in the mid 20th century. The Civil war was NOT about racism, slavery or anything to do with race, but was all about state rights and economics. The leftist revisionists of today want you to believe it's race based because today's South embraces right to work laws, low taxes, INDIVIDUAL freedom and liberties and many are calling for secession due to the federal government's growing overbearing power, interference in business and socialization of our society. The rebel battle flag is being used as a tool by the globalist socialist/fascist movement to sow division in our nation. Unfortunately too many know nothing about our nation's true history.


Brent actually did acknowledge the possibility that Hawggy isn't racist, but is either unable or unwilling to acknowledge that the Confederate flag embodies some of the most despicable and hateful thoughts in this country's history. If it's the latter, then it is in fact willful ignorance.

As I said, I am NOT a racist in any way. And as I stated earlier in this thread I abhor slavery of any kind by any people. I am a constitutional conservative and I believe in state rights, limited federal government, low taxes and individual freedom and liberties which the South of TODAY embraces and the left doesn't. You are a propagandist and have a stalker mentality towards me...

[HawgZWylde]

that flag stands for hatred and bigotry it has no place in society except in a museum. Most African American like myself all feel the same anytime that flag is displayed.

Then are you calling for the Stars and Stripes to be relegated to a museum too? Slavery was just as apparent in the North as the South. The Rebel flag stands for state rights and the right of the states to do business with limited federal government interference as well as "Southern pride"...

[Brent]

This is NOT the "Confederate" flag, this is the BATTLE FLAG adopted by the confederacy. The rebel flag was hijacked by racist southern DEMOCRAT created groups such as the KKK for a time in the mid 20th century. The Civil war was NOT about racism, slavery or anything to do with race, but was all about state rights and economics. The leftist revisionists of today want you to believe it's race based because today's South embraces right to work laws, low taxes, INDIVIDUAL freedom and liberties and many are calling for secession due to the federal government's growing overbearing power, interference in business and socialization of our society. The rebel battle flag is being used as a tool by the globalist socialist/fascist movement to sow division in our nation. Unfortunately too many know nothing about our nation's true history.




As I said, I am NOT a racist in any way. And as I stated earlier in this thread I abhor slavery of any kind by any people. I am a constitutional conservative and I believe in state rights, limited federal government, low taxes and individual freedom and liberties which the South of TODAY embraces and the left doesn't. You are a propagandist and have a stalker mentality towards me...

You are now officially worth ignoring. Don't cry. I'm sure Lady Quagga will keep you entertained. As for me. I now feel like I'm wrestling with a pig in the mud and the pig REEEEEEEAAAAALY likes it.
You're NEVER going to get it because you are not capable and by the way, you're absolutely wrong by saying the South embraces the flag unless you want to confirm every single thing I've ever said and agree that it's the "WHITE SOUTH" that embraces it.
I will wait for you ridiculous reply and be done with you.

[Brent]

that flag stands for hatred and bigotry it has no place in society except in a museum. Most African American like myself all feel the same anytime that flag is displayed.

Thank you my brother from another mother. The wannabe 'Rednecks' on this board are very hard headed and are either racists or ignorant to why African Americans hate the flag. It has to be one or the other.

[Brent]

Things are not racist, people are... Things are what people make them. I don't like some people for the way that they live or the things that they do but I don't tell them they have to change for me. Life, Liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

46619

Then by all means feel free to make a nice big hang-mans noose and grab your good ole flag and have good walk up MLK Blvd in any of our countries urban areas and see how people react. By all means it is a free country, that's why it's so great and we can discuss things like this, BUT it's that symbol of the hatred and abuse that brings up the emotions in people. Yes you are by all means free to display it and at the same yes we are free to react how we see fit. What if nobody was ever told they needed to change? Then all of the in the closet and out of the closet racists would have there way and there would still be slaves and women would still be third class citizens that can't vote. You can't have it both ways. Some people are just plain mean and hateful and will abuse and kill people for sport. At some point somebody has to stand up against them. You cannot use the "I don't like some people for the way that they live or the things that they do but I don't tell them they have to change for me" argument.

[Brent]

this pretty much says it all. one race of peoplewho only sees one side of an issue. i'll give you a couple of what i beleive in. if the flag is used for hate or used by kkk or any of those white supremacy(sp?) groups, then i also have an issue with that. but when the flag is used for history for the confederate history and its people, then i don't. but brent, to call someone ignorant just because they dont see it as you do... is just as ignorant. two favorite words blacks use against whites...racist and ignorant lol .i dont pay too much attention on what blacks cry about due to their double standards. when they get over their hate and rcist behaviour, then i'll start to listen[/B]......maybe

Lady Quagga addressed a lot of these things very well in her post. I just have a couple of other things to say. You have really shown your true colors by what you posted. I have 100% confidence that you are a racist my friend.

"i dont pay too much attention on what blacks cry about due to their double standards. when they get over their hate and rcist behaviour, then i'll start to listen"

OK, let's see. What about this just might tip someone off that you don't like black people? Would it be the first sentence or would it be the second sentence? Either one is very telling of who you really are, so you're opinion means nothing to me. You're the typical, " I can't be racist, I have a black friend". Do you for one second think that after hundreds of years of murder, rape, torture that all of the sudden, lets say oh around the sixties when the civil rights movement started up, we'll start there. Why that's a good 40-50 years to get over that while we still shoot you unarmed and display the confederate flag everywhere and constantly remind you how we run everything. You so badly want to believe the racism towards blacks is over. You must live in a bubble, under a rock or in a very affluent area, because if you had any urban in you, you'd understand. By all means they should just forget about it. Only problem is a lot of people won't let them. While it has gotten much better for them, a lot are still suffering from the hundreds of years of oppression and need a little empathy.

[dpaulus9]

Lady Quagga addressed a lot of these things very well in her post. I just have a couple of other things to say. You have really shown your true colors by what you posted. I have 100% confidence that you are a racist my friend.

"i dont pay too much attention on what blacks cry about due to their double standards. when they get over their hate and rcist behaviour, then i'll start to listen"

OK, let's see. What about this just might tip someone off that you don't like black people? Would it be the first sentence or would it be the second sentence? Either one is very telling of who you really are, so you're opinion means nothing to me. You're the typical, " I can't be racist, I have a black friend". Do you for one second think that after hundreds of years of murder, rape, torture that all of the sudden, lets say oh around the sixties when the civil rights movement started up, we'll start there. Why that's a good 40-50 years to get over that while we still shoot you unarmed and display the confederate flag everywhere and constantly remind you how we run everything. You so badly want to believe the racism towards blacks is over. You must live in a bubble, under a rock or in a very affluent area, because if you had any urban in you, you'd understand. By all means they should just forget about it. Only problem is a lot of people won't let them. While it has gotten much better for them, a lot are still suffering from the hundreds of years of oppression and need a little empathy.
brent's showing more of his ignorance
:ROFL:

[Lady Quagga]

This is NOT the "Confederate" flag, this is the BATTLE FLAG adopted by the confederacy. The rebel flag was hijacked by racist southern DEMOCRAT created groups such as the KKK for a time in the mid 20th century. The Civil war was NOT about racism, slavery or anything to do with race, but was all about state rights and economics. The leftist revisionists of today want you to believe it's race based because today's South embraces right to work laws, low taxes, INDIVIDUAL freedom and liberties and many are calling for secession due to the federal government's growing overbearing power, interference in business and socialization of our society. The rebel battle flag is being used as a tool by the globalist socialist/fascist movement to sow division in our nation. Unfortunately too many know nothing about our nation's true history.

Both you and your buttboy Dev have referred to it as the Confederate flag, so you can spare us the history lesson as if it gives you some sort of leverage. It doesn't. Once again, regardless of its Civil War history, the flag owes its resurgence to racist movements of the fifties, not southern pride or anything else, and it is because of that resurgence that you see it being flown today.


As I said, I am NOT a racist in any way. And as I stated earlier in this thread I abhor slavery of any kind by any people. I am a constitutional conservative and I believe in state rights, limited federal government, low taxes and individual freedom and liberties which the South of TODAY embraces and the left doesn't. You are a propagandist and have a stalker mentality towards me...

Stalker mentality? No one is forcing you to post here (in fact a few folks amusingly cheered at your self-imposed exile), but if you've got another thing coming if you think your nonsense will go unchecked. And you can spare us your pick-and-choose identification with southern political views - the highest percentage of gay porn viewers is in the South, and I don't see you embracing that "southern tradition".

[twin22s]

Hey I went fishing the other day with my friends, Mike "E", Mike, David, and Jayson. AKA Black Mike, Jafar, Marques and whitie. We caught some fish and drank some beers. We all lived happily ever after, True story. I posted a report on the trip but no one responded to it. seems everyone is too busy arguing over this crap.

All you need to know is:
"Don't be a Dick"

Each of us are responsible for our own actions, no matter what the motives are.

[Brent]

brent's showing more of his ignorance
:ROFL:

That's your reply? I expected so much more from you. I'm disappointed.
You may not agree with my views on racism, but one thing I can 100% promise you is that I am not ignorant on the subject. I grew up in black neighborhoods in the Texas half of my life, my wife is half black and Lebanese from Detroit and my adopted daughter is full black (my niece), so to say I've seen a lot of crap from idiots like you would be an understatement. I don't associate with my own father and older brother because they're Tea Baggers with extreme racist views and guess what? THEY DON"T THINK THEY"RE RACIST EITHER. Just shut up already.

[HawgZWylde]

Both you and your buttboy Dev have referred to it as the Confederate flag, so you can spare us the history lesson as if it gives you some sort of leverage. It doesn't. Once again, regardless of its Civil War history, the flag owes its resurgence to racist movements of the fifties, not southern pride or anything else, and it is because of that resurgence that you see it being flown today.

Flat out lie moron. Screw your resurgence propaganda crap, the flag has always been about Rebellion and Battle. Only your buttlovers the demorats made it a repulsive racial issue for a period in the mid-twentieth century and now you use it to stir the flames, not us. We try to explain true history and you spin it to instigate animosity and anger. Your true ugly character shines loud and clear troll.




Stalker mentality? No one is forcing you to post here (in fact a few folks amusingly cheered at your self-imposed exile), but if you've got another thing coming if you think your nonsense will go unchecked. And you can spare us your pick-and-choose identification with southern political views - the highest percentage of gay porn viewers is in the South, and I don't see you embracing that "southern tradition".

You are a classic example of a cyber stalker. You respond to and try to character assassinate anyone you disagree with, which is anyone to the right of you. Ha, a couple of liberals cheered when I left? Oh I'm sooo butthurt, whaaaaa. More than a few pm'd me telling me not to bail, so I didn't. Glad that bums you out princess. I don't pick and choose anything. I say it like it is. The truth may hurt some, especially those who have bought all the revisionists lies, but the truth is what should and needs to be said, PC be damned...

[Lady Quagga]

Flat out lie moron. Screw your resurgence propaganda crap, the flag has always been about Rebellion and Battle. Only your buttlovers the demorats made it a repulsive racial issue for a period in the mid-twentieth century and now you use it to stir the flames, not us. We try to explain true history and you spin it to instigate animosity and anger. Your true ugly character shines loud and clear troll.

Sorry Hawggy, but it's a fact - racist politics is the underlying reason the stars and bars holds such prominence now. And I really don't care under which political party the Dixiecrats operated. I've never been a Democrat, and I take no umbrage at criticisms of its past or present.


You are a classic example of a cyber stalker. You respond to and try to character assassinate anyone you disagree with, which is anyone to the right of you. Ha, a couple of liberals cheered when I left? Oh I'm sooo butthurt, whaaaaa. More than a few pm'd me telling me not to bail, so I didn't. Glad that bums you out princess. I don't pick and choose anything. I say it like it is. The truth may hurt some, especially those who have bought all the revisionists lies, but the truth is what should and needs to be said, PC be damned...

Hawggy, if you look back at my posts, you will find I was one of those who expressed that you leaving was unwarranted. But it was still funny as hell when you soiled your didies and left.

And yes, you pick and choose all the time, as it suits your narrow-minded viewpoints.

[dpaulus9]

brent....thats ok.. you can keep on spewing your hate. thats all you done on your post to others who dont agree with you. unlike you, i can understand both sides of these issues. i guess you cant educate ignorant people like you. lol

[Lady Quagga]

brent....thats ok.. you can keep on spewing your hate. thats all you done on your post to others who dont agree with you. unlike you, i can understand both sides of these issues. i guess you cant educate ignorant people like you. lol

And I see you dodged my post responding to you, so here it is again. Perhaps you'd like to respond.


this pretty much says it all. one race of peoplewho only sees one side of an issue.

Did you just make a blanket statement about one race of people?


i'll give you a couple of what i beleive in. if the flag is used for hate or used by kkk or any of those white supremacy(sp?) groups, then i also have an issue with that. but when the flag is used for history for the confederate history and its people, then i don't.

And once again, since it seems to be falling on a lot of willfully deaf ears - the Confederate flag owes it's resurgence to racially bigoted and pro-segregation groups of the 1950's. That resurgence had been twisted into the guise of "southern pride", in a pathetic attempt to maintain some semblance of legitimacy.


but brent, to call someone ignorant just because they dont see it as you do... is just as ignorant. two favorite words blacks use against whites...racist and ignorant lol. i dont pay too much attention on what blacks cry about due to their double standards. when they get over their hate and rcist behaviour, then i'll start to listen......maybe

Brent actually did acknowledge the possibility that Hawggy isn't racist, but is either unable or unwilling to acknowledge that the Confederate flag embodies some of the most despicable and hateful thoughts in this country's history. If it's the latter, then it is in fact willful ignorance.

[HawgZWylde]

And I see you dodged my post responding to you, so here it is again. Perhaps you'd like to respond.



Did you just make a blanket statement about one race of people?



And once again, since it seems to be falling on a lot of willfully deaf ears - the Confederate flag owes it's resurgence to racially bigoted and pro-segregation groups of the 1950's. That resurgence had been twisted into the guise of "southern pride", in a pathetic attempt to maintain some semblance of legitimacy.



Brent actually did acknowledge the possibility that Hawggy isn't racist, but is either unable or unwilling to acknowledge that the Confederate flag embodies some of the most despicable and hateful thoughts in this country's history. If it's the latter, then it is in fact willful ignorance.


but is either unable or unwilling to acknowledge that the Confederate flag embodies some of the most despicable and hateful thoughts in this country's history. If it's the latter, then it is in fact willful ignorance.

Indeed I did acknowledge it. As I said previously, some democrat/nationalistic socialist created hate groups hijacked that flag for a period in the mid 20th century. They were the few and the minority. The vast majority of southerners did not support those groups and thus cannot be blamed for the actions of the few. If you want to ban flags then you must ban all of them, including the Stars and Stripes because slavery existed much longer under that flag. With that being said it's ridiculous because slavery was a worldwide phenomenon that has touched nearly every race since humanity existed and was ended 160 years ago in America. No one in modern times has endured slavery in the USA and it is now being used as a political weapon to silence those who oppose the demorat agenda, indeed of all political parties, the democrats themselves are the ones who perpetuated the hate. It was the republicans who ended slavery AND overwhelmingly voted to pass the civil rights act in the 60's which the majority of democrats at that time vehemently opposed . Today they are despicably using it for political gain AND hiding their own involvement in the perpetuation of hate. They are using race division tactics to divide this nation in their twisted thought that they can further the advancement of centralized federal government power over the people. Far too many due to apathy, ignorance, or just flat out hate cannot recognize that fact and in fact will give up all their INDIVIDUAL rights for the sake of political correctness. The Confederate battleflag today, as it was in the 19th century, is a symbol of rebellion against the federal government's overreaching, overbearing power and that is why the socialist democrats and the establishment now want it's elimination and they are USING certain folks to achieve that goal...

Now I'm done with this thread because I'm quite bored with the redundancy...

[Lady Quagga]

Indeed I did acknowledge it.

I wasn't addressing you, you nincompoop.


As I said previously, some democrat/nationalistic socialist created hate groups hijacked that flag for a period in the mid 20th century. They were the few and the minority. The vast majority of southerners did not support those groups and thus cannot be blamed for the actions of the few.

That is patently false. The Dixiecrats in fact took the popular vote and their respective electoral votes in 4 southern states, and there is strong electoral evidence to support that they would have taken as many as 5 additional southern states had they not had to run as a third party ticket. So no, they were not in the minority.


If you want to ban flags then you must ban all of them, including the Stars and Stripes because slavery existed much longer under that flag. With that being said it's ridiculous because slavery was a worldwide phenomenon that has touched nearly every race since humanity existed and was ended 160 years ago in America. No one in modern times has endured slavery in the USA and it is now being used as a political weapon to silence those who oppose the demorat agenda, indeed of all political parties, the democrats themselves are the ones who perpetuated the hate.

You gotta love it when Hawggy starts coming up with desperate rationalizations about OTHER flags to back his pathetic support the confederate flag.


It was the republicans who ended slavery AND overwhelmingly voted to pass the civil rights act in the 60's which the majority of democrats at that time vehemently opposed .

Your parents have any children that lived? Your claim that the majority of democrats opposed the civil rights act is a blatant lie:

By party[edit]

The original House version:[20]
Democratic Party: 152–96 (61–39%)
Republican Party: 138–34 (80–20%)

Cloture in the Senate:[21]
Democratic Party: 44–23 (66–34%)
Republican Party: 27–6 (82–18%)

The Senate version:[20]
Democratic Party: 46–21 (69–31%)
Republican Party: 27–6 (82–18%)

The Senate version, voted on by the House:[20]
Democratic Party: 153–91 (63–37%)
Republican Party: 136–35 (80–20%)


Today they are despicably using it for political gain AND hiding their own involvement in the perpetuation of hate. They are using race division tactics to divide this nation in their twisted thought that they can further the advancement of centralized federal government power over the people. Far too many due to apathy, ignorance, or just flat out hate cannot recognize that fact and in fact will give up all their INDIVIDUAL rights for the sake of political correctness. The Confederate battleflag today, as it was in the 19th century, is a symbol of rebellion against the federal government's overreaching, overbearing power and that is why the socialist democrats and the establishment now want it's elimination and they are USING certain folks to achieve that goal...

Once again, the flag owes its prominence today due to its resurgence in the 1950s by racist, pro-segregation south. It is that FACT which makes its use today so divisive. Trying to mask that underlying motivation by claiming "southern pride" or "individual/states rights" is disingenuous and despicable. Purporting that its use is nothing more than some sort of anti-establishment stand is no less than willful ignorance, and absolutely shameful.


Now I'm done with this thread because I'm quite bored with the redundancy...

That's right, quit while you're behind....

[HawgZWylde]

Of course you are playing on my mistake of including the word "of" in my sentence "majority of democrats". Democrats held the congressional majority and could have easily passed this legislation had they truly supported it.

The Republican passed '64 civil rights act

During the Kennedy administration, the Republican minority in Congress introduced many bills to protect the constitutional rights of blacks, including a comprehensive new civil rights bill.
In February 1963, to head off a return by most blacks to the party of Lincoln, Kennedy abruptly decided to submit to Congress a new civil rights bill. Hastily drafted in a single all-nighter, the Kennedy bill fell well short of what the republican party had introduced into Congress the month before. Over the next several months, Democrat racists in Congress geared up for a protracted filibuster against the civil rights bill.The bill was before a committee in the House of Representatives when John Kennedy was murdered in November 1963.
Invoking his slain predecessor, Lyndon Johnson made passage of the bill his top priority, and in his first speech to Congress he urged Representatives and Senators to do "more for civil rights than the last hundred sessions combined". Though he shared Johnson ́s convictions on safeguarding the constitutional rights of blacks, if Nixon had been in the White House then instead, Democrats in favor of segregation and those unwilling to see a Republican achieve the victory would have blocked his legislative initiative in Congress. The 1964 Civil Rights Act was an update of Republican Senator Charles Sumner ́s 1875 Civil Rights Act. In striking down that law in 1883, the Supreme Court had ruled that the 14th amendment was not sufficient constitutional authorization, so the 1964 version had to be written in such a way as to rely instead on the interstate commerce clause for its constitutional underpinning. Mindful of how Democrat opposition had forced the Republicans to weaken their 1957 and 1960 Civil Rights Acts, President Johnson warned Democrats in Congress that this time it was all or nothing. To ensure support from Republicans, he had to promise them that he would not accept any weakening of the bill and also that he would publicly credit the republican party for its role in securing congressional approval. Johnson played no direct role in the legislative fight, so that it would not be perceived as a partisan struggle. There was no doubt that the House of Representatives would pass the bill. In the Senate, Minority Leader Everett Dirksen had little trouble rounding up the votes of most Republicans, and former presidential candidate Richard Nixon also lobbied hard for the bill. Senate Majority Leader Michael Mansfield and Senator Hubert Humphrey led the Democrat drive for passage, while the chief opponents were Democrat Senators Sam Ervin, of later Watergate fame, Albert Gore Sr., and Robert Byrd. Senator Byrd, a former Klansman whom Democrats still call "the conscience of the Senate", filibustered against the civil rights bill for fourteen straight hours before the final vote. The House of Representatives passed the bill by 289 to 124, a vote in which 80% of Republicans and 63% of Democrats voted “yes”. The Senate vote was 73 to 27, with 21 Democrats and only 6 Republicans voting “no”. President Johnson signed the new Civil Rights Act into law on July 2, 1964. Overall, there was little overt resistance to the 1964 Civil Rights Act. The struggle was not yet over, however, as most southern state governments remained under the control of segregationist Democrats. And now, most of those Southern states are under the control of the republican party.

Why do you hate so much...

[dpaulus9]

lad quagga...wasnt dodging.didnt find it an issue to respond to what you said since i understand the blacks perpective of that flag. if you read some parts of my post...i also stated i have an issue with this flag when used by kkk or similar groups. i just find it humorous to have blacks catagorize all whites as racist simply on what we beleive. didnt respond to you cause i agreed with parts of your post.

[Lady Quagga]

Of course you are playing on my mistake of including the word "of" in my sentence "majority of democrats". Democrats held the congressional majority and could have easily passed this legislation had they truly supported it.

Let's entertain your pathic grammatical excuse for a moment. Whether you meant to say "majority of democrats" or "majority democrats", your statement is still false, and I presented the voting stats to prove it.


The Republican passed '64 civil rights act

I am sure there is a point to your plagiarism of Michael Zak's essay. Perhaps it was to validate your false claim of opposition of the Civil Rights Act by the "majority of democrats"/"majority democrats".


And now, most of those Southern states are under the control of the republican party.

Which only goes to show that racist/bigot views transcend party politics, and has since the creation of this country.


Why do you hate so much...

Quit crying, Hawggy. Oh wait, you can't help it - as your history of going back on your own word points out yet again:


Now I'm done with this thread because I'm quite bored with the redundancy...

[HawgZWylde]

Let's entertain your pathic grammatical excuse for a moment. Whether you meant to say "majority of democrats" or "majority democrats", your statement is still false, and I presented the voting stats to prove it.



I am sure there is a point to your plagiarism of Michael Zak's essay. Perhaps it was to validate your false claim of opposition of the Civil Rights Act by the "majority of democrats"/"majority democrats".



Which only goes to show that racist/bigot views transcend party politics, and has since the creation of this country.



Quit crying, Hawggy. Oh wait, you can't help it - as your history of going back on your own word points out yet again:


No plagiarizing, I didn't claim it as my own nor am I profiting on it. Nice try. I ask you again, why do you hate so much? And again, I'll come and go as I please. If I want to address your nonsensical hate towards me I will, if I don't I won't. But go ahead Caitlyn, you have to have the last word as most psychopaths do...

[Lady Quagga]

No plagiarizing, I didn't claim it as my own nor am I profiting on it. Nice try.

Yes, you did plagiarize it. Deal with it.


I ask you again, why do you hate so much?

And I say again: quit crying. Or would you prefer I tell you that the only thing I hate is wanton stupidity and ignorance, which you epitomize? Either works.


And again, I'll come and go as I please. If I want to address your nonsensical hate towards me I will, if I don't I won't.

Sure, you can contradict yourself as much as you want to placate your pathetic ego by responding to me.

[Brent]

brent....thats ok.. you can keep on spewing your hate. thats all you done on your post to others who dont agree with you. unlike you, i can understand both sides of these issues. i guess you cant educate ignorant people like you. lol

I'm not spewing hate other than refuting ignorant remarks. I don't hate anyone or anything. I've never threatened violence or anything like that as some on here have towards me. So your comments really make no sense. You're calling me ignorant for not agreeing with you. A little hypocritical there you think?

[DarkShadow]

Oh, did you hear Donald Trump's upcoming speech in Arizona had to be relocated to a much larger venue due to a huge demand for attendance? Imagine that, the demorats are giving away tickets to their leading lady(?) Her Hilariousnesse's speeches and still can't even come close to filling up the venues...

I just had to quote this for posterity's sake.

The passive aggressive support for Trump in posts like this is fantastic, and I hope he does gets the nomination. And if not, I hope he runs as an Independent and gets the loony vote.

Hawgz, you a Trump supporter, or was this parenthetical just coincidence?

[Lady Quagga]

I just had to quote this for posterity's sake.

The passive aggressive support for Trump in posts like this is fantastic, and I hope he does gets the nomination. And if not, I hope he runs as an Independent and gets the loony vote.

Hawgz, you a Trump supporter, or was this parenthetical just coincidence?

DS, you'll have to forgive Hawggy for not responding to you right away. Word has it he got delayed in Columbia, S.C. - something about a rally he was in last Saturday or something....

[DarkShadow]

DS, you'll have to forgive Hawggy for not responding to you right away. Word has it he got delayed in Columbia, S.C. - something about a rally he was in last Saturday or something....

Hey, when you realize the same BS you spew here, is the same BS that the neo-Nazis are spewing in SC, perhaps a vacation from this thread is in order.

I just hope the two *** clowns keep portraying the flag in their avatar like they promised. I'm sure certain citizens tried to do the same thing circa 1946, and tried to justify it as "German Heritage."

[Lady Quagga]

And so it goes. - LQ

By DAVID MORGAN CBS NEWS October 12, 2015, 12:14 PM
​Ga. Confederate flag supporters face terrorism charges

Last Updated Oct 12, 2015 2:22 PM EDT

Fifteen individuals associated with a group of Confederate flag supporters in Douglas County, Ga., have been indicted on terrorism charges, it was announced on Monday.

The charges are related to a July 25 incident in which members of a group called Respect the Flag drove a convoy of vehicles displaying Confederate flags through a neighborhood in Douglasville, when they were involved in an altercation with residents outside a home where a children's birthday party was taking place.

According to a July 27 Atlanta Journal-Constitution report, those engaged in the confrontation offered conflicting accounts of what happened.

Residents said the demonstrators entered their neighborhood and started shouting racial slurs.

"One had a gun, saying he was gonna kill the n******," Melissa Alford, who was holding the birthday party, told the paper. "Then one of them said, 'Gimme the gun, I'll shoot them n******."

Levi Bush, one of the drivers, told the paper the convoy had been attacked by residents throwing rocks, and after he got a flat tire the residents swarmed his truck and threatened him.

Video of the altercation, during which police are seen separating the demonstrators from residents, was later posted online:

[omitted]

On Monday the Douglas County District Attorney's Office released a letter stating that following an investigation by local police and the D.A., a grand jury handed down indictments charging individuals from Respect the Flag with violations of the state's Street Gang Terrorism and Prevention Act and making terroristic threats.

Two members of the group were also indicted on battery charges in a separate incident that took place that same day.

© 2015 CBS Interactive Inc. All Rights Reserved.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/georgia-confederate-flag-supporters-face-terrorism-charges/

[DarkShadow]

"One had a gun, saying he was gonna kill the n******," Melissa Alford, who was holding the birthday party, told the paper. "Then one of them said, 'Gimme the gun, I'll shoot them n******."

Everyone knows this was just those historical reenactments of The South, circa 1910 that they do on the weekends for the tourists. These people are not terrorists. These are just passionate Southerners who enjoy participating in historical reenactments in their spare time and are all for rebellion against tyranny by an ever growing centralized federal government hell bent on consolidating power over the states and the individual, all in the name of social justice.

:Cool:

[Brent]

Everyone knows this was just those historical reenactments of The South, circa 1910 that they do on the weekends for the tourists. These people are not terrorists. These are just passionate Southerners who enjoy participating in historical reenactments in their spare time and are all for rebellion against tyranny by an ever growing centralized federal government hell bent on consolidating power over the states and the individual, all in the name of social justice.

:Cool:
Aaaahhhhhhhh! I missed you guys.
been stupid busy working and NOT fishing and just popped in to say hello.
Good to see the "Grand Ole Flag" is still being carried along.

[Lady Quagga]

Georgia couple gets prison for racist threats at child's birthday party
By Mayra Cuevas and Ralph Ellis

(CNN) - A Georgia couple who rode with a Confederate flag-waving group that made armed threats against African-Americans at a child's birthday party were sentenced to prison Monday.

Jose "Joe" Torres, was sentenced to 20 years, with 13 years in prison, after a jury convicted him on three counts of aggravated assault, one count of making terroristic threats and one count of violating of Georgia's Street Gang Terrorism and Prevention Act.

Kayla Norton was sentenced to 15 years, with six years in prison. She was convicted on one count of making terroristic threats and one count of violation of the Street Gang Act.

"Many people tried to make the case about simply flying the Confederate Battle Flag," Douglas County District Attorney Brian Fortner said in a statement. "This case was about a group of people riding around our community, drinking alcohol, harassing and intimidating our citizens because of the color of their skin."

On July 25, 2015, Torres and Norton, joined about a dozen other people in a convoy of pickup trucks waving large Confederate flags as they drove around Douglas County, a suburban Atlanta community. Most of them belonged to a group called "Respect the Flag."

"The convoy of trucks passed by the victim's residence where the victims were grilling hot dogs and hamburgers while hosting a child's birthday party featuring a bouncy castle, snow-cone machines, and a DJ," the district attorney's office posted on its official Facebook page.

The party-goers said the people in the trucks yelled racial slurs as they passed, the statement said.

The drivers parked the trucks near the house, prosecutors said. Torres was part of a smaller group that "threatened to kill the party goers while repeatedly using derogatory racial slurs against them," said the statement.

"Torres, who had retrieved a shotgun from his vehicle, pointed his shotgun at the group of African American party-goers and stated he was going to kill them while his co-defendants stated that 'the little ones can get one too,' referring to the young children at the party," the statement said.

Norton was accused of making similar threats. The victims said some member of Torres' group was armed with a knife and a tire tool.

According to the district attorney's statement, Torres testified he carried the shotgun because he feared for his friends' safety. The Atlanta Journal-Constitution reported members of "Respect the Flag" said people at the party had thrown objects at them.

CNN has tried to reach the two defendants' lawyers for comment.

After the arrests, investigators looked through the defendants' Facebook accounts, the statement said.

"Law enforcement was able to locate numerous posts and messages indicating that members of the group were white supremacists who discussed attending KKK rallies, joining Skinheads Nation, and making numerous derogatory remarks about African Americans as a whole," the DA's statement said.

Video of Monday's sentencing shot by WSB-TV, a CNN affiliate, showed both Torres and Norton breaking down in court as Judge William McClain handed down the sentence.

Norton apologized for her role in the incident saying, "I want you all to know that is not me. That is not me, that is not him. I would never walk up to you and say those words to you. I'm so sorry that happened to you. I am so sorry."

Hyesha Bryant, one of the people at the party, testified at the hearing and told Norton, "What you said affected my life. It affected my children's lives."

But Bryant ended up telling Norton that "I forgive you, I forgive all of you."

A jury convicted Torres and Norton on February 6. They are both banished from Douglas County when they're released from prison.

Fifteen members of the Respect the Flag group were originally indicted. The disposition of all their cases is unknown, but the district attorney said some of them pleaded guilty to similar charges and received shorter sentences.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/02/27/us/georgia-couple-confederate-flags-threats/index.html

[hookdfisherman]

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"Prosecutors have said that the cases against Torres, Norton and other defendants are not based on their right to fly a Confederate flag, but on threats against the victims."

(D umb s, you can goog L that whole phrase, for ref... the ny time or post, me thinks]


This fake news agency;

(http://www.cnn.com/2017/02/27/us/georgia-couple-confederate-flags-threats/index.html)

should have left their reference to that flag out of it's reported story.

But alas, they just had to keep repeating it over and over and over.

Mr. Torres and the Ms. [And compadres, I mean accomplices ] COULD have been waving some chitty as's net... they woulda got the same prison sentence...

(Or... omg! Maybe not? But...)

I believe they would and should have... what say you o dbaters of fish and other blown-up-outta-proportion crappie topic trollmeisters?

Could that reporter from cnn have left that multi-flag reference out? Would they have brought it up so much if they all had horribly made wooden nets? Wavin' dat sheet as they rode by yelling their racial slurs and attacking the birthday party attendees?






Hey d umb s, did you know this Torres guy?

I jus know the beisbol one... you prolly know more dan me.


What with your extensive knowledge of flags and meth and treble hooks and basketball rebound materials and stock pricing [but only the cheap as's $18 dollar ones) and nets and how to value them and warranties and spacing and how to Google hookdfisherman phrases and, and, and....

Lol, there's so many... I'd have to look up all the rest... do you think I should?






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[DarkShadow]

Georgia couple gets prison for racist threats at child's birthday party
By Mayra Cuevas and Ralph Ellis

(CNN) - A Georgia couple who rode with a Confederate flag-waving group that made armed threats against African-Americans at a child's birthday party were sentenced to prison Monday.
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http://www.cnn.com/2017/02/27/us/georgia-couple-confederate-flags-threats/index.html

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[etucker1959]

BREAKING NEWS

Hawgz and Devore have started a commissary fund via GoFundMe for both these individuals.

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Make America Great Again!

I'm a little surprised those 2 haven't even once come out and try to defend their political beliefs. Hell I had an easier time smoking out an 8 foot Black Bear out of a cave once in Redding Ca. Then to get either one of them to respond to all the Chaos their political party caused once they came to power!!!!

[Brent]

Why bother? To liberals, ignorance and apathy is bliss. With that being said this is your thread and Dev responded factually yet you deflect from rebutting his post avoiding having to counter his thoughts and facts. Then you dangle a carrot in order to bring me onto your thread. Troll much DS? This is my one and only post on this troll thread so cherish it Homey.

http://i.imgur.com/vOfmdYM.jpg

Both under attack by the left;
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Just shut the hell up and go back under your racist rock already

[Lady Quagga]

Tennessee school removes Confederate flag, lynching murals
By Amy La Porte, CNN
Updated 3:07 PM ET, Mon March 5, 2018

(CNN) - A painting of a Confederate flag and a mural depicting a lynching have been removed from the walls of a Tennessee school gymnasium.

The mural showed a white man, dressed in blue, hanging from a rope tied to a tree branch. Another person was standing nearby, in a red jersey, and holding a Confederate flag.

The painting was intended to depict an athletic team rivalry.

It's unclear how long the paintings have been inside the South Cumberland Elementary School, located 100 miles east of Nashville, but a complaint was first made in December by a concerned janitor of a nearby elementary school.

On Friday, after months of calls and emails to the superintendent and the school board, David Clark, took his concerns public.

"Germany does not display Nazi symbols. This is not heritage, it is racism," he wrote on a Facebook post.

"No action has been planned or taken as of today so I am asking people to call and let them know in a respectful manner, how you feel about these racist symbols being on full public display where children can see them."

Less than 24 hours later, the post had at least 500 comments and more than 200 shares. Later that same day, the Confederate flag was gone and the mural was repainted to scrap the lynching.

"Concerns regarding graphics in our gymnasium have been dealt with by removing the rebel flags painted on the wall, and by modifying the mural on the wall as well," school principal Darrell Threet said in a statement to CNN.

"I guarantee you the black children noticed it, and the white children don't need to see this either," Clark told CNN.

"Removing it didn't seem like a priority... but white supremacy in this country is becoming too organized and too emboldened to ignore something like this in our schools," he said. "I am glad they got to painting, but I am not sure why they ever wanted lynching a part of their school spirit."

But by Saturday the comments below Clark's post had turned vitriolic, and were overwhelmingly in favor of the mural in its original form.

Some Facebook users mocked the proponents of the removal as "unpatriotic" and disrespectful of Southern heritage.

One Crossville resident told CNN affiliate WZTV she had no problem with the mural.

"It's part of our heritage and how they were brought up so I just don't have a problem with flying the rebel flag," Wendy Reed said. "Kid hanging that would bother me, but sometimes I think we just make it bigger than it needs to be."

Confederate symbols have been hotly debated since deadly protests by white supremacists and neo-Nazis in Charlottesville, Virginia, last year.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/05/us/hanging-confederate-mural/index.html

http://image.ibb.co/nyuJYS/confedschool.png

[Brent]

Iv gotta put my 2cents in cant help it.


As far as the cross flag,,That flag was taken down by a more American flag of equality, The stars and stripes,,,,,,,,it should have never flown again imop,,

Only 3 flags should fly on any Fed or state bldg.,,,,The Stars and stripes,,,AND< the only flag aloud to fly at the same height>yes there is one<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<,,and the state flag,,,But not the southern cross

Somehow in my mind it<The S,Cross still represents race descrimination to me,and always has,,And that's coming from a south tx man.



TRAIL BLAZER

Well said tb. I agree and am also a born and raised Texan that moved to California. No matter the 'original' reasons, although they were not all very nice or American, the flag stands for horrible things and suffering that people endured under it and should be removed out of respect and not flown in their faces.