Good News on ramp extension.

[JV]

It should be completed around Nov. 2015.

http://www.mwdh2o.com/mwdh2o/pages/board/current/pdf/05122015%20BOD%207-3%20B-L.pdf

[HawgZWylde]

Great news!Thanks for posting this. Now pray for rain so we can start using it...

[chompot]

Great news!Thanks for posting this. Now pray for rain so we can start using it...

We need snowpack!.... baaad.

[parkermann2]

http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-32704506

We could be getting that rain this winter. This years El Niño prediction is stronger than last years

[BassinPLS]

It should be completed around Nov. 2015.

http://www.mwdh2o.com/mwdh2o/pages/board/current/pdf/05122015%20BOD%207-3%20B-L.pdf

I gleaned from the linked report the following financial information:
Costs of initial ramp extension = $648,000
Launch Fees Collected since ramp extension = $340,790
Add'l. Fees: Fishing & Trail Permits & Citations = $352,969, (which does not reflect the increase in fees since they doubled the fishing permit fee a few months ago)!
Total Launch Fees & Fishing Permit Revenues since 1st ramp extension = $693,759
Costs of 1st Ramp Extension = $ 648,000
Difference - Residual Revenues since 1st ramp extension from private boaters = +$45,759

Obviously, the loss of the private boat launch fees and fishing permits are losing them money! It does take rocket science to figure out they need the private boater to increase their revenues.

[HuskerRod]

Good news.....great!!!!!

[gogreeenz4]

cant wait to see the new prices after this is done............

[BassinPLS]

cant wait to see the new prices after this is done............

Assuming the same revenue income as the last 9 years, the new ramp extension would be paid for in 4 years - 4 months, without a rate increase.

[seal]

Same company that runs DVL is going nuts with price increases at Lake Gregory that they run, only at it a year and they are requesting dramatic increases.

Good luck!

[gogreeenz4]

Assuming the same revenue income as the last 9 years, the new ramp extension would be paid for in 4 years - 4 months, without a rate increase.

your crazy if you don't think they are going to raise rates....they wont wait 4 months let alone 4 years! i'd bet my bottom dollar they raise rates in typical diamond fashion.. but hey what can you do! what sucks is they raise rates but don't raise salaries or benefits for the hard working folks ( stan, Tom, etc ) that make diamond what it is! some idiot in a suit behind a desk is the only pocket that gets bigger...

also did you configure the price of water they are going to have to buy back? they aren't just going to extend the ramp and call it good they need to put the ramp under a few feet of water.............

[BentRod]

people are never happy! They have agreed to extend the ramp so we can launch and people are still complaining. If there is a cost increase so be it. I want to fish dammit!!

[gogreeenz4]

bent rod your right! but.........

I am still just a little bitter about how they treated the pass holders when they shut down the ramp!

No refund, no compromise, nothing! but you are right.

MWD is paying for this extension so there should not be any rate increases but I wouldn't hold my breathe on that....

[BassinPLS]

bent rod your right! but.........

I am still just a little bitter about how they treated the pass holders when they shut down the ramp!

No refund, no compromise, nothing! but you are right.

MWD is paying for this extension so there should not be any rate increases but I wouldn't hold my breathe on that....

MWD is not paying for the ramp extension, we boater are! They make a profit every time someone launches there. I quit fishing DVL, except for club tournaments; because it just got too darn expensive

[JV]

I signed a statement when I got my last pass to the effect that there would be no extension or refund on the pass if the ramp was closed. That was OK with me & I got my moneys worth even though there were a couple months left on it. If you didn't want to accept that, you should not have bought the pass.

I don't know how you figure MWD makes a profit with every launch. Guess I missed that in Econ 101. If the launch goes up some, so be it. Please continue to stay away. During the week it's like a private like as it is. Lot of "profit" for them there.

[Matt_Magnone]

Be grateful you woke up this morning
Be grateful you even have the freedom to fish
Be grateful our lakes were built and stocked in Southern California with angling in mind
Be grateful DVL built an extension TO BEGIN WITH otherwise we would have been out of ramp a LONG time ago.
Be grateful MWD voted to extend the ramp
Be grateful MWD didn't shut the lake down years ago!

[HuskerRod]

I signed a statement when I got my last pass to the effect that there would be no extension or refund on the pass if the ramp was closed. That was OK with me & I got my moneys worth even though there were a couple months left on it. If you didn't want to accept that, you should not have bought the pass.

I don't know how you figure MWD makes a profit with every launch. Guess I missed that in Econ 101. If the launch goes up some, so be it. Please continue to stay away. During the week it's like a private like as it is. Lot of "profit" for them there.

I just really miss fishing there..plain and simple.

[JV]

Well said Matt

[inthroughtheocean]

I wonder what how much it translates to in vertical feet

[DEVOREFLYER]

I wonder what how much it translates to in vertical feet

You pose a good question and my guess would be a minimum 30 foot draw down based on current ramp construction standards and space below the ramp for construction equipment to operate. 14% grade is 14 feet of drop per 100 feet of ramp length.

1.
The preferred launch ramp slope of 14% will allow the boat trailer to be in
deep enough water to launch and retrieve from the trailer without the rear
tires of the tow vehicle being in the water. Establishment of launch ramp
slopes has been matched to the required depth needed to launch a typical
trailerable boat from its trailer.
2.
It is desirable that the area under the trailer tongue should be above the
waterline so the operator does not have to stand in the water to operate
the boat trailer winch during launch or retrieval activities .
3.
Occasionally, local conditions will dictate that a grade slightly more or less
from the preferred be used. To reduce the amount and cost of cut or fill
material, launch ramp slopes have been modified to better fit the grade of
the bank (within the allowable range). A small facility that caters to small
fishing boats does quite well with a 12% to 13% launch ramp.
4.
The designer must use extreme caution when considering
launch ramp slopes outside the accepted range of 12% to 15%. Potential
safety hazards can occur in these situations. If the launch ramp
slope is less than 12%, the tow vehicle and operator are subjected to immersion
in water during launch and retrieval.
6).
Launch ramp slopes that exceed 15% may cause traction or vehicle
/trailer handling issues.

[Skinny]

diamond-valley-boat-ramp
MWD Board authorizes extension of Diamond Valley Lake boat ramp 7
BY SDFISH.COM EDITOR ON MAY 13, 2015 FRESHWATER FISHING NEWS


The Metropolitan Water District’s Board of Directors voted on Tuesday to authorize the extension of the boat ramp at Diamond Valley Lake. Due to low water, the boat ramp was closed on April 15th. MWD issued the following press release announcing the news.

Making the most of receding water levels at Southern California’s largest storage reservoir in the midst of the four-year statewide drought, Metropolitan Water District’s Board of Directors voted today to fully extend the boat ramp at Diamond Valley Lake.

The board authorized design and construction to lengthen by another 120 feet Diamond Valley Lake’s existing concrete boat ramp to its ultimate build-out elevation just above the reservoir’s bottom near the lake’s East Marina.

The less-than-half-full lake near Hemet in southwest Riverside County today offers visible evidence of the drought’s impacts on Southern California, particularly after Metropolitan temporarily suspended private boat launches in mid-April when lake levels dropped below the current launch ramp.

“If there is a positive side to the water challenges created by this historic drought, it’s that it has provided us with the opportunity to take advantage of low lake levels to complete the boat launch ramp,” said Metropolitan board Chairman Randy Record.

“Diamond Valley Lake has played an essential role in meeting the region’s water supply needs during the past four years. Southern California would be in a much more serious water supply situation today had it not been for the water that has been withdrawn from this lake,” Record added.

Water levels at the region’s largest lake are expected to recede by the end of the year to the lowest point since Metropolitan began filling DVL more than 15 years ago. Today, storage in Diamond Valley Lake is at 46 percent of capacity.

Nearly doubling the region’s surface water storage capacity when it was dedicated in 2000, Diamond Valley Lake has a storage capacity of 810,000 acre-feet of water, with a surface water elevation of 1,756 feet above sea level. Since the drought began in 2012, lake levels have dropped by nearly 100 feet. (An acre-foot of water is nearly 326,000 gallons, about the amount used by five to seven people in a year.)

Under today’s board action, the middle three launch lanes of the 11-lane ramp will be extended with cast-in-place concrete to an elevation of 1,640 feet. The end of the built-out ramp would correspond with lake levels of approximately 293,000 acre-feet. Diamond Valley currently holds about 372,000 acre-feet.

Final design of the extension is expected to be completed in July, with the completion of construction in November. The total estimated cost of extension is about $500,000, with all work completed by Metropolitan staff.

Diamond Valley Lake’s original 11-lane boat ramp in 2003 was partially extended a year later to 490 feet of ramp. In July 2009, Metropolitan’s board voted to extend the middle three lanes after low lake levels in the fall of 2008 first required Metropolitan to temporarily suspend public boat launches due to the drought. The lake—considered one of the premier fishing destinations in Southern California—reopened to private boat launches in December 2009 after the middle of the ramp was extended 250 feet to a total of 740 feet long.

[inthroughtheocean]

I mean I wonder how many vertical feet the new ramp extension will be.

[DEVOREFLYER]

It's not common core math and not to difficult to compute. It's a 120 ft ramp extension at a 14% grade. 100 ft @ 14%=14 ft. A 120 ft ramp extension @ 14%=16.8 ft. I gave you a hint on my original answer that 100 ft length was 14 ft drop.

[inthroughtheocean]

Oh. My guess was 12 feet.

[chompot]

It's not common core math and not to difficult to compute. It's a 120 ft ramp extension at a 14% grade. 100 ft @ 14%=14 ft. A 120 ft ramp extension @ 14%=16.8 ft. I gave you a hint on my original answer that 100 ft length was 14 ft drop.

ooooooh but math is haaaarrdddd..... and logical.

[Stormcrow]

It's not common core math and not to difficult to compute. It's a 120 ft ramp extension at a 14% grade. 100 ft @ 14%=14 ft. A 120 ft ramp extension @ 14%=16.8 ft. I gave you a hint on my original answer that 100 ft length was 14 ft drop.

Old School Geometry my friend... And they said we would never use it in real life...:-)

[DEVOREFLYER]

For the common core math challenged:

If the original ramp is 490 ft long and the first extension added is 250 ft long and the new extension will be 120 ft. How many feet to the end of the total ramp length and how far under water at a 14% grade will the end be from the top of the ramp?

[Nipple Twister]

....Long enough and Too deep? :LOL:

[Skinny]

Huh, my brain hurts! I just hope it'll be usable sometime this year.

[HawgZWylde]

For the common core math challenged:

If the original ramp is 490 ft long and the first extension added is 250 ft long and the new extension will be 120 ft. How many feet to the end of the total ramp length and how far under water at a 14% grade will the end be from the top of the ramp?

The total length of the ramp after its completion will be 860 lineal feet. When the lake is at full pool, the water line is roughly 20-30 lineal feet below the top of the ramp so one must deduct that from the total length of the ramp. So the actual vertical distance the end of the ramp that is under water is;

490
+
250
+
120=860
-
25 lineal feet to full pool water line(x 14%= 3.5 vertical feet) = 835 total lineal feet of ramp under water
x
a 14% pitch=116.9 vertical feet under water at full pool. It's elementary, really...

[DEVOREFLYER]

The total length of the ramp after its completion will be 860 lineal feet. When the lake is at full pool, the water line is roughly 20-30 lineal feet below the top of the ramp so one must deduct that from the total length of the ramp. So the actual vertical distance the end of the ramp that is under water is;

490
+
250
+
120=860
-
25 lineal feet to full pool water line(x 14%= 3.5 vertical feet) = 835 total lineal feet of ramp under water
x
a 14% pitch=116.9 vertical feet under water at full pool. It's elementary, really...

WINNER WINNER........It's so easy an old school skilled craftsman can do it, today's youth not so much. :UDaMan:

[HawgZWylde]

WINNER WINNER........It's so easy an old school skilled craftsman can do it, today's youth not so much. :UDaMan:

Back in the day framing million $$$ plus custom homes we had to "cut" the roofs. No trusses in those days. Plus I do my own taxes. It's all relevant...

[DEVOREFLYER]

Back in the day framing million $$$ plus custom homes we had to "cut" the roofs. No trusses in those days. Plus I do my own taxes. It's all relevant...


Yip no computer or calculator just a tape measure and a framing square and it fit the first time. I have inspected old rough framing that fit better than finish cabinetry today. A skill set that is lost but to a few today.

[Dsrt Tortise]

I can't worry about a price increase to launch private boats at the lake.If this is the only way to keep using this beautiful fishery so be it.

I JUST WANT TO USE MY OWN BOAT!!!!!!!


Dsrt Tortise :Big Grin::No Pity::Dead Horse::Fishing Hole::Fishing Hole: