Question about line twisting problems

[billy b]

I just had two different spools wound at Ken's in Bport (I believe they said it was Maxima super limp). The both twisted up in the first few casts ... and then problems most of the day. Could it be both reels have a problem ... and what? Would the split shots with the ears on them cause the twisting? My drag was only barely loose enough and I didn't fight a lot of fish that broke the drag. I've started closing the bail manually after casting as someone told me that can cause twisting ... didn't matter.

I'm lost ... and would appreciate any suggestions.

[trail blazer]

affix the line to a solid object and back up and let out as much line as possible 100 feet or so if possible , THEN lock down the spool and back up more and STRETCH the line at a steady pressure at just under the breaking point for 20 seconds or so WHAMMO no more coils.Then untie the line from the solid object and reel up with the line running between your fingers Now your line will be twist free and limp on the reel,,,Yes split shots without the ears are better IMO!



I love maxima line but it always seens to take a set on the spool sooner then other lines IMO! and it always seem,d to be twisted when I first spool,d it on a new reel

If you try this remedy let me know how it works

Hope this helps.

TRAIL BLAZER

[shinbob]

I've started closing the bail manually after casting as someone told me that can cause twisting ... didn't matter.

Closing the bail manually, while a great practice, isn't really to prevent line twist. It's to prevent those little loops from forming on the spool that cause a real mess during casting. But you get those loops usually after you've gotten some line twist.

Removable split shot can definitely cause line twist, as anything else that's not perfectly balanced around the line's axis. Swivels don't help much when you are using very light line (2 or 4lb test). I got so fed up with line twist on my trout rods that I switched to 4lb nanofil and have never been happier. Knots with it can be tricky, though.

[Marley]

You didn't mention if you were trolling or bait fishing, but did mention not doing one of the things that would usually cause line to twist (drag breaking and still winding). Tossing a lure that spins will cause twist from the first spin of the blade or twist of the spoon. Pulling a removable splitshot backthrough the water can, but usually doesn't.
Having two reels do the same thing is unlikely. Most likely, it was how the line was wound onto the reel. I bet it went on backwards, counter to the twist on the bulk spool; even the pros do it wrong at times. Try stretching it, but you will probably have to replace it. Save yourself the headache and put on new line. Try Ande clear.

[old pudd fisher]

I use a swivel all the time seems to help the twisting problems ? But trail blazers thing looks good.

[NFCD I]

I agree with Marley. It sounds like the line was put un incorrectly. I've had good luck getting twist out of line by simply letting the line out of the back of the boat about 100 yards with nothing on it and troll for a couple of minutes. Wind the line in and you should be good to go.

[billy b]

Thanks everybody for the tips ... I'll see what I can do. Appreciate it VERY MUCH

[seal]

affix the line to a solid object and back up and let out as much line as possible 100 feet or so if possible , THEN lock down the spool and back up more and STRETCH the line at a steady pressure at just under the breaking point for 20 seconds or so WHAMMO no more coils.Then untie the line from the solid object and reel up with the line running between your fingers Now your line will be twist free and limp on the reel,,,Yes split shots without the ears are better IMO!



I love maxima line but it always seens to take a set on the spool sooner then other lines IMO! and it always seem,d to be twisted when I first spool,d it on a new reel

If you try this remedy let me know how it works

Hope this helps.

TRAIL BLAZER

Sounds like somebody has done some fly fishing. This is standard practice to stretch your fly line.

[DarkShadow]

affix the line to a solid object and back up and let out as much line as possible 100 feet or so if possible , THEN lock down the spool and back up more and STRETCH the line at a steady pressure at just under the breaking point for 20 seconds or so WHAMMO no more coils.

I think the guy is talking about line twist, and not memory loops.

If you stretch twisted line, it's still twisted.

[billy b]

I think the guy is talking about line twist, and not memory loops.

If you stretch twisted line, it's still twisted.

I had loops piling up on the spool and the line was pig tailed as it went up through the eyelets ... a bit of both

[DarkShadow]

I had loops piling up on the spool and the line was pig tailed as it went up through the eyelets ... a bit of both

Yeah, that's usually a sign that the person that spooled up the line may have had line that was wound incorrectly on the bulk spool (doubtful) or didn't pay attention to see if the line was twisting as they were spooling your reel.

As someone said, the easiest way to fix this if you have a boat is to drag 100 yards or so behind the boat and let the water tension untwist the line. After 5 minutes or so of dragging it behind the boat, reel it in and you should be set. Make sure you don't have anything tied on to the end of the line, obviously.

If you don't have a boat and you are near a very straight shoreline, you can kinda do the same thing by letting some line out at the water and walking parallel next to the water while letting as much line as as you can in the water as you're walking, while doing sweeping motions with your rod. (I don't recommend this unless you're sure you won't end up snagging miscellaneous crap on the shoreline (rocks, twigs, angler trash), and nicking your line in the process.)

[Stormcrow]

use braid...

[twin22s]

Spinning reels twist the line onto the spool. But usually not enough to cause the problems you were having. memory is the main cause of line falling of the spool when its not supposed to but maxima is known for its low memory... seems like a combination of a few things, twist, memory, line maybe too thick for the reel and not tightly wound. Braided line seems impervious to line twist and memory, where as mono is not and most floro is very prone to both.

I set my spool in a few inches of warm water while putting my line onto spinning reels, also stopping every once in awhile and letting slack in the line(while holding the line tight on the spool) to see if the line twists. when it does I turn the spool over. if the line is wound onto a spinning reel with a line winding machine it always gives me more problems.

[trail blazer]

Sounds like somebody has done some fly fishing. This is standard practice to stretch your line fly line.


Shhhhhhhhhh,,,,lol

[billy b]

use braid...

probably a good idea. I'm not familiar with braid ... only heard of it. But ... I"m one of the older generation.

[Fish-On!]

I know it's an old thread, but the cause might be your reel. If the line roller is stuck and not rolling as it should, you will always have line twist. If your line roller has a roller bearing it might be rusted and need to be replaced. Also possible that it's a defect on the reel. I've bought some reels before that had problems with line twist, only to find out the line roller isn't rolling at all, and was the cause.

[billy b]

What's the "line roller"

THANKS

[TroutOnly]

get seaguar next time billy.............

[Fish-On!]

What's the "line roller"

THANKS

Line roller is that round thing that's part of the bail. It is the one that releases and captures your line when opening and closing your bail. The line roller also guides the line through the spool as the rotor rotates when you crank the handle, and the spool moving up and down for even line lay. If your line roller is not rolling due to rust or due to a manufacturing defect, it will create twist on your line. At first you will not notice anything wrong with just a few cast and retrieve. But as you continue to cast and retrieve many times, you will notice that uber twist to the length of your line that goes out and then retrieved. A line roller that doesn't roll will guide line to the spool with alot of resistance and pressure, then combine that with the spool going up and down, the result is that wicked line twist.

[billy b]

get seaguar next time billy.............

Thanks for the tip TO

I generally use Seaguar from a tip from you long ago. I just get lazy and am driving past Ken's and never could drive by a tackle shop.

Do you ever guide at Bridgeport or Grant Lake in the Loop? I can even offer free room and board in my shack if that will help ...

[TroutOnly]

I going to be up at the loop doing some work for a good friend that guides at the loop ,after I finish working at his house im doing a bunch of fishing..........

[DockRat]

use braid...


probably a good idea. I'm not familiar with braid ... only heard of it. But ... I"m one of the older generation.

15 lb braid is the same size as 4 lb mono, I wasn't familiar with braid also. Once spooled up with braid you won't go back to mono.
Cast's farther, lasts much longer. Tie on a 4 lb leader or 20 lb leader. NO MORE LINE TWIST also.

All you have to do is learn a knot you like then carry different leader sizes. Using my 9' rod for surf fishing, calico bass, bonito, city park trout, cats, even LA River ghetto combat carp fishing.
DR

[billy b]

Do you have any idea of dates yet? Week days ... week ends?

[billy b]

Thanks for the good poop. Sounds like I won't be able to tie directly to my lure or bait, right?