Ferguson

[pcuser]

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Politics/Politics-Voices/2015/0306/Ferguson-report-finds-widespread-racial-bias-What-s-next

[Lady Quagga]

I think the Justice Department's report is a fair analysis, and it is right that Ferguson be called upon to implement some significant law enforcement changes or risk lawsuits (or worse, a takeover of law enforcement resposibilities by outside agencies). However, there is one part in the article that I take considerable issue with:


There’s a fairly detailed summary of some of the report’s more shocking findings that has been compiled by ABC News, but suffice it to say that there is clear evidence of not only racial bias on a casual basis by members of the Ferguson police force but that the laws of the city seem to be designed to have the harshest impact possible on the city’s poorest residents, the vast majority of whom are African-American. Most of these ordinances don’t target actual violent crime but rather the same sort of “quality of life” crimes that police departments in major cities such as New York City have been more aggressive in enforcing in recent years, most particularly against minorities.

The article refers to "quality of life" crimes. I can't help but wonder if the Justice Department report outlined who would indemnify both the police department and the city for damages sought due to their failure to enforce the laws (out of deference to the African-American community) with regard to these particular crimes? Are we supposed to believe that community policing will make such crimes disappear, when those committing them don't acknowledge their activities as being particularly criminal in nature? or do, but simply don't care enough about their community to change such behavior?

[pcuser]

Fair enough. Check this out.
http://news.yahoo.com/fergusons-conspiracy-against-black-citizens-130000799.html

[DarkShadow]

Justice Department?

You realize who is in charge with that?

http://impeachobamastore.us/images/obummer.jpg

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I blame Obama.

[Lady Quagga]

Fair enough. Check this out.
http://news.yahoo.com/fergusons-conspiracy-against-black-citizens-130000799.html

I've actually read several portions of the 100-plus page report, including many of the incidents cited in the article. As I said before, I agree with the Justice Department's assessment and believe a serious overhaul of Ferguson's law enforcement practices are in order.

[DarkShadow]

Hey, people are resigning!

It only took a federal investigation to confirm what citizens already knew.

Funny how the previous Ferguson thread brought out quite a few people's opinion, but this one has quietly gone unnoticed.

[HawgZWylde]

And now for the rest of the story;

http://news.investors.com/ibd-editorials/030515-742174-holder-frames-ferguson-pd-with-bogus-stats.htm?ref=MoreArticles

http://nypost.com/2015/03/09/ferguson-fake-out-justice-departments-bogus-report/

Ooops, my bad...

[DarkShadow]

And now for the rest of the story;

http://news.investors.com/ibd-editorials/030515-742174-holder-frames-ferguson-pd-with-bogus-stats.htm?ref=MoreArticles

http://nypost.com/2015/03/09/ferguson-fake-out-justice-departments-bogus-report/

Ooops, my bad...


Justice Department?

You realize who is in charge with that?

http://impeachobamastore.us/images/obummer.jpg

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I blame Obama.


I already covered that angle, Hawgz.

[DEVOREFLYER]

Remember that "fundamentally changing America" thingy?

http://i.imgur.com/UN5ViMn.jpg (http://imgur.com/UN5ViMn)

[Lady Quagga]

And now for the rest of the story;

http://news.investors.com/ibd-editorials/030515-742174-holder-frames-ferguson-pd-with-bogus-stats.htm?ref=MoreArticles

http://nypost.com/2015/03/09/ferguson-fake-out-justice-departments-bogus-report/

Ooops, my bad...

The opinion pieces you linked really sum up their argument as such: "The reason blacks are disproportionately the focus of and impacted by law enforcement activities in Ferguson is because they commit a preponderance of crimes." But this very argument involves circular reasoning. Furthermore, in focusing on and arguing the statistics, these opinion pieces ignore (or are dismissive of) the acrimonious climate between law enforcement and citizens, as well as the overly-punitive actions of the municipality in its assessing of civil penalties.

[Lady Quagga]

Remember that "fundamentally changing America" thingy?

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So, is it your contention that the folks in the bottom example are somehow less American or patriotic because they aren't waving flags?

Don't be stupid, Dev.

[HawgZWylde]

I already covered that angle, Hawgz.

Yup, you sure did there DS...

[HawgZWylde]

Remember that "fundamentally changing America" thingy?

http://i.imgur.com/UN5ViMn.jpg (http://imgur.com/UN5ViMn)

Yup, telling isn't it?

[Lady Quagga]

Yup, telling isn't it?

And now I ask you what I asked Dev:

Is it your contention that the folks in the bottom example are somehow less American or patriotic because they aren't waving flags?

Don't be stupid, Hawggy.

[HawgZWylde]

The opinion pieces you linked really sum up their argument as such: "The reason blacks are disproportionately the focus of and impacted by law enforcement activities in Ferguson is because they commit a preponderance of crimes." But this very argument involves circular reasoning. Furthermore, in focusing on and arguing the statistics, these opinion pieces ignore (or are dismissive of) the acrimonious climate between law enforcement and citizens, as well as the overly-punitive actions of the municipality in its assessing of civil penalties.

Lol, you are so predictable. Call them what you wish but those "opinion pieces" contain hard facts. Perhaps you have a bias and cannot accept the statistics? Funny, did anyone bother asking the cops?

Are we witnessing a federal government shakedown? With this administration, I wouldn't be surprised in the least.

Hey, did you and DS help build the Hildabeast's private home server or did they bring in Indian H1B's?

[HawgZWylde]

And now I ask you what I asked Dev:

Is it your contention that the folks in the bottom example are somehow less American or patriotic because they aren't waving flags?

Don't be stupid, Hawggy.

Old Confucius saying;

"actions speak louder than words"

No, it's not about that, it's much deeper and politically driven by ideology. No secret to those who pay attention.

But go ahead old wise one, let's hear it...

[Lady Quagga]

Lol, you are so predictable. Call them what you wish but those "opinion pieces" contain hard facts. Perhaps you have a bias and cannot accept the statistics? Funny, did anyone bother asking the cops?

Yes, they are opinion pieces. That they contain facts doesn't keep them from being opinion pieces. And I can accept statistics just fine - just not necessarily the opinions contained therein. And bias? Don't be stupid, Hawggy. I took considerable exception to the argument against "quality of life" enforcement of laws by the Ferguson P.D. and it's municipality. Are you now going to suggest that I maintain biases both for and against the Ferguson P.D. simultaneously? Get a goddamn clue.


Are we witnessing a federal government shakedown? With this administration, I wouldn't be surprised in the least.

I don't see at this time the need for a consent decree or some such similar action. I would give Ferguson the opportunity to institute reforms on their own - I think the desire to avoid costly litigation would be sufficient motivation for them to do so.


Hey, did you and DS help build the Hildabeast's private home server or did they bring in Indian H1B's?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uoghPts44Ng

[Lady Quagga]

Old Confucius saying;

"actions speak louder than words"

No, it's not about that, it's much deeper and politically driven by ideology. No secret to those who pay attention.

But go ahead old wise one, let's hear it...

Oh no you don't.

To suggest that some deeper political ideological disparity exists between the two marches, and that such a disparity is exemplified in the lack of flags in one picture compared to the other, is sheer stupidity. Such opinions are more a reflection of the idiots making them than anything else.

Old Confucian saying: "Never listen to a goddamn thing Hawgz says when he quotes Confucius."

[hookdfisherman]

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2 St. Louis County police officers shot outside Ferguson police department

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[etucker1959]

Yup, telling isn't it?
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[seal]

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[etucker1959]

You make it just too damn easy. Wrong website Etucker you need to check your URL, this is FNN not FNM (fun nude men).
So I take it FNM is a favorite website of yours??????? lol

[seal]

So I take it FNM is a favorite website of yours??????? lol

At the top of my favorites list just under ALS, now before you think I'm concerned about Lou's disease it really stands for "all liberal's suck".

[DarkShadow]

Lol, you are so predictable. Call them what you wish but those "opinion pieces" contain hard facts. Perhaps you have a bias and cannot accept the statistics? Funny, did anyone bother asking the cops?

You bring up a great point. I wonder if the DOJ even interviewed the cops for their side of the story.

Because stuff like this seems made up:

http://i.imgur.com/e3DeDrh.png

http://i.imgur.com/h6obEWR.jpg
Right Hawgz? Obviously made up.

Oh, and somebody obviously hacked their email because there's no way stuff like this gets sent via email:

http://i.imgur.com/FDZZXhS.jpg

But yes, this is an obvious case of a government shakedown.


Hey, did you and DS help build the Hildabeast's private home server or did they bring in Indian H1B's?

Naw, I heard she just used the same email server Karl Rove and GWB used back in 2007 to save on costs. ;-)

I'm sure you remember gwb43.com (http://web.archive.org/web/20070627174833/http://oversight.house.gov/story.asp?ID=1362), right Hawgz? I'm sure with your consistency, you were up in arms about that one too.

[Lady Quagga]

Oh, and somebody obviously hacked their email because there's no way stuff like this gets sent via email:

http://i.imgur.com/FDZZXhS.jpg

But yes, this is an obvious case of a government shakedown.

Hey, that looks a lot like PM's between Dev and Hawgz. Although they'd probably blame DR for sending them originally, and claim they only "forwarded" them.

[hookdfisherman]

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[DarkShadow]

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I saw puck sucking on a dude, Jack Daniels, at Fred hall. It's not fun nude men, it's fat nude man. Excuse me, I have to go and pluck mine eyes out after that spectacle.

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Sooooo...you have anything to say regarding the topic at hand?

[hookdfisherman]

Sooooo...you have anything to say regarding the topic at hand?

I'll try.

[DEVOREFLYER]

I defer to this quote from Sheriff David Clarke.

SHERIFF DAVID CLARKE, MILWAUKEE COUNTY: Well, this war on our nation's finest, the American police officer, continues, but it continues to be fueled by some very important people. It's empty rhetoric for what Eric Holder offered today and the president through a tweet of all things, when they have now an obligation to stand up and remind people in these urban ghettos and these American ghettos, they have a responsibility to comply with law enforcement officers' commands...

If we want to end deadly encounters between police and citizens, we have to tell these young black men to stop attacking the police, stop fighting, stop resisting police when they're trying to pull you over and cooperate with their lawful commands. If they have complaints about the way they're treated, some of these may be justified. There's a process for that. The fact that Eric Holder released this report last week -- by the way it was a junk report. There was no objectivity. He cherry picked a few e-mail and misapplied and using misapplication of statistics. Quote

[DarkShadow]

He cherry picked a few e-mail and misapplied and using misapplication of statistics.

How DARE the DOJ cherry pick emails that dealt with the subject at hand!

What about the emails that were sent that contained pictures of kittens, or emails that said Bill Gates would send them $500 if they forwarded the email along?! Why weren't THOSE included in the report?!

You tell 'em, Dev.

[Lady Quagga]

SHERIFF DAVID CLARKE, MILWAUKEE COUNTY: Well, this war on our nation's finest, the American police officer, continues, but it continues to be fueled by some very important people. It's empty rhetoric for what Eric Holder offered today and the president through a tweet of all things, when they have now an obligation to stand up and remind people in these urban ghettos and these American ghettos, they have a responsibility to comply with law enforcement officers' commands...

So, Sheriff Clarke accuses the President and Attorney General of being insincere in their words, and in the same breath calls upon them to use their words to tell people they umust kowtow to law enforcement? And denigrates those same people in the process?


If we want to end deadly encounters between police and citizens, we have to tell these young black men to stop attacking the police, stop fighting, stop resisting police when they're trying to pull you over and cooperate with their lawful commands. If they have complaints about the way they're treated, some of these may be justified. There's a process for that.

That is pure nonsense. Sheriff Clarke bemoans the resistance to "lawful commands", but shrugs his shoulders at unlawful commands and unjustified actions of law enforcement. Every member of our society has a right - and in my opinion a responsibility - to protest and resist the unlawful actions of law enforcement. They are not required to comply to unlawful commands, nor are they required to wait until after the fact to protest the wrongful acts of law enforcement.

[Skyler]

So, Sheriff Clarke accuses the President and Attorney General of being insincere in their words, and in the same breath calls upon them to use their words to tell people they umust kowtow to law enforcement? And denigrates those same people in the process?



That is pure nonsense. Sheriff Clarke bemoans the resistance to "lawful commands", but shrugs his shoulders at unlawful commands and unjustified actions of law enforcement. Every member of our society has a right - and in my opinion a responsibility - to protest and resist the unlawful actions of law enforcement. They are not required to comply to unlawful commands, nor are they required to wait until after the fact to protest the wrongful acts of law enforcement.

That sounds great on paper. But despite having no legal obligation to comply with an unlawful command, the sword is mightier than the pen. It's generally a good idea to listen to the guy with the batman utility belt loaded with hurt. Then lawyer up. I know a good one...

[HawgZWylde]

And it continues;

http://miami.cbslocal.com/2015/03/13/exclusive-violent-brawl-involving-middle-school-girls-has-family-demanding-action/


One of their pages boasts, “Me and my sisters don’t know what a one on one is 100 percent. Even if my sister beating life out of somebody, I ain’t gonna watch, I’m gonna beat the life out of that (expletive) too. That’s how we’re raised.”

Where's Holder? Where's Sharpton? Where's Jackson? Where's Obozo?

[Lady Quagga]

That sounds great on paper. But despite having no legal obligation to comply with an unlawful command, the sword is mightier than the pen. It's generally a good idea to listen to the guy with the batman utility belt loaded with hurt. Then lawyer up. I know a good one...

I agree with you Skyler. The unfortunate reality is that it's best to comply, lest you risk a baton to the head or electrodes to the chest. But it would be naive to think that their aren't many cases of officer misconduct which go unanswered. Thus the climate we currently have in this country.

I might have a BSB case coming your way......

[Lady Quagga]

And it continues - your penchant for irrelevance, Hawggy.


And it continues;

http://miami.cbslocal.com/2015/03/13/exclusive-violent-brawl-involving-middle-school-girls-has-family-demanding-action/



Where's Holder? Where's Sharpton? Where's Jackson? Where's Obozo?

[HawgZWylde]

And it continues - your penchant for irrelevance, Hawggy.

Irrelevant? Hmm, do you think this type of behavior is irrelevant to this young girl and her little brother?

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=b10_1426395873

This was posted to Facebook and someone fingered the attacker. Her name, phone number and address were posted. She better hope she gets arrested quickly. Anybody see this reported by the MSM? Didn't think so. Had this been culturally reversed it would have been all over the news, everywhere. Where's Holder? Where's Sharpton? Where's Jackson? Where's Obozo?

[Lady Quagga]

Irrelevant?

Yes.

Upsetting? Sure. Outrageous? Absolutely.

But irrelevant nonetheless. As is your LiveLeak link.

[HawgZWylde]

Yes.

Upsetting? Sure. Outrageous? Absolutely.

But irrelevant nonetheless. As is your LiveLeak link.

You just keep believin' darlin'...

[Lady Quagga]

Belief has nothing to do with it. It's irrelevant. That you are mentally incapable of understanding that is no concern of mine.

[HawgZWylde]

Belief has nothing to do with it. It's irrelevant. That you are mentally incapable of understanding that is no concern of mine.

Oh trust me Troll I understand you quite well.

The Democrat-Progressive-Liberal-Socialist Orwellian Dictionary:

Right wing = Racists. Make that EEEEEEeee-vil Racists.

Left wing = bleeding hearted tolerant compassionate wonderful people.

Troll = anyone who disagrees with me, even when I held the opposite position mere minutes ago.

Swiftboating = when Conservatives tell the truth about liberals who lie about their military service, or any other liberal/progressive/socialist/Democrat who lies about an issue.

"The Science is Settled" or "It's not debatable," etc., = anything they WISH were true but haven't the facts to support.

Obstructionist = When Republicans-Conservatives refuse to yield completely, without the possibility of compromise, to Democrat desires.

Bipartisanship = When Republicans cease being obstructionist and agree completely to the Democrat-Progressive-Liberal desires.

Tolerance = Even when you disagree with us, we still let you live, don't we? Too bad it's only in the back of the bus, suck it up and thank us profusely or we may change our minds.

"Of the people, for the people, by the people": clearly means "We the few, will tell the rest of you, exactly what to do." And we don't have to do what we insist YOU do.

An own goal or major entirely preventable error that gets people killed = 'The Fog of War.'

Budget Cut = A definite budget increase, but slightly lower than had been planned.

Lies = Fabrications and Inconsistencies.

"Doing something" = 1) Give a Speech; 2) Tweet a picture of a woman with a sad face holding up a hash tag.

Liberal Opinion = Definition of meaning or fact.

Illegal aliens = new lifelong Democrat voters.

Honor a heroic or national figure like Neil Armstrong, Rosa Parks, etc., = present a picture of Obama.

History = 1) whatever we decide at the time to say it was 2) whatever spin benefits us politically.

Liberal think tanks are intelligent and factual. Conservative think tanks are an oxymoron, and a propaganda arm of the Right Wing charged with fabrication, invention, and deflection.

Free speech = hate speech U. California students remove offensive American flag from 'inclusive' space

American flag = offensive hate speech

Inclusive or Non-offensive = anything that agrees with liberal/progressive/Democrat/socialist opinions.

Illegal aliens = People who are not, shall we say, fully documented, of U.S. citizens (h/t Pelosi).

Undocumented minors = Illegal alien young men with gang affiliations and criminal records.

War = "Overseas Contingency Operation."

Democrats are never involved in wars, only Overseas Contingency Operations.

Terrorist attack on U.S. soil = "work place violence."

Terrorist = "Unlawful Enemy Combatant." Oops, strike that, it's out. Now they are “Unprivileged Enemy Belligerents."

ISIL (Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant) = not Islamic.

Foreign invasion of sovereign nation = 'Um . . . uh . . . to act, uh . . . to cross the border in an unauthorized way."

In fact, it couldn't be clearer: Kinetic military action in response to man-caused disasters is going to produce un-privileged enemy who may cross the border in an unauthorized way to participate in non-Islamic work place violence immediately proceeded by the rallying yell "Allahu Akbar!" Doublespeak at it's best, Orwell is rolling in his grave.

Hmm.... I guess a bank robbery will now be considered to simply be an 'unauthorized loan,' and Underprivileged Enemy Belligerents will be soon be known as 'Misunderstood Future Friends,' right?

[hookdfisherman]

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time for a diaper change for u2?

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[hookdfisherman]

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oh, just got a pm from epucker tucker.

he says your breath just smells like that all the time when u talk.

he said you'd already know why.

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[etucker1959]

oh, just got a pm from epucker tucker.

he says your breath just smells like that all the time when u talk.

he said you'd already know why.



Let's do a little role playing. I'm the Democratic VP nominee Benson in 1988. You're Dan Quayle in the Vice Presidential debate. I turn to you and say, "You're no Seal!!!!!!" lol

[hookdfisherman]

Yuk yuk u suck puck!

[Lady Quagga]

Oh trust me Troll I understand you quite well.

The discussion wasn't about whether you understood me or not.

Nor was it about the conservative cud - er, "dictionary" - you chose to share.

Nor was it about two news reports you linked.

And so again I say to you: Belief has nothing to do with your continued irrelevancies in this thread.
That you are mentally incapable of understanding that is no concern of mine.

[DarkShadow]

And it continues....

http://www.courier-journal.com/story/news/local/2015/03/14/police-investigating-train-vs-car-collision/24773763/


They thought they could beat it," Mitchell said. He said no one on board the train, which had two locomotives and 95 cars, was injured. The train was not derailed during the crash.

The crossing has flashing lights and sounds to announce the approach of a train, and Mitchell said the train was also blowing its whistle. However, the crossing does not have crossing gates.

Where's the Federal Railroad Administration? Where's the NTSB? Where's Cornelius Vanderbilt? Where are the railfans to denounce this?