where are the trout plants

[fishingboysdad]

Does anyone have any idea why our local lakes(castaic,pyramid or hansem dam) are not getting stocked..they have only been stocked twice so far...I emailed the dfw regional office and they told me that they would send my inquiry to the biologist but I never got a response...I don't want to keep having to take my kid to irvine to fish for trout(kinda far and more expensive)..I know silverwood got stocked a bunch of times already.

[etucker1959]

Does anyone have any idea why our local lakes(castaic,pyramid or hansem dam) are not getting stocked..they have only been stocked twice so far...I emailed the dfw regional office and they told me that they would send my inquiry to the biologist but I never got a response...I don't want to keep having to take my kid to irvine to fish for trout(kinda far and more expensive)..I know silverwood got stocked a bunch of times already.
I just read an article about significant cut backs to both quantity and quality of trout plants in 2015. Maybe they just started early!!!!!

[fishingboysdad]

I see a bunch of other lakes getting stocked consistently except for our major los angeles lakes....

[Kingfish Addict]

I see a bunch of other lakes getting stocked consistently except for our major los angeles lakes....

The county is taking our fishing license money and spending it elsewhere...simple as that. Straight up corrupt....

[Bass Boy 14]

The county is taking our fishing license money and spending it elsewhere...simple as that. Straight up corrupt....

So then our license prices for 2015 should decrease as a result.....that seems logical.....

[dday07]

i believe about the same Bassboy...sucks cause we have to go to private lakes just for a chance at a full stringer
So then our license prices for 2015 should decrease as a result.....that seems logical.....

[The Walking Trout]

Sierras and NoCal get the bigger fish...in fact, nice sized brook trout get stocked. Down here in LA area, we get the 1/2 pound to 3/4 pound trout and only 200 lbs (or a few net fulls) two to three times a year. Then it is catfish season! And the local LA lakes don't get much of that either.

It's almost decision time...do I pay for a license and fish for a short period of time at local lakes or pay each time to fish at SARL, Corona, Irvine?

[Bucket]

Sierras and NoCal get the bigger fish...in fact, nice sized brook trout get stocked. Down here in LA area, we get the 1/2 pound to 3/4 pound trout and only 200 lbs (or a few net fulls) two to three times a year. Then it is catfish season! And the local LA lakes don't get much of that either.

It's almost decision time...do I pay for a license and fish for a short period of time at local lakes or pay each time to fish at SARL, Corona, Irvine?
Good point. From what im taking and seeing the stock once a month.you can go to sarl but i havent had much luck there but the fish can bigger. Best bet is big bear, san gabriel river. Any stream in the san gabriel mountains. Pray that i win the lotto . If i do ill open up my own hatchery and pond.lol

[etucker1959]

You guy's do know your license fees only pay a fraction on the DFG budget. I saw a figure recently that only 1 million regular licenses and 600,000 1 day type are sold annually. So if a standard license cost say $50 bucks, times that by 1 million licenses sold annually that equals only $50 million dollars a year in fees. Then add in the 600,000 1 day licenses at $8.4 million dollars. (600,000 times $14, is where I got the additional $8.4 million) Add the two number together that's only $58.4 million dollars a year, paid by fisherman thru license sales that go directly to the DFG. Obviously $58 million dollars doesn't go very far, so with the state blessing they capture a lot of other tax's to make up the DFG budget.

This is a good opportunity for me to go a little political on you guy's. lol Any good Conservative hates tax's and want's to shrink the role of government. Taxing the people to buy fish and plant them for everyone's enjoyment is a good example of SOCIALISLISM!!!!! Which we all know, "all good Conservatives hate!!!!" Remember your license fees only generates $58 million dollars a year in revenue. (Can't buy a lot of fish with that kind of money) So if you understand what Conservatives really believe in and honest enough to tell you. They would say, "if you want to catch a trout, GO TO IRVINE LAKE." I'm not paying for YOU with my tax money to catch a dam trout for FREE." lol

[Bucket]

You guy's do know your license fees only pay a fraction on the DFG budget. I saw a figure recently that only 1 million regular licenses and 600,000 1 day type are sold annually. So if a standard license cost say $50 bucks, times that by 1 million licenses sold annually that equals only $50 million dollars a year in fees. Then add in the 600,000 1 day licenses at $8.4 million dollars. (600,000 times $14, is where I got the additional $8.4 million) Add the two number together that's only $58.4 million dollars a year, paid by fisherman thru license sales that go directly to the DFG. Obviously $58 million dollars doesn't go very far, so with the state blessing they capture a lot of other tax's to make up the DFG budget.

This is a good opportunity for me to go a little political on you guy's. lol Any good Conservative hates tax's and want's to shrink the role of government. Taxing the people to buy fish and plant them for everyone's enjoyment is a good example of SOCIALISLISM!!!!! Which we all know, "all good Conservatives hate!!!!" Remember your license fees only generates $58 million dollars a year in revenue. (Can't buy a lot of fish that kind of money) So if you understand what Conservatives really believe in and honest enough to tell you. They would say, "if you want to catch a trout, GO TO IRVINE LAKE." I'm not paying for YOU with my tax money to catch a dam trout for FREE." lol
Freshwater licens fees have been steady the last few years at 46 bucks.we had bi monthly trout plants. Now according to liberals this state is doing better since jerry brown took over. Now 2 years in we are starting to get one month trouts plants. To be fair it could be alot of factors like the drought. I dont mnd paying more in taxes but i do expect responsible spending. Now that bullet train you approved could have been spent on desalination plants, education, roafs,last but not least fishing

[Bucket]

You guy's do know your license fees only pay a fraction on the DFG budget. I saw a figure recently that only 1 million regular licenses and 600,000 1 day type are sold annually. So if a standard license cost say $50 bucks, times that by 1 million licenses sold annually that equals only $50 million dollars a year in fees. Then add in the 600,000 1 day licenses at $8.4 million dollars. (600,000 times $14, is where I got the additional $8.4 million) Add the two number together that's only $58.4 million dollars a year, paid by fisherman thru license sales that go directly to the DFG. Obviously $58 million dollars doesn't go very far, so with the state blessing they capture a lot of other tax's to make up the DFG budget.

This is a good opportunity for me to go a little political on you guy's. lol Any good Conservative hates tax's and want's to shrink the role of government. Taxing the people to buy fish and plant them for everyone's enjoyment is a good example of SOCIALISLISM!!!!! Which we all know, "all good Conservatives hate!!!!" Remember your license fees only generates $58 million dollars a year in revenue. (Can't buy a lot of fish that kind of money) So if you understand what Conservatives really believe in and honest enough to tell you. They would say, "if you want to catch a trout, GO TO IRVINE LAKE." I'm not paying for YOU with my tax money to catch a dam trout for FREE." lol

Lol they raise and release their own fish

[etucker1959]

Freshwater licens fees have been steady the last few years at 46 bucks.we had bi monthly trout plants. Now according to liberals this state is doing better since jerry brown took over. Now 2 years in we are starting to get one month trouts plants. To be fair it could be alot of factors like the drought. I dont mnd paying more in taxes but i do expect responsible spending. Now that bullet train you approved could have been spent on desalination plants, education, roafs,last but not least fishing
Hi Bucket,

Let me address your points in a fair and cordial manner.

1. Freshwater license fees have been steady for a number of years. The problem is the license revenue is only a fraction of the DFG budget. I for one would love to see some additional revenue added to the DFG budget, earmarked for certain things. My beloved catfish plants are a thing of the past. So why not offer a catfish stamp like they use too, with all the money earmarked for catfish plants. (It would only take $250,000 dollars to have a reasonable catfish season)

2. The state is doing better, but they had to implement some Conservative ideas to get there. What were those Conservative ideas????? CUT CUT CUT!!!!! A perfect example was they eliminated all catfish plants and now reduced the trout plants. A true Liberal solution would be DON'T CUT, but instead raise additional tax's to make sure there was enough money to cover all the programs.

3. When it comes to the Bullet train, that is totally induced by FEDERAL MONEY!!!! Gov Brown looks at it this way, USE IT OR LOSE IT!!!!! By way of the Federal money!!!!

[Bucket]

Hi Bucket,

Let me address your points in a fair and cordial manner.

1. Freshwater license fees have been steady for a number of years. The problem is the license revenue is only a fraction of the DFG budget. I for one would love to see some additional revenue added to the DFG budget, earmarked for certain things. My beloved catfish plants are a thing of the past. So why not offer a catfish stamp like they use too, with all the money earmarked for catfish plants. (It would only take $250,000 dollars to have a reasonable catfish season)

2. The state is doing better, but they had to implement some Conservative ideas to get there. What were those Conservative ideas????? CUT CUT CUT!!!!! A perfect example was they eliminated all catfish plants and now reduced the trout plants. A true Liberal solution would be DON'T CUT, but instead raise additional tax's to make sure there was enough money to cover all the programs.

3. When it comes to the Bullet train, that is totally induced by FEDERAL MONEY!!!! Gov Brown looks at it this way, USE IT OR LOSE IT!!!!! By way of the Federal money!!!!

A-your arguement its a federal program false.it was voted in by liberals

Let me break this up to you

A-it was a federal government thing . False it was voted in by liberals
B-federal money was used 90 percent false. 2.35 billion came from the federal government.the rest of the 88 billion comes from the state.
C- conversatives cut. Really what did jerry brown do
D- when will you learno

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerry_Brown




http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_High-Speed_Rail

[fishingboysdad]

They should at least make it consistent and spread out the stockings to all of the lakes.... I see lakes getting stocked every week anywhere from 3 to 6 weeks in a row.....and I'm sure I paid the same for my license as people around those lakes...by the way anybody get their license for next year yet

[Bucket]

They should at least make it consistent and spread out the stockings to all of the lakes.... I see lakes getting stocked every week anywhere from 3 to 6 weeks in a row.....and I'm sure I paid the same for my license as people around those lakes...by the way anybody get their license for next year yet
Yea its a hard choice but ill fish places where i get my moneys worth

[dt444]

The problem is the legislation that mandates %33 of that 58 million be used to stock trout. So figure we are paying 20 million for trout stocking. Lassen supplies trout at about 3-1/2 bucks a pound. So the gov should be able to do the same. And that would equate to roughly 5-1/2 million pounds of trout. You think they are coming anywhere near that? Not a chance.

We, as the paying customers should be able to see how much trout we are getting and where they go. Thats all I ask for.

I'd gladly pay more if they planted more trout. Everybody benefits from more trout.

Cal trout and the hatchery workers union are behind the legislation that mandates the money be spent on trout stocking. Do you believe they have the best interests of the license holders in mind when promoting this legislation?

Those are my issues with this.

Id rather remove DFG from the trout stocking period. Give us back our %33. Turn over stocking to each body of water. Let them charge to recoup the cost.

Cal trout can have their beloved water with natural wild fish in them.

[Stinkbait]

Ready for the bomb drop! How about we educate people that fishing for stocked fish in a put and take fishery is not real fishing. The where is the stocking budget and where is being stocked complaining ends. Catching a 5 lb brown trout from a city park lake means nothing. Catching a 5 lb rainbow trout on garlic sprinkle rainbow Cajun hatchery fairy pixie dust mice tail means nothing.

Go to to your nearest salt water jetty and throw a small swimbait and be proud of yourself for landing a 12" sandy or calico. Put a Texas rigged robo worm on and go to your city park and catch a 10 " largemouth bass be proud you are actually fishing.

I am fine with the city dad taking his 10 yr old to catch stockers for guaranteed catching, but that's where it should stop.

[Bucket]

Ready for the bomb drop! How about we educate people that fishing for stocked fish in a put and take fishery is not real fishing. The where is the stocking budget and where is being stocked complaining ends. Catching a 5 lb brown trout from a city park lake means nothing. Catching a 5 lb rainbow trout on garlic sprinkle rainbow Cajun hatchery fairy pixie dust mice tail means nothing.

Go to to your nearest salt water jetty and throw a small swimbait and be proud of yourself for landing a 12 sandy or calico.
Put a Texas rigged robo worm on and go to your city park and catch a 10 inch largemouth bass be proud you are actually fishing.

I am fine with the city dad taking his 10 yr old to catch stockers for guaranteed catching, but that's where it should stop.

Yeah ive seen those professionals line up to limit out on their trout.we should have a age limit no one over 25 can fish fir stocked trout.as you can see its not very practical. Dont get me wrong it annoys me when i see tge same guys line up and desperately do every legal or illegal trick jyst to land a 8 in trout.its their right though even if i preferred kids to have priority

[dt444]

Totally cool with that.

Eliminate the stocking program completely.

Just give us our money back.

Thats all.

[Stinkbait]

The greatest is an adult posting a pic up here of a huge brood stocker with no fins or tail left and wow what a trophy! BS.
The monster brood stockers was such a problem we now have a stocker state record and a wild fish state record.

The whole stocked fished thing is such an economy booster though. From 2 lb test 8 ft tube jig only rods to half of all Berkleys line of products to park tournaments to $200 micro spinning reels to float tubes to portable fish finders. It goes on and on and on.

It is a huge micro economy in this macro sport of ours.

[fishingboysdad]

Sorry stinkbait(and I don't mean that in a bad way) but try telling my kid that catching those stocked trout is not real fishing..he keeps asking me about the trout..I took him to pyramid on Dec 6 and he was so excited that he managed to catch 2 trout and that was a long 6 hours..meanwhile i was trying to catch Mr stripey but I got skunked..

[dkinla]

Hey fishingboydad,

Good to hear he caught a couple trout... But if u really wanna try to get him on catching/releasing some fish... Give surf fishing a try (maybe later when weather warms up a little)... I'm not saying you'll always catch something while surf fishing... But I think chances are a lot better. Catching some perch, YFC, etc. Checkout some of the surf fishing reports or even some of my really old reports.. Mostly with my dad and I.

Surf fishing is pretty fun cause you're always on the move and actively doing something instead of just bait/wait.

To start, just need maybe a medium 6-7' spinning setup, 1/2 oz. Carolina rig with 2' flouro leader to maybe size 6 hook. If u can find/dig up some sand crabs... That usually works best. Otherwise, get a pack or two of some Gulp 2" sandworms in the Camo color and bloody red color. Thread those on to the hook and cast out. U don't have to cast that far. Often times, a lot of the action is only a few feet out in front of you. Try different distances. Fan cast at the spot you're at. If no bites, keep moving up/down the beach. Try to find some structure... Troughs, holes, etc. that might hold fish. I usually like to fish the 2 hours or so before high tide until maybe about 1 hour past the high tide.

A couple good places to try are north of Santa Monica pier to Will Rogers state beach, and some of the access points in Malibu.

Gluck!

[Stinkbait]

Sorry stinkbait(and I don't mean that in a bad way) but try telling my kid that catching those stocked trout is not real fishing..he keeps asking me about the trout..I took him to pyramid on Dec 6 and he was so excited that he managed to catch 2 trout and that was a long 6 hours..meanwhile i was trying to catch Mr stripey but I got skunked..

Hey man I hear ya. I put that in my post. Have at it with your kids :)

Good recomendation DK as I know you are on SCSF ;)

[fishingboysdad]

Hey fishingboydad,

Good to hear he caught a couple trout... But if u really wanna try to get him on catching/releasing some fish... Give surf fishing a try (maybe later when weather warms up a little)... I'm not saying you'll always catch something while surf fishing... But I think chances are a lot better. Catching some perch, YFC, etc. Checkout some of the surf fishing reports or even some of my really old reports.. Mostly with my dad and I.

Surf fishing is pretty fun cause you're always on the move and actively doing something instead of just bait/wait.


Thanks bud..we do go surf fishing as well.(c &r) also go to the local piers....we went to Santa Monica and Venice on Sunday (c & r also)we even go to balboa lake and catch mini tilapias and throw em back in....we gonna try castaic on sunday

[etucker1959]

The greatest is an adult posting a pic up here of a huge brood stocker with no fins or tail left and wow what a trophy! BS.
The monster brood stockers was such a problem we now have a stocker state record and a wild fish state record.

The whole stocked fished thing is such an economy booster though. From 2 lb test 8 ft tube jig only rods to half of all Berkleys line of products to park tournaments to $200 micro spinning reels to float tubes to portable fish finders. It goes on and on and on.

It is a huge micro economy in this macro sport of ours.
Being a good jail house lawyers, I can argue both sides on most issues. I've fished for over 40 years in my life, mostly in Saltwater for the first 30 yrs and the last 10 yrs mostly in Freshwater. So if someone wants to be a fishing snob, been there done that or heard about it!!!!! My range in fishing is from Alaska thru mainland Mexico and all points in between. If it was worth doing I probably did it!!!!! But for our discussion lets stick to Southern CA, in both Freshwater and Saltwater. Let's start with Freshwater fishing, with the exception of Green carp or DD stripers is there anything else worth bragging about????? In true snobbish fashion, I can't think of anything else. Can you?????? Let's jump to the Saltwater, what was worth even fishing for????? I'll give you my list. 1. Calico Bass over 6lbs caught on plastics. 2. White Sea Bass over 20lbs. 3. Halibut over 30 lbs. 4. Yellowtail over 20 lbs. 5. Any Tuna over 20 lbs. 6. Dorado over 15 lbs. If you a real fishing snob, add up how many fish did you catch that fit that criteria this year. My number is over 20!!!! What's yours????? lol

[Stinkbait]

I'm not building myself up or snobish whatsoever. What are you talking about? Just speaking the truth. I want a kid to know by the time he is 13 that fishing is more than a dough ball. Some adults retain that as fishing because that is all they ever knew or were taught. Put the dough down Tuck!

I don't have a twill vest, roadster drivers cap or smoke a cigar when I fly fish either ;)

[seal]

Fly fishing actually takes physical activity and some coordination and practice. Nothing snobbish about the act it's actually for many about getting tired of catching trout after trout on a lure or bait and doing something that takes more effort and technique also it can be the best way to fool holdovers and natives a more natural presentation for the smarter fish.

Much like swimbait fishing after the first fish caught with fly gear you are hooked for life! Oh and your pocketbook suffers because of it.

I started as a child and practiced casting in the backyard, get um started early!

[Bucket]

Totally cool with that.

Eliminate the stocking program completely.

Just give us our money back.

Thats all.
Same here.wish they would maje saltwater licenses seperate

[Bucket]

Being a good jail house lawyers, I can argue both sides on most issues. I've fished for over 40 years in my life, mostly in Saltwater for the first 30 yrs and the last 10 yrs mostly in Freshwater. So if someone wants to be a fishing snob, been there done that or heard about it!!!!! My range in fishing is from Alaska thru mainland Mexico and all points in between. If it was worth doing I probably did it!!!!! But for our discussion lets stick to Southern CA, in both Freshwater and Saltwater. Let's start with Freshwater fishing, with the exception of Green carp or DD stripers is there anything else worth bragging about????? In true snobbish fashion, I can't think of anything else. Can you?????? Let's jump to the Saltwater, what was worth even fishing for????? I'll give you my list. 1. Calico Bass over 6lbs caught on plastics. 2. White Sea Bass over 20lbs. 3. Halibut over 30 lbs. 4. Yellowtail over 20 lbs. 5. Any Tuna over 20 lbs. 6. Dorado over 15 lbs. If you a real fishing snob, add up how many fish did you catch that fit that criteria. My number is over 20!!!! What's yours????? lol

He wasnt. Just so youbknow freshwater licenses are 46 and the extra 5 dollars gets you the salt.thats a 9 to 1 ratio invested in freshwater fishing .with that money theyvshould do a better job . Not to be mean but it looks like you need to tone it down on thisvone.my number is over 100. Im kidding but see where im coming from.i think you owe him an apology. He has the right to voice his opinion just as much as you do. He also has anither point the main purpose they stock in the urban lakes is to provide fishing for the underprivileged. Said so on their website. Although the golf course fisherm can fish them. Its not very ethical when ge wipes them out and the underprivileged doesnt have the opportunity to fish

[Bucket]

The greatest is an adult posting a pic up here of a huge brood stocker with no fins or tail left and wow what a trophy! BS.
The monster brood stockers was such a problem we now have a stocker state record and a wild fish state record.

The whole stocked fished thing is such an economy booster though. From 2 lb test 8 ft tube jig only rods to half of all Berkleys line of products to park tournaments to $200 micro spinning reels to float tubes to portable fish finders. It goes on and on and on.

It is a huge micro economy in this macro sport of ours.
Lol they all come from one to three lakes lol

[etucker1959]

Fly fishing actually takes physical activity and some coordination and practice. Nothing snobbish about the act it's actually for many about getting tired of catching trout after trout on a lure or bait and doing something that takes more effort and technique also it can be the best way to fool holdovers and natives a more natural presentation for the smarter fish.

Much like swimbait fishing after the first fish caught with fly gear you are hooked for life! Oh and your pocketbook suffers because of it.

I started as a child and practiced casting in the backyard, get um started early!
Hi Seal,

I've got a question for you. Since I'm being a jail house lawyer about being a snob fishermen. If your fly fishing using a dry fly, no one is going to argue with you that you are doing a skillful act of fishing. What about that other so called fly fishing. You know the one where you use a bobber (indicator) and don't move the fly. Is that real fly fishing????? Remember, I'm only asking you from a snob stand point. I honestly believe, if you have a fishing pole in your hand and your having fun MORE POWER TO YOU!!!!!!

[DEVOREFLYER]

Nymphing under an indicator is used to control the depth of the fly. It is also used when fishing a steam or river to allow the nymph to travel under the surface with the current. On stillwater fishing on a lake it imparts movement of the nymph from the surface movement of the indicator (wind/wave action). And it does take some skill to land a beast like this caught with a size 20 barb less nymph under an indicator.

http://i.imgur.com/xf4XWik.jpg

[Bucket]

Hi Seal,

I've got a question for you. Since I'm being a jail house lawyer about being a snob fishermen. If your fly fishing using a dry fly, no one is going to argue with you that you are doing a skillful act of fishing. What about that other so called fly fishing. You know the one where you use a bobber (indicator) and don't move the fly. Is that real fly fishing????? Remember, I'm only asking you from a snob stand point. I honestly believe, if you have a fishing pole in your hand and your having fun MORE POWER TO YOU!!!!!!

Good point .

[Sakana]

Why is DFW planting fewer and smaller
fish in 2015?
1. Funding for Department of Fish and Wildlife (DFW) trout hatcheries is managed in a fiscally
conservative manner with ample and prudent financial reserves. To operate within the allowed
budget for trout production, DFW must reduce the poundage of fish produced to 1.6 million lbs
statewide for 2015. Meanwhile, the Fish Production and Distribution Program is seeking
increased access to the prudent financial reserve.
2. We will be out planting our broodstock as we always have and we will be making adjustments as
we move through the year.
3. As with private and government fish hatcheries nationwide, fish production costs have
increased in several areas:
a. Increasing fish feed and fuel costs
b. Increased cost for pumping ground water (cost of water and cost of electricity)
c. Water quality monitoring and reporting required by the Clean Water Act
d. Invasive species monitoring and reporting
e. Careful analysis and avoidance of potential effects to threatened and endangered
species as per California and Federal endangered species acts.
f. The production of sterile (triploid) trout and salmon for recreational fishing activities, as
mandated by California State Legislature
g. Maintenance and infrastructure costs for DFW’s aging hatcheries
4. By planting smaller fish DFW will accomplish fiscal savings and still provide good recreational
fishing.
a. DFW is placing emphasis on put-and-grow fisheries. These fisheries rely on food
naturally occurring in lakes that small fish can eat to grow to larger sizes in time.
Examples of this include Lake Davis and Lake Crowley which provide excellent fisheries.
Additionally, the kokanee and inland Chinook programs rely on this strategy of fish
planting and also provide fine fisheries.
b. Due to unprecedented drought in California, DFW hatcheries were forced to evacuate
fish to avoid catastrophic loss of fish, and fish were either relocated or planted early.
Consequentially, the disrupted growing schedule for fish at these hatcheries is
impacted, making it difficult to achieve a ½ lb fish by the time normal fish planting takes
place. By producing and releasing fish at ¼ lb fish per pound, recreational fish will still
be released at a catchable size while reducing costs, and will align size and fish numbers
more with mandated legislation with regards to heritage trout species (e.g. Lahontan
cutthroat).

[Sakana]

Trout stocking will be reduced by more than half in 2015 and the state will be planting smaller fish, according to a Department of Fish and Wildlife (DFW) document posted on the agency website Nov. 7.

The document says the agency will only plant 1.6 million pounds of trout statewide in 2015, violating a state law passed in 2006 that mandates the agency plant 2.75 pounds of trout per fishing license sold in the state. There are around 1 million annual fishing license buyers in California (and 1.8 million total licenses and permits sold), so the state will miss its mandated allotment by at least 1 million pounds of fish.

The document also says the state’s hatcheries will be releasing fish that average ¼ pounds each instead of ½ pound, which is the current standard. It blames the stocking reductions and changes on increased costs and drought, but there is no documentation to support or justify the reductions.

[Bucket]

Why is DFW planting fewer and smaller
fish in 2015?
1. Funding for Department of Fish and Wildlife (DFW) trout hatcheries is managed in a fiscally
conservative manner with ample and prudent financial reserves. To operate within the allowed
budget for trout production, DFW must reduce the poundage of fish produced to 1.6 million lbs
statewide for 2015. Meanwhile, the Fish Production and Distribution Program is seeking
increased access to the prudent financial reserve.
2. We will be out planting our broodstock as we always have and we will be making adjustments as
we move through the year.
3. As with private and government fish hatcheries nationwide, fish production costs have
increased in several areas:
a. Increasing fish feed and fuel costs
b. Increased cost for pumping ground water (cost of water and cost of electricity)
c. Water quality monitoring and reporting required by the Clean Water Act
d. Invasive species monitoring and reporting
e. Careful analysis and avoidance of potential effects to threatened and endangered
species as per California and Federal endangered species acts.
f. The production of sterile (triploid) trout and salmon for recreational fishing activities, as
mandated by California State Legislature
g. Maintenance and infrastructure costs for DFW’s aging hatcheries
4. By planting smaller fish DFW will accomplish fiscal savings and still provide good recreational
fishing.
a. DFW is placing emphasis on put-and-grow fisheries. These fisheries rely on food
naturally occurring in lakes that small fish can eat to grow to larger sizes in time.
Examples of this include Lake Davis and Lake Crowley which provide excellent fisheries.
Additionally, the kokanee and inland Chinook programs rely on this strategy of fish
planting and also provide fine fisheries.
b. Due to unprecedented drought in California, DFW hatcheries were forced to evacuate
fish to avoid catastrophic loss of fish, and fish were either relocated or planted early.
Consequentially, the disrupted growing schedule for fish at these hatcheries is
impacted, making it difficult to achieve a ½ lb fish by the time normal fish planting takes
place. By producing and releasing fish at ¼ lb fish per pound, recreational fish will still
be released at a catchable size while reducing costs, and will align size and fish numbers
more with mandated legislation with regards to heritage trout species (e.g. Lahontan
cutthroat).
Told you it was a liberal thing theres too much regulation and misuse of funds. Reading this kind of makes me want to forfeit buying my license

[etucker1959]

Told you it was a liberal thing theres too much regulation and misuse of funds. Reading this kind of makes me want to forfeit buying my license
You know Bucket, many years I really didn't need to buy a license. I fished mainly out of San Diego in Mexican waters in the summer time. During the winter, I was fishing the private pay lakes. This year was an exception with the epic Saltwater season we had. For the freshwater the jury's still out, some of my favorite fresh water lakes are suffering badly from the drought. So a fishermen really could avoid buying a license and still have plenty of angling opportunity's.

[Bucket]

You know Bucket, many years I really didn't need to buy a license. I fished mainly out of San Diego in Mexican waters in the summer time. During the winter, I was fishing the private pay lakes. This year was an exception with the epic Saltwater season we had. For the freshwater the jury's still out, some of my favorite fresh water lakes are suffering badly from the drought. So a fishermen really could avoid buying a license and still have plenty of angling opportunity's.

That is a good point. There is another way to fish for free jiust take the kids fishing. Sometimes i prefer to help out and watch while my kid cousins catch stuff

[fishingboysdad]

Meanwhile.I came accross this article...
https://cdfgnews.wordpress.com/2014/12/19/inyo-county-hatchery-to-plant-fish-in-time-for-the-holidays/

Says they are getting 60,000 fish more on top of normal stockings.......

I say "share the wealth"

[seal]

Hi Seal,

I've got a question for you. Since I'm being a jail house lawyer about being a snob fishermen. If your fly fishing using a dry fly, no one is going to argue with you that you are doing a skillful act of fishing. What about that other so called fly fishing. You know the one where you use a bobber (indicator) and don't move the fly. Is that real fly fishing????? Remember, I'm only asking you from a snob stand point. I honestly believe, if you have a fishing pole in your hand and your having fun MORE POWER TO YOU!!!!!!

Even when I fish Crowley I rarely used a midge/indicator rig. I am not criticizing the technique but I prefer "active" fishing whether it be with a fly rod or whatever type gear.

Indicator fishing on a lake is boring to me I strip streamers normally when fly fishing on a lake. If you are talking about using an indicator on a stream where you are constantly mending and casting that's a different subject and I love using that rig.

[seal]

Trout stocking will be reduced by more than half in 2015 and the state will be planting smaller fish, according to a Department of Fish and Wildlife (DFW) document posted on the agency website Nov. 7.

The document says the agency will only plant 1.6 million pounds of trout statewide in 2015, violating a state law passed in 2006 that mandates the agency plant 2.75 pounds of trout per fishing license sold in the state. There are around 1 million annual fishing license buyers in California (and 1.8 million total licenses and permits sold), so the state will miss its mandated allotment by at least 1 million pounds of fish.

The document also says the state’s hatcheries will be releasing fish that average ¼ pounds each instead of ½ pound, which is the current standard. It blames the stocking reductions and changes on increased costs and drought, but there is no documentation to support or justify the reductions.

Lawsuit big time! Doesn't even sound like a challenge, but they don't care because this is about way more than just money. This state is following the feds lead. You watch, those hatcheries will be re-purposed to raise endangered species just like Mead's hatchery and Willow Beach (Willow is a Federal hatchery).

This state sucks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[seal]

4. By planting smaller fish DFW will accomplish fiscal savings and still provide good recreational
fishing.
a. DFW is placing emphasis on put-and-grow fisheries. These fisheries rely on food
naturally occurring in lakes that small fish can eat to grow to larger sizes in time.
Examples of this include Lake Davis and Lake Crowley which provide excellent fisheries.
Additionally, the kokanee and inland Chinook programs rely on this strategy of fish
planting and also provide fine fisheries.


Total joke! This only works when special regulations also accompany the regulation, see Crowley. The 18" 2 fish limit barbless regulations at Crowley coincides with when they release the sub-catchable fish. If they release small fish people will keep them or they will be killed off by eating bait and then being released because they are too small and then they die. Also the planting of triploid/sterile fish is going to effect the Crowley fishery. Many of the fish caught at Crowley are spawned from the tributaries that is what also contributes to the success of the put and grow fishery at Crowley. How many lakes in California are candidates for this type of a program or lakes that will have these types of regulations put in place? I'd bet not many if any!!!!

[seal]

Fishrap's article on this subject.

http://www.fishrapnews.com/Features/Article/Trout-Mandate

[seal]

This website has visitors that see these types of threads. I would LOVE to hear their take on this subject. Please correct us Mr. DFW biologist or representative if anything we've written is incorrect. And please give us a document that details the additional costs and how those costs affect the hatchery output. I'm sure you have the data but my expectation is that you will not release the numbers and detail necessary.

There is a reason why they won't tell you the poundage of fish being stocked in each lake.

[HawgZWylde]

This website has visitors that see these types of threads. I would LOVE to hear their take on this subject. Please correct us Mr. DFW biologist or representative if anything we've written is incorrect. And please give us a document that details the additional costs and how those costs affect the hatchery output. I'm sure you have the data but my expectation is that you will not release the numbers and detail necessary.

There is a reason why they won't tell you the poundage of fish being stocked in each lake.

Ah yes seal we have seen this before. The use of "fuzzy numbers" to balance a budget that's not even remotely balanced, just moving money around to make things look good to those who that Gruber dude was talking about. Add in an extreme eco agenda and here we are. It isn't going to get any better. This states apathetic and leftist voters and its unfunded liabilities have doomed it to failure...

[fishingboysdad]

" “CDFW encourages families to fish in California’s streams, rivers and lakes during the holiday season,” said CDFW Fishery Program Manager Bill Cox. “It’s inexpensive and local fun, you can share equipment and enjoy being outside as a family.”"

Not if there is no trout being planted!!

[fishingboysdad]

Just noticed ca dfw updated their website.....scheduled stocking for pyramid and castaic this week coming up.....if its true then my kid will be happy(that's if I can take him because I messed up my leg at work)

[Bucket]

" “CDFW encourages families to fish in California’s streams, rivers and lakes during the holiday season,” said CDFW Fishery Program Manager Bill Cox. “It’s inexpensive and local fun, you can share equipment and enjoy being outside as a family.”"

Not if there is no trout being planted!!
Lol well said i wish there were more people like you. Hey if you do get fed up pm me i will glady show you a couple of sweet spots

[fishingboysdad]

Cool.thanks bucket...