Sadly, here we go again...

[pcuser]

http://news.yahoo.com/nyc-grand-jury-return-no-indictment-police-choke-193254083.html

[Tom]

I am 100% ok with the decision

[DEVOREFLYER]

So now the chant of the week is gonna be "Hands Up Don't Choke"......................

[pcuser]

Are there any circumstances where you will agree that cops are overreacting with abusive force????

[DEVOREFLYER]

Nationwide, law enforcement made an estimated 12,196,959 arrests in 2012 or around 35,000 per day. Of these arrests, 521,196 were for violent crimes, and 1,646,212 were for property crimes. You could safely say that law enforcement has encounters every day that exceeds that amount exponentially. I hardly think that the issue you are trying to call out is a serious issue.

Are there bad cops? Yes. Does the police state go overboard sometimes? Yes. Do the demagogues decrying systemic racism and braying about “assassinations” know what happened when teenager Mike Brown was tragically shot and killed last week? No.

Here’s a reality check. While narcissistic liberal journalists and college kids are all posting “hands up” selfies in hipster solidarity with Ferguson protesters, it’s law-enforcement officers who risk their lives in “war zones” every day across the country.

The National Law Enforcement Officers Memorial Fund (NLEOMF) reports that a total of 1,501 law-enforcement officers died in the line of duty during the past ten years, an average of one death every 58 hours, or 150 per year. These include local and state police officers, federal officers, correctional officers, and military law-enforcement officers.

Fact: Last year, 100 law-enforcement officers were killed. On average, over the past decade, there have been 58,261 assaults against law enforcement each year, resulting in 15,658 injuries.

Fact: New York City has lost more officers in the line of duty than any other department, with 697 deaths. Texas has lost 1,675 officers, more than any other state.

Just this week, NLEOMF released preliminary fatality statistics from August 2013 to August 2014. Total fatalities are up 14 percent, from 63 last year to 72 this year. “Five officers were killed in ambushes, which continue to be a major threat to law enforcement safety,” the group notes.

Among the men in uniform who gave their lives this summer:

Police officer Scott Patrick of the Mendota Heights Police Department in Minnesota. He was shot and killed while conducting a traffic stop on July 30. Patrick leaves behind a wife and two teenage daughters.

Police officer Jeffrey Westerfield of the Gary Police Department in Indiana. Westerfield was shot in the head and killed in a July 6 ambush while sitting in his police vehicle after responding to a 911 call. The suspect had been previously arrested for domestic violence and for kicking another officer. Westerfield, a 19-year police-department veteran as well as an Army veteran, leaves behind a wife and four daughters.

Officer Perry Renn of the Indianapolis Police Department. He was shot and killed while responding to reports of gunfire on July 5. After 20 years on the job, Renn chose to serve in one of the city’s most dangerous areas, even though his seniority would have allowed him to take a less dangerous role. “He chose to work in patrol to make a difference in the field,” police chief Rick Hite said at Renn’s funeral. “Every day, Perry got out of his police car.” Renn is survived by his wife.

Deputy sheriff Allen Bares Jr. of the Vermilion Parish Sheriff’s Office in Louisiana. The 15-year law-enforcement veteran was shot and killed on June 23 while investigating two suspicious suspects. Bares had been mowing his lawn while off-duty when he witnessed a suspicious car crash. When he went to investigate, he was gunned down. The assailants stole his truck as he lay dying. “He’s the type of person that would give his shirt off his back to anybody,” a cousin said in tribute. “Anyone that knows Allen will tell you that he was that kind of person.” Bares leaves behind a wife and two children.

Police officer Melvin Santiago of the Jersey City Police Department in New Jersey. Santiago, a proud rookie cop who loved his job, was ambushed on July 13 by a homicidal armed robber. Santiago was 23 years old. After Santiago’s killer was shot dead by police, the violent Bloods street gang vowed to “kill a Jersey City cop and not stop until the National Guard is called out.”

Al Sharpton, concocter of hate-crime hoaxes and inciter of violent riots against police, had no comment. Nor did Eric Holder or the pResident.

[Tom]

Are there any circumstances where you will agree that cops are overreacting with abusive force????

Absolutely
when the cop beat the women on the freeway he deserves a job loss and more..white cop picking on the black lady that put up No fight what so ever he deserves to be in JAIL you never d that and Never to a grandma!!

when the cop shot the passenger in riverside in the air force that was on leave..he got out put his hand up and the cop shot him..Yes...ofcourse that one is ok with you right?? cop was black and the passenger was white

(Funny no one protested over that one..crime against white is ok right?)

when will people start talking about all the hoodlums Breaking the law and fix that?

your barking up the wrong tree
reason i mostly stay silent on this part of the forum

we are her now ???

what is right will be wrong
what is wrong will be right

You first respect and do as told when a police offer stops you or you take your punishment I do it..most people do it

your day in court is your voice
and if there is video proving your point great

tom

[pcuser]

Absolutely
when the cop beat the women on the freeway he deserves a job loss and more..white cop picking on the black lady that put up No fight what so ever he deserves to be in JAIL you never d that and Never to a grandma!!


tom

I agree...

[pcuser]

Absolutely

when the cop shot the passenger in riverside in the air force that was on leave..he got out put his hand up and the cop shot him..Yes...ofcourse that one is ok with you right?? cop was black and the passenger was white

(Funny no one protested over that one..crime against white is ok right?)

tom

No one protested because there was video and the authorities did the correct and appropriate thing....

And crime against white is not ok...

[pcuser]

when will people start talking about all the hoodlums Breaking the law and fix that?


tom

Again, no one here has ever said that breaking the law is OK. We fix it with a justice system, not rogue cops...

[Tom]

No one protested because there was video and the authorities did the correct and appropriate thing....

And crime against white is not ok...

Cop still has Job

[pcuser]

your day in court is your voice
and if there is video proving your point great

tom

Exactly, a court decides the right and wrong of any situation it needs to. If you are dead because a cop killed you, and the cop doesn't get charged with anything, where is your day in court. That's part of why people protest, because there is no transparent system to decide these issues.

[pcuser]

Cop still has Job

Sorry, there are so many instances on video, it can get confusing. I thought that was one where appropriate action was taken. My bad. However, crime against anybody is not OK.

[pcuser]

Just so we are clear here, the issue isn't any single incident. It's a corrupting institutional racism that has taken hold in our country. The numbers don't lie.

[DEVOREFLYER]

After watching the video several times here is my opinion.

The officer started to apply the proper choke hold and appears to have lost the position of it.
Some people don't realize that in a proper choke hold you are not trying to "choke" the opponent to stop them from breathing. You are actually trying to apply pressure to the arteries in the neck to restrict blood flow to the brain, causing the opponent to pass out.
It can take minutes before a person passes out (or dies in this case) when you just restrict air, he was in a position for a rear naked choke (choke hold) but he had an improper hold. It's called positional asphyxia. It can cause heart attacks in obese subjects.
It will only take a few seconds to make a guy pass out when blood can't reach the brain by the proper use of a rear naked choke hold.

[pcuser]

After watching the video several times here is my opinion.

The officer started to apply the proper choke hold and appears to have lost the position of it.
Some people don't realize that in a proper choke hold you are not trying to "choke" the opponent to stop them from breathing. You are actually trying to apply pressure to the arteries in the neck to restrict blood flow to the brain, causing the opponent to pass out.
It can take minutes before a person passes out (or dies in this case) when you just restrict air, he was in a position for a rear naked choke (choke hold) but he had an improper hold. It's called positional asphyxia. It can cause heart attacks in obese subjects.
It will only take a few seconds to make a guy pass out when blood can't reach the brain by the proper use of a rear naked choke hold.

Perhaps this can clarify the issue...
http://gawker.com/reminder-this-nypd-chief-fought-to-keep-chokeholds-leg-1666299664

And this is something you can find solace in: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/12/03/arizona-pastor-steven-anderson-gay-men-_n_6263720.html?ncid=txtlnkusaolp00000592

Kind of up your ally. Perhaps you could put together a hunt for prizes...