John Stewarts take on Kansas

[Rabbito]

http://thedailyshow.cc.com/videos/6sn82w/sam-brownback-s-conservative-kansas-experiment


The most important point made in this piece is when they asks the farmer why he hasn't hired anybody with his tax cut money, simple answer is given. His answer is why tax cuts don't create jobs, only demand creates jobs.

If you reply, please try to argue against the content and not that you think Stewart is a ******, godless, libtard, communist, socialist. Those are called ad hominems, a logical fallacy, google it, these personal attacks have no bearing on the arguments being made

[etucker1959]

http://thedailyshow.cc.com/videos/6sn82w/sam-brownback-s-conservative-kansas-experiment


The most important point made in this piece is when they asks the farmer why he hasn't hired anybody with his tax cut money, simple answer is given. His answer is why tax cuts don't create jobs, only demand creates jobs.

If you reply, please try to argue against the content and not that you think Stewart is a ******, godless, libtard, communist, socialist. Those are called ad hominems, a logical fallacy, google it, these personal attacks have no bearing on the arguments being made

Ok, I'm sure Kansas was just the wrong place to try this experiment, "Right Fellas???????"

[Rabbito]

Crickets on this thread

[DockRat]

http://www.forbes.com/sites/stevemoore/2014/09/27/a-taxing-tale-of-two-states/

A Taxing Tale Of Two States: Illinois And Kansas

Much of the political spotlight across the country is focused on the economies of two Midwestern states – Illinois and Kansas.

These two states have adopted opposite economic growth and jobs strategies. In Kansas, Republican governor Sam Brownback cut income tax rates in 2013 on workers and small businesses, while in Illinois, in 2011 Democratic governor Pat Quinn raised the personal income tax rate to 5 percent from 3 percent with the corporate tax climbing to 9.5 percent- one of the most punitive rates in the nation. This was the biggest tax increase in Illinois history.

Both of these governors have come under attack nationally for their policies. So it’s worth examining which model has worked better.

Start with jobs. According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, in the last twelve months (ending with August 2014) Kansas has increased private sector employment by 1.13% compared to just 0.66% for Illinois. Data for the year so far show Kansas gaining more private sector jobs than Illinois (7,800 vs. 6,200), even though Illinois’ population is more than four times larger. The growth of employment since January 2013 through August of 2014 was 72 % higher in Kansas compared to Illinois (0.78% vs. 0.46%).

On economic growth, the Bureau of Economic Analysis reports that Kansas’ real GDP increase was up 1.9 % last year – slighter higher than the national average of 1.8%. Illinois crept up 0.9%.

Admittedly, it’s hazardous to draw any sweeping conclusions from such short term trends. But the left trashes Mr. Brownback for not creating enough jobs in Kansas, while they ignore the much worse jobs performance in Illinois.

Mr. Brownback has also taken heat from critics at home and around the country for a claim that his tax cuts would be instant adrenaline for the Kansas economy. That may not have been a very smart thing to say, because the point of the tax cuts is to improve long term prospects for growth. Still, the Kansas economy has grown at about an average pace and clearly outperformed its tax hiking neighbor.

Mr. Brownback is also under the gun for unexpected revenue declines this year. The credit rating agencies recently downgraded Kansas bonds. But even with the unexpected revenue dip, the state will finish the year with a positive reserve fund.

Contrast that with Illinois. Three years after Mr. Quinn’s new income taxes, the state finished FY 2014 with nearly $4 billion in unpaid bills. Vendors have to wait months to get paid what they are owed by the state government. Instead of one credit downgrade, Illinois has suffered nine. It now has one of the worst bond ratings of the 50 states.

The extra tax money for Springfield was supposed to help finance and improve the public schools – but it hasn’t happened. Reverend James Meeks, a long-time Democrat and head of Salem Baptist Church in Chicago, recently received publicity throughout the state by saying: “Our schools are still broken and getting worse. We’re last in employment or business. Our neighborhoods are deplorable,” he added.

Kansas is a mostly rural state, and it will never be Beverly Hills or Miami Beach. But it appears to be on the track to economic revival.

By contrast, Illinois is barely growing at all even though Chicago is a world class city and one of the nation’s premier tourist destinations. It is a center of trade and capital markets. So Illinois has natural advantages that would seem to make the state thrive. Chicago could be the Hong Kong of the Midwest. Instead, it is near broke, as is Springfield. “We’re looking at another giant deficit next year,” says John Tillman of the conservative Illinois Policy Institute. “The tax increase wasn’t used to fix holes in the budget and to buy time to reform programs. Instead they used the money to pay for union pensions.”


The real lesson of Illinois and Kansas is that tax policy does make a difference. Illinois has tried to tax its way back to economic health which is like bleeding a patient to heal him. Kansas is no economic race horse, but it is making a steady comeback while Illinois is one of the nation’s worst performers. That’s the taxing lesson of these two states.

[HawgZWylde]

Now you know why crickets invaded this thread. Kansas is also a landlocked state whose main economy is based on agriculture and ranching where as Illinois has major shipping ports and once had a major manufacturing base. It is still home of the Chicago mercantile exchange...

[DEVOREFLYER]

Oh and don't forget the election of Governors in Kansas and Illinois. Sam Brownback the Republican governor was reelected and Pat Quinn the Democrat was defeated by a Republican.

How come your silent on that etucker aka frenchy??????

http://i.imgur.com/FKs7KFp.png

Enjoy your meal frenchy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[etucker1959]

http://www.forbes.com/sites/stevemoore/2014/09/27/a-taxing-tale-of-two-states/

A Taxing Tale Of Two States: Illinois And Kansas

Much of the political spotlight across the country is focused on the economies of two Midwestern states – Illinois and Kansas.

These two states have adopted opposite economic growth and jobs strategies. In Kansas, Republican governor Sam Brownback cut income tax rates in 2013 on workers and small businesses, while in Illinois, in 2011 Democratic governor Pat Quinn raised the personal income tax rate to 5 percent from 3 percent with the corporate tax climbing to 9.5 percent- one of the most punitive rates in the nation. This was the biggest tax increase in Illinois history.

Both of these governors have come under attack nationally for their policies. So it’s worth examining which model has worked better.

Start with jobs. According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, in the last twelve months (ending with August 2014) Kansas has increased private sector employment by 1.13% compared to just 0.66% for Illinois. Data for the year so far show Kansas gaining more private sector jobs than Illinois (7,800 vs. 6,200), even though Illinois’ population is more than four times larger. The growth of employment since January 2013 through August of 2014 was 72 % higher in Kansas compared to Illinois (0.78% vs. 0.46%).

On economic growth, the Bureau of Economic Analysis reports that Kansas’ real GDP increase was up 1.9 % last year – slighter higher than the national average of 1.8%. Illinois crept up 0.9%.

Admittedly, it’s hazardous to draw any sweeping conclusions from such short term trends. But the left trashes Mr. Brownback for not creating enough jobs in Kansas, while they ignore the much worse jobs performance in Illinois.

Mr. Brownback has also taken heat from critics at home and around the country for a claim that his tax cuts would be instant adrenaline for the Kansas economy. That may not have been a very smart thing to say, because the point of the tax cuts is to improve long term prospects for growth. Still, the Kansas economy has grown at about an average pace and clearly outperformed its tax hiking neighbor.

Mr. Brownback is also under the gun for unexpected revenue declines this year. The credit rating agencies recently downgraded Kansas bonds. But even with the unexpected revenue dip, the state will finish the year with a positive reserve fund.

Contrast that with Illinois. Three years after Mr. Quinn’s new income taxes, the state finished FY 2014 with nearly $4 billion in unpaid bills. Vendors have to wait months to get paid what they are owed by the state government. Instead of one credit downgrade, Illinois has suffered nine. It now has one of the worst bond ratings of the 50 states.

The extra tax money for Springfield was supposed to help finance and improve the public schools – but it hasn’t happened. Reverend James Meeks, a long-time Democrat and head of Salem Baptist Church in Chicago, recently received publicity throughout the state by saying: “Our schools are still broken and getting worse. We’re last in employment or business. Our neighborhoods are deplorable,” he added.

Kansas is a mostly rural state, and it will never be Beverly Hills or Miami Beach. But it appears to be on the track to economic revival.

By contrast, Illinois is barely growing at all even though Chicago is a world class city and one of the nation’s premier tourist destinations. It is a center of trade and capital markets. So Illinois has natural advantages that would seem to make the state thrive. Chicago could be the Hong Kong of the Midwest. Instead, it is near broke, as is Springfield. “We’re looking at another giant deficit next year,” says John Tillman of the conservative Illinois Policy Institute. “The tax increase wasn’t used to fix holes in the budget and to buy time to reform programs. Instead they used the money to pay for union pensions.”


The real lesson of Illinois and Kansas is that tax policy does make a difference. Illinois has tried to tax its way back to economic health which is like bleeding a patient to heal him. Kansas is no economic race horse, but it is making a steady comeback while Illinois is one of the nation’s worst performers. That’s the taxing lesson of these two states.

The fault in the logic is, cutting or raising tax's is NOT the way to stimulate the economy!!!!

[etucker1959]

Oh and don't forget the election of Governors in Kansas and Illinois. Sam Brownback the Republican governor was reelected and Pat Quinn the Democrat was defeated by a Republican.

How come your silent on that etucker aka frenchy??????

http://i.imgur.com/FKs7KFp.png

Enjoy your meal frenchy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'm surprised you didn't put that cute French Frog on the dinner plate and had a caption like "We eat French Frog legs for Breakfast"!!!!!! lol

[DEVOREFLYER]

Oh I forgot to put some cheese with your whine. lol

http://i.imgur.com/jGa8Bck.jpg

And I prefer Frog legs Cajun style and for dinner........

[etucker1959]

The major fault in Conservatives thinking on Tax's is, "THERE ALWAYS TOO HIGH!!!!!!" What Kansas did on tax's was right out of every Conservatives play book. We want to cut tax's all the time, the problem is "WHAT DO YOU HAVE LEFT TO WORK WITH IN ANY STATES BUDGET after you do that. So Hawgy statement that Kansas was the wrong state to do that is just BUNK!!!!! Conservatives want to cut tax's in ALL STATES!!!!! Fortunately there is cooler heads in a lot of states. By the way most of them are BLUE!!!!!!

[DEVOREFLYER]

So tell me once again how many Blue States elected Republican governors over Democrats this election.:Shocked:

[HawgZWylde]

The major fault in Conservatives thinking on Tax's is, "THERE ALWAYS TOO HIGH!!!!!!" What Kansas did on tax's was right out of every Conservatives play book. We want to cut tax's all the time, the problem is "WHAT DO YOU HAVE LEFT TO WORK WITH IN ANY STATES BUDGET after you do. So Hawgy statement that Kansas was the wrong state to do that is just BUNK!!!!! Conservatives want to cut tax's in ALL STATES!!!!! Fortunately there is cooler heads in a lot of states. By the way most of them are BLUE!!!!!!


So Hawgy statement that Kansas was the wrong state to do that is just BUNK!!!!!

Where did I say that? Elaborate please.


Fortunately there is cooler heads in a lot of states. By the way most of them are BLUE!!!!!!

Really? Which ones?
http://i1303.photobucket.com/albums/ag145/Hawgz_Wylde/cdn-medianationaljournalcom_zps636e04a8.jpg (http://s1303.photobucket.com/user/Hawgz_Wylde/media/cdn-medianationaljournalcom_zps636e04a8.jpg.html)

[etucker1959]

Oh and don't forget the election of Governors in Kansas and Illinois. Sam Brownback the Republican governor was reelected and Pat Quinn the Democrat was defeated by a Republican.

How come your silent on that etucker aka frenchy??????

http://i.imgur.com/FKs7KFp.png

Enjoy your meal frenchy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Let me answer the part of eating CROW in Kansas. The Governor, "Brownback" in Kansas a couple of months ago was behind in the polls to his Demorat rival. What swung the momentum back to Brownback, wasn't that he was doing a great job in Kansas. They got some minor dirt on his Demoratic opponent. Do you want to know what the dirt was????? It's almost laughable!!!! When he was 26 years old and unmarried. "HE WENT TO A STRIP CLUB!!!!!!!!!!!!!" Now I don't want to call the Kansas people any names, but "COME ON!!!!!!!" GET REAL!!!!

[DEVOREFLYER]

I could not help but think of you when I read this. lol

Ellisville, Mississippi, April 12, 2014.


An Ellisville school teacher called the local phone company to report her telephone failed to ring when her friends called - and that on the few occasions, when it did ring, her dog always moaned right before the phone rang.

The telephone repairman proceeded to the scene, curious to see this psychic dog or senile lady. He climbed a telephone pole, hooked in his test set, and dialed the subscriber's house.

The phone didn't ring right away, but then the dog moaned and the telephone began to ring.


Climbing down from the pole, the telephone repairman found:

1 . The dog was tied to the telephone system's ground wire with a steel chain and collar.


2. The wire connection to the ground rod was loose.


3. The dog was receiving 90 volts of signaling current when the number was called.


4.. After a couple of jolts, the dog would start moaning and then urinate.


5. The wet ground would complete the circuit, thus causing the phone to ring.



Which demonstrates that some problems CAN be fixed by pissing and moaning.

Thought you'd like to know.

[HawgZWylde]

I could not help but think of you when I read this. lol

Ellisville, Mississippi, April 12, 2014.


An Ellisville school teacher called the local phone company to report her telephone failed to ring when her friends called - and that on the few occasions, when it did ring, her dog always moaned right before the phone rang.

The telephone repairman proceeded to the scene, curious to see this psychic dog or senile lady. He climbed a telephone pole, hooked in his test set, and dialed the subscriber's house.

The phone didn't ring right away, but then the dog moaned and the telephone began to ring.


Climbing down from the pole, the telephone repairman found:

1 . The dog was tied to the telephone system's ground wire with a steel chain and collar.


2. The wire connection to the ground rod was loose.


3. The dog was receiving 90 volts of signaling current when the number was called.


4.. After a couple of jolts, the dog would start moaning and then urinate.


5. The wet ground would complete the circuit, thus causing the phone to ring.



Which demonstrates that some problems CAN be fixed by pissing and moaning.

Thought you'd like to know.

ROTFLMFAO!!!

That was funny. Poor freaking dog...

[etucker1959]

Where did I say that? Elaborate please.



Really? Which ones?
http://i1303.photobucket.com/albums/ag145/Hawgz_Wylde/cdn-medianationaljournalcom_zps636e04a8.jpg (http://s1303.photobucket.com/user/Hawgz_Wylde/media/cdn-medianationaljournalcom_zps636e04a8.jpg.html)

In the Thread G.O.P. Conundrum you said, Kansas was a bad example bla bla you know what you wrote. That's where I questioned your logic.

[HawgZWylde]

In the Thread G.O.P. Conundrum you said, Kansas was a bad example bla bla you know what you wrote. That's where I questioned your logic.

Perhaps you should read DR's post. In a horrible national economy, those tax cuts gov. Brownback signed in will be realized much better in the long term tucker. They don't work overnight. Now which of those "blue states" were you referring to?

[etucker1959]

Perhaps you should read DR's post. In a horrible national economy, those tax cuts gov. Brownback signed in will be realized much better in the long term tucker. They don't work overnight. Now which of those "blue states" were you referring to?

The nice thing is Brownback got another 4 years to prove if he's ideas will work over a longer period of time. By your original statement you implied a more diverse state those ideas might actually work. If you look at some of the New England blue states or even here in California do you think the people would actually go along with Brownback type idea's?????? I don't think they would!!! The big problem the Conservatives have in following Brownback idea's. The places that people might be willing to try them are places where there is strong Conservative type people like in southern Red states. Which unfortunately have similar kinds of economy's to that of Kansas. In other words they would be tried in places they would most likely fail and never be tried in places that you think they might actual work. In other words NEXT!!!!! lol

[DEVOREFLYER]

frency you really need to get a grip with reality have you looked at Ohio and what Governor Kasich has done, hardly a red southern state.

Oh and you do you remember Wisconsin (hardly another red state) don't ya, you know where the tried to remove Scott Walker the Governor 3 times. Remember all of the marches and screaming and pickets at the state capital.

Oh the hand wringing by the teachers and public employees union and the trouble makers bussed in from Illinois. And the cowardly Democratic legislators that left the state so the wouldn't have to vote on his bill, cowards all of them, serving no one but their selfish self interest.

My what a short and selective memory you have, seems to be a common trait of lefties along with all of the pissin', lyin' and moanin'........

And you still haven't explained how a Republican won in Blue Illinois and Massachusetts.

[etucker1959]

frency you really need to get a grip with reality have you looked at Ohio and what Governor Kasich has done, hardly a red southern state.

Oh and you do you remember Wisconsin (hardly another red state) don't ya, you know where the tried to remove Scott Walker the Governor 3 times. Remember all of the marches and screaming and pickets at the state capital.

Oh the hand wringing by the teachers and public employees union and the trouble makers bussed in from Illinois. And the cowardly Democratic legislators that left the state so the wouldn't have to vote on his bill, cowards all of them, serving no one but their selfish self interest.

My what a short and selective memory you have, seems to be a common trait of lefties along with all of the pissin', lyin' and moanin'........

And you still haven't explained how a Republican won in Blue Illinois and Massachusetts.

They won because there are only Two parties!!!!!!! People want more then what they are getting except for the 1%. It's not that the Republicans have all these great idea's and people just need to give them a chance. It's really like, "just give these other guy's a chance and see what happens." After awhile they will realize the Republicans didn't have a magic wand either and things magically didn't get better for them. It's THEN I HOPE PEOPLE WILL SAY, "NOW WHAT!!!" That's when crazy etucker idea's might get some traction!!!!

[pcuser]

More trouble for Brownback. Also shows his hypocrisy...

http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/brownback-scrambles-clean-his-mess