At what stage are the LMB ?

[lobinero]

On my recent outing to DVL 4/5/14 water temp was 61 and warm up to 63/65 depending were you at. It was cold in the morning and post frontal after last week's system (showers). There is a growing algae bloom which makes sight fishing harder to do. We caught some fish early and it slowed down considerably without a breeze and flat water. Fish At DVL like some ripples. It did pick up a little in the afternoon. The bite was less productive than the last two weeks. I even caught a bass that was suffering from plastic poisoning. This poor fellow had roe although you could feel a huge abdominal cavity and I thought she was done spawning. She was also skinny for her size and had like sores in her mouth. She spitted 4 plastic worms, had a magnum lizard still and when I cleaned her, still had 4 more senkos in her gut. She had a plastic addiction!

My questions for the knowledgeable ones, At what stage are the LMB at DVL? Is the spawn mid ways, or are are we in the last wave? Visibility does not help and I know many spawn deep, but I don't see a huge amount of shallow beds like in past years.

[HawgZWylde]

The lake is in pre and post spawn. No the spawn is not over, it comes in waves. The last time we had some good warm weather we had a wave of spawners but not so much since the weather and water temps dropped.The big girls usually spawn the earliest, sometimes as early as late January or early February. It wasn't massive by any means. I suspect this warm weather will trigger another spawn. I would like to throw in that the last couple of years the number of visible spawners were much lower than in the past and same with the number of DD's which is why I and a number of others don't seek bed fish. Especially if you run across a DD. It takes a special fish to reach that size and a lot of it has to do with genetics. There simply just isn't very many that get that big so I feel it's best to leave the giants alone so that as many of their eggs and fry as possible have the chance at surviving and pass those genes on to the next generation. I've seen bed fish well into summer and I've seen juvenile LMB's as late as August. Right now the reaction bite is REALLY good for pre and post spawners between 2-4lbs with the very occasional 5-6lber using several different reaction baits.

The last drawdown coupled with a massive Striper population has damaged the LMB population. Some will argue themselves blue saying bee ess. But those of us who fish this lake every week in all weather know that this is a damaged fishery and we should do everything possible to increase the chances of LMB survivability, especially those DD's. I still say they should get rid of Stripey limits on this lake because they not only eat all the forage species, they successfully breed en mass.

And here we are in yet another huge drawdown before the lake was able to fully recover from the last one...

[Skinny]

I caught two fish that also spit up senkos when i caught them. Neither of them had hooks attached to the worms or in their face. I suspect they might have been discarded by anglers into the water because they were beat up in the middle where the hook goes. Im as guilty as the next guy but after i caught those im going to start making an effort not to do that anymore. Hopefully Karma will be on my side and i will get a giant toad in exchange.

[Dontgetfdup]

How bad is the algae? I'm going fishing Thursday and if the algae is bad at DEL, I'll just go to perris!

[Skinny]

How bad is the algae? I'm going fishing Thursday and if the algae is bad at DEL, I'll just go to perris!

On monday it wasnt horrible. U can find some areas where its not bad at all. I was getting em on spinner baits and squarebills.

[619Angler]

How do I catch one of those stripers? Ive been trying to catch one in DVL for a while. At least a half a dozen times the last couple of years. I'm making the trip up there again 4/9 and hope to help you out with that striper problem.:Big Grin:

[Brent]

On my recent outing to DVL 4/5/14 water temp was 61 and warm up to 63/65 depending were you at. It was cold in the morning and post frontal after last week's system (showers). There is a growing algae bloom which makes sight fishing harder to do. We caught some fish early and it slowed down considerably without a breeze and flat water. Fish At DVL like some ripples. It did pick up a little in the afternoon. The bite was less productive than the last two weeks. I even caught a bass that was suffering from plastic poisoning. This poor fellow had roe although you could feel a huge abdominal cavity and I thought she was done spawning. She was also skinny for her size and had like sores in her mouth. [U]She spitted 4 plastic worms, had a magnum lizard still and when I cleaned her, still had 4 more senkos in her gut. She had a plastic addiction!

My questions for the knowledgeable ones, At what stage are the LMB at DVL? Is the spawn mid ways, or are are we in the last wave? Visibility does not help and I know many spawn deep, but I don't see a huge amount of shallow beds like in past years.

Please say you're not "cleaning" spawning fish. That's a real crappy thing to do during the spawn and will be seriously frowned upon by the regulars that fish there like myself.
I strongly urge catch and release, especially during the spawn. There have been numerous posts regarding the damage done to the fishery and depending who you talk to will depend on the opinion you get.
Take it from the regulars, the fishery is suffering right now and keeping spawning fish definately will not help.
Discarding used baits into the lake is littering and all baits should be kept until they can be thrown into the trash for the very reason you mentioned.

If we don't take care of the lake, the lake can and will be taken away by MWD.

Brent

[DarkShadow]

This poor fellow had roe although you could feel a huge abdominal cavity and I thought she was done spawning. She was also skinny for her size and had like sores in her mouth. She spitted 4 plastic worms, had a magnum lizard still and when I cleaned her, still had 4 more senkos in her gut. She had a plastic addiction!

Sooo...

Do you pan fry those babies or grill them?

And did you get rid of the roe? Because if you didn't, I've got an awesome recipe:

http://ic.pics.livejournal.com/world_blogger/20175469/80918/80918_original.jpg

[Brent]

On my recent outing to DVL 4/5/14 water temp was 61 and warm up to 63/65 depending were you at. It was cold in the morning and post frontal after last week's system (showers). There is a growing algae bloom which makes sight fishing harder to do. We caught some fish early and it slowed down considerably without a breeze and flat water. Fish At DVL like some ripples. It did pick up a little in the afternoon. The bite was less productive than the last two weeks. I even caught a bass that was suffering from plastic poisoning. This poor fellow had roe although you could feel a huge abdominal cavity and I thought she was done spawning. She was also skinny for her size and had like sores in her mouth. She spitted 4 plastic worms, had a magnum lizard still and when I cleaned her, still had 4 more senkos in her gut. She had a plastic addiction!

My questions for the knowledgeable ones, At what stage are the LMB at DVL? Is the spawn mid ways, or are are we in the last wave? Visibility does not help and I know many spawn deep, but I don't see a huge amount of shallow beds like in past years.

The irony in cleaning a spawning fish full of roe and then wondering where the hell all of the beds went is tooooo much!
Genius status attained my friend!

DS, you are the best s#!+ stater I know and I can't wait to see what's next. The sushi photo is making me hungry though.

Brent

[Lady Quagga]

At what stage are the LMB? Well apparently, the ones youre catching are at the stage where you need to start making the crema and start heating up the tortillas.

[Matt_Magnone]

ouch.......... :Dog Piss:

[noleash]

On my recent outing to DVL 4/5/14 water temp was 61 and warm up to 63/65 depending were you at. It was cold in the morning and post frontal after last week's system (showers). There is a growing algae bloom which makes sight fishing harder to do. We caught some fish early and it slowed down considerably without a breeze and flat water. Fish At DVL like some ripples. It did pick up a little in the afternoon. The bite was less productive than the last two weeks. I even caught a bass that was suffering from plastic poisoning. This poor fellow had roe although you could feel a huge abdominal cavity and I thought she was done spawning. She was also skinny for her size and had like sores in her mouth. She spitted 4 plastic worms, had a magnum lizard still and when I cleaned her, still had 4 more senkos in her gut. She had a plastic addiction!

My questions for the knowledgeable ones, At what stage are the LMB at DVL? Is the spawn mid ways, or are are we in the last wave? Visibility does not help and I know many spawn deep, but I don't see a huge amount of shallow beds like in past years.
I guess what I love most about california most is the unorthodoxed means in which some of its' residence try to educate the ignorant to their destuctive ways! In this CASE it's a local wildlife biologist explaining to the ignorant and selfish masses that the destructive manner in which thousands of idiots are abusing their local resource is in fact the demise and ultimate extiction of a fishery! Since the fish moved up into the shallows I have seen mega masses pounce on top of them and litterly beat spawning fish to death! Sinko hooks comming out of fishes asses, fish spitting out sinkos, and even giant abnormalities bulging out the side of fish, etc etc etc! WHY? Is it soooooo important to tell your buddies how awsome you are that, by the most destrutive methods to the health of a fishery,that I caught 15 fish today? Is the general public really that LAME? The answer is obviously YES they are! Pretty sad when you wake up in the morning, open the kictchen blinds see a giant green grassy field with the sillouete of the EAST DAM and say to yourself that it isn't even worth the FIVE minute drive and THREE dollars to go fish! Doesn't matter what is said on this FORUM or any other fishing website , obviously a false since of self worth is far more important than the protection of a valiable resorce ..................SO BE IT GUYS.............Arm yourselfs with those graphs, sinkos, and bed Jigs, and DESTROY as much resource as you all can! YEA!!!!!!:Big Grin:

[HawgZWylde]

Wow, I glanced over the OP and I missed the part where you claimed to have "cleaned" a spawning fish when I first posted. Dude that sucks! And is quite typical of today's "you tube" and "twitter" it's all about me and glory society. I remember you from other threads where you were already informed about the damaged fishery that DVL is and yet here you are boasting about killing a bedfish WITH ROE STILL IN HER. THAT SUCKS!

As for the plastics in the fish's gut? It is the reason I stopped using Senkos long ago as it's just too easy for those things to come off a hook. I only use t-rigged creature baits or jigs that rarely does the bait come off the hook. The reason you see so many plastic baits in a fish's belly should be telling of the lack of live forage for the LMB's and SMB's to eat. And right now with spawn in full swing, I use reaction baits or fish where I have the least chance of sticking a bedfish. Sure, I might accidentally catch one off a bed that I didn't know was there, but I always practice catch, revival and release.

Dude, why don't you target Stripey instead???? It tastes better and does a great service in removing a nuisance and invasive apex predator that is one of the biggest destroyers of the DVL fishery's diversity. Or maybe it's too hard for you...

[gogreeenz4]

people have said this before but there is an easy fix to the pressure our girls face during the spawn...bouy off a cove or three ! there is no way to stop the spawn savages that come out for a month or two of the year to chase fish other then that..people will be people no matter what they are told. sad but true!

[lobinero]

In my wildest dream I thought my thread was going to go viral. Originally to inquire the stage of LMB in DVL, maybe I was trying to open a productive discussion and educate other fishermen. Just like Matt does regularly. sharing information to become better at what we love the most.

I guess my mistake was to mention that I KEPT FISH. WOW! is that the most horrible mortal sin in this site ! Well let me add that the fish I cleaned had a large cavity. It honestly felt as a spawned out bass. Only when I filleted the fish, I noticed that it had roe. Yes I felt sorry, but nothing I could do then. Yes lady quagga, those fish nuggets really tasted good.

I practice catch and release 99% of the time. I abide by lake and state laws. If I feel I want to eat fish , I do take home. DFG biologists kill fish for different reasons. When you see what they are eating, you learn about the fishery. Does match the hatch sounds familiar?

If I would know how to fish for stripeys, I would!

Once again a few hypocrites chime in with their ignorant hypocritical rhetoric. Like they have never killed or eaten fish! Chastising me because I kept fish. I don't need to be educated on how to fish for LMB. Noleash, your sarcastic comments are worthless and deserves the upmost disdain by every fishermen in this site. If anyone is so protective of DVL fishery, don't fish during the winter, stay home during the spawn or take golfing instead. EVERY TIME YOU HOOK A FISH, YOU RISK INJURY!

No wonder why this site continues to loose writer...

[Double A]

:Applause::Applause:

[noleash]

In my wildest dream I thought my thread was going to go viral. Originally to inquire the stage of LMB in DVL, maybe I was trying to open a productive discussion and educate other fishermen. Just like Matt does regularly. sharing information to become better at what we love the most.

I guess my mistake was to mention that I KEPT FISH. WOW! is that the most horrible mortal sin in this site ! Well let me add that the fish I cleaned had a large cavity. It honestly felt as a spawned out bass. Only when I filleted the fish, I noticed that it had roe. Yes I felt sorry, but nothing I could do then. Yes lady quagga, those fish nuggets really tasted good.

I practice catch and release 99% of the time. I abide by lake and state laws. If I feel I want to eat fish , I do take home. DFG biologists kill fish for different reasons. When you see what they are eating, you learn about the fishery. Does match the hatch sounds familiar?

If I would know how to fish for stripeys, I would!

Once again a few hypocrites chime in with their ignorant hypocritical rhetoric. Like they have never killed or eaten fish! Chastising me because I kept fish. I don't need to be educated on how to fish for LMB. Noleash, your sarcastic comments are worthless and deserves the upmost disdain by every fishermen in this site. If anyone is so protective of DVL fishery, don't fish during the winter, stay home during the spawn or take golfing instead. EVERY TIME YOU HOOK A FISH, YOU RISK INJURY!

No wonder why this site continues to loose writer...
Obviosly your ignorance superseeds your understanding of my commits! Actually I was stoked that someone took the time to open a fish up and expose the daily traggedy being put upon this lake! Any comments put forth on this or any SO Cal website to try and change the way people destroy their local resources is in vain! My view of your post was one of a local biologist trying to educate the general public on the urgency in their actions during the most critical cycle of a lake general health! You catching a few to take home and eat is the least of my worries! My issue is with the mega masses stuffing sinkos down Basses throats then leaving behind Poisened fish for someone such as yourself to eat! Those baits you found in that fishes stomach do contain LEAD and I sincerly hope you didn't feed it to your wife or children! Sorry for the missunderstanding of what I said and again I am super stoked someone opened one up and exposed a REAL PROBLEM! Crim Fighter You!:Big Grin:

[noleash]

In my wildest dream I thought my thread was going to go viral. Originally to inquire the stage of LMB in DVL, maybe I was trying to open a productive discussion and educate other fishermen. Just like Matt does regularly. sharing information to become better at what we love the most.

I guess my mistake was to mention that I KEPT FISH. WOW! is that the most horrible mortal sin in this site ! Well let me add that the fish I cleaned had a large cavity. It honestly felt as a spawned out bass. Only when I filleted the fish, I noticed that it had roe. Yes I felt sorry, but nothing I could do then. Yes lady quagga, those fish nuggets really tasted good.

I practice catch and release 99% of the time. I abide by lake and state laws. If I feel I want to eat fish , I do take home. DFG biologists kill fish for different reasons. When you see what they are eating, you learn about the fishery. Does match the hatch sounds familiar?

If I would know how to fish for stripeys, I would!

Once again a few hypocrites chime in with their ignorant hypocritical rhetoric. Like they have never killed or eaten fish! Chastising me because I kept fish. I don't need to be educated on how to fish for LMB. Noleash, your sarcastic comments are worthless and deserves the upmost disdain by every fishermen in this site. If anyone is so protective of DVL fishery, don't fish during the winter, stay home during the spawn or take golfing instead. EVERY TIME YOU HOOK A FISH, YOU RISK INJURY!

No wonder why this site continues to loose writer...
Obviosly your ignorance superseeds your understanding of my commits! Actually I was stoked that someone took the time to open a fish up and expose the daily traggedy being put upon this lake! Any comments put forth on this or any SO Cal website to try and change the way people destroy their local resources is in vain! My view of your post was one of a local biologist trying to educate the general public on the urgency in their actions during the most critical cycle of a lake general health! You catching a few to take home and eat is the least of my worries! My issue is with the mega masses stuffing sinkos down Basses throats then leaving behind Poisened fish for someone such as yourself to eat! Those baits you found in that fishes stomach do contain LEAD and I sincerly hope you didn't feed it to your wife or children! Sorry for the missunderstanding of what I said and again I am super stoked someone opened one up and exposed a REAL PROBLEM! Crim Fighter You!:Big Grin:

[lobinero]

Noleash:
I really doubt the mega masses purposely shove plastics down a bass throat just to hurt other. Common man, who is the ignorant here!

[noleash]

Noleash:
I really doubt the mega masses purposely shove plastics down a bass throat just to hurt other. Common man, who is the ignorant here!
Well lets see?
A: Have you spent any time living in any other state such as Utah,Idaho Colorado Montana or anywhere that protects its' outdoor resources? B: Are you a repete season pass holder to this particular lake and fish it 12 months a year and witness first hand what activites go unchecked here? C: Do you even know the definition of IGNORANCE? D: Do you live anywhere near this resource and either see it out your kictchen window every morning or drive past it everyday? E: Would you even consider moving to Utah , Idaho or montana for a few years to PROPERLY EDUCATE yourself about responsible stuwardship of your outdoor resources? The list goes on and on and if your ignorant foolish pride won"t accept my apology for the misunderstanding then maybe it's actually people like YOU why others don"t post here. Crime Fighter You!::LOL:

[noleash]

Noleash:
I really doubt the mega masses purposely shove plastics down a bass throat just to hurt other. Common man, who is the ignorant here!
Fair Play....A Crime Fighter for a Common Man response......AN Ignorant for an Ignorant is Just....My advice to you is to save up some money and take a trip to some place whos' laws, rules, and regulations pertaining to its' outdoor resources are implimented and srickly inforced to preserve and protect the quality henceforth
and experiance blue ribbon fisheries first hand! Yourself and whomever you choose to take with you will remember and charish those moments for the rest of your lives! Yes everyone is Ignorant in their own special way and that is what spawns the hope for everyone to try to make tomorrow a better day for everyone! Good Luck in your future endevoirs and God Bless!:Big Grin:

[seal]

Noleash if you wish to act like an intellect and want to call others ignorant then please do me a favor and use a spell check or get a little higher education.

Superseed's? I'll take a few dozen if they're the right strain, lol.

[seal]

No worse time for eating a female LMB, trout etc.. is during the spawning period, no meat and mushy. That's how you educate.

[DarkShadow]

Superseed's? I'll take a few dozen if they're the right strain, lol.

http://www.kidsgrowingstrong.org/sites/default/files/Images/SuperSeed.gif



No worse time for eating a female LMB, trout etc.. is during the spawning period, no meat and mushy. That's how you educate.

I tend to disagree. Bass caviar is very delicious when placed on Ritz crackers:

http://osagecatfisheries.com/show/1.jpg

[Team Santana]

Is this thread going anywhere useful?

[noleash]

Noleash if you wish to act like an intellect and want to call others ignorant then please do me a favor and use a spell check or get a little higher education.

Superseed's? I'll take a few dozen if they're the right strain, lol.

Thank GOD for nights in shinny wite armaor! I honestly diddnot think i was going to klimb outa that whole a lone! thank yous sIR!

[HawgZWylde]

No worse time for eating a female LMB, trout etc.. is during the spawning period, no meat and mushy. That's how you educate.

"I'm not a Hypocrite neither, I love bed fishing, however I will return that fish un harmed asap."


http://fishingnetwork.net/forum4/showthread.php?78456-Bedfish


oooops...:Idea:

[lobinero]

No oops there. 99% read again !

[HawgZWylde]

No oops there. 99% read again !

Ok man, it's just your original post here came off, at least in mine and others minds as a bit harsh. I pretty much agree with Pete and Matt on the other thread, it is what it is and since it's legal we can't say much other than try to point out that DVL is unique due to it's terrain and damaged because of it's invasive Stripey population and drawdowns. I came off harsh and I apologize but it doesn't change my opinion on deliberate bedfishing at DVL. There is way too much pressure on an already pressured by Striper LMB and SMB population. And yes indeed an overabundance of discarded or lost soft plastics. I've fished this lake every week for years and I see a steady decline in the number and weight of fish caught and a decline in the amount of visible beds, which surely must translate to the deeper beds. Am I the only one to notice a huge decline in the number of 5-9lb LMB's and beds? And like Matt said, and I'm sure others here know, I'm no eco/PETA nut, I just care deeply for the fishery and it's long term health...

[lobinero]

I think we can rest this thread on the positive. DVL is a great fishery and deserve our protection. My original post was missunderstood by some. I don't spend weekends killing fish. That's not who I am. We love this sport and we should be able to continue sharing information without been criticized. God bless.