Gun Laws

[Serg]

Check this out
[URL="http://news.yahoo.com/court-tosses-californias-concealed-weapons-200220826.html"]

[Lady Quagga]

At the risk of redundancy, allow me to quote the article:


SAN FRANCISCO (AP) -- A divided federal appeals court has struck down California's concealed weapons rules, saying they violate the Second Amendment right to bear arms.

The 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals said Thursday that California is wrong to require applicants to show good cause to receive a permit to carry a concealed weapon. The court ruled that all law-abiding citizens are entitled to carry concealed weapons outside the home for self-defense purposes.

The divided three-judge panel disagreed with two other federal appeals courts that have upheld permit rules similar to California's.

The U.S. Supreme Court often takes cases when federal appeals courts issue conflicting rulings.

The Supreme Court ruled in 2008 that law-abiding citizens can keep handguns in the home for self-defense purposes, but didn't address whether that right extends outside the home.

This is good news for California gun owners, but this fight is by no means over. As the article points out, this will likely go to the Supreme Court for review, and even if the decision is upheld, there will need to be legislation and regulations established for shall-issue permits. And I am curious as to how this will impact local municipalities, which can and have restricted gun rights. Time to do some research, and remain cautiously optimistic. Oh, and contact your Assembly-person.

[DarkShadow]

Time to do some research.

I prefer to see what party is voting what, so i can align myself to them and not have to do any research.

Thank you, though.

[Lady Quagga]

I prefer to see what party is voting what, so i can align myself to them and not have to do any research.

Thank you, though.

Hey DS, I see you've been taking lessons from our resident idiot conservatives**.

**Who claim to be independent because they're too ashamed to admit they're Republicans (though I'd be too, considering what the Billionaire Bros. have done to the GOP).

[DarkShadow]

I'm an independent.

[DEVOREFLYER]

Well that restricted gun laws are working out fine for the hoodlums in Oakland eh!!!!



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pvTEBYgGjvk

[HawgZWylde]

Won't be long Dev. And Oakland ain't the only place this is happening...

[DEVOREFLYER]

And a little ditty from the Venezuela Socialists and an UNARMED group of protesters.

WARNING EXTREAMLY GRAPHIC!!!

http://www.maduradas.com/indignante-estas-son-las-imagenes-que-maduro-no-quiere-que-veas-sobre-la-agresion-a-estudiantes

[Double A]

Well that restricted gun laws are working out fine for the hoodlums in Oakland eh!!!!



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pvTEBYgGjvk

What's worse, is that they're breeding.

[exfactor]

http://youtu.be/zNUqAP8Wr2c
check this out!

[HawgZWylde]

http://youtu.be/zNUqAP8Wr2c
check this out!

Wow, the epitome of elitist arrogance. I thought they worked for us?

[HawgZWylde]

What's worse, is that they're breeding.


And invading...

[Lady Quagga]

http://youtu.be/zNUqAP8Wr2c
check this out!

I have no problem banning the use of lead ammunition for hunting. This is not a comprehensive ban on lead ammunition, nor is it a de facto ban on hunting itself. The opposition and polarization we see now on this issue is driven by hypocrisy, ignorance, and alarmist tactics by groups and special interests who should know better.

As for the video: there is nothing which compels the FGC Commissioners to respond to comments made during public forum. In fact, given the confrontational nature of the NSSF representative's comments, I wouldn't have commented on her remarks either. I am curious to see what the Attorney General determines in the NSSF's complaint, but given the facts of this issue and full disclosure of Mr. Sutton's affiliations, I see no wrongdoing which the AG should act on. And so it goes.

[Which Way Out]

http://youtu.be/zNUqAP8Wr2c
check this out!

Well that pretty much sums that up!!! Time to clean house in the DFW imo....

WWO

[DockRat]

This week the Mississippi House passed a trio of gun laws yesterday preventing the government from seizing firearms during a state emergency.
The Clarion Ledger reported:
The House on Tuesday passed a trio of gun-rights bills — one to prevent local governments from buying guns to destroy them, another to make clear local governments can’t seize guns during states of emergency or martial law and one clarifying state gun laws preempt local ordinances.

House Bill 485, passed unanimously, says cities and counties having gun buybacks must offer the guns for sale to licensed gun dealers and can junk them only after proving they are of no value.

House Bill 705, passed 112-2, would prohibit confiscation of personal firearms by local governments after emergencies or if martial — military — law has been declared. House Judiciary Chairman Mark Baker, R-Brandon, said there were reports of such in New Orleans after Hurricane Katrina.

House Bill 314, passed 85-33 on Tuesday, would clarify that city and county governments “may not interfere with the right of citizens to possess firearms” and that state gun laws trump local ones.

:Applause::Applause::Applause::Applause::Applause: :Applause::Applause:

[Which Way Out]

I have no problem banning the use of lead ammunition for hunting. This is not a comprehensive ban on lead ammunition, nor is it a de facto ban on hunting itself. The opposition and polarization we see now on this issue is driven by hypocrisy, ignorance, and alarmist tactics by groups and special interests who should know better.

As for the video: there is nothing which compels the FGC Commissioners to respond to comments made during public forum. In fact, given the confrontational nature of the NSSF representative's comments, I wouldn't have commented on her remarks either. I am curious to see what the Attorney General determines in the NSSF's complaint, but given the facts of this issue and full disclosure of Mr. Sutton's affiliations, I see no wrongdoing which the AG should act on. And so it goes.

Video was dated 02-05-14 and titled Fish and Game Commissioner Sutton.
Correct me, but is it not now called FISH AND WILDLIFE? The open distaste of the Commission towards Sportsmen and Sportswomen is so evident that a blind person could see it.

I for one don't believe that the commission has OUR interest at heart. The agenda is plain as the nose our faces. They WILL shut down anything and everything piece by piece all in effort to submit to a every larger growing effort to BAN all Sport-fishing of any kind as well as Hunting.

We all have an opinion and I have voiced mine. Like it or not, the truth will be known one day on the true intentions. At the moment I don't have the time to go back and research the quotes that some commissioners have openly stated as well as the USHS statements. They are on the record for saying they will shut down all hunting in Calif. and then take on the rest of the country. This will include fishing as well.

WWO

[Which Way Out]

This week the Mississippi House passed a trio of gun laws yesterday preventing the government from seizing firearms during a state emergency.
The Clarion Ledger reported:
The House on Tuesday passed a trio of gun-rights bills — one to prevent local governments from buying guns to destroy them, another to make clear local governments can’t seize guns during states of emergency or martial law and one clarifying state gun laws preempt local ordinances.

House Bill 485, passed unanimously, says cities and counties having gun buybacks must offer the guns for sale to licensed gun dealers and can junk them only after proving they are of no value.

House Bill 705, passed 112-2, would prohibit confiscation of personal firearms by local governments after emergencies or if martial — military — law has been declared. House Judiciary Chairman Mark Baker, R-Brandon, said there were reports of such in New Orleans after Hurricane Katrina.

House Bill 314, passed 85-33 on Tuesday, would clarify that city and county governments “may not interfere with the right of citizens to possess firearms” and that state gun laws trump local ones.

:Applause::Applause::Applause::Applause::Applause: :Applause::Applause:


DR that's a great start. We need more of that.
WWO

[Lady Quagga]

Video was dated 02-05-14 and titled Fish and Game Commissioner Sutton.
Correct me, but is it not now called FISH AND WILDLIFE? The open distaste of the Commission towards Sportsmen and Sportswomen is so evident that a blind person could see it.

The Fish and Game Commission is not part of the Department of Fish and Wildlife. But you knew that, right?


I for one don't believe that the commission has OUR interest at heart. The agenda is plain as the nose our faces. They WILL shut down anything and everything piece by piece all in effort to submit to a every larger growing effort to BAN all Sport-fishing of any kind as well as Hunting.

And AB-711 doesn't do that. Implementation may take up to five years, and requires the commission to provide a list of approved ammunition by next year. Additionally, the law would in fact be suspended if "nonlead ammunition of a specific caliber is not commercially available from any manufacturer because of federal prohibitions relating to armor-piercing ammunition". But you knew that, right?


We all have an opinion and I have voiced mine. Like it or not, the truth will be known one day on the true intentions. At the moment I don't have the time to go back and research the quotes that some commissioners have openly stated as well as the USHS statements. They are on the record for saying they will shut down all hunting in Calif. and then take on the rest of the country. This will include fishing as well.

I look forward to your research. You know, when you *do* have the time. Until then, save me your slippery slope arguments. The commission's mission statement (http://www.fgc.ca.gov/public/information/) is quite clear, and admits the conflicts which arise between special interests. Like it or not, hunters and anglers do form one of many special interests, and it's not the commission's duty to cater only to that particular one.

[City Dad]

They WILL shut down anything and everything piece by piece all in effort to submit to a every larger growing effort to BAN all Sport-fishing of any kind as well as Hunting.

I tend to doubt it... not while hunting and fishing represent a decent chunk of $$$ - which they do. What kind of industry does no hunting and fishing create? This is America and if there is business out there to be done, you can bet your arse it's gonna get done.

[Which Way Out]

The Fish and Game Commission is not part of the Department of Fish and Wildlife. But you knew that, right?

And AB-711 doesn't do that. Implementation may take up to five years, and requires the commission to provide a list of approved ammunition by next year. Additionally, the law would in fact be suspended if "nonlead ammunition of a specific caliber is not commercially available from any manufacturer because of federal prohibitions relating to armor-piercing ammunition". But you knew that, right?

I look forward to your research. You know, when you *do* have the time. Until then, save me your slippery slope arguments. The commission's mission statement (http://www.fgc.ca.gov/public/information/) is quite clear, and admits the conflicts which arise between special interests. Like it or not, hunters and anglers do form one of many special interests, and it's not the commission's duty to cater only to that particular one.

#1 "right?" Your tone says it all...

#2 Again the Tone, I don't pretend to known everything, and when an open discussion turns childish, well then I see no reason to attempt to any further correspondence.
So for the record, I didn't mention anything specific. I put in my opinion on how I think the commission feels about Me as a Hunter and a Fisherman.

#3 My limited time this morning before heading off to work is the only reason I didn't have the Time to add anything you could use against me. The *do* and the "save me your slippery slope arguments", ban me from further conversation with you.

Have a nice day. Besides it's Valentines Day and I would rather spend my time with someone I care about.

WWO

[Which Way Out]

I tend to doubt it... not while hunting and fishing represent a decent chunk of $$$ - which they do. What kind of industry does no hunting and fishing create? This is America and if there is business out there to be done, you can bet your arse it's gonna get done.

Well said City Dad.
But no one call tell the future that's for sure. Its just that I see more and more public places getting closed for very obscure reasons.

So I will add a couple small words to my comment above. I should of anyway before hitting send. Also I could of added the closing of many well known and used Jeep trails on Public Lands.

They WILL try to shut down anything and everything piece by piece all in effort to submit to a every larger growing effort to BAN all Sport-fishing of any kind as well as Hunting.

Cheers CD

WWO

[Lady Quagga]

Why let your ignorance get in the way of posting further? You haven't let it stop you up until now....

[HawgZWylde]

#1 "right?" Your tone says it all...

#2 Again the Tone, I don't pretend to known everything, and when an open discussion turns childish, well then I see no reason to attempt to any further correspondence.
So for the record, I didn't mention anything specific. I put in my opinion on how I think the commission feels about Me as a Hunter and a Fisherman.

#3 My limited time this morning before heading off to work is the only reason I didn't have the Time to add anything you could use against me. The *do* and the "save me your slippery slope arguments", ban me from further conversation with you.

Have a nice day. Besides it's Valentines Day and I would rather spend my time with someone I care about.

WWO

What to expect from someone who considers herself the Pythia of FNN...

[Lady Quagga]

What to expect from someone who considers herself the Pythia of FNN...

This from the astroturf conservative who regurgitates every right-wing screed he reads on bathroom stalls. You know, when he's not reaching under for "toilet paper".

[DEVOREFLYER]

This from the astroturf conservative who regurgitates every right-wing screed he reads on bathroom stalls. You know, when he's not reaching under for "toilet paper".


The question begs does the Silia aka Lady Quagga "Fold or Wad"?

[HawgZWylde]

This from the astroturf conservative who regurgitates every right-wing screed he reads on bathroom stalls. You know, when he's not reaching under for "toilet paper".

Amendment II

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

So that about sums up how a citizen of the world like you would think of our constitution...

[HawgZWylde]

The question begs does the Silia aka Lady Quagga "Fold or Wad"?

Quagga and tucky would make a great couple eh Dev...

[DEVOREFLYER]

Da Quagga should be scared cuz tucky hunts Cougars with a .22 cal. and Da Quagga is defiantly a Cougar (48 years).

[HawgZWylde]

Da Quagga should be scared cuz tucky hunts Cougars with a .22 cal. and Da Quagga is defiantly a Cougar (48 years).

Lol, yup. And it fits right in with her predatory and stalker behavior here on the boards...

[Lady Quagga]

Amendment II

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

So that about sums up how a citizen of the world like you would think of our constitution...

I support shall-issue CCW permits. I support a ban on lead ammunition for hunting. Neither view infringes on the 2nd Amendment right, you blathering idiot.

Keep reaching under that stall though....

[HawgZWylde]

I support shall-issue CCW permits. I support a ban on lead ammunition for hunting. Neither view infringes on the 2nd Amendment right, you blathering idiot.

Keep reaching under that stall though....

Good on you Goldielocks, and I didn't say you didn't. I just pointed out the fact that you personally attack those who stand by our constitution, on a regular basis.

For hunting purposes, steel ammunition is far in-superior to lead. And the studies that showed lead hurting wildlife through ingestion are trumped up and bogus just like all this man made caused global warming/climate change bee ess...

[DEVOREFLYER]

Well here is about 10 lbs of lead bullets (1000+ rounds) I casted this past weekend. The lead ban is a BS eco science back door liberal attempt to ban firearms and hunting. I have about 100 lbs of lead ingots I better get busy. So the lead ammunition ban just prevented all muzzle loaders from being able to hunt along with hunters that own vintage rifles with rare calibers that no manufacturer will make ammo for due to low numbers. I have a few of those vintage firearms and that's why I reload and will continue to do so.

http://i.imgur.com/Z2a5Ynj.jpg

[etucker1959]

Good on you Goldielocks, and I didn't say you didn't. I just pointed out the fact that you personally attack those who stand by our constitution, on a regular basis.

For hunting purposes, steel ammunition is far in-superior to lead. And the studies that showed lead hurting wildlife through ingestion are trumped up and bogus just like all this man made caused global warming/climate change bee ess...

I might add that the world is flat also!!!! At least a few people on this planet believe that. You're never going to get 100% of the people to believe in ANYTHING!!!! So when the majority of the world is in agreement that man has influenced the climate. You would expect someone to disagree with that. In this case the Political Conservatives of the United States. Who seem to do it more for Political reasons, then based on Scientific Data!!!!

[HawgZWylde]

I might add that the world is flat also!!!! At least a few people on this planet believe that. You're never going to get 100% of the people to believe in ANYTHING!!!! So when the majority of the world is in agreement that man has influenced the climate. You would expect someone to disagree with that. In this case the Political Conservatives of the United States. Who seem to do it more for Political reasons, then based on Scientific Data!!!!

Lol, keep drinking the kool aide lefty tucky;

http://www.globalclimatescam.com/2013/11/half-of-meteorologists-dont-believe-in-man-made-global-warming/

http://www.climatedepot.com/

Lol, tucky, you just posted the same words that comrade Kerry did before he was chased out of Indonesia by a volcano eruption. Lol, sounds like he may have p*ssed off a Greek God or Goddess or two eh? Media matters much tucky?

[Lady Quagga]

Good on you Goldielocks, and I didn't say you didn't. I just pointed out the fact that you personally attack those who stand by our constitution, on a regular basis.

Nice try numbnuts. You'll find that I am firm supporter of the Constitution in general, and the Bill of Rights in particular. I support them even when they are invoked in issues I do not agree with - something you have demonstrated otherwise.


For hunting purposes, steel ammunition is far in-superior to lead. And the studies that showed lead hurting wildlife through ingestion are trumped up and bogus just like all this man made caused global warming/climate change bee ess...

I am quite familiar with the ballistics and expansion properties of ammunition. The technology and capabilities exist to make effective non-lead ammunition for hunting. And only someone who ate paint chips as a child would lend credence to any study which tries to disprove the harmful effects of lead on wildlife. But let's entertain that for a moment: the use of a contradicting study begs the question - que bono?

[HawgZWylde]

Nice try numbnuts. You'll find that I am firm supporter of the Constitution in general, and the Bill of Rights in particular. I support them even when they are invoked in issues I do not agree with - something you have demonstrated otherwise.



I am quite familiar with the ballistics and expansion properties of ammunition. The technology and capabilities exist to make effective non-lead ammunition for hunting. And only someone who ate paint chips as a child would lend credence to any study which tries to disprove the harmful effects of lead on wildlife. But let's entertain that for a moment: the use of a contradicting study begs the question - que bono?

MMHHMM, deflection and rhetorical character assassination are sure signs of a troll, indeed...

[Lady Quagga]

There is no deflection. Your use of one of your favorite go-to words doesn't make it so.

And character assassination? Save your blatant hypocrisy for someone who doesn't know any better, sunshine.

[HawgZWylde]

There is no deflection. Your use of one of your favorite go-to words doesn't make it so.

And character assassination? Save your blatant hypocrisy for someone who doesn't know any better, sunshine.

Bwahaha, you drew first blood long ago Goldielocks. Hypocrisy? Coming from someone who regularly attacks those to the right of a socialist/communist? And those who wholeheartedly support our capitalist free market, constitution based federal republic? I'm saving it all for you Darlin. Well, tucky is fun to play with too...

[DEVOREFLYER]

Maybe da Quagga and tucky can have a beer summit, I'll buy the Hoegaarden. You know how those European socialists like that cool beer.

[Lady Quagga]

Bwahaha, you drew first blood long ago Goldielocks. Hypocrisy? Coming from someone who regularly attacks those to the right of a socialist/communist? And those who wholeheartedly support our capitalist free market, constitution based federal republic? I'm saving it all for you Darlin. Well, tucky is fun to play with too...

Sorry numbnuts, but you are a hypocrite. Deal with it.

Capitalist free market? This country has never had a pure/open capitalist free market, something I've pointed out on more than one occasion, and which you conveniently failed to address.

Constitution based federal republic? Oh yes, another one of your favorite go-to terms, implying that anyone who opposes your political views also opposes a constitution based federal republic. Nevermind the fact it is that very system of government which has presented - for better or for worse - the social, economic, and political state we have in our country now. Something else which I've pointed out repeatedly, and which you've conveniently failed to address.

[etucker1959]

Lol, keep drinking the kool aide lefty tucky;

http://www.globalclimatescam.com/2013/11/half-of-meteorologists-dont-believe-in-man-made-global-warming/

http://www.climatedepot.com/

Lol, tucky, you just posted the same words that comrade Kerry did before he was chased out of Indonesia by a volcano eruption. Lol, sounds like he may have p*ssed off a Greek God or Goddess or two eh? Media matters much tucky?

I think it's kind of cute when you use words like Pythia to describe Lady Q. Have you been reading Greek bedtime stories to the Grandkids or something????? The way I see it, you're alienating your audience with words I'm sure they don't understand. Most of your audience probably doesn't know the difference between a Fabian and a Lesbian. So why are you using those words?????? If it's because someone told you too to impress your audience, you should go back and tell them It's not working!!!!!!!

[HawgZWylde]

I think it's kind of cute when you use words like Pythia to describe Lady Q. Have you been reading Greek bedtime stories to the Grandkids or something????? The way I see it, you're alienating your audience with words I'm sure they don't understand. Most of your audience probably doesn't know the difference between a Fabian and a Lesbian. So why are you using those words?????? If it's because someone told you too to impress your audience, you should go back and tell them It's not working!!!!!!!

Lol, just because a bonehead like you doesn't understand doesn't mean others don't. Nobody tells me anything, I go out and learn and have done so my entire life, unlike you Mr. Media Matters/msnbc. And trust me, some of the "words" I'm using are for one person, and one person only. And I assure you that person knows exactly what I'm talking about...

Oh, and BTW just so YOU know tucky, a Fabian is a member or supporter of the Fabian Society, an organization of socialists aiming at the gradual rather than revolutionary achievement of socialism. Which is what is slowly replacing free market capitalism in America. And it's goal is a social democratic state in place of our constitution based federal republic...

Oh and tucky, there is a reason why "socialists" keep changing their names throughout history and why they now like to call themselves progressive liberals. Because as always, the ideology injects itself into the fabric of a society which then ALWAYS leads to economic and social failure. Time and again history has proved this and is currently in full view in Europe, and America...

[City Dad]

I think it's kind of cute when you use words like Pythia to describe Lady Q. Have you been reading Greek bedtime stories to the Grandkids or something????? The way I see it, you're alienating your audience with words I'm sure they don't understand. Most of your audience probably doesn't know the difference between a Fabian and a Lesbian. So why are you using those words?????? If it's because someone told you too to impress your audience, you should go back and tell them It's not working!!!!!!!

You are one simple barbarian, eutucker1959. Obviously the classical references in HW's work are intended to be viewed as a whole. He is clearly using himself as a character in an allegorical illustration of the Icarus fable!

[Lady Quagga]

You are one simple barbarian, eutucker1959. Obviously the classical references in HW's work are intended to be viewed as a whole. He is clearly using himself as a character in an allegorical illustration of the Icarus fable!

"....but Daeda, that's where the fun is...."

[etucker1959]

Lol, just because a bonehead like you doesn't understand doesn't mean others don't. Nobody tells me anything, I go out and learn and have done so my entire life, unlike you Mr. Media Matters/msnbc. And trust me, some of the "words" I'm using are for one person, and one person only. And I assure you that person knows exactly what I'm talking about...

Oh, and BTW just so YOU know tucky, a Fabian is a member or supporter of the Fabian Society, an organization of socialists aiming at the gradual rather than revolutionary achievement of socialism. Which is what is slowly replacing free market capitalism in America. And it's goal is a social democratic state in place of our constitution based federal republic...

Oh and tucky, there is a reason why "socialists" keep changing their names throughout history and why they now like to call themselves progressive liberals. Because as always, the ideology injects itself into the fabric of a society which then ALWAYS leads to economic and social failure. Time and again history has proved this and is currently in full view in Europe, and America...

Don't you think it's a little rude to post a comment that is intended for only 1 PERSON TO UNDERSTAND!!!!!!! According to Websters new universal unabridged dictionary, the definition of Pythia is the following. It's a ancient Greek word to describe the high priestess of Delphi, who was believed to hold communion with God and to voice his oracles!!!!!!!

[HawgZWylde]

Don't you think it's a little rude to post a comment that is intended for only 1 PERSON TO UNDERSTAND!!!!!!! According to Websters new universal unabridged dictionary, [QUOTE]the definition of Pythia is the following. It's a ancient Greek word to describe the high priestess of Delphi, who was believed to hold communion with God and to voice his oracles!!!!!!!

Yup, it certainly is...

[etucker1959]

[QUOTE=etucker1959;717590]Don't you think it's a little rude to post a comment that is intended for only 1 PERSON TO UNDERSTAND!!!!!!! According to Websters new universal unabridged dictionary,

Yup, it certainly is...

Ok, I'll give you that one. GOOD COMEBACK!!!!!!

[HawgZWylde]

[QUOTE=HawgZWylde;717611]

Ok, I'll give you that one. GOOD COMEBACK!!!!!!

Bwahaha. tucky, that MIGHT have worked if my post wasn't directly above the one you just posted that clearly shows that's not what I said. Nice try though. Boy, you and Goldilocks sure like to try and put words in others mouths...

[Lady Quagga]

Boy, you and Goldilocks sure like to try and put words in others mouths...

Sorry sunshine, but I don't need to put words in your mouth. You make an idiot of yourself quite well on your own.

[seal]

I think it's kind of cute when you use words like Pythia to describe Lady Q.

The love affair continues. You 2 really need to get a room.

[DEVOREFLYER]

The love affair continues. You 2 really need to get a room.

I think they do, it's in one their Mom's basement. Don't all Libs live in Mom's basement?:EyePop:

[Lady Quagga]

The love affair continues. You 2 really need to get a room.

Sorry to disappoint you seal, but the only serenade you're hearing is Hawgz flatulence for all things conservative.

[HawgZWylde]

Sorry to disappoint you seal, but the only serenade you're hearing is Hawgz flatulence for all things conservative.

Lol, funny you say that Goldilocks. Can you copy and paste any actual "conservative" policy I posted other than opposition to socialism and communism, Obozo, and all things to the far left? Policy, not opposition...

[Lady Quagga]

Lol, funny you say that Goldilocks. Can you copy and paste any actual "conservative" policy I posted other than opposition to socialism and communism, Obozo, and all things to the far left? Policy, not opposition...

Sorry numbnuts, but I am not about to wade through all of your asinine posts from the last couple of years to provide you with your own political points of view. And I say points of view, and not policy, because unless you got elected to pubic office recently, you have no power to implement policy. You can only offer an opinion on what you think policy should be.

Having said that, I do seem to recall a recent discussion on Keystone, in which you offered your opinion on what U.S. policy should be. I only recall it because of the hypocrisy you display when it comes to oil-versus-water resources and the impact of both on private property rights.

[HawgZWylde]

Sorry numbnuts, but I am not about to wade through all of your asinine posts from the last couple of years to provide you with your own political points of view. And I say points of view, and not policy, because unless you got elected to pubic office recently, you have no power to implement policy. You can only offer an opinion on what you think policy should be.

Having said that, I do seem to recall a recent discussion on Keystone, in which you offered your opinion on what U.S. policy should be. I only recall it because of the hypocrisy you display when it comes to oil-versus-water resources and the impact of both on private property rights.

Lol, because you can't. I haven't offered any. And as far as the Keystone project, I said I supported it for economic and employment issues. That's it. That's non-partisan and really is common sense. I never argued any oil vs water issues. Sorry Goldilocks, you got me mixed up with someone else.

Oh, I have posted about the EPA and their water rights grab and how it will affect property rights but again, that's a non-partisan and common sense issue that affects all Americans...

[Lady Quagga]

Lol, because you can't. I haven't offered any. And as far as the Keystone project, I said I supported it for economic and employment issues. That's it. That's non-partisan and really is common sense. I never argued any oil vs water issues. Sorry Goldilocks, you got me mixed up with someone else.

Oh, I have posted about the EPA and their water rights grab and how it will affect property rights but again, that's a non-partisan and common sense issue that affects all Americans...

Hey numbnuts, are you blind? or just illiterate? I just pointed out a specific issue in which you offered an opinion on what policy should be.

And whether you like it or not, you've been quite partisan in your views on both oil and water issues. You calling them "non-partisan" or "common sense" is disingenuous. And since you seemed to be confused: I never said you argued oil versus water issues. What I said was, with regards to private property rights, your views on oil versus water issues are inconsistent and contradictory. Saying you support Keystone for economic and employment issues - and "that's it" - only demonstrates your willful ignorance or hypocrisy.

[HawgZWylde]

Hey numbnuts, are you blind? or just illiterate? I just pointed out a specific issue in which you offered an opinion on what policy should be.

And whether you like it or not, you've been quite partisan in your views on both oil and water issues. You calling them "non-partisan" or "common sense" is disingenuous. And since you seemed to be confused: I never said you argued oil versus water issues. What I said was, with regards to private property rights, your views on oil versus water issues are inconsistent and contradictory. Saying you support Keystone for economic and employment issues - and "that's it" - only demonstrates your willful ignorance or hypocrisy.

Hey Goldilocks I'm neither, and again, that's not what I said. Copy and paste what I said or it didn't happen, which it didn't. You are grabbing at straws troll. Now I'm going to go fishing, something you don't seem to do much, if at all. Have a nice day...

[DockRat]

I think they do, it's in one their Mom's basement. Don't all Libs live in Mom's basement?:EyePop:
LMAO, I used to like the show 'Get a Life'

Sorry numbnuts, but I am not about to wade through all of your asinine posts from the last couple of years to provide you with your own political points of view. And I say points of view, and not policy, because unless you got elected to pubic office recently, you have no power to implement policy. You can only offer an opinion on what you think policy should be.

Having said that, I do seem to recall a recent discussion on Keystone, in which you offered your opinion on what U.S. beer policy should be.


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LQ is full of surprises.
DR

[Lady Quagga]

Hey Goldilocks I'm neither,

You asked for an example, numbnuts. I provided one in spite of saying I wasn't going to search through all of your posts, and then you claim I couldn't. So you're either blind or illiterate.


and again, that's not what I said. Copy and paste what I said or it didn't happen, which it didn't.

Since you appear to have difficulties comprehending your native tongue, let's phrase it in a way that's easier for you to grasp.

You've ventured opinions on both water and oil issues. Now, both of these issues involve the possible infringement upon private property rights. You made it a point to bring up property rights in your blathering on about water, but were mum when it came to oil. So, you were either ignorant of the property rights issues involved with Keystone, or you knew and have no problem with it, in which case you're a hypocrite.

[HawgZWylde]

You asked for an example, numbnuts. I provided one in spite of saying I wasn't going to search through all of your posts, and then you claim I couldn't. So you're either blind or illiterate.



Since you appear to have difficulties comprehending your native tongue, let's phrase it in a way that's easier for you to grasp.

You've ventured opinions on both water and oil issues. Now, both of these issues involve the possible infringement upon private property rights. You made it a point to bring up property rights in your blathering on about water, but were mum when it came to oil. So, you were either ignorant of the property rights issues involved with Keystone, or you knew and have no problem with it, in which case you're a hypocrite.

You're lying. It never happened...

[Lady Quagga]

You're lying. It never happened...

Yes, it did. Denying it doesn't make it go away.

Whatever dosage you're on, you should have it increased. Or decreased. Whatever.

[HawgZWylde]

Yes, it did. Denying it doesn't make it go away.

Whatever dosage you're on, you should have it increased. Or decreased. Whatever.

Then you should have no problem proving it Goldilocks. Sorry I don't drink or do drugs. But I know you do...

[Lady Quagga]

Proving what? That you spoke about water and oil issues? You've admitted in this very thread that you have, so there is nothing to prove.

Like I said, you need to work on that dosage, numbnuts. Either that, or cut back on the paint chips.

[addict]

Lol, just because a bonehead like you doesn't understand doesn't mean others don't. Nobody tells me anything, I go out and learn and have done so my entire life, unlike you Mr. Media Matters/msnbc. And trust me, some of the "words" I'm using are for one person, and one person only. And I assure you that person knows exactly what I'm talking about...

Oh, and BTW just so YOU know tucky, a Fabian is a member or supporter of the Fabian Society, an organization of socialists aiming at the gradual rather than revolutionary achievement of socialism. Which is what is slowly replacing free market capitalism in America. And it's goal is a social democratic state in place of our constitution based federal republic...

Oh and tucky, there is a reason why "socialists" keep changing their names throughout history and why they now like to call themselves progressive liberals. Because as always, the ideology injects itself into the fabric of a society which then ALWAYS leads to economic and social failure. Time and again history has proved this and is currently in full view in Europe, and America...

Hawgs I think your starting a trend , my retardican buddy is now claiming to be a independent like you. Or maybe it's just because the conservatives are so damn stupid .. Probably the second reason.

[DarkShadow]

my retardican buddy is now claiming to be a independent like you.

You've noticed that too?

It's funny how many people have jumped ship from the "Republican" bandwagon and are now going the less embarrassing route of being labeled in "independent."

Hope they vote "independent" in 2016.

[HawgZWylde]

You've noticed that too?

It's funny how many people have jumped ship from the "Republican" bandwagon and are now going the less embarrassing route of being labeled in "independent."

Hope they vote "independent" in 2016.

It's not a matter of being embarrassed. It's all about the republican leadership and certain members of the party losing their "republicanism". I'll gladly vote for any independent who has a desire to rid our government of the parasitic Fabians who now infest it...

[HawgZWylde]

Hawgs I think your starting a trend , my retardican buddy is now claiming to be a independent like you. Or maybe it's just because the conservatives are so damn stupid .. Probably the second reason.


Do you call your buddy stupid to his face? And why are you a lurker? Sounds to me like your a troll. Too stupid to start any threads on your own...

[Lady Quagga]

Fabians

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[etucker1959]

You've noticed that too?

It's funny how many people have jumped ship from the "Republican" bandwagon and are now going the less embarrassing route of being labeled in "independent."

Hope they vote "independent" in 2016.

They won't!!!!!! They will all be voting Republican once again...

[HawgZWylde]

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AMERICAN FABIANISM

The permeation of the United States by British Fabian socialism proceeded primarily through the universities. The main root of Fabian “permeation” was Harvard University. Fabian socialists as well as Marxian socialists selected Harvard as the fount from which leftist ideology filtered through to other educational institutions. Later the communists borrowed from the socialists the formula of incubating revolutions through universities.(1) Among those who pioneered Fabianism in America (shortly after the formation of the Fabian Society in England in 1883) were James Harvey Robinson (Harvard, 1887), Oswald Garrison Villard (H’93), W.E.B. DuBois (H’90) and Harry Frederick Ward (H’98).

Professor Taussig and others at Harvard, allowed the Fabians to operate freely with the best of intentions. Their cloak of “respectability” permitted Fabian socialists to carry on under “harmless” colors. Fabians at Harvard and other universities were considered not as conspirators but as individuals with whom one could have amiable disagreements.

With the aid of Taussig and other economists of the American Economic Association, Webb’s essay on Socialism in England was circulated in 1889 throughout the academic world.(2) This essay was based on Fabian Essays in Socialism (1889), which formed the basic platform for the growth of extremism in England.(3) The American essay explained to its American readers that in England “Socialist lectures have lately been given in several colleges by permission of the authorities, this part of the propaganda being chiefly performed by the Fabian Society, which has a standing ‘Universities Committee.’ ”

British Fabian leaders Sidney Webb and Edward R. Pease came to the United States in 1888 for a long visit to train Fabian groups in the art of socialism. Webb solidified his connection with the American Economic Association whose editorial address was at Harvard University.

Bela Hubbard in Political and Economic Structures states; “By the close of the nineteenth century they (Fabians –ed.) had made converts in the United States. Under Fabian influence and guidance, the Intercollegiate Socialist Society was founded in New York City, in 1905.”(4) During this same period the Rand School of Social Science was formed by Fabian Socialists and became the New York headquarters of the Intercollegiate Socialist Society.

The pattern of operation in the I.S.S. was the same as that pursued by Fabians in England. During the first two years (1905-1907) its activity was mainly that of distributing literature and giving lectures in the universities. By January 1908, the first professional paid organizer went into action. His task was to consolidate in organizational form the results of the previous propaganda. A chapter of the Intercollegiate Socialist Society was formed in Harvard. Other chapters quickly followed in Princeton, Columbia, Barnard, New York University and University of Pennsylvania. All these chapters were organized in the first four months of 1908 at a cost of only 521 dollars.(5)

By 1914 the Harvard chapter of the I.S.S. had over 60 members. John Spargo, socialist leader, addressed as many as 250 students at Harvard in a single meeting of the Intercollegiate Socialist Society.(6)

Active in the I.S.S. were Walter Lippmann, Felix Frankfurter, Roger Baldwin, Harry F. Ward and Stuart Chase. The following I.S.S. supporters among many others became leaders in the communist apparatus: Ella Reeves Bloor, Louis Budenz, Jay Lovestone, Alexander Tratchenberg, W.E.B. DuBois and Robert W. Dunn.(7)

In the recent book Walter Lippmann and His Times, Carl A. Binger, the well known psychiatrist and the leader of mental health movements, states:

The Fabian movement captured our imagination, and Graham Wallas. Wallas, then at the London School of Economics, was all the more valued as a visiting lecturer at Harvard for having been part of it. Wallas dedicated his book The Great Society to Lippmann, and since this book was published in 1914, four years after the discussion course in government that Wallas conducted and in which Walter took part, one can see what an impression this young student must have made on his teacher. But by that time (1913) Lippmann had already written his Preface to Politics.

The Webbs—Sidney and Beatrice—also influenced Walter by their careful, tough-minded documentation of social ills and their dedication to betterment and welfare.(8)

By 1916 I.S.S. organizers lectured on socialism to over 30,000 students throughout the country. “They addressed some 89 economic and other classes and spoke before over a score of entire college bodies.”(9)

In the Socialist Review (formerly the Intercollegiate Socialist) the official organ of the I.S.S., the following political position was published for all members to note:

Menaced by foreign military forces, the work of social and economic regeneration is now endangered. The Russian revolution is the heritage of the world. It must not be defeated by foreign militarism. It must be permitted to develop unhampered. It must live, so that Russia may be truly free and, through its freedom, blaze the way for industrial democracy throughout the world. (1919)(10)

Walter Lippmann and Felix Frankfurter managed to attach themselves as special assistants to the Secretary of War in 1917. While there, Lippmann and Frankfurter became closely associated with the then Assistant Secretary of the Navy, Franklin D. Roosevelt.(11) F.D.R. later rewarded this friendship by appointing Frankfurter to the Supreme Court and American Fabians capitalized on this connection by grabbing hundreds of jobs in key Government positions.

Lippmann and Frankfurter, as socialists used their influence to aid left-wing conscientious objectors during World War I. The “objectors” were extremists who refused to support “any war under the capitalist system.” In the New York State Joint Legislative Inquiry in 1920 the following Frankfurter-Lippmann collaboration was disclosed:

Considerable correspondence passed to and from Frederick Keppel, of the War Department, to Roger Baldwin and Norman Thomas of the Civil Liberties Bureau, indicating the efforts of that organization to influence the War Department with respect to its treatment of conscientious objectors. A letter from Baldwin to Manley Hudson contains the following:

“Lippmann and Frankfurter are of course out of that particular job now, (war office) and I have to depend entirely upon Keppel.”(12)

Roger Baldwin (Harvard 1905) during this same period outlined a Fabian device of capturing power by stealth and deception.(13) In an advisory letter to a socialist agitator he wrote in part:

Do steer away from making it look like a Socialist enterprise . . . We want also to look patriots in everything we do. We want to get a good lot of flags, talk a good deal about the Constitution and what our forefathers wanted to make of this country, and to show that we are really the folks that really stand for the spirit of our institutions.(14)

Late in World War I Lippmann “became one of a group working on the background material on which Wilson was to base his Fourteen Points.”(15) Unfortunately, one of these Points was largely responsible for the dissecting and break-up of Europe into mutually antagonistic political and economic segments. American Fabians (Lippmann & Co.) and British Fabians (Keynes & Co.) played a considerable role in promoting this policy, thereby laying the basis for the rise of Adolph Hitler. Lippmann personally prepared a brief of thirteen of the Fourteen Points in order to sell them to the Prime Minister Lloyd George. These “came to be accepted as the official American interpretation of the Fourteen Points.”(16)

John Maynard Keynes, in the meantime, sat at Lloyd George’s elbow trying to steer him in a Fabian direction. Lippmann quit the Versailles Treaty proceedings after vainly trying to convince President Wilson not to oppose the Bolshevik Revolution.(17) Keynes taking the identical position also walked out on Lloyd George during this same period.

After World War I the Intercollegiate Socialist Society changed its name to The League for Industrial Democracy (L.I.D.). The parent Fabian Society in England had always urged that the word “socialist” be pushed into the background. Socialistic policies were considered more important than the mere name “socialism” itself. The League for Industrial Democracy openly boasted:

What the Fabian Society and Guild Socialist League have done in England, what Clarte is doing on the Continent—this, making due allowance for American conditions and American needs, the L.I.D. seeks to accomplish in the United States.(18)

Among the more prominent activists of the L.I.D. were such leftist luminaries as Stuart Chase, George Soule, Norman Thomas, Alvin Johnson, Felix Frankfurter, Harry A. Overstreet, Thorstein Veblen and Scott Nearing. The L.I.D. produced a host of pro-Soviet followers. Such notorious Sovieteers as Corliss Lamont (Harvard 1924), Frederick Vanderbilt Field (H’27) and Owen Lattimore (H’31), were active in the L.I.D.

In England a parallel development went on in the parent Fabian Society. Violent advocates of pro-Bolshevik ideas such as Harold J. Laski (Harvard 1916) and John Strachey reflected a development known as the New Fabianism.

Leading American Fabians activized several organizations as instruments to put over left-wing ideas. One of the more important of these is the New School for Social Research.(19) Another such group was the Bureau of Industrial Research.(20)

The New School for Social Research, which operates as an accredited educational institution, has been sold to the general public as an independent and politically neutral institution. Actually the New School was cited as: “established by men who belong to the ranks of near-Bolshevik Intelligentsia, some of them being too radical in their views to remain on the faculty of Columbia University.”(21) When the above characterization was made by the New York State Legislative Committee (1920), the New School Fabian socialist nature was not too well defined but its extremism was recognizable even then. The list of its faculty, lecturers and directors from its origin in 1919 to the present day, reads like a Who’s Who of the socialist and communist movement. Keynes had also lectured there.(22)

The parent movement connecting the various Fabian “fronts” in America to this day is the League for Industrial Democracy. An examination of the background of those associated with this Fabian network indicates that they were the nucleus of the “Brain Trust” of the Washington bureaucracy. They have been the fountainhead of big government and big spending philosophies.

Alvin Hansen, Seymour E. Harris and J. Kenneth Galbraith (all professors of the Harvard Economics Department) and others of their ilk have not only served as administrators of huge Federal Bureaus but have planted a swarm of their followers in government bureaucracies.(23) Hansen and Harris have both been associated actively with the socialistic League for Industrial Democracy. Seymour Harris is a “big-wig” in the Americans for Democratic Action (ADA). Galbraith has long been known as an extremist and has recently graduated as a favorite of the Kremlin. An official Soviet magazine the New Times (published by TRUD in Moscow in nine languages) features an article by Galbraith advocating greater spending by the United States and agreeing with Khrushchev that this country should disarm.(24)

Hansen, Harris and Galbraith, besides being Fabian type socialists, are considered the leaders of American Keynesism. The pattern is the same although the names and labels keep shifting. Fabian socialism uses Keynesism as a political weapon. The Kremlin followers use the Fabian organizations as a cover for their operations. Keynesism is used to snare the unwary and bring them by degrees into a socialistic turn of mind. The communists then work hard to propel such socialistic converts further along the road to Soviet socialism.

It is a confusing, constantly shifting and horribly intricate process. The left-wing political underworld uses Fabian socialism with its “respectable covers” as a backdrop and sanctuary. The constant movement in and out of the whole Fabian melange cannot be understood unless the Fabian process and Fabian motives are dissected and shown up in their true nature. Without understanding the political climate and function of the Fabian socialist camp a true evaluation of the communist conspiracy is not possible. Fabian socialism and communism embrace each other, feed on each other and sometimes engage in a family fight. The communists inevitably get the better of the bargain.

The Kremlin has found that it needs a socialistic environment in which it can hide and nurture its forces. Operating in a tangled forest of socialistic organizations the communists find that they can venture forth to attack society and then run back to shelter whenever the going gets too tough. An evaluation of the left-wing needs an understanding of Fabianism on the one hand—no matter what its labels—and an understanding of Communism on the other—also despite its camouflage.

Today Fabians use the teachings of John Maynard Keynes as their catechism of political economy. The American Fabians have slavishly installed Keynesism as the new faith, both in the Universities and in Government bureaucracy.(25) To lay bare and dissect these premeditated deceptions is the true task of the political science of our day.

1 Some universities which were the early objects of Fabian infiltration were Pennsylvania, Chicago and Wisconsin. Also chosen for concentration were Yale, Columbia and Princeton.

http://www.keynesatharvard.org/book/KeynesatHarvard-ch03.html


Indeed, trolls love to deflect, disrupt, propagate, and misinform. They use ridicule and character assassination in their attempts at demonizing the opposition. Quagga, you are a classic Fabian troll, or a 48 year old narcissistic cyber stalker. Probably both.

**Note that the Fabian society began in England. Isn't tucky always railing that America needs to radically change it's government type and constitution to resemble England's socialist style governance?

[HawgZWylde]

And speaking of Harvard and Columbia universities, you know the one's COTUS Obozo supposedly attended, listen to what this former Columbia university political science professor had to say about him;

Professor From Columbia Comes Forward Saying Obama Never Attended the University

My life has crossed paths with President Obama on multiple occasions. According to Obama, we were Columbia University classmates, both Pre Law and Political Science majors in the Class of ’83. I also ran against Obama in 2008 on the Libertarian Party Presidential ticket. What are the odds?



But something about “the Obama at Columbia story” has always bothered me. Earlier in the week right here at The Blaze I wrote about having just returned from New York, where I attended my 30th Columbia University reunion. I celebrated with my esteemed classmates. Everyone except Barack Obama. As usual- he wasn’t there. Not a trace. Not a video greeting. Not a letter. I could not find any classmates who knew him.



I called Obama “the Ghost of Columbia University.” I pointed out (as I’ve said in the media for many years now) that Obama may have been registered at Columbia, may have graduated from Columbia, but he was rarely (if ever) seen for the two years in-between. It’s a strange, mysterious and frightening story.



Is he the real-life “Manchurian Candidate?” What explains Obama having just enough skeletal proof that he was there (one photo, one roommate, one professor, one friend)…but never seen in a class, never on anyone’s radar screen, almost invisible. A total 2-year blackout. It’s like a story straight out of a novel about the CIA or KGB. He graduated Columbia, but it’s almost as if he never went there.



To make matters more mysterious, Obama’s college records are sealed. He’s had plenty of opportunities to authorize the release, to clear the air. He has never chosen to do so. But why? What has he got to hide? Funny enough Obama has never had a problem ripping open the sealed records of his political opponents. Every step of his career Obama has beaten his opponents by having sealed documents just happen to be publicly exposed by anonymous sources. But not Obama. His records are always unavailable (and never leaked). Obama always seems to have powerful forces on his side.



Did he attend Columbia as a foreign student? That was the educated guess I made in my appearance on “Hannity” on Fox News a year ago. The only photo of Obama from his Columbia days was in his off-campus apartment with a roommate described by USA Today as a Pakistani national, pot smoker, and cocaine abuser. If you’re a foreign student, you live in housing off-campus with other foreign students.



That would also explain how he transferred to Columbia. Transferring into an Ivy League school is all but impossible. I did a little digging and found out only 3 transfer students in all of America were accepted into Columbia in the past academic year. Three students out of 315 million Americans. Yet those who knew Obama at Occidental called him a pot smoker and partier who rarely attended class. You’re telling me that a poor student, with that record, at an average college, was accepted for transfer into prestigious Columbia University? Only if he was an exotic Indonesian foreign student transferring into a college that desperately wanted to claim an ethnically and globally diverse student body.



Still that might explain how Obama got into Columbia. But where was he for those two years? My gut instincts say something is wrong with “the Obama at Columbia story.” Very wrong. Rancid.



But until now, I was the only one publicly voicing my suspicions. That just changed in a big way. Meet Professor Henry Graff, perhaps the most legendary and honored professor ever at Columbia University. He was THE American History and Diplomatic History professor at Columbia for 46 years. And he is more emphatic than yours truly that there are no Obama footprints at Columbia.



I was put on Professor Graff’s trail by another Columbia classmate, skeptical about Obama’s story. He told me that Professor Graff had been the speaker for the Class of ’53 last weekend at Columbia. My friend was watching Graff answer questions from the crowd when he was asked about Obama at Columbia. Graff said, “I have my doubts he ever went here.”



I did some digging and located Graff’s home phone number. I called him yesterday. Now retired, he was delighted to hear from me. He agreed to go on the record about Obama. Unlike Obama, Professor Graff clearly remembered me. He was thrilled to hear from his former student. I was in several of Graff’s classes and he remembered me like it was yesterday. He sounded great- like he hasn’t lost any of his trademark sharpness in 30 years since we last met.



I was honored to learn that this legendary historian has been following my political career for many years. But he had no such cheery things to say about the President. Graff said, “I taught at Columbia for 46 years. I taught every significant American politician that ever studied at Columbia. I know them all. I’m proud of them all. Between American History and Diplomatic History, one way or another, they all had to come through my classes. Not Obama. I never had a student with that name in any of my classes. I never met him, never saw him, never heard of him.”



Even more importantly, Professor Graff knew the other history and political science professors. “None of the other Columbia professors knew him either” said Graff.



Graff concluded our interview by saying, “I’m very upset by the whole story. I am angry when I hear Obama called ‘the first President of the United States from Columbia University.’ I don’t consider him a Columbia student. I have no idea what he did on the Columbia campus. No one knows him.”



There is something wrong with Obama’s story- I know that. Many of my classmates at last weekend’s 30th reunion knew that. Now the most beloved Professor ever at Columbia joins us in publicly questioning the story. Obama is either the ghost of Columbia, or the perfect Manchurian candidate. But something smells rotten at Columbia.

http://freepatriot.org/2013/06/08/professor-from-columbia-comes-forward-saying-obama-never-attended-the-university/

[Lady Quagga]

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For God's sake Hawggy, spare us your Fabian love fantasies.

Edit: And while you are at it, you might want to do a little research before citing online "Fabian" resources run by racial separatists. Or copy/pasting idiotic claims regarding Obama's matriculation at Columbia - which have been discredited for quite some time now.

[HawgZWylde]

For God's sake Hawggy, spare us your Fabian love fantasies.

Edit: And while you are at it, you might want to do a little research before citing online "Fabian" resources run by racial separatists. Or copy/pasting idiotic claims regarding Obama's matriculation at Columbia - which have been discredited for quite some time now.

Oh please, spare us from your sexual fantasies Goldilocks, aren't you getting a little old for that? Or perhaps you are a cougar?

Lol, race baiting is so old school now. What's the matter, practicing up for Her Hilariousness's run so you can start crying sexism?

EDIT: Discredited? Did he finally remove his executive order sealing his college records? Or is it just a bunch of leftist nutjobs that "say so"...

[Lady Quagga]

Oh please, spare us from your sexual fantasies Goldilocks, aren't you getting a little old for that? Or perhaps you are a cougar?

Lol, race baiting is so old school now. What's the matter, practicing up for Her Hilariousness's run so you can start crying sexism?

EDIT: Discredited? Did he finally remove his executive order sealing his college records? Or is it just a bunch of leftist nutjobs that "say so"...

Your http://s23.postimg.org/8l1ly29h7/Fab11.jpg obsession is quite amusing actually. I know you picked up the term in much the same way you did "Alinsky" - you're simply regurgitating the same old emesis you lapped up elsewhere. In essence, all you're doing is Fap-Fap-Fapping to Fabian.

Race baiting? Sorry numbnuts, but you cited a website run by a racial separatist. Deal with it. Honestly, you should have no problem embracing it, given your past bigoted remarks.

Yes, discredited. That Obama chooses not to unseal his college records changes nothing - repeating the Columbia claims makes you look just as idiotic as those who originated them.

[HawgZWylde]

Your http://s23.postimg.org/8l1ly29h7/Fab11.jpg obsession is quite amusing actually. I know you picked up the term in much the same way you did "Alinsky" - you're simply regurgitating the same old emesis you lapped up elsewhere. In essence, all you're doing is Fap-Fap-Fapping to Fabian.

Race baiting? Sorry numbnuts, but you cited a website run by a racial separatist. Deal with it. Honestly, you should have no problem embracing it, given your past bigoted remarks.

Yes, discredited. That Obama chooses not to unseal his college records changes nothing - repeating the Columbia claims makes you look just as idiotic as those who originated them.

Rhetoric much troll? Racial separatist according to who? A communist like you?

Who is Zygmund Dobbs?

Zygmund Dobbs was one of the great Old Right Conservative activists of the 20th Century. Raised in a communist household, and an active Trotskyite in his early years, he would become a fierce and articulate opponent of communism. Even more importantly, his research led the way in exposing a greater threat—the slow, incremental march of Fabian socialism.

Mr. Dobbs founded Local 205 of the United Automobile Workers Union of America and was later ousted from the Union (and the CIO) after addressing a congressional committee on the efforts of communists to infiltrate labor unions.

He worked in both Army and Navy intelligence, was a consultant to the F.B.I. on subversive activities and also a frequent consultant to the House Committee on Un-American Activities. He served as Special Investigator of Soviet subversion for the State of New York.

In 1948, Mr. Dobbs became acquainted with Archibald B. Roosevelt (the youngest son of President Theodore Roosevelt) when both were supporting Robert A. Taft’s presidential campaign. Along with several other conservatives, they formed The Alliance, Inc. as an organization dedicated to researching and documenting subversive activities across the social and political spectrum. Mr. Dobbs served as Research Director of the group, publishing pamphlets such as Conquest Via Immigration, Manual for American Action (by Mr. Roosevelt) and Manning Johnson’s Color, Communism and Common Sense.

Late in the 1950s, the Alliance was replaced by the Veritas Foundation, with assistance from conservative Harvard alumni. Mr. Dobbs continued as Research Director, and it was under the Veritas mantle that he published two landmark works that have only increased in relevance since their release. These were Keynes At Harvard: Economic Deception as a Political Credo and The Great Deceit: Social Pseudo-Sciences.

Mr. Dobbs’s personal library contained an extensive collection of rare materials on Bolshevism and socialism, and was used by the F.B.I. for research. (The F.B.I.’s bibliography of works borrowed from Mr. Dobbs, prepared in 1949, runs into 67 pages.) The library is now housed at the Ludwig von Mises Institute.

Among the honors Mr. Dobbs received for his work were the Liberty Award from the Congress of Freedom in 1959 and an Award of Merit from the American Academy of Public Affairs in 1965. His son Frank Dobbs provides a recent bio on History News Network.

And you're right, it changes nothing and proves he is hiding something. Again you offer no proof, only rhetoric...

[Lady Quagga]

Rhetoric much troll?

This from the resident conservative sycophant. Always the hypocrite.


Racial separatist according to who? A communist like you?

Do your research numbnuts. I did. (And incidentally, I wasn't referring to Dobbs - but you knew that, riiiiiiight?)

Communist? Nope - but if it makes you feel any better, you go right on believing that. Ignorance is the salve for butthurt conservatives like you.

[HawgZWylde]

This from the resident conservative sycophant. Always the hypocrite.



Do your research numbnuts. I did. (And incidentally, I wasn't referring to Dobbs - but you knew that, riiiiiiight?)

Communist? Nope - but if it makes you feel any better, you go right on believing that. Ignorance is the salve for butthurt conservatives like you.

So then you must be referring to Libertarian Matt Liponoga? And you would be calling him a separatist why? Hey, the logical conclusion to socialism is communism because socialists always run out of other peoples money, and the next step is communism. But you know that right Goldilocks. And no Darlin, it's you who has that hypocrisy thing down to a "T". And your Alinsky truly sucks.

The only ignorant ones I see here are those who still believe socialism will succeed in America, like you and your "global citizen" buddies. And yes Goldilocks, I'm proud to be an American constitutional conservative. And I absolutely love the fact that it gets your socialist panties in a wad...

[DockRat]

You might want to do a little research before chiting online.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Uvl9Mstj4A#t=328

[Lady Quagga]

So then you must be referring to Libertarian Matt Liponoga? And you would be calling him a separatist why?

Nope.


Hey, the logical conclusion to socialism is communism because socialists always run out of other peoples money, and the next step is communism. But you know that right Goldilocks. And no Darlin, it's you who has that hypocrisy thing down to a "T". And your Alinsky truly sucks.

Ah yes, the "no I'm not, you are" defense. Sorry numbnuts, but when it comes to my political opinions you won't find any examples of hypocrisy in any post I've made on this message board. I defy you to prove otherwise.


The only ignorant ones I see here are those who still believe socialism will succeed in America, like you and your "global citizen" buddies. And yes Goldilocks, I'm proud to be an American constitutional conservative. And I absolutely love the fact that it gets your socialist panties in a wad...

Sorry numbnuts, but I am not a Socialist. On some issues I identify with liberals, on others I identify with conservatives. But I don't toe any party or political line. This isn't the first time I've made that distinction, but it appears you've forgotten or are conveniently ignoring that fact - I dunno, perhaps it's because of your paint chip intake.

And we've talked about your "constitutional conservatism" before, haven't we? Oh that's right - you've dodged that one repeatedly as well, in spite of your political hubris.

[DockRat]

Hawgs I think your starting a trend , my retardican buddy is now claiming to be a independent like you. Or maybe it's just because the conservatives are so damn stupid .. Probably the second reason.
Hey Addict, major props for having the balls to admit your a sheep.
Keep drinking that Koolade boy.

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Kyle Becker | On 18, Feb 2014
It was supposed to be the era of Hope and Change.

A post-racial president transcending the red state, blue state politics of those dark, nasty Bush years of 5% unemployment or less and sub-trillion dollar deficits – nirvana for the smart-set smug that one of their own, a loquacious Harvard-educated representative of the elite class sans that annoying Texas drawl, and a professional agitator to boot had strode aloft the marble steps of 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.

The One for whom all of America had been waiting for, the fundamental transformer of the world’s most piteous economy, had finally ascended to the Oval Office, the precipice of power from which the dictates of progressive conventional wisdom would rain down upon us like so much manna from on high.
From the One’s circuitous office bestriding the concentric rings of Washington District of Columbia, the affairs of hundreds of millions of men would align within the Orbit of Obama. Like planetary dust falling upon the gravitational path of this giant among men, the lives of mankind were to become but a beauteous adornment for this American Saturn, this towering transformational figure reminiscent of the Roman god of abundance and renewal.
Never mind all that. An overwhelming majority wish the president had never been re-elected.

From an Economist/YouGov poll via the Examiner:


Quote
Over seven in 10 Obama voters, and 55 percent of Democrats, regret voting for President Obama’s reelection in 2012, according to a new Economist/YouGov.com poll. [...]

The poll asked those who voted for Obama’s reelection a simple question: “Do you regret voting for Barack Obama?”

— Overall, 71 percent said yes, 26 percent no.

— 55 percent of Democrats said yes, as did 71 percent of independents.

Obama supporters said they would stick with their guy over Mitt Romney, 79 percent to 10 percent. Since Mitt Romney was the “moderate’s moderate,” it might be time for the GOP to consider giving voters a starker choice.

The progressive status quo that has been ongoing for a century is clearly not working, and as hard as it may be for Washington beltway types to believe, a lot of people don’t want less of big government, they don’t want big government at all.

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[etucker1959]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Uvl9Mstj4A#t=328

DockRat, that is the best GFI you ever posted!!!! I not only could of wrote that script, I LIVE IT!!!!!

[etucker1959]

Hey Addict, major props for having the balls to admit your a sheep.
Keep drinking that Koolade boy.

http://i682.photobucket.com/albums/vv188/karisanchez/koolade.jpg (http://media.photobucket.com/user/karisanchez/media/koolade.jpg.html)
Kyle Becker | On 18, Feb 2014
It was supposed to be the era of Hope and Change.

A post-racial president transcending the red state, blue state politics of those dark, nasty Bush years of 5% unemployment or less and sub-trillion dollar deficits – nirvana for the smart-set smug that one of their own, a loquacious Harvard-educated representative of the elite class sans that annoying Texas drawl, and a professional agitator to boot had strode aloft the marble steps of 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.

The One for whom all of America had been waiting for, the fundamental transformer of the world’s most piteous economy, had finally ascended to the Oval Office, the precipice of power from which the dictates of progressive conventional wisdom would rain down upon us like so much manna from on high.
From the One’s circuitous office bestriding the concentric rings of Washington District of Columbia, the affairs of hundreds of millions of men would align within the Orbit of Obama. Like planetary dust falling upon the gravitational path of this giant among men, the lives of mankind were to become but a beauteous adornment for this American Saturn, this towering transformational figure reminiscent of the Roman god of abundance and renewal.
Never mind all that. An overwhelming majority wish the president had never been re-elected.

From an Economist/YouGov poll via the Examiner:


Quote
Over seven in 10 Obama voters, and 55 percent of Democrats, regret voting for President Obama’s reelection in 2012, according to a new Economist/YouGov.com poll. [...]

The poll asked those who voted for Obama’s reelection a simple question: “Do you regret voting for Barack Obama?”

— Overall, 71 percent said yes, 26 percent no.

— 55 percent of Democrats said yes, as did 71 percent of independents.

Obama supporters said they would stick with their guy over Mitt Romney, 79 percent to 10 percent. Since Mitt Romney was the “moderate’s moderate,” it might be time for the GOP to consider giving voters a starker choice.

The progressive status quo that has been ongoing for a century is clearly not working, and as hard as it may be for Washington beltway types to believe, a lot of people don’t want less of big government, they don’t want big government at all.

http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t236/lera23k/23543_1255116134280_1120860128_3066.jpg (http://media.photobucket.com/user/lera23k/media/23543_1255116134280_1120860128_3066.jpg.html)

You know what the real problem is, it's not who's in the White House. It's an over populated United States coupled with outsourcing, importing and increased productivity. Till you tackle those problems first, EVERY president is going to have Obama type numbers next to their name. So far both parties seemed to be blind to this fact. Here at FNN, my rants are so far over peoples comprehension level, I was called a COMMIE last week!!!!! lol No!!!!!!! I am not a Commie, I'm just a little more self aware at this time in history.

[HawgZWylde]

Nope

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Ah yes, the "no I'm not, you are" defense. Sorry numbnuts, but you won't find any examples of hypocrisy in any post I've made on this message board. I defy you to prove otherwise.

Lol, that's all you do Goldilocks. Why bother, you don't. You make the accusations, you prove it.

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Sorry numbnuts, but I am not a Socialist. On some issues I identify with liberals, on others I identify with conservatives. But I don't toe any party or political line. This isn't the first time I've made that distinction, but it appears you've forgotten or are conveniently ignoring that fact - I dunno, perhaps it's because of your paint chip intake.

Of course you are. Everyone knows the goal of Socialists is to keep the opposition divided. You ONLY attack those to the right of the Socialists. Did you vote for it before you were against it? Or did you vote against it before you were for it? Hey, at least I'm consistent, you're content with that 4x4 post up your posterior. No wonder your so angry all the time, that's gotta hurt. Your actions here speak louder than your words.

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And we've talked about your "constitutional conservatism" before, haven't we? Oh that's right - you've dodged that one repeatedly as well, in spite of your political hubris.

Yes, I've said many times that I am a constitutional conservative and I asked you to define the difference between a "conservative" and a "constitutional conservative" and you deflected, not me. Again, just more of your spin.

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Must suck to be a narcissistic troll like you Goldilocks...

[etucker1959]

It's not a matter of being embarrassed. It's all about the republican leadership and certain members of the party losing their "republicanism". I'll gladly vote for any independent who has a desire to rid our government of the parasitic Fabians who now infest it...

You bring up several interesting points. You would vote for an independent candidate who has the desire to rid our government of parasitic Fabians. You also you feel the Republican party because of certain members have lost their Republicanism. For those who don't know the Republican party is made up of 4 wings or streets as some people would call them. Wall Street, Main Street, Tea party and Libertarian. With that being said, "I'm sure we could tell which wings you disagree with and which wings you favor." So why not take the wing you most favor, "Tea Party" and make them an Independent party!!!! See the logic in this.

[HawgZWylde]

You bring up several interesting points. You would vote for an independent candidate who has the desire to rid our government of parasitic Fabians. You also you feel the Republican party because of certain members have lost their Republicanism. For those who don't know the Republican party is made up of 4 wings or streets as some people would call them. Wall Street, Main Street, Tea party and Libertarian. With that being said, "I'm sure we could tell which wings you disagree with and which wings you favor." So why not take the wing you most favor, "Tea Party" and make them an Independent party!!!! See the logic in this.

Dude, you are so full of bee ess. You have no clue what you are talking about. Better look a little closer at who Wall Street is in bed with...

[Lady Quagga]

http://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n154/Mewmew12/tumblr/happyskipping.gif

Oh, how cute. You posted the link, numbnuts. How about you follow it and research your own sources. Though I know it might be a little hard given your paint chip intake.


Lol, that's all you do Goldilocks. Why bother, you don't. You make the accusations, you prove it.

Oh, there's no need to go back through your posting history - I've demonstrated your hypocrisy in this very thread. You however can't provide a single example.


Of course you are.

No, I am not a Socialist. Though if I was, I'd really have no problem admitting to it. My views span the political spectrum - liberal in some cases, conservative in others.


Yes, I've said many times that I am a constitutional conservative and I asked you to define the difference between a "conservative" and a "constitutional conservative" and you deflected, not me. Again, just more of your spin.

Um, no. I have addressed this in previous postings. However, there is an excellent article (http://www.economist.com/blogs/democracyinamerica/2011/06/michele-bachmann) which sums up your nonsense in one paragraph:


Anyway, if one bothers to really think about it, constitutional conservativism, as construed by Ms Bachmann and her boosters, might be better labeled "constitutional restorationism", which I think more clearly conveys the idea of a return to the system of government laid out in the constitution, intepreted as the authors intended. But this idea, if taken really seriously, is staggeringly radical.

And as I've pointed out, it is our very Constitution which has allowed the federal government to exist as it now does.


Must suck to be a narcissistic troll like you Goldilocks...

Must suck to have to use other people's words and phrases to convey your own thoughts - once again, the ol' Hawggy "I'm not, you are" tactic.

[etucker1959]

Dude, you are so full of bee ess. You have no clue what you are talking about. Better look a little closer at who Wall Street is in bed with...

I think I'm on to something here. Explain to me why the tea party shouldn't be an independent party. Karl Rove who is a old time established Republican kind of guy. Claims the tea party invaded his party and he wants them out!!!!!!! You won't even claim to be Republican anymore, so why not set up your own party instead of high jacking someone else's????????

[cutbait]

OK, I've dodged this thread long enough. I peaked and now my curiosity is on high....

Did I miss something? Goldilocks? And no dispute?

Has the Quaggz been spotted with flowing curls of fair hair? Please say its so!


Blondes are my favorite

[Lady Quagga]

OK, I've dodged this thread long enough. I peaked and now my curiosity is on high....

Did I miss something? Goldilocks? And no dispute?

Has the Quaggz been spotted with flowing curls of fair hair? Please say its so!


Blondes are my favorite

Whatever does it for ya, sweetheart! :Wink:

[HawgZWylde]

I think I'm on to something here. Explain to me why the tea party shouldn't be an independent party. Karl Rove who is a old time established Republican kind of guy. Claims the tea party invaded his party and he wants them out!!!!!!! You won't even claim to be Republican anymore, so why not set up your own party instead of high jacking someone else's????????

Lol, geez tucky. Look at it this way, how about we pass a law and every party has to register and all who register to that party has to vote for that parties candidate. So with that being said, let's start with the demorat party shall we. First, there's the leftist unionists, then there's the numerous socialist groups, the various communist groups, the eco-nazi and commie groups, the Greens, the liberals, the Blue bloods, the rare conservative dems, the moderates, the progressives, yada, yada, all have to register separately and only vote for their party. Get it yet tucky? See the cluster ef that would ensue? Probably not. Karl Rove is on the right side of the progressive coin, he's a RINO. It is the progressive RINO's that have injected themselves into the republican party. Progressive RINO's do not represent true republicanism, they know it, and so do you lefties hence your clumsy attempts at keeping the republican party divided. Fail...

[Stormcrow]

Quagga=Herpes....

Once it infects the thread, you can't seem to get rid of it...It's irritating, painful, embarrassing and it feels like crap.

Such striking similarities between the two. LOL

[HawgZWylde]

Oh, how cute. You posted the link, numbnuts. How about you follow it and research your own sources. Though I know it might be a little hard given your paint chip intake.



Oh, there's no need to go back through your posting history - I've demonstrated your hypocrisy in this very thread. You however can't provide a single example.



No, I am not a Socialist. Though if I was, I'd really have no problem admitting to it. My views span the political spectrum - liberal in some cases, conservative in others.



Um, no. I have addressed this in previous postings. However, there is an excellent article (http://www.economist.com/blogs/democracyinamerica/2011/06/michele-bachmann) which sums up your nonsense in one paragraph:



And as I've pointed out, it is our very Constitution which has allowed the federal government to exist as it now does.



Must suck to have to use other people's words and phrases to convey your own thoughts - once again, the ol' Hawggy "I'm not, you are" tactic.

Lol, off topic, deflection, rhetoric, ridicule, character assassination, diversion, it's all there. You are a troll, period. I post a message, you attack the messenger, period. Again, your Alinsky sucks, I truly hope you're not going to be an attorney. I think a community organizer might be best...

[HawgZWylde]

Quagga=Herpes....

Once it infects the thread, you can't seem to get rid of it...It's irritating, painful, embarrassing and it feels like crap.

Such striking similarities between the two. LOL


Lol, ain't that the truth...

**But we are working towards the cure...

[Lady Quagga]

Quagga=Herpes....

Once it infects the thread, you can't seem to get rid of it...It's irritating, painful, embarrassing and it feels like crap.

Such striking similarities between the two. LOL

If I want any sh*t from you, I'll squeeze your head.


Lol, off topic, deflection, rhetoric, ridicule, character assassination, diversion, it's all there. You are a troll, period. I post a message, you attack the messenger, period. Again, your Alinsky sucks, I truly hope you're not going to be an attorney. I think a community organizer might be best...

Your hypocrisy is really quite amusing. Almost as amusing as your ignorance and incapability of coming up with an original thought of your own.

[HawgZWylde]

If I want any sh*t from you, I'll squeeze your head.



Your hypocrisy is really quite amusing. Almost as amusing as your ignorance and incapability of coming up with an original thought of your own.


:ROFL::ROFL::Explode::ROFL::ROFL:

:BabbleFish::BabbleFish:Keep babbling Goldilocks:BabbleFish::BabbleFish:

I rest my case...

[Lady Quagga]

Keep babbling GoldilocksKeep demonstrating your stupidity, numbnuts, and I'll be more than happy to expose it for what it is.

You really do make it effortless.

[etucker1959]

Lol, geez tucky. Look at it this way, how about we pass a law and every party has to register and all who register to that party has to vote for that parties candidate. So with that being said, let's start with the demorat party shall we. First, there's the leftist unionists, then there's the numerous socialist groups, the various communist groups, the eco-nazi and commie groups, the Greens, the liberals, the Blue bloods, the rare conservative dems, the moderates, the progressives, yada, yada, all have to register separately and only vote for their party. Get it yet tucky? See the cluster ef that would ensue? Probably not. Karl Rove is on the right side of the progressive coin, he's a RINO. It is the progressive RINO's that have injected themselves into the republican party. Progressive RINO's do not represent true republicanism, they know it, and so do you lefties hence your clumsy attempts at keeping the republican party divided. Fail...

I just read the most interesting article today, about the Independent movement in politics here in the United States. The article confirms just what we were talking about here on FNN. People on the street when asked, which party are you most associated with would answer predominately Independent!!!! However, when it came time to actually vote they would almost always vote either Demorat or Republican. So that Independent label is very deceiving!!!! Further the article went on to say, twice as many voters who claimed to be Independents would always vote Republican rather then Demorat. So this really is predominately a Republican thing!!!! So the next time someone claims to be an Independent, just ask them who they voted for in the last election. In reality that's WHO they really are. If anyone wants to read the article, it's on Yahoo.com start page.

[DarkShadow]

I just read the most interesting article today, about the Independent movement in politics here in the United States. The article confirms just what we were talking about here on FNN. People on the street when asked, which party are you most associated with would answer predominately Independent!!!! However, when it came time to actually vote they would almost always vote either Demorat or Republican. So that Independent label is very deceiving!!!! Further the article went on to say, twice as many voters who claimed to be Independents would always vote Republican rather then Demorat. So this really is predominately a Republican thing!!!! So the next time someone claims to be an Independent, just ask them who they voted for in the last election. In reality that's WHO they really are. If anyone wants to read the article, it's on Yahoo.com start page.

Thanks, eTucker. I really wanted to see this thread go another ten pages.

You ever wonder why the only person that gets attacked like army ants on a poor grasshopper is you? :-\

[cutbait]

Whatever does it for ya, sweetheart! :Wink:

You know how the Bako Boys roll gorgeous.

BALD is preffered! But Blondie's float our boat as well

http://www.easyfreesmileys.com/smileys/free-sexy-smileys-946.gif (http://www.easyfreesmileys.com/skype-emoticons.html)

[Skyler]

I see it's business as usual around here...

Somebody rub my back.

[Lady Quagga]

I see it's business as usual around here...

Somebody rub my back.

Skylark, it's not business as usual until you mention the Bucket Brigade.

[etucker1959]

Thanks, eTucker. I really wanted to see this thread go another ten pages.

You ever wonder why the only person that gets attacked like army ants on a poor grasshopper is you? :-\

Maybe because I'm the one who has to tell the children that Santa Claus is not real!!!!!

[Skyler]

Skylark, it's not business as usual until you mention the Bucket Brigade.

Well, you just did. So business as per 'ushe' has been restored. So how about that back rub?

[Lady Quagga]

Well, you just did. So business as per 'ushe' has been restored. So how about that back rub?

Only if you talk to me about those watersheds in the SBNF.

[Skyler]

Sure, they are all trickles right now anyway. I'll tell you where to catch 18" browns if you throw in a happy ending...

[etucker1959]

Thanks, eTucker. I really wanted to see this thread go another ten pages.

You ever wonder why the only person that gets attacked like army ants on a poor grasshopper is you? :-\

I get the grasshopper treatment and I'm being a nice guy. Imagine if I was some kind of A hole, I could have these people turn into Chuck Norris in two seconds!!!!! lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol

[DEVOREFLYER]

Sure, they are all trickles right now anyway. I'll tell you where to catch 18" browns if you throw in a happy ending...

Hey I don't know about 18" but I have left some pretty large browns after eating the Manuel Special at El Tepeyac in Boyle Heights. Just sayin'.:Shocked:

[Skyler]

Hey I don't know about 18" but I have left some pretty large browns after eating the Manuel Special at El Tepeyac in Boyle Heights. Just sayin'.:Shocked:

Keep practicing. You'll be able to take 18" in no time. The key is lots of smelly jelly.

[DockRat]

Quagga=Herpes....

Once it infects the thread, you can't seem to get rid of it...It's irritating, painful, embarrassing and it feels like crap.

Such striking similarities between the two. LOL
:LOL::LOL::LOL::LOL::LOL::LOL::LOL::LOL::LOL::LOL: :LOL:

http://i1123.photobucket.com/albums/l558/Dewhinifier/demotivational-posters-herpes-1.jpg (http://media.photobucket.com/user/Dewhinifier/media/demotivational-posters-herpes-1.jpg.html)

Hey I don't know about 18" but I have left some pretty large browns after eating the Manuel Special at El Tepeyac in Boyle Heights. Just sayin'.:Shocked:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Uvl9Mstj4A

[flybynight]

Lady quagg is a drag !