Where are all the sandys and calicos this year? cudas? all MIA??

[drewski]

Any explanation for the lack of sandy and calico action this year here in SoCal? I know to start, the water was a bit too cold. But since the heat has picked up I thought things would make a turn for the better. Still no action. Not even with cudas. Heck, I'll even take mackeral for some top water action. Nothing! I'm talking 1/2 and 3/4 day trips out of LB/Newport, etc.

[Ifishtoolittle]

They're biting like mad in the bays.

[billystein]

i was just thinking the same thing. i doesnt seem so long ago that i was twilight fishing from san pedro to newport to the hunting flats for sandys. 100 limits was not uncommon. i remember sitting outside the harbor until 2:30 cleaning fish before we could enter the harbor.
someone told me that the humboldt squid wiped them out and they never recoverd. who knows?

[DockRat]

The Big Log Cudas already came through in the spring. The Sand Bass and Cudas are on the do not eat list from Santa Monica to Seal Beach so many people are not keeping them. Small 20" Cudas are in the harbors. The Calico population is strong but most are under the 14" size inshore. I saw a oldtimer land 2 @ 6" Calicos in 10 minutes yesterday at Redondo short pier yesterday on frozen anchovy chunks.

My Catalina trip a couple months ago (got food poisoning, headache, puking all day off a 7-11 sandwich, never been seasick) my buddies caught 40+ 14" to 20" Calicos on plastics and I landed about 6 in the am before I got sick and quite fishing, a couple dozen large Johnny Bass too.
DR

[Viejo]

i was just thinking the same thing. i doesnt seem so long ago that i was twilight fishing from san pedro to newport to the hunting flats for sandys. 100 limits was not uncommon. i remember sitting outside the harbor until 2:30 cleaning fish before we could enter the harbor.
someone told me that the humboldt squid wiped them out and they never recoverd. who knows?
Only fish the Salt in bays and surf...never been out on a commercial day boat. Is there any connection between 100 limits each day of the week and less then average numbers of fish being caught today? I know that the Abalone that we used to catch are now relics of the past and that was directly related to overfishing.

[DockRat]

someone told me that the humboldt squid wiped them out and they never recovered. who knows?
Some say that but many stomach sample reports show mostly baitfish.
Too many seals each eating 10 - 20 lbs of fish per day.
Seals eat bass and I have seen them tossing legal size halibut up in the air to rip off bite size chunks in the Port of LA.

Lack of big schools of Bonito and Mackerel thanks to Mexican and USA commercial fishermen netting tons and tons because our American Cats need to eat fish cat food.
Think about how many people in the USA feed there cats fish cat food.
I say Ban Cats !
DR


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[DockRat]

I know that the Abalone that we used to catch are now relics of the past and that was directly related to overfishing.

The So Cal Abalone population was wiped out in the 1980's by the withering foot disease.
Zero take law of Abalone south of San Fransisco for decades. They are making a slow comeback and you can see in the below video at 50 seconds.


Withering abalone syndrome
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Withering abalone syndrome is a disease of the abalone shellfish, primarily found in the black and red abalone species.

First described in 1986, it is caused by the bacterium "Candidatus Xenohaliotis californiensis", which attacks the lining of the abalone's digestive tract, inhibiting the production of digestive enzymes. To prevent starvation, the abalone consumes its own body mass, causing its characteristic muscular "foot" to wither and atrophy. This impairs the abalone's ability to adhere to rocks, making it far more vulnerable to predation. Withered abalone not eaten by predators typically starve.

For reasons not yet well understood, some abalone can be infected with the bacterium without developing the disease. It is believed, however, that changes in environmental conditions, such as warmer than normal water temperatures, may induce the disease in abalone that already harbor the bacterium. For this reason, the spread of the bacterium could lead to further declines in abalone populations, especially during El Niño events, when water temperatures rise.

Once a valuable fishery, abalone in Southern and Central California have been decimated by commercial and sport fishing, and more recently by this disease. Some populations of black abalone have declined nearly 99 percent since the disease was first observed in the Channel Islands off Santa Barbara.

Abalone at 50 seconds in video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vCmeV_K2mw

[drewski]

Some say that but many stomach sample reports show mostly baitfish.
Too many seals each eating 10 - 20 lbs of fish per day.
Seals eat bass and I have seen them tossing legal size halibut up in the air to rip off bite size chunks in the Port of LA.

Lack of big schools of Bonito and Mackerel thanks to Mexican and USA commercial fishermen netting tons and tons because our American Cats need to eat fish cat food.
Think about how many people in the USA feed there cats fish cat food.
I say Ban Cats !
DR


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Seriously? Why didn't cat food have the same effect years prior? Call me gullible for asking the question, bit could not tell if you were for real or not. That just sounds crazy to me!

[Ifishtoolittle]

The So Cal Abalone population was wiped out in the 1980's by the withering foot disease.
Zero take law of Abalone south of San Fransisco for decades. They are making a slow comeback and you can see in the below video at 50 seconds.


Withering abalone syndrome
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Jump to: navigation, search

Withering abalone syndrome is a disease of the abalone shellfish, primarily found in the black and red abalone species.

First described in 1986, it is caused by the bacterium "Candidatus Xenohaliotis californiensis", which attacks the lining of the abalone's digestive tract, inhibiting the production of digestive enzymes. To prevent starvation, the abalone consumes its own body mass, causing its characteristic muscular "foot" to wither and atrophy. This impairs the abalone's ability to adhere to rocks, making it far more vulnerable to predation. Withered abalone not eaten by predators typically starve.

For reasons not yet well understood, some abalone can be infected with the bacterium without developing the disease. It is believed, however, that changes in environmental conditions, such as warmer than normal water temperatures, may induce the disease in abalone that already harbor the bacterium. For this reason, the spread of the bacterium could lead to further declines in abalone populations, especially during El Niño events, when water temperatures rise.

Once a valuable fishery, abalone in Southern and Central California have been decimated by commercial and sport fishing, and more recently by this disease. Some populations of black abalone have declined nearly 99 percent since the disease was first observed in the Channel Islands off Santa Barbara.

Abalone at 50 seconds in video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vCmeV_K2mw

Neat! DR, do you know the population status for pink abalone?

[bman90278]

I took my son on a 1/2 day boat out of Newport Landing back in June and we were on lots of Calicos that day, but that didn't last long. I think Newport was catching some Calico's during July too, but most of them were shorts.

[bman90278]

. I saw a oldtimer land 2 @ 6" Calicos in 10 minutes yesterday at Redondo short pier yesterday on frozen anchovy chunks.


U must have been watching the WW2 Vet, I believe his name is Robbie. Yes the Short pier has had some good Calico action off and on, but mainly 13" and shorter varieties. Very rare to see a legal get caught.

brian

[DockRat]

Neat! DR, do you know the population status for pink abalone?

No, Back in the 1970's there was always abalone in Palos Verdes. I surfed PV and the south bay 1970 to the mid 80's. Walking the PV trails going surfing in the 1970's there was always abalone shells on the rocks and they were collected by people as soon as they wash up.

I can only speak for Palos Verdes because that is all I know. PV was always a green and black abalone area from what I saw. Around 1996 scuba diving the Dominator ship wreck at Rocky Point we saw a large live green abalone. I stopped diving around year 2000.

The last 15 years I've been collecting abalone shells. I have about 50 shells.
Only about a dozen nice ones (polished) Abalone shells in the living room many in the yard, garden ect.

Built a custom Abalone shell porch light. 11" pink with 13 - 12 volt led's lights.
Mounted at a 45 degree angle acting a natural reflector mounted and epoxied to a 6" black abalone shell mounted to the side of the house. Behind the black shell is a 120 volt to 12 volt cell phone type transformer.

It is pretty cool and everybody likes it and only uses 3 watts.
Abalone shells are in demand for collectors and Indians, jewelers ect for the Mother of Pearls jewelry.

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[billystein]

1 Sand Bass, 1 Sculpin, 6 Rockfish, 4 Bass Released.
this is a fish report from yesterday. total for 19 people.
how would you have liked to be on this trip?
it looks like a dead of winter report.

[DockRat]

KILL A CAT, SAVE A FISH. :Big Grin:


Seriously? Why didn't cat food have the same effect years prior? Call me gullible for asking the question, bit could not tell if you were for real or not. That just sounds crazy to me!
Cat food is only part of the picture. A commercial fisherman in the port of LA told me about the cat food demand. Commercial fishermen want to make money period.

They don't care if Mackerel/Bonito/Skipjack/Tuna are used for cat food, human consumption, fish meal fertilizer, shipped overseas or bait. Just money $$$.

Skipjack and Bonito are in the the Tuna family.
Cat food in the can that says 'Tuna' is most likely Skipjack and Bonito.

http://www.humanesociety.org/issues/pet_overpopulation/facts/pet_ownership_statistics.html

The U.S. has come a long way over the last few decades in increasing pet ownership and decreasing euthanasia.

U.S. pet-ownership estimates

Cats

86.4 million—Number of owned cats

Not all Cats eat Cat seafood but there is a million that do every single day.
Think about the average supermarket and how many bags of Cat Seafood.:Idea: Now multiply that number by every supermarket in the USA.
Now add in all the Pet stores into the equation.

CATS CONSUME TONS OF FISH EVERY SINGLE DAY IN THE USA.

I HATE CATS. DR

[DockRat]

Cat Got Your Fish?

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/22/opinion/22greenberg.html?_r=0

By PAUL GREENBERG
Published: March 21, 2009

MY cat Coco died recently. Actually we euthanized him to alleviate his suffering from cancer. And while this was a sad moment, it was made less sad because Coco’s death also alleviated ever so slightly the suffering of the sea.

Coco, like most American cats, ate fish. And a great deal of them — more in a year than the average African human, according to Jason Clay at the World Wildlife Fund. And unlike the chicken or beef Coco also gobbled up, all those fish were wild animals, scooped out of the sea and flown thousands of carbon-belching miles to reach his little blue bowl.

The use of wild fish in animal feed is a serious problem for the world’s food systems. Around a third of all wild fish caught are “reduced” into fish meal and fish oil. And yet most of the outrage about this is focused not on land-based animals like Coco but on other fish — namely farm-raised fish.

This is understandable. Ever since the Stanford economist Rosamond Naylor concluded in a 2000 paper in the journal Nature that it took three pounds of wild fish to provide enough food to grow one pound of farmed salmon, environmentalists have been apoplectic. They argue that the removal of wild “forage” fish threatens to starve whales, seals and other predators; that anchovies, mackerel and other “pelagic forage fish” should be used to feed humans; and that feed made from wild fish can give farm-raised fish higher levels of contaminants. As a result of all these issues, ocean preservationists have focused their ire on salmon farming. But in doing so they diverted attention from another problem of equal importance: the role played by those land-based creatures that also put their muzzles in the fish meal trough.

The pet food industry now uses about 10 percent of the global supply of forage fish. The swine industry consumes 24 percent of fish meal and oil — fish oil being considered the best way to wean piglets. Poultry meanwhile takes as much as 22 percent, which means that even when Coco ate chicken, indirectly he was still eating fish. (It’s worth pointing out, too, that the PCBs that concentrate in farmed salmon similarly concentrate in pigs and chickens. A PCB is the same persistent carcinogen no matter what form of flesh delivers it to the human digestive tract.)

Meanwhile, the aquaculture industry has taken the criticisms levied against it seriously. Through a combination of selective breeding of more efficient animals, the use of fish meal substitutes from soy, and greater efforts to retrieve uneaten pellets of fish meal at fish farms, the ratio of pounds of wild fish required for a pound of farmed salmon has dropped considerably since 2004. Yes, the overall number of salmon being farmed and the subsequent demand for wild fish meal from salmon farmers are rising, but they are clearly striving toward some kind of smaller footprint at least on an impact-per-animal basis.

I am not advocating the salmon industry be given a free pass. It still has work to do, particularly with limiting the escape of those efficient, selectively bred farmed fish into the wild. But salmon naturally eat other fish, while terrestrial livestock and pets eat them because humans have deemed it commercially expedient.

If we are serious about curtailing our impact on the oceans, we should insist that land-based farm animals stick to land-grown feed. Some moves in this direction have already taken place. The United States’ national organics standards now require producers to keep fish meal use to a minimum.

But limiting terrestrial use of fish meal in our country is not enough. Fish meal and oil are now a booming international commodity. The rising demand, particularly from Asia, is fueling a perilous trend to “reduce” bigger and more valuable wild fish into pig, chicken and fish feed.

If we are to stop this devastating practice, we must step up our research to find alternatives. Indeed, the Obama administration, in search of “shovel ready” projects for the forthcoming stimulus package, would be well advised to consider programs like the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration’s research initiative to develop fish meal and oil substitutes from algae, agricultural byproducts and other nonfish sources. No doubt the swine and poultry industries will claim that fish substitutes are too far off and that cutting out fish meal and fish oil is not economically feasible. But similar arguments were once made by the agricultural interests that relied on whales for fertilizer.

As for pets like Coco, alternatives already exist. Several companies now make vegan cat food, though owners of vegan cats find they must supplement their pets’ diets with Vitamin A, Vitamin B12, niacin and other nutrients. But those who feel a vegan cat goes against nature (so says the A.S.P.C.A.) might rethink a pet’s potential footprint before acquiring one.

A carnivore, be it a cat, a dog or a salmon, is a heavy burden for the environment and should not be brought under human care lightly. In my family, this has become a topic of debate as we consider our next animal. Coco was an interesting and unique creature, and I argue that he cannot be replaced. To me, a vegetarian substitute is seeming more and more appealing. Lately, I’ve had my eye on a guinea pig.

Paul Greenberg is the author of a forthcoming book on the future of fish.

Why Fish is Dangerous for Cats
November 18, 2010
By jhofve77

By Jean Hofve, DVM

A lot of cats love fish, but it’s really not a good idea to feed it to your cat! Why not?

* The fish used in canned pet foods usually includes bones, and are high in phosphorus and magnesium, which can be an issue in cats with a history of urinary tract disorders or kidney disease. In practice I have seen quite a few cats develop urinary tract infections and blockages if they eat much fish–even boneless fish.

* Many cats are sensitive or even allergic to fish; it is one of the top 3 most common food allergens.

* Fish-based foods have high levels of histamine, a protein involved in allergic reactions.

* While cats can synthesize their own Vitamin K from most food sources, fish-based foods may not support sufficient Vitamin K synthesis. Vitamin K is necessary for proper blood clotting. The most common synthetic Vitamin K supplement, menadione, has toxicity issues. We do not recommend feeding any cat food containing menadione.

* Fish tends to be “addictive” to cats. They love it, and will often stage a “hunger strike” by refusing their regular food in favor of fish. Tuna or other fish should be reserved as a rare and special treat. Feed fish no more than once a week, and even then in very small amounts only.

* There is a known link between the feeding of fish-based canned cat foods and the development of hyperthyroidism in older cats.

* Fish may not be safe to feed to cats. Predatory fish at the top of the food chain, such as tuna and salmon, may contain very elevated levels of heavy metals (including mercury) as well as PCBs, pesticides, and other toxins. Tilefish (listed on pet food labels as “ocean whitefish”) are among the worst contaminated, along with king mackerel, shark, and swordfish. These fish are so toxic that the FDA advises that women of child-bearing age and children should avoid them entirely’; and they recommend only 1 serving of albacore tuna per week due to its high mercury levels. If these fish are dangerous to children, cats are at even more risk!

* The vast majority of salmon today comes from factory-farmed fish. These unfortunate animals are kept in overcrowded net pens– feedlots–in polluted coastal waters. They’re fed anti-fungals, antibiotics, and brightly-colored dyes to make their flesh “salmon colored”–it is naturally gray. Common water pollutants such as PCBs, pesticides, and other chemicals are present in farmed salmon at 10 times the amount found in wild fish. These contaminants will be present in any product made with farmed fish, including cat and dog food.

* Even “wild-caught” salmon are likely to have been born and raised in a hatchery.

* Farmed salmon transmit diseases and parasites; those who escape their pens (and they do) outcompete and interbreed with wild salmon.

* A 2006 study confirms that salmon farms are “massive breeding grounds” for sea lice. Under natural conditions, wild adult fish carrying these parasites are not in migration channels at the same time as the defenseless, inch-long baby salmon, so infestation of the young fish is not a problem. But today, in waters near fish farms (which tend to be located at the end of those same migration channels), up to 95% of baby salmon are fatally infested. It is feared that that farmed salmon from nearly 300 fish factories in North America may ultimately decimate the wild population in the Atlantic.

* “Organic” salmon is also farm-raised, and does not have to comply with USDA organic standards. In fact, there is currently no regulatory agency in the United States that sets organic standards for fish. The contaminant level of organic farmed salmon may be just as high as that of conventional farmed salmon.

* The meat is toxic and the industry is environmentally destructive–need we say more?

In general, the small amounts of “fish meal” included as a flavoring and/or source of omega-3 fatty acids in cat foods are not a problem, but fish should not be a mainstay of any cat’s diet. Fish should be limited to an occasional–and small–treat.

[DockRat]

1 Sand Bass, 1 Sculpin, 6 Rockfish, 4 Bass Released.
this is a fish report from yesterday. total for 19 people.
how would you have liked to be on this trip?
it looks like a dead of winter report.

Yes Billy, that is a terrible report.
Go to King Harbor and catch Tuna off the rocks right now.
Bonito (bonito are tuna) and are in there the last couple days.
See my KH Report.

One of the best local fighting fish especially on light tackle 4 to 10 lb trout gear will give a better fight than anything at Irvine Lake.

NOBODY IS DOWN THERE RIGHT NOW TARGETING THESE TUNA.
Just a few bait and wait guys hanging around.
Call Redondo Sportfishing if you don't believe me.

http://www.redondosportfishing.com/


233 North Harbor Drive
Redondo Beach, CA 90277
Telephone:+1 310 372 2111
Fish Counts:+1 310 376 1622

[bman90278]

1 Sand Bass, 1 Sculpin, 6 Rockfish, 4 Bass Released.
this is a fish report from yesterday. total for 19 people.
how would you have liked to be on this trip?
it looks like a dead of winter report.

Who's report is that?

-brian

[hattrick7]

I'd like to know what happened to the calicos also. During June/July the calico bite was off the hook down here in Dana Point/San Clemente. The bite now is basically non-existent.