Ship Pollution

[DockRat]

Big time smog polluters. We don't see it because they change from Bunker fuel oil to a cleaner fuel within 200 of the US coast. Large plumes can be seen from space crossing the oceans. Burning over 20 gallons per mile up to 120 gallons per mile.
It is unregulated offshore and nobody knows or cares. :Crying:
DR

2.2.2 Marine Vessels and Ports

Marine cargo vessels and port complexes are the second largest source of diesel freight emissions. In addition to cargo ships, ports use cranes, hostlers, and other equipment powered by diesel fuel. Cargo vessels typically burn bunker fuel (also known as residual fuel because it is literally left over from the refining process), a form of diesel fuel with particularly high sulfur content. Bunker fuel is the most common fueling option because of its low cost; considering that a typical cargo ship burns 120 gallons of fuel per mile. They are major contributor to air quality issues in coastal regions, especially those related to sulfur oxides. Researchers have estimated that ships burning this type of fuel are responsible for as many as 60,000 deaths per year worldwide
http://www.ops.fhwa.dot.gov/publications/fhwahop10024/sect2.htm

http://i604.photobucket.com/albums/tt122/IK2/large-cargo-ship-pollution-smoke-photo4.jpg


How 16 ships create as much pollution as all the cars in the world !


As ships get bigger, the pollution is getting worse. The most staggering statistic of all is that just 16 of the world’s largest ships can produce as much lung-clogging sulphur pollution as all the world’s cars.

There are now an estimated 100,000 ships on the seas, and the fleet is growing fast as goods are ferried in vast quantities from Asian industrial powerhouses to consumers in Europe and North America.

But, unlike power stations or cars, they can burn the cheapest, filthiest, high-sulphur fuel: the thick residues left behind in refineries after the lighter liquids have been taken. The stuff nobody on land is allowed to use.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1229857/How-16-ships-create-pollution-cars-world.html

"By 2010, up to 40 percent of air pollution over land could come from ships".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Environmental_impact_of_shipping



Bunker fuel, the stuff large cargo ships run on, is pretty much the dirtiest liquid fuel around. It's brown or black, and frequently so thick or sludgy it barely flows. Imagine cargo ships burning liquid asphalt, and you wouldn't be far off. Among other things, bunker fuel has up to 2000 times the sulfur permitted in the diesel fuel that's used for road vehicles.

Ship Pollution Seen From Space...:Shocked:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o75LowdQ1zU

[DarkShadow]

Now, I'm curious... IF regulations did go into play, who would be the creator of said regulations when it deals with international waters? What country 'owns' the middle of the Pacific Ocean?

Would the U.N. be the entity that would enact these regulations? How are they going to even enforce it? Send their navy after the polluters? Oh wait. They have none.

AND, if these regulations are created where shipping companies have to use cleaner burning fuels, which of course will come with a higher price tag, how is Walmart going to keep their prices so low, once shipping costs skyrocket through the roof?

And why are we concerned with ships in the middle of the ocean, when companies in the US are some of the major polluters? Shouldn't we be concerned with the polluters at home, or is that too much of a liberal/hippie agenda?

Your thoughts, DockRat?

[DockRat]

That's a lot of questions DS.


Now, I'm curious... IF regulations did go into play, who would be the creator of said regulations when it deals with international waters? Al Gore ? :LOL:


What country 'owns' the middle of the Pacific Ocean?
http://i1149.photobucket.com/albums/o596/LisaMTarot/Blog-Web-Uploads/7neptune.png

Would the U.N. be the entity that would enact these regulations?
Sure.

How are they going to even enforce it?
Regulate the fuel at the ports.

Send their navy after the polluters? Oh wait. They have none.
http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab225/500KV_album/bad-husbands-fat-man-in-boat-smokin.jpg

AND, if these regulations are created where shipping companies have to use cleaner burning fuels, which of course will come with a higher price tag, how is Walmart going to keep their prices so low, once shipping costs skyrocket through the roof?
Good. Bring the jobs back home.

And why are we concerned with ships in the middle of the ocean, when companies in the US are some of the major polluters?
"By 2010, up to 40 percent of air pollution over land could come from ships".
Now you have the Obama administration saying they want all cars to get 30+ mpg ? Why do we have to suffer ?

Shouldn't we be concerned with the polluters at home, or is that too much of a liberal/hippie agenda?
Your thoughts, DockRat?
Our pollution ? All that Walmart crap is dumping smog across the ocean. Then the Chinese unregulated manufacturing on top of that.
Smog in China.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v125/paymepunk/smog1.jpg

[TroutOnly]

Sink them boats,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

[Lady Quagga]

Sink them boats,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

Agreed. Let's start with the single largest user of bunker fuels.

The United States Navy.

[Stalker Of Fish]

Agreed. Let's start with the single largest user of bunker fuels.

The United States Navy.


Dark-Quagga........Still talking out of of your sphincter I see. The U.S. Navy ? They coined the term "bunker fuel"
but are NOT the largest consumer . You truly are clueless!

How about Mexico ? We actually have (some) pollution regulations . Why do you think most of our US industry has left
the country or gone belly up ? like say U.S. steel ?

Mexico, China, Korea , India etc.... Don't have any serious environmental protection programs .

Let's start with removing all illegal immigrant drivers and their cars in California! We could all breath easier and
have less traffic congestion as well as lower insurance rates. Then across the nation !

By the way Dark-Quagga you will get higher prices at your beloved Walmart to off set shipping cost.

Also the U.N. enforces things like piracy in international waters, they have access to a few Navy's.
Not to mention all ships have to come into port eventually or can be denied entrance.......
GET IT?

Mexico City's rush hour.........

[DockRat]

Agreed. Let's start with the single largest user of bunker fuels.

The United States Navy.

Hi LQ, Your above statement is false. :whistle:


There are now an estimated 100,000 ships on the seas, and the fleet is growing fast as goods are ferried in vast quantities from Asian industrial powerhouses to consumers in Europe and North America.


Current US Navy ships;

There are currently 10 aircraft carriers, 22 cruisers, 62 destroyers, 28 frigates, 3 littoral combat ships, 9 amphibious assault ships, 2 amphibious command ships, 9 amphibious transport docks, 12 dock landing ships, 53 attack submarines, 14 ballistic missile submarines, 4 guided missile submarines, 13 mine countermeasures ships, 11 patrol boats, and 1 technical research ship (military intelligence ship, the USS Pueblo, which is currently held by North Korea).

Support ships include 2 hospital ships, 4 salvage ships, 2 submarine tenders, 1 ammunition ship, 5 combat stores ships, 4 fast combat support ships, 14 dry cargo ships, 15 replenishment oilers, 4 fleet ocean tugs, 11 large harbor tugs, 4 ocean surveillance ships, 4 container ships, 16 cargo ships (used for prepositioning of Marine and Army materiel), and 7 vehicle cargo ships (also used for prepositioning).

[Lady Quagga]

Dark-Quagga........Still talking out of of your sphincter I see.

Hey there STRIPER HUNTER! Glad to see you are back off your meds!

Still alluding to me being DarkShadow, eh?

[Lady Quagga]

Hi LQ, Your above statement is false.

Actually, the statement is true.

The U.S. Navy is in fact the largest single user. I did not say it was the largest fleet (at least when compared to merchant fleets), but the largest single user.

[City Dad]

Actually, the statement is true.

The U.S. Navy is in fact the largest single user. I did not say it was the largest fleet (at least when compared to merchant fleets), but the largest single user.

Your talkin' blow, right?
http://www.vaughanpl.info/teenvortex/blog/wp-content/uploads/In-the-Navy1.jpg

[Lady Quagga]

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[City Dad]

A "Manhattan Woman" is actually an act where one participant takes an apple and... oh, never mind...

[FishermanStu]

Let's start with removing all illegal emigrant drivers and their cars in California! We could all breath easier and
have less traffic congestion as well as lower insurance rates. Then across the nation !


Mexico City's rush hour.........

What's an emigrant driver?

[Lady Quagga]

What's an emigrant driver?

I think he's referring to Americans who try to move to Canada illegally....

[City Dad]

I think he's referring to Americans who try to move to Canada illegally....

Hopefully the immigrants to California have a better grasp on English than the emigrants who have gotten fed up and moved north...

[DarkShadow]

Hopefully the immigrants to California have a better grasp on English than the emigrants who have gotten fed up and moved north...

This week we analyze emigrant and immigrant, two very similar sounding words with different meanings.

The first word, emigrant, is a noun that describes someone who has left their native homeland in order to settle in another country: For example, “many emigrants left their European home nations in the nineteenth century and headed to the land of opportunity in the US of A”.

The second word, immigrant, is also a noun but this word describes someone who has already entered and settled in another country and has already embarked on a new life there. For example, “it is often the case that many new immigrants can only find low paying manual jobs.”

Furthermore, when these words are changed to verbs, we can see a similar difference in meaning. Try to remember the difference by comparing these ideas: Someone emigrates from a place, but someone immigrates to another.

http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/9769/tumblrinlinemflhmvscah1.gif

[Lady Quagga]

This week we analyze emigrant and immigrant, two very similar sounding words with different meanings.

The first word, emigrant, is a noun that describes someone who has left their native homeland in order to settle in another country: For example, “many emigrants left their European home nations in the nineteenth century and headed to the land of opportunity in the US of A”.

The second word, immigrant, is also a noun but this word describes someone who has already entered and settled in another country and has already embarked on a new life there. For example, “it is often the case that many new immigrants can only find low paying manual jobs.”

Furthermore, when these words are changed to verbs, we can see a similar difference in meaning. Try to remember the difference by comparing these ideas: Someone emigrates from a place, but someone immigrates to another.

http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/9769/tumblrinlinemflhmvscah1.gif

What the hell do YOU know, Dark-Quagga?

[DarkShadow]

What the hell do YOU know, Dark-Quagga?

I thought you were DarkQuagga.