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DockRat
04-11-2012, 06:48 PM
Now a Felony to protest near the Secret Service. :Beat Stick:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6MSm6fnqD1U

How Big a Deal is H.R. 347, That “Criminalizing Protest” Bill?
Posted by Gabe Rottman, Washington Legislative Office

Recent days have seen significant concern about an unassuming bill with an unassuming name: the "Federal Restricted Buildings and Grounds Improvement Act of 2011." The bill, H.R. 347, has been variously described as making the First Amendment illegal or criminalizing the Occupy protests.

The truth is more mundane, but the issues raised are still of major significance for the First Amendment.

It's important to note — contrary to some reports — that H.R. 347 doesn't create any new crimes, or directly apply to the Occupy protests. The bill slightly rewrites a short trespass law, originally passed in 1971 and amended a couple of times since, that covers areas subject to heightened Secret Service security measures.

These restricted areas include locations where individuals under Secret Service protection are temporarily located, and certain large special events like a presidential inauguration. They can also include large public events like the Super Bowl and the presidential nominating conventions (troublingly, the Department of Homeland Security has significant discretion in designating what qualifies as one of these special events).

The original statute, unchanged by H.R. 347,made certain conduct with respect to these restricted areas a crime, including simple trespass, actions in or near the restricted area that would "disrupt the orderly conduct of Government," and blocking the entrance or exit to the restricted area.

H.R. 347 did make one noteworthy change, which may make it easier for the Secret Service to overuse or misuse the statute to arrest lawful protesters.

Without getting too much into the weeds, most crimes require the government to prove a certain state of mind. Under the original language of the law, you had to act "willfully and knowingly" when committing the crime. In short, you had to know your conduct was illegal. Under H.R. 347, you will simply need to act "knowingly," which here would mean that you know you're in a restricted area, but not necessarily that you're committing a crime.

Any time the government lowers the intent requirement, it makes it easier for a prosecutor to prove her case, and it gives law enforcement more discretion when enforcing the law. To be sure, this is of concern to the ACLU. We will monitor the implementation of H.R. 347 for any abuse or misuse.

Also, while H.R. 347, on its own, is only of incremental importance, it could be misused as part of a larger move by the Secret Service and others to suppress lawful protest by relegating it to particular locations at a public event. These "free speech zones" are frequently used to target certain viewpoints or to keep protesters away from the cameras. Although H.R. 347 doesn't directly address free speech zones, it is part of the set of laws that make this conduct possible, and should be seen in this context.

Rest assured we'll be keeping an eye on how this law will be interpreted and used by law enforcement — especially in light of the coming elections.
https://www.aclu.org/blog/free-speech/how-big-deal-hr-347-criminalizing-protest-bill

Romney has Secret service. Carry a sign, go to jail.

http://i970.photobucket.com/albums/ae184/greenelent/Photo%20a%20Day%202012/unitedny.jpg

This is now a Felony.
http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg198/ProfessorofTruth/Protest/Obama-Go-Home.jpg
DR

DockRat
04-11-2012, 07:13 PM
Spelling error in the Title. Lol.
Amendment

The First Amendment (Amendment I) to the United States Constitution is part of the Bill of Rights. The amendment prohibits the making of any law respecting an establishment of religion, impeding the free exercise of religion, abridging the freedom of speech, infringing on the freedom of the press, interfering with the right to peaceably assemble or prohibiting the petitioning for a governmental redress of grievances.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution

tacklejunkie
04-12-2012, 12:40 AM
Clearly sir you are a terrorist and helped destroy the WTC.
Specially with spelling errors like that haha Amending the amendments all over the place.. And nobody even knows how to mend.

cutbait
04-12-2012, 06:19 AM
One step closer to tyranny each day

Marley
04-12-2012, 09:29 AM
SCOTUS will toss this rather quickly, I would think. The 1st Amendment has been interpreted so broadly over the years and now this definitive violation comes along. Where were the watchdogs?
BTW, Occupy should be a felony.

skunked4life
04-12-2012, 10:22 AM
I don't necessarily thik that this is a bad change. It neither severely hinders nor promote speech. The government has always had the power to regulate speech in certain time, place and manner situations and this is hardly any different. It should be noted that these types of Constitutional issues do not easily get overturned especially in the area of this type of protest/speech.

Only time can tell.

DarkShadow
04-12-2012, 10:35 AM
Beats the Patriot Act, that shat all over the 4th Amendment, I say.

City Dad
04-12-2012, 11:49 AM
HURRAH!!! Tonight Darkshadow, I and all the other Communist Muslims will celebrate by bathing in the blood of Republican children and dancing 'round an burning effigy of William F. Buckley!

Victory at last!

cutbait
04-12-2012, 12:50 PM
HURRAH!!! Tonight Darkshadow, I and all the other Communist Muslims will celebrate by bathing in the blood of Republican children and dancing 'round an burning effigy of William F. Buckley!

Victory at last!

99 percent of your posts are idiotic, but this one really takes it to a new level

DarkShadow
04-12-2012, 01:00 PM
HURRAH!!! Tonight Darkshadow, I and all the other Communist Muslims will celebrate by bathing in the blood of Republican children and dancing 'round an burning effigy of William F. Buckley!

Victory at last!

See what you did?

Now you'll get your phone lines wire tapped, and your bank account investigated because you said the "M" word.

God Bless the Patriot Act.

fishermanx14
04-12-2012, 01:19 PM
we should all just overrun the government

tacklejunkie
04-12-2012, 01:31 PM
See what you did?

Now you'll get your phone lines wire tapped, and your bank account investigated because you said the "M" word.

God Bless the Patriot Act.

Well you shouldn't have any problems with it right?
Unless of course, you really are hiding something! :LOL:
Like all the locations to those nice plump trouts you just got.
I know the patriot act can't protect those fish for long!
All those red white and blue fins. :Angry:

Lady Quagga
04-12-2012, 01:51 PM
Without getting too much into the weeds, most crimes require the government to prove a certain state of mind. Under the original language of the law, you had to act "willfully and knowingly" when committing the crime. In short, you had to know your conduct was illegal. Under H.R. 347, you will simply need to act "knowingly," which here would mean that you know you're in a restricted area, but not necessarily that you're committing a crime.

Any time the government lowers the intent requirement, it makes it easier for a prosecutor to prove her case, and it gives law enforcement more discretion when enforcing the law. To be sure, this is of concern to the ACLU. We will monitor the implementation of H.R. 347 for any abuse or misuse.

While I applaud Mr. Rottman and the ACLU for bringing this bill to our attention, I can't say I agree with the implications he foresees.

I am no legal expert, I believe the intent requirement would relate to individuals who set out to protest with the intent of committing a crime. (Or to put it simply, "Let's go cause some trouble!") But what if you are protesting peacefully, and a situation occurs in which the Secret Service must relocate a demonstration in order to facilitate their security procedures? If the demonstrators were to resist, they could not be charged under this law because their initial act of protesting had no unlawful intent. Could this law be misused? Possibly. Will it? Doubtful.

"To be sure, this is of concern to the ACLU. We will monitor the implementation of H.R. 347 for any abuse or misuse." This course of action, playing the watchdog (and I do not mean that disparagingly) is the best course of action.

Posting on FNN with overtones of DOOOOOOOOOOOOOM is not.

tacklejunkie
04-12-2012, 01:57 PM
we should all just overrun the government

http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff280/tacklejunkie/wheelieman.jpg

City Dad
04-12-2012, 02:29 PM
99 percent of your posts are idiotic, but this one really takes it to a new level

Why, thank you for complimenting 279.6 of my posts! But to be honest, if I have seen farther it is only because I stand on the shoulders of giants.

DarkShadow
04-12-2012, 02:33 PM
Why, thank you for complimenting 279.6 of my posts! But to be honest, if I have seen farther it is only because I stand on the shoulders of giants.

It's 279.7. Get your math right.

And shoulders of Giants?

Told you that you were a Giants fan.

City Dad
04-12-2012, 02:53 PM
It's 279.7. Get your math right.

And shoulders of Giants?

Told you that you were a Giants fan.

Dude, would you stop treating this dignified forum like it's a junior high study hall? There are thoughts being expressed here! Also, are you coming to the meeting tonight? (Because it's your turn to bring the torches and eight-layer dip.)

DockRat
04-12-2012, 07:47 PM
99 percent of your posts are idiotic, but this one really takes it to a new level

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y53/blackroseowl/WTF%20This%20Thread/MamoruDealWithIt.gif


we should all just overrun the government
Yah OK :Rolls Eyes:
Let us know how it turns out.
DR


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZqwVL1I-Yw

tacklejunkie
04-12-2012, 09:00 PM
Is that all the cops have is teargas and bottleneck bridges?
Meh we can take'em.

I thought they had guns and knives and kevlar and handcuffs with 20 year sentences.

Is it ok if we start the revolution next week instead I was planning on watching dancing with the stars tonight.

Lady Quagga
04-13-2012, 12:14 PM
Dude, would you stop treating this dignified forum like it's a junior high study hall? There are thoughts being expressed here! Also, are you coming to the meeting tonight? (Because it's your turn to bring the torches and eight-layer dip.)

8 layer dip? Tres de classe, sir. How about some Frito pie while you're at it? Or some weenie-mac? Or maybe some peanut butter, banana & bacon sandwiches?

DarkShadow
04-13-2012, 12:40 PM
How about some Frito pie while you're at it? Or some weenie-mac? Or maybe some peanut butter, banana & bacon sandwiches?

We are in California.

Not Texas or Florida.

City Dad
04-13-2012, 01:10 PM
8 layer dip? Tres de classe, sir. How about some Frito pie while you're at it? Or some weenie-mac? Or maybe some peanut butter, banana & bacon sandwiches?

Well Frito pie was last week and I'm allergic to powdered chee... hey, what a second... are you being sarcastic? Yeah, I think you are being sarcastic, "Lady Quagga." I'll bet you're not even a real Quagga.

DarkShadow
04-13-2012, 01:20 PM
I'll bet you're not even a real Quagga.

Probably an effin' Zebra Mussel instead.

Identity crisis much?