Corona lake stocking trout weds!!!9/28

[Adrian_trout_bass]

CORONA LAKE ANNOUNCED ON FACEBBOOK THAT THEY WILL BE STOCKING "SIERRA BOWS" TOMARROW!!!!WISH I COULD BE THERE:mad:....WELL GOOD LUCK TO WHO EVER GOES!!!

[jpod]

ohhhhhhhhhhhh yea i saw the same thing were goin on saturday how many pounds do they usually stock the first time ?

[smokehound]

Way too early... that water's still warm! I bet a whole bunch are gonna die off.

[Trout Daddy]

How many pounds is a good question

[Marley]

I love fishing Corona and SARL and I defend them on most things they do. Planting trout in water that is realistically too warm for them, just to be the first, is not one of them. We have heat coming in before truly cold nights cool the water enough, always do mid-October. Those of you who will tube the lake this weekend will feel the result of this plant when you kick the dead, suspended trout while moving around. Trouble is, all that dead meat in the water will kill any catfish bite. I hope I'm wrong, I would love to get out there Sunday, but I think I'm going to be right.

[Anthony I.]

Just how am I suppose to come up a good enough to excuse to ditch my priorities, with such sort notice? Thanx!

[Surfnsnowboard3]

Just how am I suppose to come up a good enough to excuse to ditch my priorities, with such sort notice? Thanx!

http://killroys.com/articles/reading-water-part-2/

Refer to the above article for info on water temp and trout. Condensed version states at water temp of 75 and above (which Corona is at), the trout will die.

Also at high water temps, the trouts metabolism is slow so it won't feed (thus we won't catch them).

I hope I'm wrong, but it appears Corona is content with sending trout to their deaths. Very sad.

Another interesting point....read 597(a) of the California Penal Code....

[fishinglakes.com]

FYI, the water temp is now 69 to 70 degrees at Corona. Only 1,000 pounds will be stocked this coming Weds.

[Marley]

FYI, the water temp is now 69 to 70 degrees at Corona. Only 1,000 pounds will be stocked this coming Weds.

Technically at the top of their range, but too hot. You know I love ya, just not right now!

[Mr T-rex]

why you guys saying its too hot.. instead of being happy that they are trying to bring the trout season early you guys are crying..wow have u took a look outside and see how chilly it is

[Mr T-rex]

Technically at the top of their range, but too hot. You know I love ya, just not right now! then dont fish..

[Marley]

then dont fish..

I won't, thank you very much.
I watch this board all season long and I see guys crying and screaming because they can't get bit at Corona or SARL. I figured it out a long time ago so I post tips and hints, everything I can think of besides a couple of secret spots (I worked hard and smart for those, find you own), and I pm a lot of guys with a little better information than that. They get down on the operators for any number of things from nets to mud to not planting fish to feeding fish at night so they don't bite. Most schlubs who can't buy a bite also can't buy a clue, but I (and a lot of others) do what we can. But when the operators shoot themselves in the foot (EVERY YEAR) by planting these fish in water that is too warm for them to thrive, I can't defend them for it.
This is obviously not a season-opening plant, just "testing the waters" (more literal than anything). I hope it works because I want to catch something, anything.

[Marley]

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[Marley]

why you guys saying its too hot.. instead of being happy that they are trying to bring the trout season early you guys are crying..wow have u took a look outside and see how chilly it is

It was 98 at my office in Ontario yesterday. We could have fried trout on the sidewalk almost.

[seal]

why you guys saying its too hot.. instead of being happy that they are trying to bring the trout season early you guys are crying..wow have u took a look outside and see how chilly it is

You kidding right? Corona Lake is mid 80's right now. If you live by the beach it's cool but inland it's hot.

Who will be the first to complain that Corona didn't put the trout in promised cause they got skunked this weekend (due to trout not biting or dying)?

[Surfnsnowboard3]

why you guys saying its too hot.. instead of being happy that they are trying to bring the trout season early you guys are crying..wow have u took a look outside and see how chilly it is
I thought my post was pretty clear. Again, I HOPE I'm wrong. But too many fish will die needlessly. That's WHY

[Hitts0n]

I hope everyone slays! Good luck out there folks!! Happy fishing !:Cool:

[Mr T-rex]

Blah blah blah is all i hear.. if you get skunked then your obviously not doing something right ..thank you very much

[white belt]

Hopefully they survive this weekend because it's going to be a lot cooler the following week. I'll probably go then.

[IncredibleHuck]

Blah blah blah is all i hear.. if you get skunked then your obviously not doing something right ..thank you very much

Are you going this weekend?

[Mr T-rex]

Are you going this weekend? yeah buddy..

[IncredibleHuck]

yeah buddy..

Good luck then. I remember going a few years ago, and started kicking out in my tube in the dark, and realized that I kept kicking something. Sure enough it was trout. The Oxygen level at the time was too low for them.

Hopefully the water has cooled down, so the fish are active, otherwise you may be in for a loooong day.

[E.A.R.G.]

100 percent behind Marley on this one.

I for one, won't fish openers for SARL/Corona ever again. Come October/November, you'll see me there.

[seal]

It was 98 at my office in Ontario yesterday. We could have fried trout on the sidewalk almost.

Too funny we must of posted at the same time!

T-rex some of us have seen this many times before and it's just sad to see so many bellyup trout.

[fish-o-haulic]

Blah blah blah is all i hear.. if you get skunked then your obviously not doing something right ..thank you very much

ignorance is a terrible thing

[Mr T-rex]

ignorance is a terrible thing sure is hu

[seal]

sure is hu

Sure is huh? And who the hell is hu?????

[TheAsianGuy]

I don't know who took the temperatures of the lake, but County Flood Control Districts and Water Districts reported the air temperature in the high 80s across the board (high 60's early in the mornings), while the water temperatures for larger lake bodies are mid 70's to 80. So, as all the avid trout anglers have pointed out, fish death is imminent, unless some decide to monitor the temperature at the lake's bottom to ensure the temperature does not exceed 70 for a possible survival chance.

[fish-o-haulic]

sure is hu

again i say ignorance is an terrible thing, even worse ignorance of spelling or not paying attention to what you wrote or whatever the heck hu is supposed to mean

[smokehound]

why you guys saying its too hot.. instead of being happy that they are trying to bring the trout season early you guys are crying..wow have u took a look outside and see how chilly it is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Failure

[Mr T-rex]

lol you guys are funny..getting all mad like if this is ur job calm down, i will outfish all of you

[Mr T-rex]

again i say ignorance is an terrible thing, even worse ignorance of spelling or not paying attention to what you wrote or whatever the heck hu is supposed to mean what do you mean ignorance is "an" terrible thing..hmmmmm talking about spelling nice

[Mr T-rex]

again i say ignorance is an terrible thing, even worse ignorance of spelling or not paying attention to what you wrote or whatever the heck hu is supposed to mean

dont quit your day job bro

[TheAsianGuy]

lol you guys are funny..getting all mad like if this is ur job calm down, i will outfish all of you

Nah..we're not mad. Just being good stewards of the little resources we have investing into the hobbies that we love. Tossing fishes into a lake that will end up killing 1/2, 3/4, or even most of them is definitely a waste, even though it's a season opener temptation. Imagine how much money is poured into raising these beauties, and end up seeing them belly up. It's like you purchase a dream car knowing its faultiness, pour tons of money into the car to trick it out, and end up with a bad engine and electrical system just when you finished tricking it out. You either shell out more money to make it run, or strip and junk it. Same thing with the fishes.

I wouldn't doubt that you would out fish me 10 to 1. But, it's all about being sound and logical with what you're investing in. I scream and moan all the time because trout seasons were over, or even skunked like the best of them. Once again, frivolously tossing resources away to satisfy a few itchy fingers is like politicians tossing millions of tax dollars that was earned by the blood and sweat of our citizens to satisfy their shriveled up poles with some call-girls, with $1K per Viagra shot for instant pop-up, because they can't get it on with their woman at home or pick up young girls in bars/nightclubs. Just my thoughts.

[Mr T-rex]

Nah..we're not mad. Just being good stewards of the little resources we have investing into the hobbies that we love. Tossing fishes into a lake that will end up killing 1/2, 3/4, or even most of them is definitely a waste, even though it's a season opener temptation. Imagine how much money is poured into raising these beauties, and end up seeing them belly up. It's like you purchase a dream car knowing its faultiness, pour tons of money into the car to trick it out, and end up with a bad engine and electrical system just when you finished tricking it out. You either shell out more money to make it run, or strip and junk it. Same thing with the fishes.

I wouldn't doubt that you would out fish me 10 to 1. But, it's all about being sound and logical with what you're investing in. I scream and moan all the time because trout seasons were over, or even skunked like the best of them. Once again, frivolously tossing resources away to satisfy a few itchy fingers is like politicians tossing millions of tax dollars that was earned by the blood and sweat of our citizens to satisfy their shriveled up poles with some call-girls, with $1K per Viagra shot for instant pop-up, because they can't get it on with their woman at home or pick up young girls in bars/nightclubs. Just my thoughts.

ohh no bro not you lol..all these other guys

[fish-o-haulic]

dont quit your day job bro

yea ill keep that in mind cuz apparently you did and look what happened to you. But hey anyway i suppose when you go out to corona or sarl and are out there fishing for trout for hours for nothing i guess itll be because you just dont know how to fish the lake apparently. Hey when you get back from your skunk trip i suggest going back and looking at the article smokehound copied and pasted for you. I think it describes you well.

[Mr T-rex]

yea ill keep that in mind cuz apparently you did and look what happened to you. But hey anyway i suppose when you go out to corona or sarl and are out there fishing for trout for hours for nothing i guess itll be because you just dont know how to fish the lake apparently. Hey when you get back from your skunk trip i suggest going back and looking at the article smokehound copied and pasted for you. I think it describes you well. thank you i appreciate that :)

[fish-o-haulic]

lol you guys are funny..getting all mad like if this is ur job calm down, i will outfish all of you

calm down I'm not mad because your rediculous posts humor me.

[Mr T-rex]

calm down I'm not mad because your rediculous posts humor me. rediculous ??

[fish-o-haulic]

rediculous ??

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/ridiculous

[seal]

rediculous ??

Damn now your even questioning your own posts, now that's 'ridiculous'!

[Mr T-rex]

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/ridiculous learn how to spell its rediculous lol and ignorance is "an" terrible thing lol good job bro.. have a good evening and take care

[Mr T-rex]

lean how to spell its rediculous lol and ignorance is "an" terrible thing lol good job bro.. have a good evening and take care learn lol my bad

[fish-o-haulic]

Damn now your even questioning your own posts, now that's 'ridiculous'!

thats why i felt it necessary to leave a link to the definition of the word. though I'm not sure he'll understand it. But explaining it myself would've taken too long.

[fish-o-haulic]

learn how to spell its rediculous lol and ignorance is "an" terrible thing lol good job bro.. have a good evening and take care

so sad you start correcting your own posts. oh well. just another soul the education system was wasted on.

[phishin phool]

hey seal, gotta love these newbs goin at it eh?

[phishin phool]

Its their money(Corona/SARL), quit yer (yep, I said yer) crying. If they want to spend their own money and stock fish(which are privately raised to be caught and killed) who the heck do you think you are, judging them, dont like it......dont fish. If your cool with it, go get em! Personaly, I'll wait a month or so.:Big Grin:

[fish-o-haulic]

Personaly, I'll wait a month or so.:Big Grin:

Ill second that. I think its a waste of a stock to put em in too hot of water, but hey if these lakes know what there doing who am i to judge. Im not a biologist.

[seal]

hey seal, gotta love these newbs goin at it eh?

I find it very intirtaining:LOL:!

[fish-o-haulic]

I find it very intirtaining:LOL:!

glad i give you something to be entertained by

[seal]

glad i give you something to be entertained by

Oh fish-o you are not the one that is "entertaining" me on this thread:Wink:!

[E.A.R.G.]

WHAT the hell happened here.

I THOUGHT this thread was about a trout opener lol

[IncredibleHuck]

WHAT the hell happened here.

I THOUGHT this thread was about a trout opener lol

Yuuuuuup!!!!

[Marley]

WHAT the hell happened here.

I THOUGHT this thread was about a trout opener lol

WHO WENT FISHING TODAY?????? and HOW DID YOU DO?????? Gonna have to post up pics for this one, though.

[sapdawg11]

I love opportunities to go fish...each and every one of them!!! I don't know how many insane experiences I've had on the water when I skipped the debate in going out and just picked up and went. Not because I read that it was wide open online, not because I caught fish the last time out, not because of a detailed hydrologic report and definitely not because I saw that ______ pounds of fish were recently planted, but just because I wanted to go fishing. There is nothing better than hitting the water in the driving rain/wind/cold water/warm water or any other crappy condition that should keep you home and still being able to put the pieces together and knock this fishing game out of the park. And there is ABSOLUTELY nothing that drives me crazier than staying home and having to hear about it from someone else. It's the kind of stuff that keeps me up at night!! (just ask me about fishing WSB this year, good grief!) And as many times as things have been "insane" out there when all signs pointed to "no", I've missed completely and ended up going home humbled and empty handed. But each and every time I've gone, one thing for certain is that I spent a day doing and learning more about what I love to do and the opportunity was always there to be the guy to raise the flag, to be the person that let's everyone else know that they were late to pull the trigger, that they really missed out. That kind of anticipation is what drives many of us and you just can't feel it as much as you should unless you're getting out on the water every chance you get.

Putting the puzzle pieces together is the name of the game and this week you'll have the initial crack at playing with pieces that we've all missed since last season. I came online and saw this just today and just about jumped out of my skin as even I had no idea this was coming! This is an initial stocking. You absolutely could go out there and miss completely and in all likelihood, you may not have the fishing you can expect to have later in the season. But you could also do the opposite of the expected and be one of the first ones to do so this season, slamming a few rainbows months before "later in the season". And if you hit it and the technicolor slimers ain't chewing, there are plenty of other fish in the water to target and lots of opportunities to score including a fresh plant of cats. The lakes are simply serving you up another option and completely your call if you want to take a swing at it. I can guarantee that none of the money paid for this extra stocking will be automatically taken out of your paycheck. Independent of whether you think it's too hot, the sky is too blue, the stars aren't aligned just right or the water is too/not enough ______, if you have the time and the opportunity to fish this weekend, go fishing wherever the water takes you. Last weekend there were at least 1,000,000 different options to chase in so cal, this weekend there will be at least 1,000,001 and that extra 1 has my light tackle already spread all over the living room and my wife none too pleased about it! Oh well, she'll get over it...she's been through it before!!! Have an absolute blast out there guys and girls no matter where you end up fishing...

...and dat thar iz alls I's gots to says bouts thats!!

[Surfnsnowboard3]

I love opportunities to go fish...each and every one of them!!! I don't know how many insane experiences I've had on the water when I skipped the debate in going out and just picked up and went. Not because I read that it was wide open online, not because I caught fish the last time out, not because of a detailed hydrologic report and definitely not because I saw that ______ pounds of fish were recently planted, but just because I wanted to go fishing. There is nothing better than hitting the water in the driving rain/wind/cold water/warm water or any other crappy condition that should keep you home and still being able to put the pieces together and knock this fishing game out of the park. And there is ABSOLUTELY nothing that drives me crazier than staying home and having to hear about it from someone else. It's the kind of stuff that keeps me up at night!! (just ask me about fishing WSB this year, good grief!) And as many times as things have been "insane" out there when all signs pointed to "no", I've missed completely and ended up going home humbled and empty handed. But each and every time I've gone, one thing for certain is that I spent a day doing and learning more about what I love to do and the opportunity was always there to be the guy to raise the flag, to be the person that let's everyone else know that they were late to pull the trigger, that they really missed out. That kind of anticipation is what drives many of us and you just can't feel it as much as you should unless you're getting out on the water every chance you get.

Putting the puzzle pieces together is the name of the game and this week you'll have the initial crack at playing with pieces that we've all missed since last season. I came online and saw this just today and just about jumped out of my skin as even I had no idea this was coming! This is an initial stocking. You absolutely could go out there and miss completely and in all likelihood, you may not have the fishing you can expect to have later in the season. But you could also do the opposite of the expected and be one of the first ones to do so this season, slamming a few rainbows months before "later in the season". And if you hit it and the technicolor slimers ain't chewing, there are plenty of other fish in the water to target and lots of opportunities to score including a fresh plant of cats. The lakes are simply serving you up another option and completely your call if you want to take a swing at it. I can guarantee that none of the money paid for this extra stocking will be automatically taken out of your paycheck. Independent of whether you think it's too hot, the sky is too blue, the stars aren't aligned just right or the water is too/not enough ______, if you have the time and the opportunity to fish this weekend, go fishing wherever the water takes you. Last weekend there were at least 1,000,000 different options to chase in so cal, this weekend there will be at least 1,000,001 and that extra 1 has my light tackle already spread all over the living room and my wife none too pleased about it! Oh well, she'll get over it...she's been through it before!!! Have an absolute blast out there guys and girls no matter where you end up fishing...

...and dat thar iz alls I's gots to says bouts thats!!

Let me first say I highly respect you and always like to hear what you have to say. I look forward to tubing with you on the water soon.

But in this case, you fail to respond to many of us on here's main point/concern. Let me ask you a question. IF some of the trout die due to the water temp being too high , would you agree the trout should not have been planted?

[smokehound]

Let me first say I highly respect you and always like to hear what you have to say. I look forward to tubing with you on the water soon.

But in this case, you fail to respond to many of us on here's main point/concern. Let me ask you a question. IF some of the trout die due to the water temp being too high , would you agree the trout should not have been planted?Oh jeeze. That's a tricky question. :LOL:

[IncredibleHuck]

Let me first say I highly respect you and always like to hear what you have to say. I look forward to tubing with you on the water soon.

But in this case, you fail to respond to many of us on here's main point/concern. Let me ask you a question. IF some of the trout die due to the water temp being too high , would you agree the trout should not have been planted?

hmmmmm????????

[sapdawg11]

I appreciate the kind words and am looking forward to sharing the water with you again soon too!

I think I did answer the question in my way but absolutely, I can be more clear...not a tricky question, a good question!!!

As an angler

If 95% of the fish planted during an EXTRA stocking that I am NOT paying extra for don't make it, no skin off of my back. If the lakes are willing to shell out the dough for the possibility of me being able to catch a few fish, let's do it!! If I'm standing at the craps table and someone says, "hey, you wanna play this $20 for me?", I normally try to refrain from asking them, "well, what if I lose it? Do you think this is a good idea? But you worked hard for your $20, you should really invest in gold with that money." No, I throw that Jackson on the pass line and hope to pull a free buffet out of the thing!!

Would it suck to see a truckload of trout go belly up the minute they hit the water, of course. But I've also seen a truckload of Jack Daniels spilled on the freeway and while the thought of all of that sweet nectar going down the drain seemed like an awful waste, it didn't alter my bottom line!!! Some portion of EVERY SINGLE STOCKING will not make it and those fish don't go to waste, they are eaten by birds and are added to the fat bellies of the homeguard catfish I've been tugging on all summer. And if only 5% of the fish survive, that's more trout that are now swimming about than were in the water last week and again, I DIDN'T PAY ANY EXTRA FOR THEM TO BE THERE!!!

Truth is, I was catching trout well into June when the water was in the mid to upper 70's. In fact, the first fish in this video...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QfFDeTBm8SE
was a trout caught this last June, long after the final stocking of trout and just before the water entered the 80's. And I wasn't the only one. The "After Hours" contingency of trout fishermen was quietly having a field day out there when most people had put the light gear away. Kirk called me about a week before that June video was shot with a report of a 30 fish day!! I'm not a fish biologist so I dunno the first thing about trout physiology. I'm a fisherman and after many years of research I've learned one very important thing...if there are no trout in the water, I do not catch trout BUT if trout are in the water, it is possible to catch trout. I know I know, far fetched but I'm fairly certain that's a fact ;)


If I were a lake owner...

A truckload of trout going belly up (aka, a whole bunch of wasted money) would kill me and I would not put them in the water if I wasn't sure that a substantial portion of those fish would be caught rather than consumed by the local bird population. These fish are friggin' expensive and any private lake owner that has been doing this for decades would understand that they aren't in the business of boiling fish.


I guess what I'm saying here is that I would be EXTREMELY hard pressed to think of additional fish being stocked as a bad thing. If the lakes are paying for an extra stocking, they are doing so because they feel confident in their investment otherwise, what would be the point!?!? Would I venture out to the Lakes with the mindset that "if I don't pound my limit of trout in 30 minutes, I'm going to be pissed!"? No way! I would take this as a bonus and putting a few on the stringer would be an awesome start to the season and would be bragging rights for you (at least among my group of friends!). It is difficult to reconcile customers screaming out to a pay-to-fish lake, "NO!! DO NOT PUT FISH IN THE WATER! THEY MIGHT DIE!!" Year round those fish go in, then they die, be it on the end of your line or by some other non-anthropogenic cause. However, those fish being in the water presents the opportunity to catch them that wouldn't have been there had the fish not been stocked. And me likey to catchey more fishey so BRING 'EM ON!!!

[Surfnsnowboard3]

I appreciate the kind words and am looking forward to sharing the water with you again soon too!

I think I did answer the question in my way but absolutely, I can be more clear...not a tricky question, a good question!!!

As an angler

If 95% of the fish planted during an EXTRA stocking that I am NOT paying extra for don't make it, no skin off of my back. If the lakes are willing to shell out the dough for the possibility of me being able to catch a few fish, let's do it!! If I'm standing at the craps table and someone says, "hey, you wanna play this $20 for me?", I normally try to refrain from asking them, "well, what if I lose it? Do you think this is a good idea? But you worked hard for your $20, you should really invest in gold with that money." No, I throw that Jackson on the pass line and hope to pull a free buffet out of the thing!!

Would it suck to see a truckload of trout go belly up the minute they hit the water, of course. But I've also seen a truckload of Jack Daniels spilled on the freeway and while the thought of all of that sweet nectar going down the drain seemed like an awful waste, it didn't alter my bottom line!!! Some portion of EVERY SINGLE STOCKING will not make it and those fish don't go to waste, they are eaten by birds and are added to the fat bellies of the homeguard catfish I've been tugging on all summer. And if only 5% of the fish survive, that's more trout that are now swimming about than were in the water last week and again, I DIDN'T PAY ANY EXTRA FOR THEM TO BE THERE!!!

Truth is, I was catching trout well into June when the water was in the mid to upper 70's. In fact, the first fish in this video...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QfFDeTBm8SE
was a trout caught this last June, long after the final stocking of trout and just before the water entered the 80's. And I wasn't the only one. The "After Hours" contingency of trout fishermen was quietly having a field day out there when most people had put the light gear away. Kirk called me about a week before that June video was shot with a report of a 30 fish day!! I'm not a fish biologist so I dunno the first thing about trout physiology. I'm a fisherman and after many years of research I've learned one very important thing...if there are no trout in the water, I do not catch trout BUT if trout are in the water, it is possible to catch trout. I know I know, far fetched but I'm fairly certain that's a fact ;)


If I were a lake owner...

A truckload of trout going belly up (aka, a whole bunch of wasted money) would kill me and I would not put them in the water if I wasn't sure that a substantial portion of those fish would be caught rather than consumed by the local bird population. These fish are friggin' expensive and any private lake owner that has been doing this for decades would understand that they aren't in the business of boiling fish.


I guess what I'm saying here is that I would be EXTREMELY hard pressed to think of additional fish being stocked as a bad thing. If the lakes are paying for an extra stocking, they are doing so because they feel confident in their investment otherwise, what would be the point!?!? Would I venture out to the Lakes with the mindset that "if I don't pound my limit of trout in 30 minutes, I'm going to be pissed!"? No way! I would take this as a bonus and putting a few on the stringer would be an awesome start to the season and would be bragging rights for you (at least among my group of friends!). It is difficult to reconcile customers screaming out to a pay-to-fish lake, "NO!! DO NOT PUT FISH IN THE WATER! THEY MIGHT DIE!!" Year round those fish go in, then they die, be it on the end of your line or by some other non-anthropogenic cause. However, those fish being in the water presents the opportunity to catch them that wouldn't have been there had the fish not been stocked. And me likey to catchey more fishey so BRING 'EM ON!!!

I would LOVE to get in a debate with you about politics, or God, or life, or ANYTHING because you are good.

I can't help but think that you, I or anybody else kicking around a lake on a tube seeing dead fish belly up in hot water would think "This wasn't necessary. This is a shame." That's a simple fact I don't think we can debate, even with a limit of live fish.

IN MY OPINION, this is a gamble by the lake owner as a marketing ploy to claim "We were the first to stock trout." Then all the trout fisherman come flooding to the lake and more business. BUT, if that is at the cost of dead fish due to high water temps, I don't think that is RIGHT.

[vanillagurilla]

If the fish can make it from the hatchery to the lake they will be fine, your guys water temps are probly surface temps and i bet the lake is deeper then 2' lol. when summer rolls around do thousands of trout die off? no, the water is deep enough and dirty enough i belive, for them to survive thru the summer.

[Surfnsnowboard3]

If the fish can make it from the hatchery to the lake they will be fine, your guys water temps are probly surface temps and i bet the lake is deeper then 2' lol. when summer rolls around do thousands of trout die off? no, the water is deep enough and dirty enough i belive, for them to survive thru the summer.

Obviously you know very little about Corona lake. Corona Lake is a VERY shallow lake and yes to your question.

[Marley]

I so want to explode on this... but I won't. My reply to this thread had absolutely nothing to do with just going fishing, it addressed the Lake's propensity to boil their first plant(s) just to be the first to have trout. The fish they bought are their fish and the logical extension of that is that they can do with them what they please. Oddly enough, California DFG agrees with that. But one has a husbandary responsibility when he tends an animal (or a crop) that requires that you give it reasonable care in expectation for its survival to market. In this case, that means waiting until the water is cool enough for the fish being planted.
I will always voice my objection to SARL and Corona planting their fish under these conditions and will harbor no embarassment or regret for doing so.
BTW, to compare a load of living, breathing trout to a tanker of bourbon is ridiculous.

[socal_native]

I'm not sure where the “don't stock trout now because it's too warm" crowd is coming from.

1. These are STOCKED trout. They are stocked to be CAUGHT, and thus killed. So your ecological-naturalist-no dead fish stance seems out of place. These are not fish put into their natural habitat to breed, maintain or grow a population of a species.

2. It seems like you are more against the owners of Corona Lake for doing what they consider running a good business. Are they taking a chance with the fish? Maybe. Is to too hot for trout? Maybe. Some die every stocking, no matter the water or air temps. Plus most of the stocked fish are caught within days. So they are close to their maximum life-span.

3. The precious resources argument is odd too. These are not "our" resources. They have been raised by a privately owned entity for the purpose of being stocked and caught by fishermen or possibly sold to restaurants or markets. These are not the last lot of trout specimen on the planet and they should be considered very much like all of the other domesticated animals raised as a food source. You may not like that fact, but that is how it is.

Do I want to go somewhere and see or find many dead animals or fish? No. But I don't want to go and find trash left behind by others either, or wait in lines, or pay high fees, etc.

The OP was simply posting about a stocking of trout.
Nothing more.
You can do what you want with the information.
And stating your opinion, like me, is one of those things.

It seems fairly obvious that a lot on this board go out of their way to prop up some of their fav places and knock others.

To each, their own.

I'm going fishing.

[Marley]

I'm not sure where the “don't stock trout now because it's too warm" crowd is coming from.

1. These are STOCKED trout. They are stocked to be CAUGHT, and thus killed. So your ecological-naturalist-no dead fish stance seems out of place. These are not fish put into their natural habitat to breed, maintain or grow a population of a species.


No reason to put them into water that is far too warm.


2. It seems like you are more against the owners of Corona Lake for doing what they consider running a good business. Are they taking a chance with the fish? Maybe. Is to too hot for trout? Maybe. Some die every stocking, no matter the water or air temps. Plus most of the stocked fish are caught within days. So they are close to their maximum life-span.


(If you are talking about me) I am one of their biggest supporters and defenders and they will tell you that. If you care to look back at my posts you will see that evidence clearly.


3. The precious resources argument is odd too. These are not "our" resources. They have been raised by a privately owned entity for the purpose of being stocked and caught by fishermen or possibly sold to restaurants or markets. These are not the last lot of trout specimen on the planet and they should be considered very much like all of the other domesticated animals raised as a food source. You may not like that fact, but that is how it is.


Again, no good reason to mistreat it. Nothing at all odd about it.


Do I want to go somewhere and see or find many dead animals or fish? No. But I don't want to go and find trash left behind by others either, or wait in lines, or pay high fees, etc.


You see trash left behind by others alongside wild trout streams. Unfortunately, there are slobs who fish.


The OP was simply posting about a stocking of trout.
Nothing more.
You can do what you want with the information.
And stating your opinion, like me, is one of those things.

It seems fairly obvious that a lot on this board go out of their way to prop up some of their fav places and knock others.


This is very true. Again, if you are directing this comment to me, take some time in between your 13 posts and dig through the archives.


To each, their own.

I'm going fishing.

Good luck. And post up a report!

[TheAsianGuy]

1. These are STOCKED trout. They are stocked to be CAUGHT, and thus killed. So your ecological-naturalist-no dead fish stance seems out of place. These are not fish put into their natural habitat to breed, maintain or grow a population of a species.

Either stocked for wild, you have to understand that the fishes take a while to reach their large sizes. They are bred by human to grow big fast, but think about this for a moment, how long does it take for the fish over 1lb to grow even with force feeding every day that still swim well, rather than waddling in the water like an overstuffed gold fish? Either stocked or wild trouts, we want that special catch to give a nice fight, or at least, a nice tugging during the haul in. I don't want to bite into a fish after the catch that filled with nothing but sagging fat on it. Simply throw in such stocked fishes because they're nice and fat just to have large fishes is an ill-logic approach, even if you have plenty of money to spend. But like everyone said, no skin of our backs..but truly blood in our eyes.



2. It seems like you are more against the owners of Corona Lake for doing what they consider running a good business. Are they taking a chance with the fish? Maybe. Is to too hot for trout? Maybe. Some die every stocking, no matter the water or air temps. Plus most of the stocked fish are caught within days. So they are close to their maximum life-span.

I'm proud that the owners took the initiative to stock huge fishes in the lake for the anglers to chase after. I'm by all mean be against the owners of the lake, nor the ones that breed the fishes. When I hear the fishes get dumped into the lakes in the mountains, I packed my family up when I can and hit the waters. If you haven't witnessed the stocking procedure yet, I would say you should attend at least one. After dumping the fishes in the water, the fishes were disoriented. All they did was swimming around the surface of the water, and get their orientation from spending all that time in the slushing tank. It may take any where between 1 hour to 10 hours, depending on the vitality of the fishes during the adjustment to the orientation and the acclamation of their body temps to the water temp going from one water temp to another. Thermal shock situation. That's why a few die along the transition. You then have quite a few fishes lingering on the surface of the water, where the surface water temp is quite high of the recent days. During daytime adjustment, fishes die to temperature exposure. However, unless the fish stocking occur during the very early part of the day, lower chance of surface temp exposure would occur before the fishes reach partial acclamation. Unless the fishes were straved for a few days before, during, and after transport, it will take them at least 5 days to reach feeding criteria. You have to study up on fish biology both in isolation and in the wild. Plenty of studies done on them. I'm glad to share. DockRat will have plenty of opportunity to chime in.



3. The precious resources argument is odd too. These are not "our" resources. They have been raised by a privately owned entity for the purpose of being stocked and caught by fishermen or possibly sold to restaurants or markets. These are not the last lot of trout specimen on the planet and they should be considered very much like all of the other domesticated animals raised as a food source. You may not like that fact, but that is how it is.

"Our resources" is a correct term to use. Common groundwater or surface water is drawn in to use. Part of the water is then released back into air, ground, or other surface water in polluted form. So, who's cleaning it up? Us, the tax dollars of the people. Where do you think SARL gets its water? Were do you think SARL dumps its water into? Do the research on both the water pollutants and the concentrated level. When fishes go belly up, think about the decay process that impact the water quality. Now take that, and create domino effects from SARL Newport Beach. You're talking to an environmental scientist here (not a tree huger), who has the love for the fishing and the care for our resources that being impacted upon. After all, it's not just my resources that being impacted, it's all of ours. It will take too long to explain in details, but I'll just sum it up and leave it at this point as an open ended debate. Unless you start the long and frenzy discussion, in which I love of course, let's ease out so everyone can keep a level mind without boiling over.


It seems fairly obvious that a lot on this board go out of their way to prop up some of their fav places and knock others.

If there is fish, I'll fish. We don't knock one site down, and favor another site. We balance things out. Visit a place that have easy access for boats, floats, and toys in comparison x total costs x time spent searching for the fishes. Then use a common denominator of the catches x the fun of the fights.

By all means, please, have fun, and report back your results if you visit the lake today up to a week from now. Let us know of the catches that you land. We're always interested in knowing.

[Mr T-rex]

learn lol my bad


Its their money(Corona/SARL), quit yer (yep, I said yer) crying. If they want to spend their own money and stock fish(which are privately raised to be caught and killed) who the heck do you think you are, judging them, dont like it......dont fish. If your cool with it, go get em! Personaly, I'll wait a month or so.:Big Grin: thank you bro thank you :)

[luvdaoutdoors]

I love the early stocking debates. For those of us who do decide to go to corona it just means it won't be as crowded.

[Mr T-rex]

learn lol my bad


I love the early stocking debates. For those of us who do decide to go to corona it just means it won't be as crowded. yes sir.. while they are overhere crying over the early stocking we are fishing :)

[Surfnsnowboard3]

yes sir.. while they are overhere crying over the early stocking we are fishing :)

I've made my decision. You're an idiot.

[fish-o-haulic]

I've made my decision. You're an idiot.

buddy ive made that decision a long time ago.

[HBAR]

Hey Sap just think you could do it in a "toon" instead of a "tube" LOL,



OH it's still available!!!

[guide]

all you people dont know anything. i catch trout until 81 degree water temp. if you dont believe me come watch the show at irvine

[phishin phool]

i'm not sure where the “don't stock trout now because it's too warm" crowd is coming from.

1. These are stocked trout. They are stocked to be caught, and thus killed. So your ecological-naturalist-no dead fish stance seems out of place. These are not fish put into their natural habitat to breed, maintain or grow a population of a species.

2. It seems like you are more against the owners of corona lake for doing what they consider running a good business. Are they taking a chance with the fish? Maybe. Is to too hot for trout? Maybe. Some die every stocking, no matter the water or air temps. Plus most of the stocked fish are caught within days. So they are close to their maximum life-span.

3. The precious resources argument is odd too. These are not "our" resources. They have been raised by a privately owned entity for the purpose of being stocked and caught by fishermen or possibly sold to restaurants or markets. These are not the last lot of trout specimen on the planet and they should be considered very much like all of the other domesticated animals raised as a food source. You may not like that fact, but that is how it is.

Do i want to go somewhere and see or find many dead animals or fish? No. But i don't want to go and find trash left behind by others either, or wait in lines, or pay high fees, etc.

The op was simply posting about a stocking of trout.
Nothing more.
You can do what you want with the information.
And stating your opinion, like me, is one of those things.

It seems fairly obvious that a lot on this board go out of their way to prop up some of their fav places and knock others.

To each, their own.

I'm going fishing.

dude you nailed it!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Surfnsnowboard3]

all you people dont know anything. i catch trout until 81 degree water temp. if you dont believe me come watch the show at irvine

People like you crack me up. Do you know the difference between Irvine and Corona? DEPTH. Depth=trouts survival in warm temps. Corona ain't got it.

[Surfnsnowboard3]

dude you nailed it!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Actually the post after his NAILED it in which each point was broken down and OWNED.

[TheAsianGuy]

People like you crack me up. Do you know the difference between Irvine and Corona? DEPTH. Depth=trouts survival in warm temps. Corona ain't got it.

:LOL: Surfnsnowboard3, you crack me up so many times. Well, we have to give those who argued for SARL a few point of optimism. Irvine lake does have depth, and on top of that, also turbidity (the cloudiness of the water due to sediment and organic matters). Light scatters quite a bit at the surface, and warm the top up, leaving the bottom a bit cooler. Same goes for SARL. Unfortunate, as you have pointed out, SARL don't have the necessary depth. I also indicated that the disorientation of the fishes during acclamation process will kill them due to the high surface temperature, down to 3 feet to be exact.

But, we are who we are right? Let's just leave it at that. Things like this will just expedite the closure of the lake, and many other private lakes for fishing purposes thereof, due to the unnecessary concentration of BOD, COD, nitrate+nitrite, phosphate, bacteria, TDS, TSS, which of course, adversely affect human health. DFG, Dept of Health, and County will go to town with the site soon enough due to irresponsible activities. Trust me when I say I'm not dogging or cursing the site, but rather, wise oversights of the future with collective knowledge. But for now, let's stop the bashing, and FISH ON, SARL! Tight lines guys.

[Kelster]

dude you nailed it!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Totally agree with both. Wet a line and enjoy life today, because tomorrow probably sucks.

[phishin phool]

Actually the post after his NAILED it in which each point was broken down and OWNED.

Quit worrying about what other people do with their property.

[TheAsianGuy]

Quit worrying about what other people do with their property.

True..at the same time, make sure those who do things with their properties don't cause problems for the rest of those around them :Wink: Good neighbors, good friends, good stewards, good life. Amen.

[Surfnsnowboard3]

Quit worrying about what other people do with their property.

Seriously? That's the argument you're going to use. They can do what they want with THEIR property? Wow, unbelievable.

[fish-o-haulic]

Seriously? That's the argument you're going to use. They can do what they want with THEIR property? Wow, unbelievable.

surfnsnowboard just let em argue what there gonna argue. then when all these people come back to the boards and start bitchin about all the dead trout everywhere theyll see what we were talking about.

[Matt44]

My buddy went down and fished today just to check it out said the lake looked nasty said he did see some dead fish and he caught two on chart mini jigs and seen about 4 fish caught total haha sounds like its super wide open hahaha

[Marley]

... Good neighbors, good friends, good stewards, good life. Amen.
Amen!
There are those who call themselves fishermen who never experience the outdoors. They neither see nor enjoy what surrounds them, never harbor a compassion for that which they take, never develop an appreciation or thankfulness for the experience.
I hope I am never like that.

See you on the water.

[fish-o-haulic]

To me this is what ever, when i go fishing i got to relax. some people on the board seem to go with other reasons(often to catch someone in the act of breaking a law seems like). I dont care so much about them stocking,i think its great that corona and sarl want to stock. Just sayin seems to be a waste to stock a bunch of fish that will more likely than not die. I come from a family where we waste nothing, and grew up where it seems everybody wastes everything. The subject overall doesnt affect, but when a few people wanted to be smartasses on the subject thats what irks me. But overall its a fishing forum the things that get to people on here is sort of strange. This overall subject of the stocking isnt what ticked me off, its when someone decided to leave a totally unprovoked dumb coment. I apologize for aiding in leading this thread astray though. Im done with the subject, cuz this seems to just be another one of those subjects on here that leads to drama.

[TroutOnly]

if the surface is to hot ,they will go to deepest spot on the lake,,,but how deep is the lake,,,,,,,,,,

[Surfnsnowboard3]

if the surface is to hot ,they will go to deepest spot on the lake,,,but how deep is the lake,,,,,,,,,,

Bout 30 feet

[etucker1959]

if the surface is to hot ,they will go to deepest spot on the lake,,,but how deep is the lake,,,,,,,,,,
My fish graph said 21 feet last week.

[TheAsianGuy]

My fish graph said 21 feet last week.

So, let's say 21 is the average, where as 30 is when it's flooded due to the heavy rains. first 3 feet is critical, since the first 3 feet get hit by the ambient air temp. Temp flux from 3 to 7 feet by 3 to 5 degrees due to thermacline exchange for shallow water. 7 to 15 feet is adjustment thermal zone that flux between 1 to 2 degrees. 15 feet and beyond is considered as a safe zone that can anywhere be between 5 to 10 degrees different that surface. So, there may be a probability that the trouts may live. However, that lake is overcrowded due to prior stockings of cats, and existing unknown population of several fish species. There may be a war for space and food resources. On a few strong stockers will survive. The rest...hm..your guess is good as mine. Hope you guys been hauling out the stockers since last Wednesday?

[phishin phool]

I'm just curious, how much you have fished Corona Lake?
So, let's say 21 is the average, where as 30 is when it's flooded due to the heavy rains. first 3 feet is critical, since the first 3 feet get hit by the ambient air temp. Temp flux from 3 to 7 feet by 3 to 5 degrees due to thermacline exchange for shallow water. 7 to 15 feet is adjustment thermal zone that flux between 1 to 2 degrees. 15 feet and beyond is considered as a safe zone that can anywhere be between 5 to 10 degrees different that surface. So, there may be a probability that the trouts may live. However, that lake is overcrowded due to prior stockings of cats, and existing unknown population of several fish species. There may be a war for space and food resources. On a few strong stockers will survive. The rest...hm..your guess is good as mine. Hope you guys been hauling out the stockers since last Wednesday?

[TheAsianGuy]

I'm just curious, how much you have fished Corona Lake?

In the course of 17 years that I know about the lake, 12 times. Skunked, 6 times along the shore. Scored twice big on a row boat with a avid SARL angler (DFG personnel, fish there at least twice per month, which will remain nameless since he desired to remain anonymous). 4 times times on tubes, and scored mediocre. Fished all different seasons, twice after one day after planting, and after learning about fishes biology and behaviors, between one to two weeks after planting. Hope that shares my history as a SARL angler.

[phishin phool]

I asked how much have you fished Corona Lake not SARL. Or am I reading your reply wrong?
In the course of 17 years that I know about the lake, 12 times. Skunked, 6 times along the shore. Scored twice big on a row boat with a avid SARL angler (DFG personnel, fish there at least twice per month, which will remain nameless since he desired to remain anonymous). 4 times times on tubes, and scored mediocre. Fished all different seasons, twice after one day after planting, and after learning about fishes biology and behaviors, between one to two weeks after planting. Hope that shares my history as a SARL angler.

[TheAsianGuy]

I asked how much have you fished Corona Lake not SARL. Or am I reading your reply wrong?

12 times :LOL: just 12 at Corona/SARL. 18 times at Irvine.

[E.A.R.G.]

where is Mr. Trex?
He was supposed to tell us how he did

[smokehound]

where is Mr. Trex?
He was supposed to tell us how he didTRex forecast: Partly fail, 100 percent chance of skunk.

[IncredibleHuck]

where is Mr. Trex?
He was supposed to tell us how he did

I wonder the same thing!

[Poxy Boggards]

In my experience at both Santa Ana and Corona, it seems like the water at Corona seems to get cold fast when the weather starts to change.

I went to SARL a couple of years ago for the first trout stocking, and the fish were sluggish and would not bite. We saw the trout cruising the shallows by the boat ramp, but they were not interested at all in biting. The next week I went to Corona, and the fish were on the chew.

I for one am thankful for the bonus stocking as it will only increase the trout population in the lake. Even if 50% or more die off that is still roughly 500 pounds of trout that will be quite hungry once the temps are in the preferred range for trout. Thanks SARL/Corona management team!

Is this a ploy to lure the trout anglers out of hibernation? Hell yes it is, and who can blame the lake for wanting to get people (reads money) through the gate. I think sometimes people forget that SARL/Corona owners are running a business and looking to make a profit.

I for one hope that they continue with the early stocks, it will only make it that much better when I get out there on my first drift.

Good luck to all, and can't wait to get on some trout locally!

[phishin phool]

I for one am thankful for the bonus stocking as it will only increase the trout population in the lake. Even if 50% or more die off that is still roughly 500 pounds of trout that will be quite hungry once the temps are in the preferred range for trout. Thanks SARL/Corona management team!

Is this a ploy to lure the trout anglers out of hibernation? Hell yes it is, and who can blame the lake for wanting to get people (reads money) through the gate. I think sometimes people forget that SARL/Corona owners are running a business and looking to make a profit.

I for one hope that they continue with the early stocks, it will only make it that much better when I get out there on my first drift.

Good luck to all, and can't wait to get on some trout locally!
Thats what I'm talking about!:Applause: Although I doubt 50% will die.

[phishin phool]

Corona and SARL are as different as they can be eco-wise, and you still didn't answer the question. And even if you have fished Corona say 6 times, I dont think that qualifies you to make the quote "However, that lake is overcrowded due to prior stockings of cats, and existing unknown population of several fish species." Corona is a very diverse lake with quite a bit of structure which could handle sevreral different species. You seem like a guy who is pretty knowledgable about fishing however you shouldnt make statements about a fishery you are not very familar with. I dont mean to be a jerk but it gets old when I see people talk smack about Corona when they dont really know anything about the lake in the first place or have been a few times and had not as good fishin as they had hoped.
12 times :LOL: just 12 at Corona/SARL. 18 times at Irvine.

[Marley]

...I for one am thankful for the bonus stocking as it will only increase the trout population in the lake...

There were no trout in the lake before the plant so there was no population to increase; they all died BECAUSE THE WATER WAS TOO HOT.

[TheAsianGuy]

Corona and SARL are as different as they can be eco-wise, and you still didn't answer the question. And even if you have fished Corona say 6 times, I dont think that qualifies you to make the quote "However, that lake is overcrowded due to prior stockings of cats, and existing unknown population of several fish species." Corona is a very diverse lake with quite a bit of structure which could handle sevreral different species. You seem like a guy who is pretty knowledgable about fishing however you shouldnt make statements about a fishery you are not very familar with. I dont mean to be a jerk but it gets old when I see people talk smack about Corona when they dont really know anything about the lake in the first place or have been a few times and had not as good fishin as they had hoped.

Sorry not to be too clear. 12 total at both locations. Not sure how many time at the Anaheim-SARL. However, Corona, I remembered going there at least 10 times. I distinctively remember not wanting to go to the lower lake, the so called Anaheim-SARL after a visit or two. I did take a sample of the water quality to compare to the minimum fish breeding and sustaining environment just for my own personal purposes while attending school studying about environmental sciences, attempting to understand the macrobiology components of the man-intervention habitat. Not dogging or putting any site down at all. I wish we have more fishing ground that man can create and sustain for angling fun. It's been 17 years. Can't remember how many times I've invested per site since the management was and still is maintaining by the same ownership group with clustered group name. I still have DFG called the sites as uppper and lower SARLs, rather than Corona or Anaheim lake. So, I keep using Corona site as Corona-SARL and Anaheim location as Anaheim-SARL to fully distinguish the location of the Santa Ana River chained lakes. Correct me if I'm wrong.

[TheAsianGuy]

There were no trout in the lake before the plant so there was no population to increase; they all died BECAUSE THE WATER WAS TOO HOT.

Oh..just out of curiosity, has anyone remembered or heard that there was any fish species study during the species off-season for anyone of the SAR's lakes? Just curious.

[etucker1959]

Wow!!! an answer by science, not speculation.

[Marley]

Oh..just out of curiosity, has anyone remembered or heard that there was any fish species study during the species off-season for anyone of the SAR's lakes? Just curious.

It doesn't take a study to know that a 21-foot-deep body of water resting in a basin in which summer temperatures regularly exceed 100 degrees will at some point be devoid of a fish species requiring cool water in which to survive.
If I'm not mistaken, one of the issues The Lakes is currently fighting (thankfully so) is an effort to mandate that they do just the kind of studies you are asking about. So I seriously doubt that anyone has ever done such a study.

[JohnnyBoy]

The only reason I even read this thread was to see if the rumors I heard were true. I'll be damned if they weren't true. Don't you guys have anything else better to do than to criticize the staff that Corona/Sarl ?

If they decide that they want to experiment and drop 1,000 pounds of fish into their lake that's their right as "OWNERS". Why do you even care ? If the fish die they die, just food for those catfish who are floating around in that lake, if they don't die, and sit around till the water cools down, then GREAT, we catch them later.

Why don't you guys get a life and leave Craig and his staff alone. With the amount of fish they drop into their lakes, they go out of their way to provide you with a great fishing experience and for some of you troglodytes the only fishing experience your going to have. Please see defenition for those of you who don't know the word.

trog·lo·dyte noun \ˈträ-glə-ˌdīt\

Definition of TROGLODYTE
1: a member of any of various peoples (as in antiquity) who lived or were reputed to live chiefly in caves
2: a person characterized by reclusive habits or outmoded or reactionary attitudes

[Marley]

The only reason I even read this thread was to see if the rumors I heard were true. I'll be damned if they weren't true. Don't you guys have anything else better to do than to criticize the staff that Corona/Sarl ?

If they decide that they want to experiment and drop 1,000 pounds of fish into their lake that's their right as "OWNERS". Why do you even care ? If the fish die they die, just food for those catfish who are floating around in that lake, if they don't die, and sit around till the water cools down, then GREAT, we catch them later.

Why don't you guys get a life and leave Craig and his staff alone. With the amount of fish they drop into their lakes, they go out of their way to provide you with a great fishing experience and for some of you troglodytes the only fishing experience your going to have. Please see defenition for those of you who don't know the word.

trog·lo·dyte noun \ˈträ-glə-ˌdīt\

Definition of TROGLODYTE
1: a member of any of various peoples (as in antiquity) who lived or were reputed to live chiefly in caves
2: a person characterized by reclusive habits or outmoded or reactionary attitudes

Now, there's an intelligent response. Even includes a defenition (sic). Rather than offer up anything informative, you resort to name calling. How mature.

[Mr T-rex]

The only reason I even read this thread was to see if the rumors I heard were true. I'll be damned if they weren't true. Don't you guys have anything else better to do than to criticize the staff that Corona/Sarl ?

If they decide that they want to experiment and drop 1,000 pounds of fish into their lake that's their right as "OWNERS". Why do you even care ? If the fish die they die, just food for those catfish who are floating around in that lake, if they don't die, and sit around till the water cools down, then GREAT, we catch them later.

Why don't you guys get a life and leave Craig and his staff alone. With the amount of fish they drop into their lakes, they go out of their way to provide you with a great fishing experience and for some of you troglodytes the only fishing experience your going to have. Please see defenition for those of you who don't know the word.

trog·lo·dyte noun \ˈträ-glə-ˌdīt\

Definition of TROGLODYTE
1: a member of any of various peoples (as in antiquity) who lived or were reputed to live chiefly in caves
2: a person characterized by reclusive habits or outmoded or reactionary attitudes

thank you bro.. these guys have nothing better else to do than to critize just shut up and fish :)

[JohnnyBoy]

Marley,

I have to agree with you that this was not the best response. I was just so tired of hearing everyone rip on the staff at Corona that I felt compelled to reply on their behalf. If I offended you, I in no way meant to offend you in particular. In a nutshell, to borrow from Rodney King. Can't we all just fish and get along.

JohnnyBoy

[IncredibleHuck]

thank you bro.. these guys have nothing better else to do than to critize just shut up and fish :)

How did you do?

[Marley]

Marley,

I have to agree with you that this was not the best response. I was just so tired of hearing everyone rip on the staff at Corona that I felt compelled to reply on their behalf. If I offended you, I in no way meant to offend you in particular. In a nutshell, to borrow from Rodney King. Can't we all just fish and get along.

JohnnyBoy

Oh-so-agreed. This got so DAMNED blown out of proportion! I love fishing those lakes as much as and probably more than most people and have been fishing them since before many on this board were even born. And if you have ever read my posts, you know that I defend the operations often. I don't like this one particular thing they do but then that's just me (well, apparently NOT; I just won't bring it up again).
But I agree. Stick a 6/0 Super Mutu in it, it's done. Let's go fishing.

[Mr T-rex]

How did you do? i dont fish at corona lake..i fish at sarl

[seal]

When did a discussion about planting trout in warm water become a "rip on the staff" at Corona Lake?

For some reason in this day and age discussions with differences of opinions automatically get raised to the level of "ripping" or other negative words (the one I despise most is "hating"). Many just seemed to have the need to defend the FishingLakes from some of us that were just posting our opinions on early season trout stockings. What has it come to? Opinions on buisness practices automatically means that you are trashing the buisness? I think those in charge have bigger shoulders than that and can take a little critique or just plain comments on the early stocking of fish.

This thread I believe got blown out of proportion by some that have done a fairly poor job of defending the practice of stocking early. Some made valid points, it's their fish and they can do what they want being one of them also that it is a publicity attempt to claim first stocking of the season (trout wars gotta love um!), but some that defended just got butt hurt for to me unknown reasons.

Life is full of opinions, maybe we were wrong and all the fish are alive and will be beautiful holdovers to be caught later in the season but one point that I believe was not wrong is that the conditions of the lake were not condusive to providing a good trout bite and some just wanted to point that out to others that may have been a little overly excited about this early trout stocking.

[Big Daddy]

There is an old saying if you don't have anything good to say then don't say anything. They did want they wanted to, when they wanted to just like all of us always do. It's just that some set here waiting to criticize anything and everything. Just like for what I just posted watch, it will be the same people almost everytime. They tried something if it works HERO if it dosen't Zero but they did not ask any of use to go in on the cost of these fish they did it there self. I for one hope it turns out good so I can take grand kids there. I love all the different fish this lake has to offer us. At least they have Tried:Applause:

[seal]

There is an old saying if you don't have anything good to say then don't say anything. They did want they wanted to, when they wanted to just like all of us always do. It's just that some set here waiting to criticize anything and everything. Just like for what I just posted watch, it will be the same people almost everytime.

There is another old saying "to each his own", there is a wide variety of characters on FNN that have different personalities, some of us like a good discussion, some think a discussion is a debate or a negative, to each his own.

Yup I'm the first one up, YIPPY!

[IncredibleHuck]

i dont fish at corona lake..i fish at sarl

LOL but you said you were going this weekend! What changed your mind?

[IncredibleHuck]

When did a discussion about planting trout in warm water become a "rip on the staff" at Corona Lake?

For some reason in this day and age discussions with differences of opinions automatically get raised to the level of "ripping" or other negative words (the one I despise most is "hating"). Many just seemed to have the need to defend the FishingLakes from some of us that were just posting our opinions on early season trout stockings. What has it come to? Opinions on buisness practices automatically means that you are trashing the buisness? I think those in charge have bigger shoulders than that and can take a little critique or just plain comments on the early stocking of fish.

This thread I believe got blown out of proportion by some that have done a fairly poor job of defending the practice of stocking early. Some made valid points, it's their fish and they can do what they want being one of them also that it is a publicity attempt to claim first stocking of the season (trout wars gotta love um!), but some that defended just got butt hurt for to me unknown reasons.

Life is full of opinions, maybe we were wrong and all the fish are alive and will be beautiful holdovers to be caught later in the season but one point that I believe was not wrong is that the conditions of the lake were not condusive to providing a good trout bite and some just wanted to point that out to others that may have been a little overly excited about this early trout stocking.


Exactly!!!!!

[Mr T-rex]

LOL but you said you were going this weekend! What changed your mind? just to get you guys mad lol.. i fish at santa ana river lakes because its closer to me

[Poxy Boggards]

There were no trout in the lake before the plant so there was no population to increase; they all died BECAUSE THE WATER WAS TOO HOT.

LOL, really? How do you come to the presumption that all the fish died Marley?

[IncredibleHuck]

just to get you guys mad lol.. i fish at santa ana river lakes because its closer to me

Way to be a troll! That really helps your stance now....

[Marley]

LOL, really? How do you come to the presumption that all the fish died Marley?

Because I, like the others who attempted to discuss this, actually thought things through and came to an informed conclusion.
Try re-reading the replies to the posts. I think it might help answer your question.

Hint: Look at page 11 closely

[fish-o-haulic]

When did a discussion about planting trout in warm water become a "rip on the staff" at Corona Lake?

For some reason in this day and age discussions with differences of opinions automatically get raised to the level of "ripping" or other negative words (the one I despise most is "hating"). Many just seemed to have the need to defend the FishingLakes from some of us that were just posting our opinions on early season trout stockings. What has it come to? Opinions on buisness practices automatically means that you are trashing the buisness? I think those in charge have bigger shoulders than that and can take a little critique or just plain comments on the early stocking of fish.

This thread I believe got blown out of proportion by some that have done a fairly poor job of defending the practice of stocking early. Some made valid points, it's their fish and they can do what they want being one of them also that it is a publicity attempt to claim first stocking of the season (trout wars gotta love um!), but some that defended just got butt hurt for to me unknown reasons.

Life is full of opinions, maybe we were wrong and all the fish are alive and will be beautiful holdovers to be caught later in the season but one point that I believe was not wrong is that the conditions of the lake were not condusive to providing a good trout bite and some just wanted to point that out to others that may have been a little overly excited about this early trout stocking.

I never bashed the staff, dont no when anyone did that but ok. well said seal.

[fish-o-haulic]

Way to be a troll! That really helps your stance now....

I think that would literally make him the exact definition of a troll if im not mistaken.

[phishin phool]

I'm not sure which "corona" lake your are talking about AG. The one I'm talking about is in Temescal Valley off the 15 fwy at Indian Truck trail. As far as I have known this lake is also known as Lee Lake and was/is part of the Lee Lake water district/WMWD and gets its water from northern Calif via the Mills pipeline if I'm not mistaken. It is owned and operated by the Elliot family. It is around 20-25 miles from the Santa Ana watershed. As far as an upper and lower SARL.....man you got me there. I have been fishing so cal for 35 years and never heard of that. Unless you are talking about Anaheim lake which is part of the SAR watershed. Maybe Craig will see this and set us both straight.
Sorry not to be too clear. 12 total at both locations. Not sure how many time at the Anaheim-SARL. However, Corona, I remembered going there at least 10 times. I distinctively remember not wanting to go to the lower lake, the so called Anaheim-SARL after a visit or two. I did take a sample of the water quality to compare to the minimum fish breeding and sustaining environment just for my own personal purposes while attending school studying about environmental sciences, attempting to understand the macrobiology components of the man-intervention habitat. Not dogging or putting any site down at all. I wish we have more fishing ground that man can create and sustain for angling fun. It's been 17 years. Can't remember how many times I've invested per site since the management was and still is maintaining by the same ownership group with clustered group name. I still have DFG called the sites as uppper and lower SARLs, rather than Corona or Anaheim lake. So, I keep using Corona site as Corona-SARL and Anaheim location as Anaheim-SARL to fully distinguish the location of the Santa Ana River chained lakes. Correct me if I'm wrong.

[fish-o-haulic]

I'm not sure which "corona" lake your are talking about AG. The one I'm talking about is in Temescal Valley off the 15 fwy at Indian Truck trail. This lake is also known as Lee Lake and was/is part of the Lee Lake water district/WMWD and gets its water from northern Calif via the Mills pipeline if I'm not mistaken. It is owned and operated by the Elliot family. It is around 20-25 miles from the Santa Ana watershed. As far as an upper and lower SARL.....man you got me there. I have been fishing so cal for 35 years and never heard of that. Unless you are talking about Anaheim lake which is part of the SAR watershed. Maybe Craig will see this and set us both straight.

I just didnt understand his post. But thats been lately

[5150fishn]

I believe that he is speaking about Anaheim Lake and SARL. Both close together and both used to be alternated for fishing. Use to fish Anaheim Lake alot during trout season back in the day. Anaheim Lake hasn't been open to fishing in quite some time.

[smokehound]

thank you bro.. these guys have nothing better else to do than to critize just shut up and fish :) You started the whole thing, n00b. Then you ran around saying you could outfish everyone.

Here's one of your moronic posts:


lol you guys are funny..getting all mad like if this is ur job calm down, i will outfish all of you Betcha cant outfish me.

[scooba_steve]

Correct me if I'm wrong.

Ok...you talked me into it!!


Sorry not to be too clear. 12 total at both locations. Not sure how many time at the Anaheim-SARL. However, Corona, I remembered going there at least 10 times.

Having the ability to count the number of times you've done something only proves the rarity to which you have done it. And if in total you've visited the lakes 12 times and you've been to Corona at least 10 times, that means that you've been to SARL and/or Anaheim either 0, 1, or 2 times.


I distinctively remember not wanting to go to the lower lake, the so called Anaheim-SARL after a visit or two.

Anaheim Lake and SARL are entirely separate places and are never identified together as "the lower lake". Nor is Corona lumped in as "Corona-SARL" nor is there an "Anaheim-SARL". Entirely separate places.


I did take a sample of the water quality...

You don't sample water quality. You sample water to test for chemical constituents that impact water quality.


...to compare to the minimum fish breeding and sustaining environment just for my own personal purposes while attending school studying about environmental sciences, attempting to understand the macrobiology components of the man-intervention habitat.

There is no such thing as a "man-intervention habitat" in ecology. Man may intervene with ecological structuring, but this intervention does not define a specific habitat. Further, a single water sample (as a side note, when n=1, science cries) will tell you minimal about macrofauna as microorganisms absolutely dominate lake chemistry. In fact, I've never heard nor read of a modern lacustrine study centered on macroscopic taxa and/or community dynamics that utilized a single water sample to understand trends in multiple levels of the macrofaunal hierarchy, which in this case includes macrophagous predators. Not to mention that the trout put into the lakes (ie, the subject of this thread) go through a process during the early stages of development that makes them sterile so a "comparison to the minimum fish breeding..." is also a bit problematic.


Not dogging or putting any site down at all. I wish we have more fishing ground that man can create and sustain for angling fun.

I believe that I've read a few times from you that "the lakes are using a state owned resource and that they should pay for the damage they have done." I guess that is intended as a show of support for privately ran fishing lakes and encouragement for others to jump into the scene?


It's been 17 years. Can't remember how many times I've invested per site since the management was and still is maintaining by the same ownership group with clustered group name.

I can help here...12 times total...at both sites. Minimum of 10 at Corona, maximum of 2 at SARL/Anaheim/"the lower lake".


I still have DFG called the sites as uppper and lower SARLs, rather than Corona or Anaheim lake. So, I keep using Corona site as Corona-SARL and Anaheim location as Anaheim-SARL to fully distinguish the location of the Santa Ana River chained lakes.

DFG does not refer to Corona and SARL as single bodies of water. If they did, they may as well lump in Lake Perris, Lake Elsinore and the Pacific Ocean with the group. Corona Lake isn't even on the Santa Ana River. And "upper" and "lower" would be complete misnomers as SARL consists of 3 lakes that we fish and a number of other standing bodies of water that we don't fish. Unless there is upper, lower, upper middle, lower upper middle upper, lower lower middle upper, etc., the naming scheme just will not work.


Oh..just out of curiosity, has anyone remembered or heard that there was any fish species study during the species off-season for anyone of the SAR's lakes? Just curious.

Yes, hundreds of anglers participate in this type of survey daily. They report that there are trout, catfish, an assorted variety of panfish, carp, bass, sturgeon and at least a few mysterious mega goldfish swimming about. You too can partake in this study with a 13th visit to the lakes.


I'm a huge fan of the lakes and I'm a huge fan of fishing. Thank you for the awesome times in the past and the many more that I know are to come in the future. You have a lot of fans out here and this kind of stuff sure inspires me to be a whole lot more vocal! Keep up the great work and keep the fish coming!!!

[etucker1959]

I'm not sure which "corona" lake your are talking about AG. The one I'm talking about is in Temescal Valley off the 15 fwy at Indian Truck trail. As far as I have known this lake is also known as Lee Lake and was/is part of the Lee Lake water district/WMWD and gets its water from northern Calif via the Mills pipeline if I'm not mistaken. It is owned and operated by the Elliot family. It is around 20-25 miles from the Santa Ana watershed. As far as an upper and lower SARL.....man you got me there. I have been fishing so cal for 35 years and never heard of that. Unless you are talking about Anaheim lake which is part of the SAR watershed. Maybe Craig will see this and set us both straight.
The Asian Guys description of Corona lake and SARL decoded are the following. Corona lake/SARL lake= (Corona lake) also when he talks about the upper SARL he means Corona lake. SARL/Anaheim= (SARL) also when he talks about lower SARL he means SARL. I know this because my dad talks this way.

[phishin phool]

Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh...............................?:E xplode:
the asian guys description of corona lake and sarl decoded are the following. Corona lake/sarl lake= (corona lake) also when he talks about the upper sarl he means corona lake. Sarl/anaheim= (sarl) also when he talks about lower sarl he means sarl. I know this because my dad talks this way.

[phishin phool]

Wow scooba, 6 mos. and this is your first post.........great job! :Applause:
Ok...you talked me into it!!



Having the ability to count the number of times you've done something only proves the rarity to which you have done it. And if in total you've visited the lakes 12 times and you've been to Corona at least 10 times, that means that you've been to SARL and/or Anaheim either 0, 1, or 2 times.



Anaheim Lake and SARL are entirely separate places and are never identified together as "the lower lake". Nor is Corona lumped in as "Corona-SARL" nor is there an "Anaheim-SARL". Entirely separate places.



You don't sample water quality. You sample water to test for chemical constituents that impact water quality.



There is no such thing as a "man-intervention habitat" in ecology. Man may intervene with ecological structuring, but this intervention does not define a specific habitat. Further, a single water sample (as a side note, when n=1, science cries) will tell you minimal about macrofauna as microorganisms absolutely dominate lake chemistry. In fact, I've never heard nor read of a modern lacustrine study centered on macroscopic taxa and/or community dynamics that utilized a single water sample to understand trends in multiple levels of the macrofaunal hierarchy, which in this case includes macrophagous predators. Not to mention that the trout put into the lakes (ie, the subject of this thread) go through a process during the early stages of development that makes them sterile so a "comparison to the minimum fish breeding..." is also a bit problematic.



I believe that I've read a few times from you that "the lakes are using a state owned resource and that they should pay for the damage they have done." I guess that is intended as a show of support for privately ran fishing lakes and encouragement for others to jump into the scene?



I can help here...12 times total...at both sites. Minimum of 10 at Corona, maximum of 2 at SARL/Anaheim/"the lower lake".



DFG does not refer to Corona and SARL as single bodies of water. If they did, they may as well lump in Lake Perris, Lake Elsinore and the Pacific Ocean with the group. Corona Lake isn't even on the Santa Ana River. And "upper" and "lower" would be complete misnomers as SARL consists of 3 lakes that we fish and a number of other standing bodies of water that we don't fish. Unless there is upper, lower, upper middle, lower upper middle upper, lower lower middle upper, etc., the naming scheme just will not work.



Yes, hundreds of anglers participate in this type of survey daily. They report that there are trout, catfish, an assorted variety of panfish, carp, bass, sturgeon and at least a few mysterious mega goldfish swimming about. You too can partake in this study with a 13th visit to the lakes.


I'm a huge fan of the lakes and I'm a huge fan of fishing. Thank you for the awesome times in the past and the many more that I know are to come in the future. You have a lot of fans out here and this kind of stuff sure inspires me to be a whole lot more vocal! Keep up the great work and keep the fish coming!!!

[phishin phool]

:Big Smile:I wonder if Adrian_Torut_Bass ever thought his original post would end up here and with 130 replies.

[Marley]

:Big Smile:I wonder if Adrian_Torut_Bass ever thought his original post would end up here and with 130 replies.

Probably scared him. I think it would scare me!

[Marley]

:Big Smile:I wonder if Adrian_Torut_Bass ever thought his original post would end up here and with 130 replies.

Probably one of the most serious thread hijacks I have ever seen. Sorry man!

[Mr T-rex]

Way to be a troll! That really helps your stance now.... sure bob !!!!

[E.A.R.G.]

AHAHAHHA HE DIDN'T EVEN FISH THERE!
WE WERE ALL WAITING TO SEE HOW YOU DID! AND YOU DIDN'T EVEN GO?!?!
you are the definition of epic fail!

[IncredibleHuck]

AHAHAHHA HE DIDN'T EVEN FISH THERE!
WE WERE ALL WAITING TO SEE HOW YOU DID! AND YOU DIDN'T EVEN GO?!?!
you are the definition of epic fail!

Yep! Epic Fail!

[fish-o-haulic]

Ok...you talked me into it!!



Having the ability to count the number of times you've done something only proves the rarity to which you have done it. And if in total you've visited the lakes 12 times and you've been to Corona at least 10 times, that means that you've been to SARL and/or Anaheim either 0, 1, or 2 times.



Anaheim Lake and SARL are entirely separate places and are never identified together as "the lower lake". Nor is Corona lumped in as "Corona-SARL" nor is there an "Anaheim-SARL". Entirely separate places.



You don't sample water quality. You sample water to test for chemical constituents that impact water quality.



There is no such thing as a "man-intervention habitat" in ecology. Man may intervene with ecological structuring, but this intervention does not define a specific habitat. Further, a single water sample (as a side note, when n=1, science cries) will tell you minimal about macrofauna as microorganisms absolutely dominate lake chemistry. In fact, I've never heard nor read of a modern lacustrine study centered on macroscopic taxa and/or community dynamics that utilized a single water sample to understand trends in multiple levels of the macrofaunal hierarchy, which in this case includes macrophagous predators. Not to mention that the trout put into the lakes (ie, the subject of this thread) go through a process during the early stages of development that makes them sterile so a "comparison to the minimum fish breeding..." is also a bit problematic.



I believe that I've read a few times from you that "the lakes are using a state owned resource and that they should pay for the damage they have done." I guess that is intended as a show of support for privately ran fishing lakes and encouragement for others to jump into the scene?



I can help here...12 times total...at both sites. Minimum of 10 at Corona, maximum of 2 at SARL/Anaheim/"the lower lake".



DFG does not refer to Corona and SARL as single bodies of water. If they did, they may as well lump in Lake Perris, Lake Elsinore and the Pacific Ocean with the group. Corona Lake isn't even on the Santa Ana River. And "upper" and "lower" would be complete misnomers as SARL consists of 3 lakes that we fish and a number of other standing bodies of water that we don't fish. Unless there is upper, lower, upper middle, lower upper middle upper, lower lower middle upper, etc., the naming scheme just will not work.



Yes, hundreds of anglers participate in this type of survey daily. They report that there are trout, catfish, an assorted variety of panfish, carp, bass, sturgeon and at least a few mysterious mega goldfish swimming about. You too can partake in this study with a 13th visit to the lakes.


I'm a huge fan of the lakes and I'm a huge fan of fishing. Thank you for the awesome times in the past and the many more that I know are to come in the future. You have a lot of fans out here and this kind of stuff sure inspires me to be a whole lot more vocal! Keep up the great work and keep the fish coming!!!

wow your first post and this is what you choose to post. i can tell what having you on this forum will be like.

[Mr T-rex]

Yep! Epic Fail! ill outfish you anywhere anytime so shut your fat *** up and get on a diet

[fish-o-haulic]

ill outfish you anywhere anytime so shut your fat *** up and get on a diet

wow insult on someones weight. Your cool, Nice to see that little kids frequent the site as well:Rolls Eyes:

[Mr T-rex]

wow insult on someones weight. Your cool, Nice to see that little kids frequent the site as well:Rolls Eyes: he asked for it

[fish-o-haulic]

he asked for it

This post says it all. I am now convinced that this is a 10 year old kid on the other side of this computer. Besides what did you expect him to call you a the best fisherman ever. You kinda just trolled a thread here.

[smokehound]

ill outfish you anywhere anytime so shut your fat *** up and get on a dietNo you wont.


''DFG does not refer to Corona and SARL as single bodies of water. If they did, they may as well lump in Lake Perris, Lake Elsinore and the Pacific Ocean with the group. Corona Lake isn't even on the Santa Ana River. And "upper" and "lower" would be complete misnomers as SARL consists of 3 lakes that we fish and a number of other standing bodies of water that we don't fish. Unless there is upper, lower, upper middle, lower upper middle upper, lower lower middle upper, etc., the naming scheme just will not work. ''

Here's the deal "Scooba_Steve", Corona lake DOES get some of its water from the santa ana river. After all, it's virtually right next to it. Its actually hard to find a body of water in socal that isnt fed by the colorado and santa ana river.

[TheAsianGuy]

This is why I'm so involved with this forum site over the others. Plenty of things to learn, and much more active. I don't claim to be the teacher, the know-it-all, or the best and brightest. I'm simply a student teaching students, and definitely a fisherman who fish for more info. By the way guys and gals, don't consider this thread as being hijacked. Either by opinions or by facts, it's a learning thread. Plenty of things in here that can be used as information.



Having the ability to count the number of times you've done something only proves the rarity to which you have done it. And if in total you've visited the lakes 12 times and you've been to Corona at least 10 times, that means that you've been to SARL and/or Anaheim either 0, 1, or 2 times.

Anaheim Lake and SARL are entirely separate places and are never identified together as "the lower lake". Nor is Corona lumped in as "Corona-SARL" nor is there an "Anaheim-SARL". Entirely separate places.

DFG does not refer to Corona and SARL as single bodies of water. If they did, they may as well lump in Lake Perris, Lake Elsinore and the Pacific Ocean with the group. Corona Lake isn't even on the Santa Ana River. And "upper" and "lower" would be complete misnomers as SARL consists of 3 lakes that we fish and a number of other standing bodies of water that we don't fish. Unless there is upper, lower, upper middle, lower upper middle upper, lower lower middle upper, etc., the naming scheme just will not work.


Recounting all visitation for all sites can be a nightmare when you attempt recall every fishing event from every site, unless you have perfect photographic memory. I'm not one of those people. Best recall I had was 12. Thus, 10 or more at Corona/Corona-SARL/Lee Lake, and 2 distinct times at Anaheim/Anaheim-SARL/SARL. Since I have manage to get some more fact straight that the Anaheim lake was indeed closed, then that lake became obsolete in my statement. However, I did manage to fish that lake twice from my recollection. Call me old, call me senile, but that's all I can remember from that lake. As for the naming monikers of each lake, those who fish those lakes get the lakes name mixed up as well. They either refer the lake to the original name as "Lee Lake", or the Corona Lake, or quick identification as Corona-SARL (notice the missing "s" behind the SARL), as the lake connector to the Santa Ana River chained lakes. Same goes with the Anaheim lake that belongs to the SAR chained lakes. The "upper" and "lower" SARLs defined the locale of the lakes in relation to the business ownership of the properties, since the business had adopted the acronyms that were confusing to start out with. Why not call the lake in Corona, previous known as Lee Lake, as Corona Lake, and the SARLs as Anaheim SARLs. This allows the City's location to be known as a prefix, and the name of the lakes to be fully identified as the suffix. Extreme clarity. Since I gathered that everyone here in agreement that "SARLs" is at the Anaheim location, and "Corona" is in Corona, I'll make adjustment to identifying the locations in accordance. See how much one can learn for adjustment?



You don't sample water quality. You sample water to test for chemical constituents that impact water quality.


Water quality sampling is a process that agencies utilize to monitor for the water quality impacts. This involves both identifying the chemical constituents in the water, both for ambient levels (exist in nature without human contributions), and the introduced levels by human activities, or unforeseen conditions such as natural disasters (sometimes can be called as "Acts of God"). So, water quality sampling is a phrased used as notation for monitoring the water quality impact, in comparing the past, current, and future possibilities of water degradation/improvement through analytical data collected, not just for the chemicals existence, but for additional parameters such as BOD, COD, TSS, TDS, pH that cause impairments to the aquatic species dwelling at the water body.



There is no such thing as a "man-intervention habitat" in ecology. Man may intervene with ecological structuring, but this intervention does not define a specific habitat. Further, a single water sample (as a side note, when n=1, science cries) will tell you minimal about macrofauna as microorganisms absolutely dominate lake chemistry. In fact, I've never heard nor read of a modern lacustrine study centered on macroscopic taxa and/or community dynamics that utilized a single water sample to understand trends in multiple levels of the macrofaunal hierarchy, which in this case includes macrophagous predators. Not to mention that the trout put into the lakes (ie, the subject of this thread) go through a process during the early stages of development that makes them sterile so a "comparison to the minimum fish breeding..." is also a bit problematic.


Observing your moniker, I would say you're either a scuba specialist, or have done work underwater, in which you are very well acquainted with studies of aqua-cultures. What you're referring to is the life history study of man's impacts to natural environment by erecting structures to either aid the recoveries of habitats, such as natural/synthetic materials, for streams, lakes, ponds, or even oceanic locations. When you have a river where man creates a dam, that's man's intervention of the river's hydro-dynamics. When man floods a plain that was not meant to be flooded for agricultural purposes, or even utilized as a man-made swamp for water treatment purposes, that's man-intervention habitat since aquatic species required to be introduced to control vector issues, as well as an unintentional of introduction of wild animal species such as land and/or air. However, my one (1) sample was simply to analyze the current biotic conditions that exist inside that lake's, primarily on pH, TSS, TDS, BOD, COD, turbidity, level of nitrate-nitrite, arsenic, chromium, phosphate, total petroleum hydrocarbons (TPHs), and mercury. These play a critical factor in showing a tale-tale sign whether or not there is habitat degradation, and current proper support to the aquatic species. Heavy metal like chromium as the TPHs do play a heavy role in retarding the fish's mating rate. BOD and COD do play a major role if fishes are willing to feed based on oxygen content within their systems to promote active feeding. Arsenic = fish's death, and so does human. Turbidity is an indicator for TSS and TDS, which impair fish's vision for hunting for those species utilize sight (trouts, basses). Cats, not too much.



I believe that I've read a few times from you that "the lakes are using a state owned resource and that they should pay for the damage they have done." I guess that is intended as a show of support for privately ran fishing lakes and encouragement for others to jump into the scene?


I did indicated that the private lakes are utilized State resources, but not State owned. The water belongs to everyone, thus, monitored by the federal EPA. The water bodies that get monitored constantly are known as Waters of the U.S.. It doesn't mean that Fed or State owns the waters. However, the waters are regulated primarily for human protection, then environmental as secondary. When an entity, business, or even an agency violates the regulatory parameters, acting on behalf of the people and the environment, the local agencies and the state that the waters belong go will enact its legal means. It's like saying, you dumped your trash all over my yard, so, rather than fighting with you, I call the cops to deal with you. The cops have full authority in enforcing you to take care of your garbage and return my yard's conditions back to where it was. Hope that help clears things up.



Yes, hundreds of anglers participate in this type of survey daily. They report that there are trout, catfish, an assorted variety of panfish, carp, bass, sturgeon and at least a few mysterious mega goldfish swimming about. You too can partake in this study with a 13th visit to the lakes.

I'm a huge fan of the lakes and I'm a huge fan of fishing. Thank you for the awesome times in the past and the many more that I know are to come in the future. You have a lot of fans out here and this kind of stuff sure inspires me to be a whole lot more vocal! Keep up the great work and keep the fish coming!!!

I'm a fan of businesses who are willing to go the distant to create a recreational spot for outdoor's men. In this crazy nation of tight regulations, I have to bow down to them for achieving the legal means, resources, and the knowledge to upkeep their businesses. However, just pulling up fishes that doesn't seem to match the amount of fish species going into the water tend to give me plenty of questions to ask, and it bugs the crap out of me to find the answers. Thus, the inquiries. Proper way to fully understand the water body to support that may fish species, in such an amount, required a constant electrocution study. Waste of fishes, but required to fully comprehend what species of fish survived after so many stocking. Perris Lake is constantly monitoring their different fish populations, even though the only stocking in that lake is cats and trouts, and some occasional species from the California Aquifer. One fish death is another's fish foods. Total agreed. But a large amount of fish death from one population may feed other fish populations, but at the same time, impairment to the water quality will also be high. The impairment is mainly focused on human protection, where environmental is secondary. Keep that in mind.

Once again, I'm not against the owners or staff of the lakes, nor any water body that can be fished from. Rather, just sharing my points of concerns with everyone. Debating..possibly, but based on facts that I've collected. Causing troubles? Nope. Informing is much better way to share wisdom and knowledge than constantly stirring the hornest's nests.

[IncredibleHuck]

ill outfish you anywhere anytime so shut your fat *** up and get on a diet

LOL Great job there buddy! Why the anger? Did your mom take your XBOX away again?

I think you are the one who needs to get out there and fish.

[phishin phool]

He said it is not part of the Santa Ana River Watershed....which is true. SARL and Anaheim lakes are. However Temescal Creek which runs through the valley does end up in the SAR, but only during extremely wet seasons or when Lake Elsinore overflows.........extremely rare.
No you wont.


''DFG does not refer to Corona and SARL as single bodies of water. If they did, they may as well lump in Lake Perris, Lake Elsinore and the Pacific Ocean with the group. Corona Lake isn't even on the Santa Ana River. And "upper" and "lower" would be complete misnomers as SARL consists of 3 lakes that we fish and a number of other standing bodies of water that we don't fish. Unless there is upper, lower, upper middle, lower upper middle upper, lower lower middle upper, etc., the naming scheme just will not work. ''

Here's the deal "Scooba_Steve", Corona lake DOES get some of its water from the santa ana river. After all, it's virtually right next to it. Its actually hard to find a body of water in socal that isnt fed by the colorado and santa ana river.

[smokehound]

He said it is not part of the Santa Ana River Watershed....which is true. SARL and Anaheim lakes are. However Temescal Creek which runs through the valley does end up in the SAR, but only during extremely wet seasons or when Lake Elsinore overflows.........extremely rare.Temescal Creek is a tributary of the Santa ana River..

[Adrian_trout_bass]

hahaha i didnt mean to start a riot!!!!i was justbletting you guys know!!xD

[Marley]

hahaha i didnt mean to start a riot!!!!i was justbletting you guys know!!xD

And that was your third post? Holy smokers. Welcome to the boards!