View Full Version : IDENTIFY this mutated fish!! I think its a mutant!!
FishinFireFighter
03-30-2011, 12:44 PM
Ok guys this thing is WEIRD!! Ive asked tons of people and NOONE has a clue. It was caught in silverwood but Ive never seen anything like it. It has the body structure of a largemouth bass, the head of a catfish, mouth of a carp, gill structure of a LMB and the color is a mix between bass and catfish.....WEIRD!!
I also caught this guy funny too, I was using a deep crank and felt a thud so I tried to set the hook and it went slack so I let it sit for a minute to give it another shot at it and a second later another bump, I reeled in the slack and set the hook really hard this time. FISH ON! And BOY did this thing put up a good fight! He was pulling line off my basspro nitro reel and if you dont know, those reels are capable of 17lbs of drag:Shocked: I was thinking it may be a DD bass. Well I finally got him in and realized I had hooked him through the tail:EyePop:.
Heres some pics, I wish I would have shot a video of him.
http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/2264/imag0034v.jpg (http://img84.imageshack.us/i/imag0034v.jpg/)
http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/9678/imag0035ky.jpg (http://img101.imageshack.us/i/imag0035ky.jpg/)
http://img842.imageshack.us/img842/2141/imag0036l.jpg (http://img842.imageshack.us/i/imag0036l.jpg/)
WHAT THE HECK IS IT???
FishinFireFighter
03-30-2011, 12:50 PM
it looks like a Carp!
Not any carp Ive ever seen in this lake! The carp in silverwood have the regular golden large scales...
ghost2uu
03-30-2011, 12:55 PM
It is a squaw fish.
Id have to agree.... they would normally be colored different but it looks like this fish has been in the lake for a long while... im surprised it doesnt have wiskers... and the funny thing is.... the color mimics the Bass! lol.... what a copy cat! lol.
FishinFireFighter
03-30-2011, 12:57 PM
It is a squaw fish.
Dont squawfish have a long slender body though? Also they dont have carp mouths either, lol.
pigdestroyer
03-30-2011, 12:58 PM
It almost looks like a silver carp.
VangFisherman
03-30-2011, 12:58 PM
I've also caught a few of those up in Clifton Court Forebay (near TRACY, CA)...this species of fish is more of like a asian carp family....if you didnt know CCF is also a part of the Aquaducts...Clifton Court forebay,O'Neil forebay,Lake Pyramid,Castaic,Silverwood,DVL are all connected through the Aquaduct....
FishinFireFighter
03-30-2011, 01:00 PM
I've also caught a few of those up in Clifton Court Forebay (near TRACY, CA)...this species of fish is more of like a asian carp family....if you didnt know CCF is also a part of the Aquaducts...Clifton Court forebay,O'Neil forebay,Lake Pyramid,Castaic,Silverwood,DVL are all connected through the Aquaduct....
Nice to know someone else has caught one, that makes me feel better lol.
hey since VangFisherman mentions its all part of the aquaducts, you guys must have caught the same one......honestly, id put it in my koi pond and see what happens. hahaha.....now i want to catch one!
Thanks for the great post with pics by the way!
I say a chubby Sacramento Pikeminnow/Sacramento Squawfish. Would have been nice tosee some better pics of it and the whole fish.
Here's a picture of one.
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It came through the aqueduct system just like the stripers. I actually caught a Sacramento Sucker the other day out of the aqueduct. Very, very rare but it too ended up down here.
DarkShadow
03-30-2011, 01:20 PM
If that's an Asian carp, we're in trouble.
It looks like a squawtrout.
cutbait
03-30-2011, 01:28 PM
Its certainly not a squawfish..
I can say that with 100% certainty
City Dad
03-30-2011, 01:39 PM
Judging by the maxillary/pre-maxillary structure I'd say you foul-hooked yourself some species of chub, dude - and probably a World Record... kudos! (Squawfish have a much larger mouth by body size than that fish does - Aisian carp have eyes that are set way lower in the head.)
DarkShadow
03-30-2011, 01:43 PM
Judging by the maxillary/pre-maxillary structure...
Dude, you're a fish dentist?
That's awesome.
FishinFireFighter
03-30-2011, 01:47 PM
Dude, you're a fish dentist?
That's awesome.
ROFLMAO!!!!! Good laugh thanks...
cutbait
03-30-2011, 01:50 PM
My money is on a Sacremento Blackfish.
http://www.usbr.gov/pmts/tech_services/tracy_research/photos/fish/TracyFishImages058.html
FishinFireFighter
03-30-2011, 01:53 PM
Man, now Im getting kinda mad I didnt take more pics. I told my buddy to snap a bunch and all he got was those three. I was especially bummed about the one on the scale how he totally cut off the important part of identifying a fish. I shoulda layed him out and stretched the fins...
cutbait
03-30-2011, 02:02 PM
Heres a blackfish caught in SJ river
Fins all match, mouth is similar, size is similar,[cept yours is a fatty] color or yours is a shade darker. Scale pattern look the same. Humped back look the same. Forked tail on both, nostrils in same spot.. They are found all the way to Lake Elizabeth
http://ice.ucdavis.edu/aquadiv/fishcovs/bf.gif
Still have my money on Sacremento black fish but I reserve the right to be wrong.
http://i171.photobucket.com/albums/u290/kluna2/blackfish.jpg
reservoir dog
03-30-2011, 02:10 PM
The head obviously looks like a carp but couldn't tell you where that body came from. Although I must say the body resembles somewhat of a bass. Could it be a barp?
City Dad
03-30-2011, 02:13 PM
Dude, you're a fish dentist?
That's awesome.
had to wait 2,527 posts for a reason to use those terms. Don't ruin my moment.
Though I didn't even know they existed before this thread, I gotta vote Blackfish.
DarkShadow
03-30-2011, 02:32 PM
... I gotta vote Blackfish.
Dr Suess has made note of your observation, Dr Dad.
http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/1214/suessd.jpg
Inspector cutbait on the case. Yeah the mouth was throwing me off but the pikeminnow was the closest thing I knew of. That blackfish is most likely it. Even those two look the same but for the lips. At least they do on my small phone screen.
You ever get a Sacramento sucker out of the duct? I got one the other day. My first. Never seen one before in the ducks.
Poseidon
03-30-2011, 02:42 PM
looks like a chum
fish-o-haulic
03-30-2011, 02:49 PM
looks like a chub.
steve_rod99
03-30-2011, 02:58 PM
ive caught a few dozen of those at Hesperia Lake...there like trout mix with white carp...but they have these bloodie dots all over
DarkShadow
03-30-2011, 03:03 PM
....but they have these bloodie dots all over
Hmm...hope you used gloves!
cutbait
03-30-2011, 03:06 PM
looks like a chub.
I've had lots of chubs, and NONE have looked like that
City Dad
03-30-2011, 03:25 PM
Dr Suess has made note of your observation, Dr Dad.
http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/1214/suessd.jpg
Theodor Geisel's scathing indictment of existentialism. An admirable work indeed (though he was Communist and fished Powerbait for trout...) Have you finished it?
Hamachi_Kama
03-30-2011, 03:33 PM
Its not a squawfish. We get alot of squallys up here....looks like some kind of chub. any profile shots of that fish?
Cangler
03-30-2011, 03:38 PM
Nice chub !
http://www.google.com/images?q=uk+chub&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&um=1&ie=UTF-8&source=og&sa=N&hl=en&tab=wi&biw=1013&bih=539
shiznitmyster
03-30-2011, 03:41 PM
looks like a talapia got it on with a LMB and this is the by product
cutbait
03-30-2011, 03:48 PM
Nice chub !
http://www.google.com/images?q=uk+chub&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&um=1&ie=UTF-8&source=og&sa=N&hl=en&tab=wi&biw=1013&bih=539
Scales rule that out
ghost2uu
03-30-2011, 03:57 PM
Cutbait is correct they are Sacramento blackfish, commonly referred to as squawfish.
Posted in year 1999
DWR STARTS FIRST PHASE OF SUPPLEMENTAL
FISHERY RESTORATION PLAN AT SILVERWOOD LAKE
The Department of Water Resources has begun implementing a mitigation plan to revitalize the
bass fishery at Silverwood Lake in northern San Bernardino County, starting with removal of
undesirable fish species from the lake.
A seining boat has begun netting fish from the lake. Less desirable fish--such as carp, goldfish
and Sacramento blackfish--will be removed while gamefish, including bass and trout, will be
returned unharmed to the lake. Removing less desirable fish is expected to encourage expansion
of bass and panfish populations by reducing predation and competition for food.
The seining, which began July 26 and continues during August, marks the opening phase in a
multi-step program to revive bass fishing opportunities at this State Water Project lake.
“We are confident that the new fishery restoration effort designed cooperatively by DFG, DWR
and regional bass anglers can create a thriving bass fishery in Silverwood Lake,” said DWR
Director Thomas M. Hannigan.
CALFISHER4EVR
03-30-2011, 04:08 PM
I think the DFG has a lot of work to do because there is a mass amount of those blackfish over in deep water near the dam on the north east side. Decent size one for sure. Hope they get them because that lake has gone down the drain except for the stocking of fish.
City Dad
03-30-2011, 04:17 PM
uh, oh... I think you may have killed you a member of an endangered species... (http://ucce.ucdavis.edu/datastore/datastoreview/showpage.cfm?usernumber=104&surveynumber=241) CLICK HER (http://ucce.ucdavis.edu/datastore/datastoreview/showpage.cfm?usernumber=104&surveynumber=241)E. But if that's what it is... or was... it was a friggin' huge one!!!
ghost2uu, the blackfish is different than the squawfish. I too thought it might be a squawfish but it is the blackfish for sure.
trail blazer
03-30-2011, 08:06 PM
Heres a blackfish caught in SJ river
Fins all match, mouth is similar, size is similar,[cept yours is a fatty] color or yours is a shade darker. Scale pattern look the same. Humped back look the same. Forked tail on both, nostrils in same spot.. They are found all the way to Lake Elizabeth
http://ice.ucdavis.edu/aquadiv/fishcovs/bf.gif
Still have my money on Sacremento black fish but I reserve the right to be wrong.
http://i171.photobucket.com/albums/u290/kluna2/blackfish.jpg
BINGO,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,Spot on match!!@bako boys .com!
FishinFireFighter
03-30-2011, 08:08 PM
SOLVED!!! Check this out guys! Almost identical to mine
http://www.usbr.gov/pmts/tech_services/tracy_research/photos/fish/TracyFishImages058.html
carpanglerdude
03-30-2011, 09:52 PM
Definitely not a 'squawfish' (name was recently changed to northern pikeminnow by the powers that be). Here's a true squawfish:
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_pIcvdgIMSm8/TFB8mLdMUQI/AAAAAAAAAH4/-YtLO9pq4xc/s320/northern+pikeminnow.jpg
SpadedRanger
03-31-2011, 01:25 AM
Grass carp?
smokehound
03-31-2011, 02:01 AM
Yep definitely a Blackfish. FYI "Squaw" was changed because it's a derogatory term for native americans.
A similar namechange was done with a bird formerly called the "Oldsquaw". I believe they call them Long-Tailed Ducks, now.
jeeze, you scared the hell outta me with this post. because of the foreshortening, it looked like a bighead carp.
Nice fish, anywho.
cutbait
03-31-2011, 06:06 AM
SOLVED!!! Check this out guys! Almost identical to mine
http://www.usbr.gov/pmts/tech_services/tracy_research/photos/fish/TracyFishImages058.html
Did you miss this on like the second page? and what is my reward for your non-mutated fish? bwhaha
goodguy
03-31-2011, 07:33 AM
It's a grass carp
http://www.tnfish.org/PhotoGalleryFish_TWRA/FishPhotoGallery_TWRA/images/SilverCarpAsianCarpMississippiRiverNegus_jpg.jpg
goodguy
03-31-2011, 07:37 AM
another http://fl.biology.usgs.gov/Carp_ID/assets/images/carp_id_image_5.jpg
Hog Caller
03-31-2011, 07:45 AM
ITS A SNAKEHEAD.....AAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!
Run for the hills!...lol
I've caught them on fly's out of Silverwood, not a bad fight actually.
chuxder
03-31-2011, 09:31 AM
Looks like a cross between Sqaw and Carp.Did it smell real fishie. Because sqawfish reaks.
Sublime-Steve
03-31-2011, 02:14 PM
Thats a Lunker Punker...
FishinFireFighter
03-31-2011, 04:31 PM
Did you miss this on like the second page? and what is my reward for your non-mutated fish? bwhaha
Credit goes to you ;) lol. I was just posting that good pic of it.
midgettosser1
03-31-2011, 04:41 PM
Didn't read thru this thread, but what about a Tui Chub?
fish-o-haulic
03-31-2011, 04:49 PM
Didn't read thru this thread, but what about a Tui Chub?
that what i said it looked like. but apparently i was wrong. haha. I love how everyone says Its a squawfish, no its a blackfish, you idiot squawfish and blackfish are the same thing, no there not. that thing looks like a kind of chub. just sayin.
fish-o-haulic
03-31-2011, 04:54 PM
people look at the picture of a tui chub. Now imagine it at the camera angles hes holding it at. Better yet google images it, Im telling you guys it a chub, if not the tui chub some kind of fish in that family.
October
03-31-2011, 04:57 PM
thats a salmon.
/thread
FishinFireFighter
03-31-2011, 07:04 PM
I just googled for images of the tui chub and there is only one image that looked similar......But it looked almost exactly like my fish. Who knows what the hell it is, I just wish I had taken more pics of it dang it!
SpadedRanger
03-31-2011, 07:39 PM
It's a grass carp, I have caught a bunch of them at the wood...on spinner baits, roboworms, even rattletraps, and I showed one to a game warden and he told me it was a grass carp...
troutking
03-31-2011, 08:26 PM
DEFINITELY isnt a squawfish (headshape is wrong:Rolls Eyes::ROFL: and the body is way too fat :ROFL::ROFL::ROFL:) or grass carp( headshape is wrong again) or tui chub(bodyshape is wrong) from the google photos...looks more like a off colored tench or some other species of chub...that would be my closest guess rite now....next time get better pics of the fish's side....
It is a Sacramento Blackfish (Orthodon microlepidotus). It is not the same as a Pikeminnow (Squawfish) or a chub, though they are all in the same family. They are suspension feeders of planktonic algae and zooplankton and feed by pumping water into their mouth where their food collects on mucus secreted by a palatal organ. It then swallows the perverbial "loogie". They are usually caught accidentally and usually on a nightcrawler. They are one of California's native species.
cutbait
04-04-2011, 04:21 PM
They are suspension feeders of planktonic algae and zooplankton and feed by pumping water into their mouth where their food collects on mucus secreted by a palatal organ. It then swallows the perverbial "loogie". .
Reminds me of my ex-wife. Thanks for ruining my day.
******* *****
Bison
04-04-2011, 09:13 PM
it is a grass carp. for sure
That is called a hardhead minnow..same family as the sacramento squaw fish but they max out around 5 lbs and have a much smaller mouth than a squaw fish.
Had no idea they were this far south...they are all over the kern river along with the squaws
viking172
04-06-2011, 08:00 PM
wow that thing is crazy
Good Lord it's a Sacramento Blackfish for the 4th, 5th or 6th time. Now close this thread, lol.
GhettoBasster
04-08-2011, 11:50 AM
Good Lord it's a Sacramento Blackfish for the 4th, 5th or 6th time. Now close this thread, lol.
I'm just glad it's not an Alabama Blacksnake!