Prop 19 DENIED!!!!!!!

[Trout 1]

Sorry fellas.....(for the ones who wanted it)


Andrew

[fishfinder]

It's probably for the best, cause the government would have just pissed away all the tax money anyways.

[Ifishtoolittle]

People will just try to push for it again sometime in the future.

[old pudd fisher]

Kind of glad it was it just could be a problem in the long run.

[smokehound]

Crap man, 19 fails, and 21 passes.

Nice one, drunkards.

[karlkrger]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!

thats the best thing to do while fishing

[Trout 1]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!

thats the best thing to do while fishing

I'd rather catch fish while fishing lol!!!

Andrew

[karlkrger]

thats a given

[troutguy26]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!

thats the best thing to do while fishing

lol that is kinda true..o well, not like we havent been doin it already..and its not legal..o well no harm no foul

[smokehound]

My two cents: The provisional ballots haven't been counted yet.

This isn't over yet. It's going to be 7-9 days later when we know for certain.

[xjdesertfox]

My two cents: The provisional ballots haven't been counted yet.

This isn't over yet. It's going to be 7-9 days later when we know for certain.

lol............

[smokehound]

lol............Oh go get cirrhosis.

[BIG*GAME*HUNTER]

smoking will never stop...think of it this way, has anything the government ever took over went good?
weed, cmon man serious. once it's taken over you can kiss my profits good bye..

[smokehound]

Your profits can suck my angry balls.

[Cangler]

FTW on the stoner vote , that's if they even remembered ...

[Señor.Chilax]

What a surprise... Not! Oh well, there's always next election, and the one after that, and the one after that, and the one after that... I think you know where I'm going with this.

[gavin310]

People are saying they didn't vote for it because it wasn't written well enough and it wasn't solid and there wasn't a real "game plan"... imo ANY game plan is better than no game plan at all and having the industry run by criminals.

[Nessie Hunter]

Never underestimate the Silent Majority.

I have known and had friends all my life who do things that alter their abilities or change their mental state.
From Drinking to much to harder drugs... I try not to judge them. Its who they are..
Just like the people I know that Speed or run stop signs..
Personally, I don like to be impaired at all. It just isnt my thing. At least not on a daily or regular basis.
I might drink about 2 or 3 times a year....

As far as taxes & lessening crime. Thats a joke..
Calif is a gateway and as long as the rest of the States need anything illegal it will pass through Calif..
Taxes?? The freaking liberals dont need any more money to throw at Welfare & supporting Illegals IMHO..
Thats what has broken this country as it is now.....
Out Tax base is way more then we NEED to support our Local Governments and infrastructure now..
It needs to be trimmed not increased....

State Laws do not Usurp Federal laws, so its a waste of time anyway!!!!!!!!!!!!
It would still be ILLEGAL......

I agree with some of you that its not as bad as Alcohol, but still addicting (7% of users & thats a lot) and alters your state of being..

Add all that up & I have to vote NO!!!

I have been reading these threads since they began... WOW....
A few of you need to get with the program and think beyond your own personal WANTS!!!



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[DarkShadow]

Personally, I don like to be impaired at all. It just isnt my thing. Ergo my NO vote...




I have been reading these threads since they began... WOW....
A few of you need to get with the program and think beyond your own personal WANTS!!!


;) you voted based on a personal preference, so in essence, aren't you in the same boat as the people you mention in your second quote?

/devilsadvocate, out

[TaperSteve]

So true DarkShadow, good eye catching that one.

TS

[TaperSteve]

lol............

:Angry:

TS

[xjdesertfox]

Oh go get cirrhosis.

You mad brah? Are you irate? You mirin my flawless victory?

[seal]

Crap man, 19 fails, and 21 passes.

Nice one, drunkards.

Huh???? Prop 21 failed, big time! Prop 19 is going to have to wait, I think the big turnout from retirees probably had an impact they just don't get it. It's a generational thing.

[Nessie Hunter]

;) you voted based on a personal preference, so in essence, aren't you in the same boat as the people you mention in your second quote?

/devilsadvocate, out

I see your point, that needs to be put in context better...


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[Wingnut]

Never underestimate the Silent Majority.

I have known and had friends all my life who do things that alter their abilities or change their mental state.
From Drinking to much to harder drugs... I try not to judge them. Its who they are..
Just like the people I know that Speed or run stop signs..
Personally, I don like to be impaired at all. It just isnt my thing. At least not on a daily or regular basis.
I might drink about 2 or 3 times a year....

As far as taxes & lessening crime. Thats a joke..
Calif is a gateway and as long as the rest of the States need anything illegal it will pass through Calif..
Taxes?? The freaking liberals dont need any more money to throw at Welfare & supporting Illegals IMHO..
Thats what has broken this country as it is now.....
Out Tax base is way more then we NEED to support our Local Governments and infrastructure now..
It needs to be trimmed not increased....

State Laws do not Usurp Federal laws, so its a waste of time anyway!!!!!!!!!!!!
It would still be ILLEGAL......

I agree with some of you that its not as bad as Alcohol, but still addicting (7% of users & thats a lot) and alters your state of being..

Add all that up & I have to vote NO!!!

I have been reading these threads since they began... WOW....
A few of you need to get with the program and think beyond your own personal WANTS!!!


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We think alike Frank. :Wink: :Applause:

[Thisfool]

well by the time i stopped watching the coverage 19 was failing 44%-56% so if you factor in the people who voted no due to the feeling the bill wasn’t written well you could arguably say it would of been closer to 50-50 not saying that it would of been 50-50 or that 19 would of won im just saying it would of been a closer race.

That is a hug victory for pro cannabis use because no matter how you look at it (speaking to anti cannabis people) almost 50% of every one around you wants weed legal that means more people then you think smoke it already, it means that it probably is not as bad as you want it to be and that it will be legal very soon as in mostlikly the 2012 elections.

ps. there i believe 2 other states that voted on the same thing and they had very similar results.

[CL SmooV]

I voted against 19. True, if your an ADULT, its your choice to use this substance. Legally or Illegally. Its none of my business.

My concern were for children. And the ramifications it could produce upon them. The thought of children (today) knowing that a substance that causes immense addictive habits is legal once they turn 18 just scares the heck out of me. I'm a social worker, and Ive worked with an adolescent who started smoking 4xdaily at age 9. Yes, age 9. Indeed he knew it was illegal, but imagine the possible rates of adolescent users like this if society made it legal? I interviewed 20 clients at a YOUTH drug facility once as well, with kids who were addicted to all the hard core stuff: Glass-Crack-Sherm-Heroin. Guess how many told me they went to these drugs because weed wasnt doing the job good enough? 19.

As for that kid who started smoking at 9, because it was the social norm, eventually went chasing a bigger "high" too, got hooked on crack, then meth. He died of an overdose before his 25th bday.

Imagine how many more OD's/Death there could possibly be if prop 19 passed?

Again, I can give a you know what in regards to what adults opt to do recreationally, its none of my business. But in lieu of protecting our children, its our responsibility to protect them.

Voting no on this proposition did just that.

[smokehound]

You mad brah? Are you irate? You mirin my flawless homosexuality?http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v95/qtip58/Pics/son_i_am_disappoint.gif

One thing I can be happy about is the fact that I dont look for a reel that matches my outfit. :LOL:

[GrandNatural]

prop 215 is working just fine ; ) ha

[xjdesertfox]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v95/qtip58/Pics/son_i_am_disappoint.gif

One thing I can be happy about is the fact that I dont look for a reel that matches my outfit. :LOL:

you mad since i dont smoke weed i can afford an outfit?

[fishinone]

I voted against 19. True, if your an ADULT, its your choice to use to use this substance. Legally or Illegally. Its none of my business.

My concern were for children. And the ramifications it could produce upon them. The thought of children (today) knowing that a substance that causes immense addictive habits is legal once they turn 18 just scares the heck out of me. I'm a social worker, and Ive worked with an adolescent who started smoking 4xdaily at age 9. Yes, age 9. Indeed he knew it was illegal, but imagine the possible rates of adolescent users like this if society made it legal? I interviewed 20 clients at a YOUTH drug facility once as well, with kids who were addicted to all the hard core stuff: Glass-Crack-Sherm-Heroin. Guess how many told me they went to these drugs because weed wasnt doing the job good enough? 19.

As for that kid who started smoking at 9, because it was the social norm, eventually went chasing a bigger "high" too, got hooked on crack, then meth. He died of an overdose before his 25th bday.

Imagine how many more OD's/Death there could possibly be if prop 19 passed?

Again, I can give a you know what in regards to what adults opt to do recreationally, its none of my business. But in lieu of protecting our children, its our responsibility to protect them.

Voting no on this proposition did just that.

Well said CL SmooV,

Thanks for your unique perspective.

It's a choice and it can be very bad one. Making it legal so that we can fund our state off of these ill gotten gains is preying on people.

[Thisfool]

I voted against 19. True, if your an ADULT, its your choice to use to use this substance. Legally or Illegally. Its none of my business.

My concern were for children. And the ramifications it could produce upon them. The thought of children (today) knowing that a substance that causes immense addictive habits is legal once they turn 18 just scares the heck out of me. I'm a social worker, and Ive worked with an adolescent who started smoking 4xdaily at age 9. Yes, age 9. Indeed he knew it was illegal, but imagine the possible rates of adolescent users like this if society made it legal? I interviewed 20 clients at a YOUTH drug facility once as well, with kids who were addicted to all the hard core stuff: Glass-Crack-Sherm-Heroin. Guess how many told me they went to these drugs because weed wasnt doing the job good enough? 19.

As for that kid who started smoking at 9, because it was the social norm, eventually went chasing a bigger "high" too, got hooked on crack, then meth. He died of an overdose before his 25th bday.

Imagine how many more OD's/Death there could possibly be if prop 19 passed?

Again, I can give a you know what in regards to what adults opt to do recreationally, its none of my business. But in lieu of protecting our children, its our responsibility to protect them.

Voting no on this proposition did just that.

you know CL when i talked to my mother about this she said the same thing as you. she is a drug and alcohol counselor and a former drug addict her self. i asked her as an addict isnt it true that it is just in your nature to become addicted and move on to harder drugs no mater what you start off with, she said yes. My point is she is and addict the kids you talked to are addicts it is in there nature to behave this way these kids and my mom are not normal people in this manner. a normal person can smoke weed for years and quit with no problem and never want to try other drugs.

My other point I made to my mother is when I was in high school I could randomly walk up to just about any kid and ask if they had pot and if that kid dint have any they would of pointed me directly to some one who dose. How ever if I would of walked up and asked about alcohol I simply would not have been able to get any with out going thru a hug hassle And that is simply because alcohol is not on the black market which means the only place to get it is from a place that will not sale it to me as a minor or to raid and adults alcohol stash.

Getting back to the kids you spoke with. I agree with you that pot can be a gate way drug but I don’t think pot turns people addicts of harder drugs I believe these kids and my mother would have started using harder drugs no matter what they started with. I believe that all these kids and my mother had the same starter drug in common simply because it is so easy to get. It is obvious “the just make it illegal” laws are not taking any pot off the street or making it any harder for kids to get, so why not put it behind a counter where you have to be of legal age to buy. If pot is made as hard to get for minors as alcohol is don’t you think that kids will be older by the time they take there first hit so hopefully with the bit of age and wisdom they have gained in the few extra years they will not move on to harder drugs.

If having pot legal and regulated just like alcohol is a bad idea and would make more kids use it. Why did 19 out of the 20 kids say pot and you dint have more say alcohol. I think it is because either alcohol isn’t cool because it isn’t illegal or because it is much easier to get there hands on pot.

Ps just a little correction the legal age proposed by the bill for some one to buy uses and posses was 21 not 18

[WARRIORMIKE]

I just smoke fish! :Thumbs Up:

[CL SmooV]

Thanks for the coerrection @ thisfool, its 21, not 18.

[smokehound]

you mad since i dont smoke weed i can afford an outfit? Well if you voted yes, that wouldn't have been a problem for me. =)

[Thisfool]

Thanks for the coerrection @ thisfool, its 21, not 18.

not to say you have to respond to what i wrote but is that all you have to say about what i said.

[gavin310]

The thought of children (today) knowing that a substance that causes immense addictive habits is legal once they turn 18 just scares the heck out of me.

You gotta be joking. Have you ever heard of cigarettes?

Everyone seems to be taking EVERYTHING they're afraid of in this world and saying it will become rampant if marijuana is legalized.

First of all, marijuana is NOT addictive in the physical sense. It can be psychologically addictive, and so can just about anything if you have an addictive personality. People who are addicted to alcohol and barbiturates require hospitalization and treatment if they stop consuming it. Marijuana is not physically addictive. It should not be grouped into the same category as truly addictive substances. That's an insult to people who have overcome true addictions.

Want to know why those kids you work with started smoking marijuana? Well, do you know why I stole Playboys from our neighbor when I was 9? Because I wasn't supposed to see them. Do you know why I started smoking cigarettes when I was 10? Because I wasn't supposed to. Do you know why I wanted to drink alcohol at age 11, so I drank half a bottle of tequila and got alcohol poisoning? Because I wasn't allowed to drink it. Do you know why I started smoking marijuana when I was 14? Because I wasn't supposed to. Porno, cigarettes, alcohol, weed... legal or not, it didn't matter. I wasn't supposed to have it so I wanted it. Plus it made me cooler at school.

If anything you're making it more dangerous for "our children". Kids will want to smoke weed because they're not supposed to. To get it, they have to go to drug dealers. Before medical marijuana was legalized in California, getting some weed could turn into a very sketchy and dangerous ordeal. Look what happened once it was legalized? It's much safer.

If you're really serious about protecting our children, go after the real killer. Alcohol.

[CL SmooV]

You gotta be joking. Have you ever heard of cigarettes?

Want to know why those kids you work with started smoking marijuana? .

True, marijuana isnt addictive physically, its predominantly addictve only mentally and emotionally. WAY to point that out to folks.

Ive interviewed and obtained quantitative evidence from well over 200 indivuduals under 18 y/o's, and of that population well over 85% reported they began smoking weed because of peer pressure, not because they were not supposed to. Over 90% of the pop i interviewed reported they "knew" it was illegal and potentially dangerous.

I see the direction of your argument, but I dont give it merit.

[gavin310]

True, marijuana isnt addictive physically, its predominantly addictve only mentally and emotionally. WAY to point that out to folks.

Ive interviewed and obtained quantitative evidence from well over 200 indivuduals under 18 y/o's, and of that population well over 85% reported they began smoking weed because of peer pressure, not because they were not supposed to. Over 90% of the pop i interviewed reported they "knew" it was illegal and potentially dangerous.

I see the direction of your argument, but I dont give it merit.

I don't see how your argument contradicts mine; it supports it. Doing things that are illegal or dangerous is cool to kids, so of course there's peer pressure. There's peer pressure to have sex. There's peer pressure to ditch your classes. And there's peer pressure to do drugs.

[CL SmooV]

not to say you have to respond to what i wrote but is that all you have to say about what i said.

to be honest with ya thisfool, yep thats all i had to say. frankly, I was bored at work and jumped into a thread I typically stay away from. i deal with many studies and reserch subjects dealing with adolescent drug use and report findings to county, state, and fed gov officials. and its depressing! the last thing i wanted to do was go into debates and discussions about this topic on FNN (thats what i get!). this is a site that i use to escape the world, and talk about fishing amongst other anglers. somethin we all have in common ya know?

so i am gonna retire from the GD thread lol....

No matter what side of this prop you are on, get a young one out to the water. im sure we can all vote yes on that.

peace my people

-smoov

[gavin310]

What you really need to work on is giving these kids self esteem. Teach them they don't need to always "fit in" by doing what everyone else is. But that's a whole new argument about our educational system and maybe we shouldn't go there :Wink:

[calico killer kevin]

What you really need to work on is giving these kids self esteem. Teach them they don't need to always "fit in" by doing what everyone else is. But that's a whole new argument about our educational system and maybe we shouldn't go there :Wink:
Wait a second. How can schools teach this when the kids that really need this are the ones skipping school?
Playful question. Chill people, even if this means you have to light the asparagus.

[gavin310]

Wait a second. How can schools teach this when the kids that really need this are the ones skipping school?
Playful question. Chill people, even if this means you have to light the asparagus.

You can't, that's why you have to start when they're younger.

[calico killer kevin]

You can't, that's why you have to start when they're younger.
The begging question is then, does the responsibility lie with the school or the parents?

[WARRIORMIKE]

How to Smoke Fish
From your Barbecues & Grilling Guide (http://bbq.about.com/index.htm)
Smoking fish can be easy if you follow some basic steps. All you need is a smoker, fuel and some fish.
Difficulty Level: Average Time Required: 4 to 6 hours

Here's How:

Use only fresh fish or fish that was quickly frozen.
Clean fish, removing the head, tail, fins, etc.. Also remove any bruised or damaged flesh.
Wash in clean water.
Prepare a salt-water brine of 2 1/2 tablespoons plain salt to 1 cup of water. You need 1 quart of brine for 1 pound of fish.
Place fish in brine for 15 minutes per 1/2-inch thickness of the fish.
Prepare smoker. Plan on smoking for 3 hours plus 30 minutes per pound of fish.
Remove fish from brine and rinse with cold water.
Place fish, skin side down on oiled smoker rack.
Keep the temperature low, around 150
Increase heat after the first 2 hours to around 200
Continue smoking until fish is flaky and cooked through.
Serve immediately or refrigerate. If you don't plan on eating the fish in a couple of days, wrap it tightly and put it in the freezer.


Tips:


To reduce the fishy smell, add 1 teaspoon of lemon juice per cup of brine.
If this is your first try at smoking fish, I recommend not using an expensive fish. Try it out with the couple of cheaper fish until you get the hang of it.

Related Information:

[old pudd fisher]

And then what fish is left over can be rolled up and injoyed in a relaxing smoke.... Sorry I just had to say that and just funnin with WARRIOMIKE.

[gavin310]

The begging question is then, does the responsibility lie with the school or the parents?

Responsibility is definitely with the parents. Schools can only try to help, but if you had sh!tty parents you have some pretty tough obstacles to overcome. Honestly though, it's really the individual. My brother and I both got into hard drugs. I quit doing everything around when I turned 18 because it never felt right and he kept going until he needed rehab twice to get clean. My brother also would always change himself to fit in. He went through like 6 phases during middle and high school. I stayed relatively consistent. But, my mom left when we were young and he was at an age where it would affect him more than me.

But really it's laughable to me seeing all this fuss about something as harmless as marijuana. There's some perfectly legal stuff out there that will make you hallucinate harder than any illegal drug and kill you if you even slightly abuse it. Look up "jimson weed" or watch this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u12SZAyMp54. It makes it so you have very little control over your muscles. If I did have control over my muscles, I would be dead because a person I was talking to (who wasn't really there) convinced me I had to kill myself by taking more of it, but I couldn't move to go get more.

[smokehound]

Responsibility is definitely with the parents. Schools can only try to help, but if you had sh!tty parents you have some pretty tough obstacles to overcome. Honestly though, it's really the individual. My brother and I both got into hard drugs. I quit doing everything around when I turned 18 because it never felt right and he kept going until he needed rehab twice to get clean. My brother also would always change himself to fit in. He went through like 6 phases during middle and high school. I stayed relatively consistent. But, my mom left when we were young and he was at an age where it would affect him more than me.

But really it's laughable to me seeing all this fuss about something as harmless as marijuana. There's some perfectly legal stuff out there that will make you hallucinate harder than any illegal drug and kill you if you even slightly abuse it. Look up "jimson weed" or watch this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u12SZAyMp54. It makes it so you have very little control over your muscles. If I did have control over my muscles, I would be dead because a person I was talking to (who wasn't really there) convinced me I had to kill myself by taking more of it, but I couldn't move to go get more.Solanales are NO joke.

That's the family the well-known belladonna species belongs to. Also known as atropine.

Hey wait. Wasn't atropine the drug that caused heart failure?

DMT can cure depression.

Yet we're giving children Amphetamine Salts? So speed is okay, but pot isn't?

What about the terminally-Ill people that have to resume paying ridiculous fees for their pot?

What about the benefits this could provide to various industries?

What about the FACT that thc shrinks bone tumors?

Just wait 'til 2012. You punks wont be laughing then.

[tpfishnfool]

Dream on Stoners !!! "Sorry Mr Lobowski,, you should grow up and do what your parents did" GET A JOB SIR !!

[Thisfool]

to be honest with ya thisfool, yep thats all i had to say. frankly, I was bored at work and jumped into a thread I typically stay away from. i deal with many studies and reserch subjects dealing with adolescent drug use and report findings to county, state, and fed gov officials. and its depressing! the last thing i wanted to do was go into debates and discussions about this topic on FNN (thats what i get!). this is a site that i use to escape the world, and talk about fishing amongst other anglers. somethin we all have in common ya know?

so i am gonna retire from the GD thread lol....

No matter what side of this prop you are on, get a young one out to the water. im sure we can all vote yes on that.

peace my people

-smoov

thats cool cl i respect that. and i do vote a big Yes to getting a kid out on the water

[DarkShadow]

Just wait 'til 2012.

Speaking of 2012, I don't know why the stoners behind the proposition didn't wait until 2012 to put it on the ballot.

The only way this proposition would have passed is if the young people went out to vote. Apparently, there must have been something on TV since statistics show the young vote never took off on Tuesday. Now there are talks that the proposition failing miserably could have a negative effect when it comes to people's perception of the issue at hand.

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to show that young people NEVER show up during midterm elections.

Now, I have no problem with people who voted NO, as long as their reasoning is legitimate. For example, if you are using the fact that "it is evil and it'll hurt our kids and society," then I would hope that if in 2012, there is legislation that makes alcohol (which has recently been found to be more harmful than heroin), cigarettes, and anything else that can be harmful to society and kids illegal, you will vote YES. As long as that is the case, I have no problems with your reasoning. Just realize that if the same mentality was adopted during the time Prohibition was the law of the land, you'd be rallying against grown adults drinking a beer while watching Monday Night Football because alcohol is a scourge of a society.

Imagine that.

[Thisfool]

Speaking of 2012, I don't know why the stoners behind the proposition didn't wait until 2012 to put it on the ballot.

The only way this proposition would have passed is if the young people went out to vote. Apparently, there must have been something on TV since statistics show the young vote never took off on Tuesday. Now there are talks that the proposition failing miserably could have a negative effect when it comes to people's perception of the issue at hand.

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to show that young people NEVER show up during midterm elections.

Now, I have no problem with people who voted NO, as long as their reasoning is legitimate. For example, if you are using the fact that "it is evil and it'll hurt our kids and society," then I would hope that if in 2012, there is legislation that makes alcohol (which has recently been found to be more harmful than heroin), cigarettes, and anything else that can be harmful to society and kids illegal, you will vote YES. As long as that is the case, I have no problems with your reasoning. Just realize that if the same mentality was adopted during the time Prohibition was the law of the land, you'd be rallying against grown adults drinking a beer while watching Monday Night Football because alcohol is a scourge of a society.

Imagine that.
did it really fail miserably. i dint get to see the final results because Time Warner Cable sucks monkey nuts and my entire area lost service that night but what i did see was it only losing 56%-44% i dont think that is a crushing blow at all that is great. almost half of California think it was a good idea. and there are way more old people stuck in there ways then there are open minded younger people so to get 44% vote yes on a bill that was said to be not very legally sound. and was opposed by all the northern California counties known for growing marijuana as a cash crop is a victory to me.

but in retrospect maybe waiting for 2012 would of been the best idea, but due to preliminary polls i really thought this one had a chance.

[smokehound]

Dear anti-pot child molesters: Kiss my arse.

[Thisfool]

Dear anti-pot child molesters: Kiss my arse.

what are you talking about lol

[DarkShadow]

what are you talking about lol

I think Smokehound tried to get high on life today and got a hold of some bad $h!t.

[gavin310]

Speaking of 2012, I don't know why the stoners behind the proposition didn't wait until 2012 to put it on the ballot.

The only way this proposition would have passed is if the young people went out to vote. Apparently, there must have been something on TV since statistics show the young vote never took off on Tuesday. Now there are talks that the proposition failing miserably could have a negative effect when it comes to people's perception of the issue at hand.

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to show that young people NEVER show up during midterm elections.

Now, I have no problem with people who voted NO, as long as their reasoning is legitimate. For example, if you are using the fact that "it is evil and it'll hurt our kids and society," then I would hope that if in 2012, there is legislation that makes alcohol (which has recently been found to be more harmful than heroin), cigarettes, and anything else that can be harmful to society and kids illegal, you will vote YES. As long as that is the case, I have no problems with your reasoning. Just realize that if the same mentality was adopted during the time Prohibition was the law of the land, you'd be rallying against grown adults drinking a beer while watching Monday Night Football because alcohol is a scourge of a society.

Imagine that.

Finally someone logical. That's the point I've been trying to get across this whole time, but it seems to fall on deaf ears. You're barking up the wrong tree if you're not supporting marijuana because "it'll hurt our kids". Like I said, if you want to SAVE LIVES you need to focus on alcohol and cigarettes. If you want to save the Doritos, by all means focus on marijuana. The anti-marijuana arguments are so easy to invalidate the only way they can keep going is to forgo logic. It's definitely frustrating. You know someone has no logical argument when they use "the children" as their reasoning. They try to use emotion instead of logic to win. I guess I'm a cold hearted bastard 'cause emotion doesn't work on me ;)

[HoLLoW]

That **** isnt stopping me

[BIG*GAME*HUNTER]

prop 19 didn't pass..i guess there gonna stop smoking weed now..

[TaperSteve]

Dream on Stoners !!! "Sorry Mr Lobowski,, you should grow up and do what your parents did" GET A JOB SIR !!

:Angry:

TS

[smokehound]

:Angry:

TSMy thoughts exactly.

[jerryG]

It should be legal? It needs remain illegal! It's harmless, everyone is doing it. It's the gateway to hard drugs and it will kill kids… What I'm getting at here guys is that the argument never ends it just goes back and forth between for and against but it doesn't change the opinions of those on either side. Although I am not a bud smoker I really don’t have a problem with those that choose to do so. Legal/ illegal I don't care either way..

REALLY....I'm far more concerned with the initiatives that could make my drug of choice illegal. I've been addicted since the age of 5. I was hooked from my first trip... I'm addicted to fishing and I refuse to get help because I have no plans on quitting. There are some people in this state with too much time and money on their hands that are using laws and buying politicians so they can make my drug of choice illegal and that is what concerns me most.

JerryG

[Thisfool]

It should be legal? It needs remain illegal! It's harmless, everyone is doing it. It's the gateway to hard drugs and it will kill kids… What I'm getting at here guys is that the argument never ends it just goes back and forth between for and against but it doesn't change the opinions of those on either side. Although I am not a bud smoker I really don’t have a problem with those that choose to do so. Legal/ illegal I don't care either way..

REALLY....I'm far more concerned with the initiatives that could make my drug of choice illegal. I've been addicted since the age of 5. I was hooked from my first trip... I'm addicted to fishing and I refuse to get help because I have no plans on quitting. There are some people in this state with too much time and money on their hands that are using laws and buying politicians so they can make my drug of choice illegal and that is what concerns me most.

JerryG

im with you on being concerned about the initiatives that would impact fishing. i to am concerned about that. but this is a thread about PROP19 and since this is a topic of debate that’s why this thread is so hot. Now im sure every one on this site agrees that the initiatives that affect fishing are very important and i know i for one read every thread about them and at election time will make sure to vote accordingly but those threads don’t get very hot because it would just be post after post after post of "i agree we should vote no/yes". Just be concerned if those threads get low view #s.

but about the minds not changing your right and your wrong at the same time. see its mostly only the old people who are against legal weed. you see old people are the majority of voters and they show up to vote the most constantly. so as the old slowly die off they are getting replaced by the younger more open minded how ever the younger population ( and i fall in to this group, but i always vote) don’t show up to vote as constantly. now along with old people being replaced with young people there is also more truth about pot and the fact that its harmless or at least less harmful then alcohol becoming aware to the public. So you are right not many minds are getting changed there just getting replaced. so it truly is just a matter of time until it is not only legal in some states but is federally legal.

I think with this election we seen something like this (100% my personal opinion and what I think).im not sure what the final results were but when I stopped watching the results were 56%-44% in favor of “no” I think it probably went something like this
35% old closed minded people + 15% really think pot is bad and will destroy our society + 1.5% did not like the way the prop was writen + .5% the northern California counties that that grow marijuana as a cash crop who were opposed to the prop due to the fact it would cause them to lose profits – 44% of people who approved of the Prop. But you also have to factor in the low voter turn out from the younger generation. So with the 2% who are in favor of pot but still voted no and then factor in a few more percent of who favor it but just dint vote and prop19 could have passed.

[troutkilla420]

you know CL when i talked to my mother about this she said the same thing as you. she is a drug and alcohol counselor and a former drug addict her self. i asked her as an addict isnt it true that it is just in your nature to become addicted and move on to harder drugs no mater what you start off with, she said yes. My point is she is and addict the kids you talked to are addicts it is in there nature to behave this way these kids and my mom are not normal people in this manner. a normal person can smoke weed for years and quit with no problem and never want to try other drugs.

My other point I made to my mother is when I was in high school I could randomly walk up to just about any kid and ask if they had pot and if that kid dint have any they would of pointed me directly to some one who dose. How ever if I would of walked up and asked about alcohol I simply would not have been able to get any with out going thru a hug hassle And that is simply because alcohol is not on the black market which means the only place to get it is from a place that will not sale it to me as a minor or to raid and adults alcohol stash.

Getting back to the kids you spoke with. I agree with you that pot can be a gate way drug but I don’t think pot turns people addicts of harder drugs I believe these kids and my mother would have started using harder drugs no matter what they started with. I believe that all these kids and my mother had the same starter drug in common simply because it is so easy to get. It is obvious “the just make it illegal” laws are not taking any pot off the street or making it any harder for kids to get, so why not put it behind a counter where you have to be of legal age to buy. If pot is made as hard to get for minors as alcohol is don’t you think that kids will be older by the time they take there first hit so hopefully with the bit of age and wisdom they have gained in the few extra years they will not move on to harder drugs.

If having pot legal and regulated just like alcohol is a bad idea and would make more kids use it. Why did 19 out of the 20 kids say pot and you dint have more say alcohol. I think it is because either alcohol isn’t cool because it isn’t illegal or because it is much easier to get there hands on pot.

Ps just a little correction the legal age proposed by the bill for some one to buy uses and posses was 21 not 18

i agree with everything ur saying but be carefull when u use the word normal because, what is normal? when u can define a normal person,let me Know!

[Thisfool]

i agree with everything ur saying but be carefull when u use the word normal because, what is normal? when u can define a normal person,let me Know!

your right about that lol, but i ment normal as in dose not have an addictive personality.

[Nessie Hunter]

see its mostly only the old people who are against legal weed. you see old people are the majority of voters and they show up to vote the most constantly. so as the old slowly die off they are getting replaced by the younger more open minded how ever the younger population ( and i fall in to this group, but i always vote) don’t show up to vote as constantly. now along with old people being replaced with young people there is also more truth about pot and the fact that its harmless or at least less harmful then alcohol becoming aware to the public.

I would have to disagree with some of that statement..

Us older People, (Im almost 66) Started the *open drug generation* in the 60's.
Before that time it was a dark secret or hidden from open view. The average Joe had no clue about even where to get them, or what they really did...
You wont find many "Old People" in my generation that havnt had a drug problem or tried several types of drugs or at least were exposed to it by Family or long time friends.

But having lived a bit longer to evaluate their effects, we see that it still needs to be illegal.
Your younger and have had less time to have evaluated drugs IMHO....

When that time comes, you will be that "Older Generation", & basing your opinion on what you have learned in life.
Just like we do now!!!!

Those small nails in the road are MUCH less dangerous and harmful then the Large nails..
But still have their dangers and need to be picked up as best we can..........



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[Thisfool]

I would have to disagree with some of that statement..

Us older People, (Im almost 66) Started the *open drug generation* in the 60's.
Before that time it was a dark secret or hidden from open view. The average Joe had no clue about even where to get them, or what they really did...
You wont find many "Old People" in my generation that havnt had a drug problem or tried several types of drugs or at least were exposed to it by Family or long time friends.

But having lived a bit longer to evaluate their effects, we see that it still needs to be illegal.
Your younger and have had less time to have evaluated drugs IMHO....

When that time comes, you will be that "Older Generation", & basing your opinion on what you have learned in life.
Just like we do now!!!!

Those small nails in the road are MUCH less dangerous and harmful then the Large nails..
But still have their dangers and need to be picked up as best we can..........



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This is a very good point and perhaps you are correct but can you speak for all folks your age. Do all folks your age sit down and actually think and weigh it over and come up with a logical decision as for why they do or don’t like something. The answer is a giant “NO” and im not saying by any means that my generation dose this or dose it more then yours dose.

However your generation was expose to large amounts of anti marijuana information most of which if we actually go back and look at will find to be the stupidest thing ever said about anything, and thanks to modern since and scientific studies a lot of what was thought to be truth about marijuana is found to be absolutely false, But In your time there was no recognized and respected opposition to what was being said. All the opposition was merely looked at as drug heads and degenerates. Sorry to say the only movement for marijuana at the time was the Hippie movement which yes was large but it was also the worst way to try to prove any kind of point about anything.

see the problem is most people base what the think and feel about most things not just drugs, on what others tell them to think and many times the people telling others what to think have there own agenda of why they want you think a certain way so the listeners get a great deal of mistruth and misinformation and sadly almost always the opposition to this misinformation and mistruth is not heard due to the nature of the beast that is called the mainstream public media and thanks to all the people with the large amounts of money and the agendas it is kept this way.

and if you strongly believe the mistruth and misinformation (which most people do) you can and will see what you want to see weather that is seeing that Muslims are bad and what to hurt the us or seeing that marijuana is and evil drug.

See 80% of people are unmotivated which means once there minds are made and set no mater how much information you give them there minds wont change. 15% are motivate able these people still don’t seek there own conclusions but will listen to reason and the last 5% seek, find and make there own conclusions and listen to reason. If the majority of the population absolutely will not change there minds and the majority of population is a generation that has gotten mistruth and misinformation then you see were we have a huge problem and were I make the assumption in my other post.

Now if you have come to your conclusions based on your own personal experiences and research then that is a completely different storey but my point is most people do not do this at all and that is the truth for both sides of this argument.

Sorry if I ramble but I feel if you don’t understand my thinking or reasoning then my points and arguments are invalid.

[Thisfool]

I apologies if the term “old people” offended you I most certainly should of used a deferent term.

[txcurry]

im with you on being concerned about the initiatives that would impact fishing. i to am concerned about that. but this is a thread about PROP19 and since this is a topic of debate that’s why this thread is so hot. Now im sure every one on this site agrees that the initiatives that affect fishing are very important and i know i for one read every thread about them and at election time will make sure to vote accordingly but those threads don’t get very hot because it would just be post after post after post of "i agree we should vote no/yes". Just be concerned if those threads get low view #s.

but about the minds not changing your right and your wrong at the same time. see its mostly only the old people who are against legal weed. you see old people are the majority of voters and they show up to vote the most constantly. so as the old slowly die off they are getting replaced by the younger more open minded how ever the younger population ( and i fall in to this group, but i always vote) don’t show up to vote as constantly. now along with old people being replaced with young people there is also more truth about pot and the fact that its harmless or at least less harmful then alcohol becoming aware to the public. So you are right not many minds are getting changed there just getting replaced. so it truly is just a matter of time until it is not only legal in some states but is federally legal.

I think with this election we seen something like this (100% my personal opinion and what I think).im not sure what the final results were but when I stopped watching the results were 56%-44% in favor of “no” I think it probably went something like this
35% old closed minded people + 15% really think pot is bad and will destroy our society + 1.5% did not like the way the prop was writen + .5% the northern California counties that that grow marijuana as a cash crop who were opposed to the prop due to the fact it would cause them to lose profits – 44% of people who approved of the Prop. But you also have to factor in the low voter turn out from the younger generation. So with the 2% who are in favor of pot but still voted no and then factor in a few more percent of who favor it but just dint vote and prop19 could have passed.
You are too young to remember Prop 15, it was the legalizing initiative from the early 70's.
Let's see, I voted yes back then, I was young. A lot of the younger pot-heads from back then that didn't vote are now adults and, this initiative failed. If your theory was true and panned out, this initiative should have passed!
The fact is, as you get older you get wiser and see the harm that smoking pot did in your life. I did, took 23 years but I finally saw what it did to my life and quit.
Thank God there enough of us older and wiser people out there that kept it from being legal. Society has enough problems with alcohol. We don't need another headache from trying to regulate pot.

[Thisfool]

You are too young to remember Prop 15, it was the legalizing initiative from the early 70's.
Let's see, I voted yes back then, I was young. A lot of the younger pot-heads from back then that didn't vote are now adults and, this initiative failed. If your theory was true and panned out, this initiative should have passed!
The fact is, as you get older you get wiser and see the harm that smoking pot did in your life. I did, took 23 years but I finally saw what it did to my life and quit.
Thank God there enough of us older and wiser people out there that kept it from being legal. Society has enough problems with alcohol. We don't need another headache from trying to regulate pot.

yes that prop did fail it failed by something like 66%-34% if remember correctly from what i read. this time this prop only failed 56%-44% and there was a good number of people who said they would like to see weed legal but did not like the way this prop was written so voted no.

now either i and all the pole reports was completely wrong and the youth did turn out to vote or a good number of the older generation did vote yes.

with all due respect what harm did pot do your life. the way i see it as an responsible adult i choose not to smoke pot (anymore) due to the fact the types of jobs i am trying to get do drug screenings. now if i still chose to smoke weed and try to get those jobs i obviously would not get them and can claim that weed has harmed my life. but being able to take responsibility for my own actions i would not be able to blame me not having a job on weed but blame my self for smoking it despite the consequences.

I am in no way saying that I know you or am I trying to take away from any struggles you have went through in your past. what I am saying though if something happened in your life like legal ramifications or a loss of life due to the illegal distribution on marijuana or something of that nature. Then having it legal will almost completely stop nearly all crime that revolves around marijuana and if something like that happened to you it would not have happened. If something happened to one of your loved ones due to being under the influence or due to some one els being under the influence of weed I truly am sorry that that happened to you and my heart goes out to you, but the same could of happened from any number of medicines that one can buy over the counter at just about any store. If some one gets killed by some one driving who just took some cough syrup we all would not be up in arms and demanding that Night-quil be striped from the shelves and be considered a schedule 1 narcotic and be put in the same category as heroin

Think about that if it is legal there will be almost no gang wars over the turf to sell it on no more PUSHER’S trying to get our kids to buy it from them out side of there school. It is estimated by government agencies that marijuana is 40% of Mexican drug cartels income. Think about that if marijuana was legal In the USA Mexican drug cartels would all but fall apart. How many businesses can take a 40% loss and still keep there doors open. Yes I know there’s the argument of what about the other 60% my response is obviously if marijuana represents 40% of there income it is what funds the rest of there operations and with out the marijuana money the funding for there other operations and labor the funding will dry up.

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[stressD]

I bet most of those anti-prop19 folks would have been toking a fat J within a month's time had the proposition passed. Just remember, the powers that be don't aways have your best interest in mind, you have to judge for yourself. I'm more then certain that most who enjoy being intoxicated from alcohol consumption will enjoy getting stoned off their *** from smoking a fat bowl of stinky greens.

[DarkShadow]

Thank God there enough of us older and wiser people out there that kept it from being legal. Society has enough problems with alcohol.

First off, I want to thank the generations before me for looking out for our younger generation's best interest. We are repaying the gratitude by giving you all of our Social Security.

Moving to the topic at hand, I take it if an initiative was placed on the ballot to make alcohol illegal again, you'd vote for it?

http://www.msad45.net/Library/Flagg/Prohibition.jpg

[smokehound]

You are too young to remember Prop 15, it was the legalizing initiative from the early 70's.
Let's see, I voted yes back then, I was young. A lot of the younger pot-heads from back then that didn't vote are now adults and, this initiative failed. If your theory was true and panned out, this initiative should have passed!
The fact is, as you get older you get wiser and see the harm that smoking pot did in your life. I did, took 23 years but I finally saw what it did to my life and quit.
Thank God there enough of us older and wiser people out there that kept it from being legal. Society has enough problems with alcohol. We don't need another headache from trying to regulate pot. Lol i would love to kick you in the face. That was beautiful trolling.

[labboss2003]

Lol i would love to kick you in the face. That was beautiful trolling.


Threating other members because they don't think your way should get you banned from this site . THE POWERS THAT BE NEED TO MAKE YOU AND THIS THREAD GO BYE BYE

[Thisfool]

Threating other members because they don't think your way should get you banned from this site . THE POWERS THAT BE NEED TO MAKE YOU AND THIS THREAD GO BYE BYE

lol what’s wrong with the thread. with the exception of a few stray post this thread has been a respectable conversation. do others opinions, thoughts and ideas offend you that bad.

[Nessie Hunter]

First off, I want to thank the generations before me for looking out for our younger generation's best interest. We are repaying the gratitude by giving you all of our Social Security.

Moving to the topic at hand, I take it if an initiative was placed on the ballot to make alcohol illegal again, you'd vote for it?


Your very welcome. Some one has to do it.....

We appreciate your contribution to Soc Sec.. :-)
But most of us have also invested in it for 30+ years.
Quite a disappointment when that day came and I saw the check..
Dang good thing I double dip or I would be living in 'your' garage & begging on the corner.
Then got charged $100 a month for Medicare on top of that...
No COLA for what looks like a second year now!!!
Dont count on Soc Sec to support you at all... If its still around then????

Yes, I think Alcohol and Cigarettes should be Illegal also.
They just have to much clout to ever get the boot... Sad!!!!


http://fishinghotpage.com/forum4/images/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by smokehound http://fishinghotpage.com/forum4/images/buttons/viewpost-right.png (http://fishingnetwork.net/forum4/showthread.php?p=500057#post500057)
Lol i would love to kick you in the face. That was beautiful trolling.







This and several other recent posts (including the Riverside Officers Shooting) are making you look like a total JERK!!!
Wasnt long ago you got lost & confused at NPH when you ,missed your bus.
Now I see at least 2 or more tough guy posts??????? Threats!!!!

I agree with labboss2003. At least a warning is in order IMHO....

Thisfool;
You can call me old, cuz I am.. I prefer Grey Fox though!!! LOL

Yes I did the research and Formed personal conclusions right in the war zone..
Our ugly streets.. (Retired PD)..
Been there done that, seen most all of it right in the heart of the action.....
Once you start to see the big picture and the way things could be.
You kind of change your mind about a lot of things..
Most "old People" keep up with the news, science and world affairs better then other, They have the time... They arent just old rust buckets.....


OK im out of this thread, Im kinda scared now!!!!! :Rolls Eyes:

Just not why I sign on here................



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[Thisfool]

Your very welcome. Some one has to do it.....

We appreciate your contribution to Soc Sec.. :-)
But most of us have also invested in it for 30+ years.
Quite a disappointment when that day came and I saw the check..
Dang good thing I double dip or I would be living in 'your' garage & begging on the corner.
Then got charged $100 a month for Medicare on top of that...
No COLA for what looks like a second year now!!!
Dont count on Soc Sec to support you at all... If its still around then????

Yes, I think Alcohol and Cigarettes should be Illegal also.
They just have to much clout to ever get the boot... Sad!!!!


http://fishinghotpage.com/forum4/images/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by smokehound http://fishinghotpage.com/forum4/images/buttons/viewpost-right.png (http://fishingnetwork.net/forum4/showthread.php?p=500057#post500057)
Lol i would love to kick you in the face. That was beautiful trolling.







This and several other recent posts (including the Riverside Officers Shooting) are making you look like a total JERK!!!
Wasnt long ago you got lost & confused at NPH when you ,missed your bus.
Now I see at least 2 or more tough guy posts??????? Threats!!!!

I agree with labboss2003. At least a warning is in order IMHO....

Thisfool;
You can call me old, cuz I am.. I prefer Grey Fox though!!! LOL

Yes I did the research and Formed personal conclusions right in the war zone..
Our ugly streets.. (Retired PD)..
Been there done that, seen most all of it right in the heart of the action.....
Once you start to see the big picture and the way things could be.
You kind of change your mind about a lot of things..
Most "old People" keep up with the news, science and world affairs better then other, They have the time... They arent just old rust buckets.....


OK im out of this thread, Im kinda scared now!!!!! :Rolls Eyes:

Just not why I sign on here................



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lol ok gray fox it is.

[Thisfool]

Your very welcome. Some one has to do it.....

We appreciate your contribution to Soc Sec.. :-)
But most of us have also invested in it for 30+ years.
Quite a disappointment when that day came and I saw the check..
Dang good thing I double dip or I would be living in 'your' garage & begging on the corner.
Then got charged $100 a month for Medicare on top of that...
No COLA for what looks like a second year now!!!
Dont count on Soc Sec to support you at all... If its still around then????

Yes, I think Alcohol and Cigarettes should be Illegal also.
They just have to much clout to ever get the boot... Sad!!!!


http://fishinghotpage.com/forum4/images/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by smokehound http://fishinghotpage.com/forum4/images/buttons/viewpost-right.png (http://fishingnetwork.net/forum4/showthread.php?p=500057#post500057)
Lol i would love to kick you in the face. That was beautiful trolling.







This and several other recent posts (including the Riverside Officers Shooting) are making you look like a total JERK!!!
Wasnt long ago you got lost & confused at NPH when you ,missed your bus.
Now I see at least 2 or more tough guy posts??????? Threats!!!!

I agree with labboss2003. At least a warning is in order IMHO....

Thisfool;
You can call me old, cuz I am.. I prefer Grey Fox though!!! LOL

Yes I did the research and Formed personal conclusions right in the war zone..
Our ugly streets.. (Retired PD)..
Been there done that, seen most all of it right in the heart of the action.....
Once you start to see the big picture and the way things could be.
You kind of change your mind about a lot of things..
Most "old People" keep up with the news, science and world affairs better then other, They have the time... They arent just old rust buckets.....


OK im out of this thread, Im kinda scared now!!!!! :Rolls Eyes:

Just not why I sign on here................

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i don’t understand what you mean by "the way things could be". All the supposed threats to society and harmful substances are all ready illegal and were not suppose to have them as it is. For all the laws we have on all drugs i don’t see any decline in crime or amount on the street, in some cases there is more on the street then ever before. Sure some years there is less drug related crime and some years have record high drug related crime so really for the most part there is just a plato effect going on, and there are no less drugs on the streets no matter what the laws are.

all i am saying if you truly want to keep the children safe and want to keep drugs out of their hands at least in marijuana's case imho the best way to do that is to make it Legal and regulate and police it like alcohol.

I think no mater what side of the argument you are on every one can agree the way the marijuana laws stand as of today has taken none off the streets or out of children’s hands and the laws have been a complete failure as far as stopping any kind of criminal activity surrounding this drug.

i also think voting alcohol to be illegal proved to be a complete failure also and we have historical record that all alcohol related crime skyrocketed after it was banned.

As long as there is a demand there will always be a supply. As I see it the only way to prevent crime is make it legally available. Take the money out of the criminal’s hands and put it back in our own pocket.

[smokehound]

Your very welcome. Some one has to do it.....

We appreciate your contribution to Soc Sec.. :-)
But most of us have also invested in it for 30+ years.
Quite a disappointment when that day came and I saw the check..
Dang good thing I double dip or I would be living in 'your' garage & begging on the corner.
Then got charged $100 a month for Medicare on top of that...
No COLA for what looks like a second year now!!!
Dont count on Soc Sec to support you at all... If its still around then????

Yes, I think Alcohol and Cigarettes should be Illegal also.
They just have to much clout to ever get the boot... Sad!!!!


http://fishinghotpage.com/forum4/images/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by smokehound http://fishinghotpage.com/forum4/images/buttons/viewpost-right.png (http://fishingnetwork.net/forum4/showthread.php?p=500057#post500057)
Lol i would love to kick you in the face. That was beautiful trolling.







This and several other recent posts (including the Riverside Officers Shooting) are making you look like a total JERK!!!
Wasnt long ago you got lost & confused at NPH when you ,missed your bus.
Now I see at least 2 or more tough guy posts??????? Threats!!!!

I agree with labboss2003. At least a warning is in order IMHO....

Since when did I threaten anyone? I merely stated how well that guy trolled me. If anything, that was a compliment. Did I send him any PM's? No. Did i tell him I was going to hurt him? No.

No need to lie.

[fishnuv]

Law abiding people don't refer to Police officers as "Pigs" just as non racists don't use racial slurs such as the "N" word, etc. It's obvious Smokehound has some issues probably because he got caught doing something he shouldn't have which would explain his feelings of Hate towards the people who we count on every day to preserve our quality of life. Or maybe I'm wrong, maybe he's never been in trouble and is one of the rare, successful indivuduals, who aren't a drain on society who just hate to hate. Either way, It looks like the majority of the comments don't support his opinions are nor represenative of the rest of us and he should be cut loose.

[Thisfool]

Law abiding people don't refer to Police officers as "Pigs" just as non racists don't use racial slurs such as the "N" word, etc. It's obvious Smokehound has some issues probably because he got caught doing something he shouldn't have which would explain his feelings of Hate towards the people who we count on every day to preserve our quality of life. Or maybe I'm wrong, maybe he's never been in trouble and is one of the rare, successful indivuduals, who aren't a drain on society who just hate to hate. Either way, It looks like the majority of the comments don't support his opinions are nor represenative of the rest of us and he should be cut loose.

i can tell just by your comment that you have grown up and lived in a nicer community.

i share smokehounds dislike or should i say hate for cops. I have only ever came across one nice cop but even he game me a ticket, but he dint even pull me over for that he pulled me over cuz my car matched the description of a stolen car and then gave me a ticket for my exhaust.

but any way i have been and have watched my friends be harassed for absolutely nothing at all. going down the street not, changing lanes, not turning, doing the speed limit and having a cop follow you for 2 miles finally pull you over, not give you a reason as why he pulled you over. Then practically call you a liar when you say no when ask if your on probation or parole or have ever been arrested. be pulled out of your car searched hand cuffed then have your car searched then they act all pissed off when they don’t find anything and your name comes back clean.

Now imagine that. Imagine worrying that is going to happen just because your driving down the street. That is the same exact thing as a gang member running up on you getting in your face and banging on you.

me and all my friends are law abiding citizens and have never been in trouble. i just happen to be the white guy who drives around town with black people and or Mexicans in my car, and my friends are only guilty of being black or Mexican.

The world is all sunshine and rainbows and yes im sure there are some good cops out there but I have never ran in to one in the 20 something different cities ive been harassed in.

If that is not reason enough to hate then I don’t know what is.

[fishnuv]

That's too bad you've been harrassed in 20 different cities. I can't imagine how that can happen but I'll take your word for it. I was mistreated by a Ca Park Ranger in as a teenager with a group of friends one night in San Onofre. It was 75% him but I contrubuted the other 25% and learned my lesson. BTW, I am proud to say I grew up in Pomona/ Montclair but you won't see those cities on lifestyles of the rich and famous. Bottom line, the officer was a war veteran and chose to serve the community he grew up in. he deserves more than to be called a pig and it looks like Smokehound apologized for the comment. I think he should be removed from the forum but will respect the moderator's decision and Smokehound's & your right to expressess your opinions. After all, our rights and personal security are what the officer was fighting for overseas and as an officer. The reason people can make hateful comments is that the other guy fears getting arrested for retaliating. Enough ranting, there are fish to catch somewhere! Good Luck!

[tpfishnfool]

Smoke em if ya got em I guess.... I myself will reserve my right to pound a few Coors Lights now and then.
Piece out.....

[smokehound]

Law abiding people don't refer to Police officers as "Pigs" just as non racists don't use racial slurs such as the "N" word, etc. It's obvious Smokehound has some issues probably because he got caught doing something he shouldn't have which would explain his feelings of Hate towards the people who we count on every day to preserve our quality of life. Or maybe I'm wrong, maybe he's never been in trouble and is one of the rare, successful indivuduals, who aren't a drain on society who just hate to hate. Either way, It looks like the majority of the comments don't support his opinions are nor represenative of the rest of us and he should be cut loose. I know you're trying to piss me off. It's not going to work. have a nice day.

[fishnuv]

Yes I was, commendable response, I'm done and PM sent.

Let's get back to fishing...Good luck!

[fishnuv]

I'm with tpfishnfool. I have coors light in the kegerator right now.

[txcurry]

yes that prop did fail it failed by something like 66%-34% if remember correctly from what i read. this time this prop only failed 56%-44% and there was a good number of people who said they would like to see weed legal but did not like the way this prop was written so voted no.

now either i and all the pole reports was completely wrong and the youth did turn out to vote or a good number of the older generation did vote yes.

with all due respect what harm did pot do your life. the way i see it as an responsible adult i choose not to smoke pot (anymore) due to the fact the types of jobs i am trying to get do drug screenings. now if i still chose to smoke weed and try to get those jobs i obviously would not get them and can claim that weed has harmed my life. but being able to take responsibility for my own actions i would not be able to blame me not having a job on weed but blame my self for smoking it despite the consequences.

I am in no way saying that I know you or am I trying to take away from any struggles you have went through in your past. what I am saying though if something happened in your life like legal ramifications or a loss of life due to the illegal distribution on marijuana or something of that nature. Then having it legal will almost completely stop nearly all crime that revolves around marijuana and if something like that happened to you it would not have happened. If something happened to one of your loved ones due to being under the influence or due to some one els being under the influence of weed I truly am sorry that that happened to you and my heart goes out to you, but the same could of happened from any number of medicines that one can buy over the counter at just about any store. If some one gets killed by some one driving who just took some cough syrup we all would not be up in arms and demanding that Night-quil be striped from the shelves and be considered a schedule 1 narcotic and be put in the same category as heroin

Think about that if it is legal there will be almost no gang wars over the turf to sell it on no more PUSHER’S trying to get our kids to buy it from them out side of there school. It is estimated by government agencies that marijuana is 40% of Mexican drug cartels income. Think about that if marijuana was legal In the USA Mexican drug cartels would all but fall apart. How many businesses can take a 40% loss and still keep there doors open. Yes I know there’s the argument of what about the other 60% my response is obviously if marijuana represents 40% of there income it is what funds the rest of there operations and with out the marijuana money the funding for there other operations and labor the funding will dry up.

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The problems it causes are not always serious nor so obvious. The fact is it subtly changed me. For example I quit for a short time when I went to college> Istarted my first year and a half with a 3.0 GPA. The fourth semester I started smoking again anf my GPA went to 2.5 By the time I graduated I was struggling to just get by with a 2.0. I didn't care enough to make the effort because my main concern was getting high.
I got busted for possession of dangerous drugs in '69, that stopped me from doing the 'barbs (reds, yellows, rainbows) but I just smoked more pot. You see, I am an addict. Making pot more accessible would just have compounded the problem and delayed the inevitable. At least having it illegal makes a small percentage of people stop and think. If it saves one person from the damage it can cause as a gateway drug or just from the lazy apathetic forgetful attitude it too often creates, it is worth keeping it illegal in my opinion.
Alcohol is already legal and look at the mayhem it causes on the roads. You can't convince me that you can drive OK after smoking a joint of some nice Hawaiian bud. Making pot legal would just increase tha amount of danger on the roads. If you research statistics in the 20's when booze was illegal, alcohol related accidents and deaths went down, way down, despite what some might lead you to believe. That being said, alcohol is legal now and we don't need to go through prohibition again, however, we don't need to increase the dangers from pot heads driving by having it legal and more accessible.
As far as the drug cartels being involved, think about it! If it were legal in CA would they stop being involved? There's the whole rest of the country to sell to and you just make it easier for them to have a place to grow and ship from. Great idea don't you think? Just think of the excitement you could have dodging bullets every day!
As for Smokehound I think Nessie about said it all.

[CL SmooV]

You gotta be joking. Have you ever heard of cigarettes?

Everyone seems to be taking EVERYTHING they're afraid of in this world and saying it will become rampant if marijuana is legalized.

First of all, marijuana is NOT addictive in the physical sense. It can be psychologically addictive, and so can just about anything if you have an addictive personality. People who are addicted to alcohol and barbiturates require hospitalization and treatment if they stop consuming it. Marijuana is not physically addictive. It should not be grouped into the same category as truly addictive substances. That's an insult to people who have overcome true addictions.

Want to know why those kids you work with started smoking marijuana? Well, do you know why I stole Playboys from our neighbor when I was 9? Because I wasn't supposed to see them. Do you know why I started smoking cigarettes when I was 10? Because I wasn't supposed to. Do you know why I wanted to drink alcohol at age 11, so I drank half a bottle of tequila and got alcohol poisoning? Because I wasn't allowed to drink it. Do you know why I started smoking marijuana when I was 14? Because I wasn't supposed to. Porno, cigarettes, alcohol, weed... legal or not, it didn't matter. I wasn't supposed to have it so I wanted it. Plus it made me cooler at school.

If anything you're making it more dangerous for "our children". Kids will want to smoke weed because they're not supposed to. To get it, they have to go to drug dealers. Before medical marijuana was legalized in California, getting some weed could turn into a very sketchy and dangerous ordeal. Look what happened once it was legalized? It's much safer.

If you're really serious about protecting our children, go after the real killer. Alcohol.

(although i said i was going to stay out of this thread, i couldnt resist)

you stole playboys @ age 9 gavin from your neighbors to play with yourself because of puberty. that was natural.

you started smoking cigarettes at 9 because of lack of supervision (where were your parents?).

you got smashed on that tequilla at a young age gavin because its more than likely you seen adults doing it around you, which is considred abuse. (look up and study something called "adverse childhood experiences" then come talk to me about "really" protecting children, which is vital for all tax payers in this nation).

and lastly, you started smokin' chronic at age 14 because of a combo of things: low self esteem, lack of involvment in proper teenage activities; horrible parenting/supervision, and flat out just being a follower. but guess what you had a choice.

YOUR arguments are based from emotion, clearly. not fact. i gave quantitative proof to back what i presented on this board.

if you feel so confident in your ration gavin, PM and request to come to speak with other professionals dealing with " saving children" at meetings i attend. i gurantee after you speak with kids who grew up around addict parents, mothers who lost children to addictions, and other social workers who work "daily" on helping folks out, your perspective will be changed, and you will leave "truely" enlightened. and i doubt you will come with this popcorn argument you posted on FNN here. I gurantee that.

as for alcohol, sure its deadly, us SW's battle that topic too with youngsters, along with sex, and how not to be a follower. kids got it tough already, why make in tougher? i will leave you with this gavin, i know for fact you expereinced some adversity in your childhood, my advice to you is to talk to a professional about it. i sense some internal conflicts goin' on. maybe it will give you clarity in the mind, and release some pint up irrationalities.

[txcurry]

(although i said i was going to stay out of this thread, i couldnt resist)

you stole playboys @ age 9 gavin from your neighbors to play with yourself because of puberty. that was natural.

you started smoking cigarettes at 9 because of lack of supervision (where were your parents?).

you got smashed on that tequilla at a young age gavin because its more than likely you seen adults doing it around you, which is considred abuse. (look up and study something called "adverse childhood experiences" then come talk to me about "really" protecting children, which is vital for all tax payers in this nation).

and lastly, you started smokin' chronic at age 14 because of a combo of things: low self esteem, lack of involvment in proper teenage activities; horrible parenting/supervision, and flat out just being a follower. but guess what you had a choice.

YOUR arguments are based from emotion, clearly. not fact. i gave quantitative proof to back what i presented on this board.

if you feel so confident in your ration gavin, PM and request to come to speak with other professionals dealing with " saving children" at meetings i attend. i gurantee after you speak with kids who grew up around addict parents, mothers who lost children to addictions, and other social workers who work "daily" on helping folks out, your perspective will be changed, and you will leave "truely" enlightened. and i doubt you will come with this popcorn argument you posted on FNN here. I gurantee that.

as for alcohol, sure its deadly, us SW's battle that topic too with youngsters, along with sex, and how not to be a follower. kids got it tough already, why make in tougher? i will leave you with this gavin, i know for fact you expereinced some adversity in your childhood, my advice to you is to talk to a professional about it. i sense some internal conflicts goin' on. maybe it will give you clarity in the mind, and release some pint up irrationalities.
Here's my 2 cents on this. I see a problem with consistent bad examples from adults here. I too tried booze, at 10 I think, and honestly, I had to see why it was so cool for the adults. I had to see what the big deal was. Cigarettes, my mom and dad smoked so it had to be cool.
Pot, that was a peer pressure, all my friends did it so I did too, then acid, and speed, and barbs etc..
Being right, wrong, or illegal had little to do with it, it was other's examples that sparked my curiosity.
Why I continued is a whole other story, but I would guess CL SmooV has a good idea of why, it's pretty much the same reasons among all chronic or addicted users, even children.

[DockRat]

I bet most of those anti-prop19 folks would have been toking a fat J within a month's time had the proposition passed.

Just remember, the powers that be don't aways have your best interest in mind, you have to judge for yourself. I'm more then certain that most who enjoy being intoxicated from alcohol consumption will enjoy getting stoned off their *** from smoking a fat bowl of stinky greens.

FYI Most of the Growers up North All Voted NO.

Growers up north enjoy the life they have now.

Prop 19 was too loose and gave indiviual cities and counties the AOK to do what they want. It was not clearly defined.

Talk to a guy that told me every stoner and grower up there voted NO.

Oct, Nov, Dec everybody is always trying to break $100 dollar bills up there.

They like it the way it is. They like GREEN.
The problem is finding a place to stash all the green.http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii164/mattdude1100/pile.jpghttp://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m169/raul530/huge_pile_of_cash.gif


For you guys that have the same PROBLEMS as some N Cal grower, here is some tips.:ROFL:


When it comes to hiding cash money, some of the best hiding spaces for your money or valuables are right under everyone’s nose. There is no need for an expensive home security safe or wall safe. Some of these ideas involve rather extensive work to implement, while others like wall safes, decoy safes to hide your money, are quick fixes — it all depends on your needs, the level of threat to the security of your possessions, and the value you place on your property. Other factors to consider is how long do you need a hiding space for? Do you just need to hide your cash or stash while you go on holidays? Do you need to hide money from an abusive husband? Or do you need a permanent solution?


Secret Stash: The Best Places To Hide Your Cash

Hide your Money In The Yard

There are some bullet proof ways to hide things outside your home on your property so that your money is hidden safely from others. One method is called “cache tubes“.

Although it might seem excessively paranoid to some, Burying your cash might be the most bulletproof way of hiding cash. Using cache tubes involves getting some 6″ to 8″ PVC drain tubing several feet long, with two threaded end caps. Your stash can be placed in several plastic baggies, and then the end caps can be epoxied in place, or sealed with extreme pressure wheel bearing grease, both of which are also available at your local hardware store. This type of tubing, made out of PVC,is strong enough to withstand most natural elements, such as corrosives, salts and water. All one has to do, is to use a common pot hole digger to create a good hole to bury the tube. If you are burying money, make sure it is wrapped in layers of zip lock bags and throw in a silica pack from the inside of vitamin or supplement containers to avoid mildew or similar smells.

Another way might be to hide things in hollowed out legs of patio furniture, or metal garden furniture legs, or even the hollow legs of a child’s swingset, or fence post. Again, put your valuables in several layers of plastic baggies.

Hide your Money In The Kitchen

The kitchen has some of the most accessible, natural hiding spots. Take for instance a large flour bin; your goods could be hidden in baggies and buried deep within. Or take an old packaging from frozen food and place your goods in there, and then re-glue the box. Hide that deep in the bottom of your chest freezer. Most people wouldn’t expect a box of frozen breaded liver to contain anything of worth.

Hide your Money In The Hallways

Consider burying small items in the bottom of potted plants, again, concealed in waterproof plastic containers, such as small aspirin bottles. If you have those sectional plastic shelves, you are in luck, as they have hollow parts as well which are perfect for hiding small items. Consider creating a few fake light switch boxes or fake electrical receptacles, they are also good spots.

Hide your Money In Your Room

Do you have furniture that will allow for secret panels to be created in them? It might be possible to build some secret compartments in your sofa, end tables, chairs, or bookshelves. Forget about hiding anything under your bed though, in most break and enters where the home is ransacked, the burglars will turn the mattresses upside down looking for hidden items.

What about building a hidden empty spot behind one of the mirrors in the home? A mirror could conceal a hollow hiding spot quite nicely!

Again, if you seal a tiny item in a small, plastic waterproof container, you might be able to hide it in the gravel in your fishtank, or toilet bowl.

What about air conditioning ducts? If you have some ducts, you could put things in them that are not sensitive to temperatures. Use a string tied to your valuables so that you can retrieve them.

What about building a hollow behind a portion of baseboard in your home? There is another option, since baseboards are so universal in every room of the house, they are natural hiding places.

Cutting away a small part of the drywall and making a hiding space which is later covered with wallpaper could be a good idea, provided that it is on a part of the wall where nobody is likely to touch the wall. Say higher up, near the ceiling might do the trick.

Making a book safe is a another old trick. Simply take a big, hardbound book and glue the pages together. Then use a drill to create some starter holes and then use a coping saw to cut out a rectangular section where some important things could be hidden. Glue this rectangular section to the back cover of the book.

Another trick is to hide the goods in a dummy VHS tape and insert it into an old VCR. Since it is unlikely that anyone would steal a circa 1994 VCR, it is another option to consider. Maybe even use a video cassette labeled “Aunt Jean’s Wedding” or something to that effect.

If making candles interests you, you could even hide some things, such as rings, by melting them inside zip lock bags in a large, dark homemade candle!

Pretty much any container or package can be uses to hide something. There are a number of “decoy safes” or “diversion safes” on the market that look like common everyday household items, such as fire extinguishers, smoke detectors, light switches, peanut butter jars, flower pots, lamps, etc.

How NOT To Hide Valuables!


By far the worst places to hide anything in your home are: closets, dresser drawers, night table, under mattresses, inside old clothes, under carpets, couches, or jewelry boxes. These are the first points of interest for any burglar. Another point of note: hiding money in safety deposit boxes might be illegal in some areas and more importantly, the contents of safety deposit boxes are not insured.

[BIG*GAME*HUNTER]

prop 19? isn't that for gay marrage?

[bman90278]

prop 19? isn't that for gay marrage?

LMAO

Maybe next time they will do a combined Proposition for gay smokers wanting to legalize pot. lol

[smokehound]

LMAO

Maybe next time they will do a combined Proposition for gay smokers wanting to legalize pot. lolYou mean the growers up north? :LOL:

[Señor.Chilax]

You mean the growers up north? :LOL:


HAHAHA! Yeah, all the gay chapetes! :ROFL:

[Thisfool]

The problems it causes are not always serious nor so obvious. The fact is it subtly changed me. For example I quit for a short time when I went to college> Istarted my first year and a half with a 3.0 GPA. The fourth semester I started smoking again anf my GPA went to 2.5 By the time I graduated I was struggling to just get by with a 2.0. I didn't care enough to make the effort because my main concern was getting high.
I got busted for possession of dangerous drugs in '69, that stopped me from doing the 'barbs (reds, yellows, rainbows) but I just smoked more pot. You see, I am an addict. Making pot more accessible would just have compounded the problem and delayed the inevitable. At least having it illegal makes a small percentage of people stop and think. If it saves one person from the damage it can cause as a gateway drug or just from the lazy apathetic forgetful attitude it too often creates, it is worth keeping it illegal in my opinion.
Alcohol is already legal and look at the mayhem it causes on the roads. You can't convince me that you can drive OK after smoking a joint of some nice Hawaiian bud. Making pot legal would just increase tha amount of danger on the roads. If you research statistics in the 20's when booze was illegal, alcohol related accidents and deaths went down, way down, despite what some might lead you to believe. That being said, alcohol is legal now and we don't need to go through prohibition again, however, we don't need to increase the dangers from pot heads driving by having it legal and more accessible.
As far as the drug cartels being involved, think about it! If it were legal in CA would they stop being involved? There's the whole rest of the country to sell to and you just make it easier for them to have a place to grow and ship from. Great idea don't you think? Just think of the excitement you could have dodging bullets every day!
As for Smokehound I think Nessie about said it all.

that is a good point you brought up about the cartels using California to grow and as a shipping hub. but at the same time once it catches on in a few states it is only a mater of time until the federal law changes. also California is all ready a shipping hub for anything and every thing. and if weed becomes legal even if it is in only one or two states in those states the price of marijuana will drop so far down it will out price the cartels due to the fact they will still have to pay hundreds of middle men.

i am sorry to hear you are a recovering addict but that is just my point you are an addict you most likely would have went down that rode no mater legal or not. and you behaved exactly like an addict. you started seeing adverse effects and you continued use despite those negative effects. in your case i agree weed was a gateway drug but in your case anything would of been a gateway drug. as a collage student you dint drink? perhaps drinking led to smoking weed and alcohol is your gateway drug. im not pretending to know you just asking the question.

yea alcohol related deaths may have went down but crime skyrocketed. How many died due to alcohol related crime? and the use of it dint go down people just tended to stay where they were drinking at to avoid being seen drunk. Obviously prohibition was a complete failure it only lasted a few years and people changed there minds.

as for impaired drivers. you are right accidents will happen but it is not going to be a out of control epidemic like some are try to make it sound. there are going to be those who have no consideration and will do as they pleas despite law and despite safety. For the most part i believe those people are already smoking pot and possibly driving as i type this reply, why is it so believed that those who are law abiding citizens and responsible enough to know not to drink and drive will suddenly go out of control and smoke and drive or show up to work high.

as a 24 year old who gets carded every time i buy alcohol i find it hard to believe that making pot legal will put more weed in kids hands. just 6 years ago when i was still in high school i could buy weed all day every day but getting alcohol with out the help of adults was almost next to impossible sure there were the kids who dint care if they got in trouble for stilling booze from there parents, but all most all alcohol i ever seen came from standing in front of a store and playing "hey mister". so it escapes me on how kids would have more assess to it.

[smokehound]

Cannabis does not affect you in any way like alcohol does.

Period. it's not even a true narcotic. The correct word is "Entheogen". Comparing the two is not feasible, because both cause wildly different effects.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sgfDp6vvV64

[Thisfool]

Cannabis does not affect you in any way like alcohol does.

Period. it's not even a true narcotic. The correct word is "Entheogen". Comparing the two is not feasible, because both cause wildly different effects.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sgfDp6vvV64

yes that is true but cannabis does affect reaction time and what not so it is not unfair to assume accidents will and could happen while driving under is influence.

[smokehound]

yes that is true but cannabis does affect reaction time and what not so it is not unfair to assume accidents will and could happen while driving under is influence.That is true.

You're definitely right-- accidents can, and WILL happen.

However this also depends on other factors-- Certain strains will give an uplifting, energetic, alert high.-- These are the sativas, a very very cerebral high. These strains will make your concentration increase several times. Very little CBD. No risk of accidents. In fact, this often pisses many stoners off, because they are used to indica-dominant strains.

Indicas are the other direction-- you will be stuck to your chair like a super-magnet, thanks to the higher amounts of CBD. Commonly called "Couch-lock" by the counter-culture. These are the strains that can cause accidents. This is the more widely-used species. The infamous "Chronic".

Fortunately though, most people smoking indica are too high to even stand up! (this may be why some people have such a negative opinion of stoners-- many of them just want to sit and smoke all day.)

[DockRat]

I would feel safer in traffic with stoned drivers than in traffic with people Texting.
http://i524.photobucket.com/albums/cc323/maxkalahiki/cheech.jpg


yes that is true but cannabis does affect reaction time.
Not to get off 19 but.
So does Texting and everybody's doing it.

Quote with pic :Shocked:

The scariest part of our trip was definitely driving with Vicki while she was texting in rush hour Long Island traffic. Previously I believed I was impervious to car sickness.
http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i127/JennnFusion/Disney%202009/DSCF1412.jpg
http://i617.photobucket.com/albums/tt251/Blueskkies/project/car-accident-tree-wrap.jpg Texter. :Shocked:
http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll316/sandyonsignal/090530_the_traffic_stop.jpg DR

[DockRat]

prop 19? isn't that for gay marrage? :ROFL:


http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g313/russsellstn/Picture015.jpg

[smokehound]

http://i524.photobucket.com/albums/cc323/maxkalahiki/cheech.jpg

Chong: "Hey, dont take those!"

Cheech: "Wha?"

Chong: "I almost gave you the wrong *****."

Cheech: "Eh man i already took em"

Chong: "Oh.. Ohohooohhhoohoho.."

Cheech: "What do you mean "Ohhohoohohoho"??

Cheech: "Man what was that *****!?"

Chong: "...........You just ate the most acid I've ever seen anyone eat in my entire life."

Cheech: "I never had no acid before!"

Chong: "Hope you're not busy for about a month.." :LOL:

[Thisfool]

That is true.

You're definitely right-- accidents can, and WILL happen.

However this also depends on other factors-- Certain strains will give an uplifting, energetic, alert high.-- These are the sativas, a very very cerebral high. These strains will make your concentration increase several times. Very little CBD. No risk of accidents. In fact, this often pisses many stoners off, because they are used to indica-dominant strains.

Indicas are the other direction-- you will be stuck to your chair like a super-magnet, thanks to the higher amounts of CBD. Commonly called "Couch-lock" by the counter-culture. These are the strains that can cause accidents. This is the more widely-used species. The infamous "Chronic".

Fortunately though, most people smoking indica are too high to even stand up! (this may be why some people have such a negative opinion of stoners-- many of them just want to sit and smoke all day.)

once again you are right and i can not argue that point at all. i have for a long time understood the difference in the two strains and back when i smoked pot i was a big fan of the cross of the two strains known as KUSH.

As good of a point you have it is almost invalid due to how speculative and how circumstantial it is.

but both our points still stand the legalization of weed will not result in an epidemic of car crashes.

[Thisfool]

testing. sorry i cant find the old testing thread

[DockRat]

http://i524.photobucket.com/albums/cc323/maxkalahiki/cheech.jpg

Chong: "Hey, dont take those!"


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s038-6PTmb8
:ROFL:

[txcurry]

That is true.

You're definitely right-- accidents can, and WILL happen.

However this also depends on other factors-- Certain strains will give an uplifting, energetic, alert high.-- These are the sativas, a very very cerebral high. These strains will make your concentration increase several times. Very little CBD. No risk of accidents. In fact, this often pisses many stoners off, because they are used to indica-dominant strains.

Indicas are the other direction-- you will be stuck to your chair like a super-magnet, thanks to the higher amounts of CBD. Commonly called "Couch-lock" by the counter-culture. These are the strains that can cause accidents. This is the more widely-used species. The infamous "Chronic".

Fortunately though, most people smoking indica are too high to even stand up! (this may be why some people have such a negative opinion of stoners-- many of them just want to sit and smoke all day.)

To an extent, I'll agree with the Sativa evaluation, however I don't agree that there is no risk of accidents. It may be cerebral but, your memory is still affected. Also your decision making processes may be adversely influenced causing a bad decision. A high THC content will change your perception of things. I can remember the first time I smoked some really good Oaxacan, which was Sativa, as was all Mexican weed back in the late 60's. I almost forgot my name and, my decisions as to what to do changed by the second. When it came time to go home I was virtually lost because I couldn't remember where I was going. I had no problem driving, just deciding where to go and remembering how to get there.

[smokehound]

To an extent, I'll agree with the Sativa evaluation, however I don't agree that there is no risk of accidents. It may be cerebral but, your memory is still affected. Also your decision making processes may be adversely influenced causing a bad decision. A high THC content will change your perception of things. I can remember the first time I smoked some really good Oaxacan, which was Sativa, as was all Mexican weed back in the late 60's. I almost forgot my name and, my decisions as to what to do changed by the second. When it came time to go home I was virtually lost because I couldn't remember where I was going. I had no problem driving, just deciding where to go and remembering how to get there.Your linear memory is not the same as reaction time. You just said it yourself: "I had no problem driving, just deciding where to go, etc"

[tpfishnfool]

Go Burn A Blunt ... Just dont burn and drive .. High is High .. Keep it on the down low and its all good. imo

[smokehound]

Go Burn A Blunt ... Just dont burn and drive .. High is High .. Keep it on the down low and its all good. imoYuck, blunts suck!