What is the best way to tell people to leave private land?

[WaterBound]

My friend has 650 acres of land near San Jacinto. All the fencing and no trespassing signs have been removed and hundreds of off road trails have been created. There are also millions of rounds throughout the valleys. We found shells and targets everywhere.

The locals seem to not know that much of the mountain is private land. I went shooting with my friend and we constantly had to stop people from coming in. The off road vehicles and shooters were coming in like crazy.

What is the best way to confront the situation? We are getting ready to rebuild some fences around the dirt road paths and bike trails. My friend, the owner, was really pissed and wanted to shoot them all. He is kind of worried because the land is all messed up and it is obvious gangsters go in there and practice.

He wants to build traps for the off road vehicles. I told him to not do that because there were a lot of kids who ride the trails and there could also be a liability issue. I said I would only help him build obvious road blocks that could be seen far enough for the kids to slow down. The problem is there are hundreds of riders all over the mountain. I can tell this is going to be an uphill battle. Any suggestions on how to deal with mass amounts of trespassers?

[Thisfool]

Um I would say whenever you know for sure that there are people on your land call the police and soon enough the word will get around that it is private land and the owners call cops and people get are getting tickets for trespassing.

And signs saying that that is what will happen posted around the property will probably help allot

[BrandonFish]

650 acres is allot of land to keep people off of it'll be hard good luck

[Troutman65]

The only way he is going to keep people out is to fence his whole property and post No Tresspassing signs. Don't know what it would cost today to fence in 600 acres .

[muskyman]

Get a bunch of signs that say " Trespassers will be shot on sight " And back it up. That's what I would do. Heck,........... out here, that's the way it is.

[City Dad]

I agree with muskyman, shooting trespassers is the best way to go - especially if you can manage to set up an ambush, you know, do it premeditated. I'm pretty sure that the law says that's okay to do.

and your friend's idea about building traps is also rock solid... just make sure that the fall isn't enough to kill... just cripple. That way the victim suffers while they die of exposure or thirst or ant bites, which ever gets 'em first.

Yep, I'm sure the local authorities out there see that kind of stuff all the time and I bet they get a huge kick out of it. Have fun!:)

[Fisherman57]

I agree with muskyman, shooting trespassers is the best way to go - especially if you can manage to set up an ambush, you know, do it premeditated. I'm pretty sure that the law says that's okay to do.

and your friend's idea about building traps is also rock solid... just make sure that the fall isn't enough to kill... just cripple. That way the victim suffers while they die of exposure or thirst or ant bites, which ever gets 'em first.

Yep, I'm sure the local authorities out there see that kind of stuff all the time and I bet they get a huge kick out of it. Have fun!:)

or:

http://fishinghotpage.com/users/tmp3/BFWarningSign.jpg

[DarkShadow]

Have your friend set up some speakers that are wired to motion sensors.

When people step into private land, have the speakers blare the "Dueling Banjos" theme from Deliverance.

[IncredibleHuck]

http://shellyallen.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/no-trespassing.jpg

or

http://www.fieldandstream.com/files/imagecache/photo-article/photo/18/image_1.jpg

[Danny300]

Why has the fencing & signs been removed????

[Robo Bass]

Fencing and signs, if they trespass anyways, tell them to f off, unless they are rednecks/gangsters with guns, in that case just call the cops and tell them people are trespassing on your property.

[AngryAgent]

It's really a no win situation. Read all the reports on here about people turning into Ninjas at night to fish places that are illegal. If someone wants to trespass there's not much you can do about it unless you want to spend the money that it's going to take to secure the place, but we both know he's not going to spend money to fence 650 acres.

[bones]

Even though we have different opinions (I like the shotgun) the best way to resolve the issue is to post the whole area as private property and then find a law enforcement agency willing to patrol for potential violators. Once the word gets out that people have been issued citations the problem should resolve itself. Word of mouth that the law is being enforced is the only long term solution.
Any other approach is only going to cause your friend problems. Remember......people like to sue like crazy and are looking for a free ride in life. I could even see someone getting involved in a crash with another OHV on your friends property and their lawyer going after your friend just because it happened on his property. Or let's say a stray bullet hits a kid on his dirt bike.Crazier things have happened. Your friend should only be worried about liability IMHO.

[lalo56]

Even though we have different opinions (I like the shotgun) the best way to resolve the issue is to post the whole area as private property and then find a law enforcement agency willing to patrol for potential violators. Once the word gets out that people have been issued citations the problem should resolve itself. Word of mouth that the law is being enforced is the only long term solution.
Any other approach is only going to cause your friend problems. Remember......people like to sue like crazy and are looking for a free ride in life. I could even see someone getting involved in a crash with another OHV on your friends property and their lawyer going after your friend just because it happened on his property. Or let's say a stray bullet hits a kid on his dirt bike.Crazier things have happened. Your friend should only be worried about liability IMHO.

I agree with bones. For example if anyone falls and hurts themselves during a robery in our property, they can sue you... It's crazy how law works.
Maybe Sansou can give you more information on laws.

[Fire Ball]

Have your friend set up some speakers that are wired to motion sensors.

When people step into private land, have the speakers blare the "Dueling Banjos" theme from Deliverance.

I think this is the coolest idea! :ROFL:

[WARRIORMIKE]

private security??

[sansou]

I can't even begin to imagine the cost of fencing 650 acres. We spent over $8K fencing only one side of unimproved 40 acres (the side along the major road where someone decided to put a hunting trailer on our land), and the fencing consisted of thin galvanized posts with tensioners and 2 strands of unbarbed wire....and this is in Arizona, south of the Grand Canyon by an hour, and it was maybe 12 years ago. We were concerned with "adverse possession" issues though. I would imagine even simple fencing of one side of 650 acres has to un in the tens of thousands (keep in mind 1 acre lengthwise is almost a football field long!)

My first concern would be liability issues regarding "attractive nuissance", and then also a laching of rights creating what is known as a "prescriptive easement" (cures in 5 years if I recall correctly?) for those perhaps using perhaps a corner of the 650 acres (servient tenement) to ingress/egress to another person's property or public land/road (the dominant tenement). That's for starters. Certainly is a concern and headache.

In this day and age of loose trigger eminent domain appropriation, I would also be a little concerned that if my property is that popular (and the 650 acre landowner is making lesser use of all this land) that perhaps the local government might want it for themselves? I don't think it's a far fetched possibility. My sister's husband's father lectures & litigates nationally on the specific issue of eminent domain, and you would not believe what government will do to you if they like your land (especially in light of recent court decisions!)

Perhaps one could engage a local yocal and pay $20 for everytime he/she succesfully calls the authorities alerting them of trespassers, which results in the authorities actually showing up and ticketing someone. Might be the cheap fix, which might result in word getting out with the offroading trespassing crowd.

Bottomline: if you have 650 acres, chances are you can afford to consult with an attorney....which you should do instead of asking for jailhouse lawyering on a fishing board with suggestions of spring traps and shotguns being offered as a viable solution. LOL !!

[DarkShadow]

y....which you should do instead of asking for jailhouse lawyering on a fishing board with suggestions of spring traps and shotguns being offered as a viable solution. LOL !!

Hey, I offered blasting the theme of Deliverance through speakers.

Altho I'm surprised nobody mentioned land mines, packs of ravenous dogs, quicksand or relocating colonies of Africanized bees to the area.

[sansou]

Hey, I offered blasting the theme of Deliverance through speakers.

Altho I'm surprised nobody mentioned land mines, packs of ravenous dogs, quicksand or relocating colonies of Africanized bees to the area.

Yes....africanized bees, OR, Jehovah's Witnesses. (No offense to any Jehovah peeps out there, but you need to understand why I have a "no soliciting" sign, and that I am "ok" with going to hell.)

[jumpman]

I am a little formilliur with this situation, my property is not nearly this big although i have a private street in fontana california where i live. The problem is that it is very populated and there is a junior high about a half a football field away. My street was never dedicated to the public even though the city pushed on this issue, which it is private property right now.

we have signs posted saying private street, do not enter etc..... people dont care! honestly i dont knw if people can read these days anyway. i also i have speed limit signs that means nothing to people driving on it. when the school gets out it is a zoo, people park where we park, block the streets entrance so noone can enter..... i used to tell people to move, i even carried my holster with my revolver out for the ones that said no and let them know they move or i will move them.

i have had to kick off tons of people including some undercover cops that were rude as hell no knowing it was my land. Really i came to a realization that they are going to keep doing it, as much as i did all of this it keeps happening. you tell one person then the next time its another.........

accept it honestly.............

[fishinone]

Ask the Sheriff or the police what has to be done so that they can enforce the trespassing laws. It's probably nothing. If they don't have permission to be there, they shouldn't be there. It might be signs. I doubt that fencing is required.

Let the law do the enforcement.

There's public land that's available for drive by shooting practice.:EyePop:

[blackberg]

I was going to say rack a shotgun or AK:Envious:


but at minimum is to figure out where the point of entries are, and post large signs saying "private property" and "no tresspassing" and that "police will be called" or that are "going to be shot". From there road blocks or fencing along the points of entry with more signage. It is a large piece of land, but I am sure there are not an infinite way to get in. Most likely there are common routes. The next step is to actually call the police when people are there, and the beginning just have them escorted out, so they would learn you are not playing.

Probably the people that are there dont know that its private land, especially if there is BLM land or other public land nearby. Some people will of course ignore the signs and those are the ones you either get arrested or get shot :LOL:

I can get you a good price on custom corrugated plastic signs if you are interested, PM me for details.

-bb

[KaliDawgFan]

Pump a shotgun

[smokehound]

Release the hounds!

[lurk 182]

just kill em, its your land right? booby traps are a great second choice. maybe sell fifty acres and buy a decent fence, then spend all weekend patroling the perimeter Border Wars style. Sansou, attractive nuisance, adverse posession? now his head is really spinning, maybe he'll shell out a dollar to one of the blood sucking lawyers that are really responsible for the downfall of our country.

[WaterBound]

Thank you all for the great suggestions. First of all there was barbed wire and no trespassing signs all near the main road. The people just keep tearing them down.

Another issue is that the gas company built a dirt road into the mountain to place a massive natural gas line. Since that road was built the trespassers increased. All the off road vehicles also made new trails all over the mountains.

Finally we just found out from local law enforcement and a local real estate agent that many of the trespassers use the natural gas line as a “main target”. I don’t know what kind of idiots would shoot at a natural gas line, but these people seem to enjoy shooting the pipe.

We were also advised that Los Vagos the infamous motorcycle gang that is presently waging a war against the Hemet police department likes to hang out there.

As far as eminent domain, they were already victims of that. They had over 2,000 acres in Riverside County taken near the lot. That is where the trash dump is now and some aerospace testing facility.

Right now my friend is trying to push the gas company to fence off the main dirt road into one of the canyons. The gas company did not like the idea that people were shooting at the pipe either. We will try and block off all the other motorcycle trails ourselves.

Yeah this is not going to be an easy or cheap solution. But after hearing about the gas line target, the liability factor is a major concern. Thanks for everyone’s advise.

[murrieta angler]

Thank you all for the great suggestions. First of all there was barbed wire and no trespassing signs all near the main road. The people just keep tearing them down.

Another issue is that the gas company built a dirt road into the mountain to place a massive natural gas line. Since that road was built the trespassers increased. All the off road vehicles also made new trails all over the mountains.

Finally we just found out from local law enforcement and a local real estate agent that many of the trespassers use the natural gas line as a “main target”. I don’t know what kind of idiots would shoot at a natural gas line, but these people seem to enjoy shooting the pipe.

We were also advised that Los Vagos the infamous motorcycle gang that is presently waging a war against the Hemet police department likes to hang out there.

As far as eminent domain, they were already victims of that. They had over 2,000 acres in Riverside County taken near the lot. That is where the trash dump is now and some aerospace testing facility.

Right now my friend is trying to push the gas company to fence off the main dirt road into one of the canyons. The gas company did not like the idea that people were shooting at the pipe either. We will try and block off all the other motorcycle trails ourselves.

Yeah this is not going to be an easy or cheap solution. But after hearing about the gas line target, the liability factor is a major concern. Thanks for everyone’s advise.

I'm really surprise that the CHP or Sheriffs haven't been handing out tickets.
When I used to take my kids up in that area to ride, they would pounce on you like a bear at a salmon run.
Once the word got around, we wouldn't go back.
I know it sucks to read this, but when the signs are torn down, you have no way to know that it is private land or gov't land that you cannot ride on.
Good Luck with the problem.

[KaliDawgFan]

Thank you all for the great suggestions. First of all there was barbed wire and no trespassing signs all near the main road. The people just keep tearing them down.

electrified fence and land mine warnings!

[DarkShadow]

I don’t know what kind of idiots would shoot at a natural gas line, but these people seem to enjoy shooting the pipe.

That's not the only pipe they enjoy hitting, apparently.

[City Dad]

electrified fence and land mine warnings!

as the lone bed-wetting, pinko, leftie, communits, patchouli-soaked, flyfishing, tooth-having, hippie on the board, I feel compelled to offer an alternative solution to the standard escelation of arms:

Simply post a large sign reading:

"Silver Foxes Nudist Camp and Bachiball"
and maybe add "welcomes the Fresno Shriners Convention."

Peace, man ;)

[smokehound]

Personally, I would use powerful sedatives in darts, hog-tie them, and tattoo "Violent Child-Molester" on each of their foreheads.

Other useful things to replace said tattoo:

"Allah shall strike America"
"Glen Beck is my hero"
"I love Meth"
"Insert Penis Here"

[BIG*GAME*HUNTER]

say your aquater indian and build a casino, then when the white eyes try to mow your land with the metal horses you can hunt them down with a bow tipped with some old indian poision you got from the nieghboring tribes, like pechanga..or just call the police and tell them your starting a cult compound in the mountains so don't come a knockin, i bet after the news spreads that like wild fire your front lawn will be full of cult followers to kick some atv riders @$$ess.....

[pho boy]

put up sign danger land mine testing area or flesh eating bateria enter at own risk . i will put alot of nail on the dirt road in different area . a couple of tire and guarantee they won't be back

[Troutman65]

I am 100% sure this would work .

http://books.gigaimg.com/avaxhome/b1/20/001020b1_medium.jpeg

[gavin310]

Get some dogs...

http://www.becks.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/111.jpg

[Sea Monkey]

How about: "Please leave, this is private land." ?

[Fishbones]

How about: "Please leave, this is private land." ?

That works too!