Illegal things that go on at legg(info)

[jbassc]

The only reason theres more small fish than big fish is people using trout,bluegills,and other small bass and catching the big bass and taking them home the enviroment has absolutly nothing to do with this problem at legg its a strictly poacher problem legg its actually not that small the south lake has more than enough room to sustain a big population of bass up till a few years ago thats how it was,How would you see data if your never there and dont see the things that are going on im there almost everyday ive seen first hand what kind of damage the lake has taken.

THINGS GOING ON AT LEGG SO PEOPLE COULD UNDERSTAND
1.Unlike other lakes poachers dont care about any rules of size and weight they take strictly (ANYTHING AND EVERYTHING) including ducks and turtles.

2.people using trout,bluegill,babybass,goldfish,and tilapia they buy live at the fish market for bait.

3.people walking around with ocean rods and 80 # braid and a 5/0 treble hook ready to snag whatever touches shore.

4.Packs of people throwing 6 or 7 home made rigs with plastic bottles and cans using gamefish as bait.

5.50% of the people fishing legg never even seen or know what a fishing license is.

6.people taking limitless ammounts of any type of fish for example BUCKETS FULL OF BLUEGILLS,ALL THE BASS THEY CAN CATCH AND TRUST ME WITH LIVE BAIT ITS NOT THAT HARD TO BAG A BUNCH OF BASS IN A SHORT PERIOD OF TIME,SENDING THE WIFE ON TRIPS TO THE CAR TO HIDE FISH IN COOLERS IN THE TRUNKS OF THEIR CARS,IVE PERSONALY SEEN ALL THIS HAPPENED AT LEGG ON A EVERYDAY BASIS.

7.People using nets and scooping out buckets of fry and small fish saying its for there fish tank at home.

8.People acting like they cant understand english when your trying to educate them about catch and release.

9.Local police dont know and dont give a dam about any fishing regulations or infractions.

10.Ive actually been attacked at legg before ive had poachers swing there carp rods at me,And even been told(I WAS GONNA GET SHOT) and yes a police report was made.

So as you can see this has been a on going battle for me and the leggulars that witness all the things that go on at legg hopefully now everyone has a better idea of what really goes on behind closed doors at the legg.

LAST YEAR I TRIED TO PUT UP SIGNS TO CATCH AND RELEASE THE BASS AND YES I DID TALK TO OUR LOCAL DFG (DON NELSON LOCAL WARDEN) AND HE SAID HE WAS FINE WITH THE IDEA HE TOLD ME IT WAS REALLY UP TO THE PARK TO MAKE THE DECISION UNFORTUNATLY THE PEOPLE THAT WERE SUPPOSED TO HELP DIDNT TAKE THE IDEA SERIOUSLY AND I COULDNT DO EVERYTHING MYSELF.I REALLY BELEIVE THE PARK DOESNT EVEN KNOW ALL THIS THINGS ARE HAPPENING BUT IM GOING TO TAKE ACTION AND INFORM THEM EVERYTHING.I REALLY HOPE PEOPLE HAVE A BETTER IDEA OF WHATS GOING ON FROM SOMEONE WHO HAS LIVED AND SEEN IT HAPPENED AND HOPEFULLY ILL HAVE THE SUPPORT OF MY FELLOW FISHERMAN THANKS.

PS.I WOULD REALLY APRECIATE IF THE PEOPLE THAT WANT TO SUPPORT ME AND THE LEGG TO MAKE A CHANGE PLEASE EMAIL MR.DON NELSON (DFG) AT dnelson@dfg.ca.gov (dnelson@dfg.ca.gov) AND EXPLAIN THAT A CHANGE AT LEGG NEEDS TO BE DONE.

[Asecino420]

Vent...and agree.

[bigfish420]

Thats so messed up, it makes me want to go down and beat someones ***!! I dont understand why DFG doesnt do something? Sounds like your doing all you can, must be frustrating for you to see that behavior. Im not sure where that lake is as Im in Orange County but if it was close I would go buy a security outfit and start enforcing your own laws..

[PHISHnutS]

Sad thing is it goes on at allot of our local lakes, big and small. Just not enough DFG officers to go around, and with deep budget cuts there isn't much help coming anytime soon.

Good luck Jbassc, at least you care enough to try and make a difference, I'll send an email for what it's worth.

[smokinflies]

i've only been fishing there for 1.5 yrs, and i've witness all of those things that you listed, jbassc.



email sent.

[jerryG]

I was there to see all the things that JBassC has mentioned go down. The place has and continues to get raped by poachers daily. These people have been made well aware of the laws yet they show no concern for obeying it.

People unfamilar with the situation are quick to say "yeah all the Leggulars just need to call Caltip..."
Yeah well the Leggulars have been calling Caltip for years at times everyday for weeks. It's not the DFGs fault that they can't do a damn thing about it. As mentioned above they are not provided with the resources to enforce the laws and regulations to any degree or level that would be considered even some what reasonable. The poachers know this which is why they show no fear or hesitation in breaking the law.

They have tried to get local law enforcement involved which has resulted in a few tickets however local law enforcement is unaware of the laws involving fishing regulations. Most of local law enforcment would have a hard time even identifying the fish. They do not seem to be very willing to enforce laws that they are unfamiliar with or don't understand. Sometimes they write tickets for fishing with out a license but that is about extent of it.

The Leggulars have been left with few options other than taking things in to their own hands to try saving the few fish remaining in the lake from the Poachers. This has led to confrontations between Poachers and those who fish responsibly.

It will take around the clock enforcement to catch all the poachers and continued enforcement moving forward. That is what it would take to resolve the problem. Then may be the fishery will have a chance to rebound. The fishing there used to be a lot better then it is now..

JerryG

[Liteweight]

Just a suggestion guys. I feel for your concern.
Has anyone thought of starting a volunteer group that would dedicate itself to the promotion of the lake? Are the business merchants in the area aware of the business that might or has been lost due to what I'm sure has been lower visitation by recreational users like yourselves.
The best example of a volunteer group that I know of is "The Friends of Castaic Lake". I remember a time when the lagoon was starting to go the same way as your lake. This group took an active role in promoting the lake's activities (ie. Moonlight fishing, float tube derby and various Bass Tournaments) along with L.A. County Parks and Rec.
I'm not aware if your lake still has a viable Bass population to promote successful tournaments, but from what it sounds like it may already be too late. If local business' understand the potential loss of revenue they might be willing to also support more intervention in the problems of the Lake.
Just my :My Two Cents:
Best of Luck out there...another concerned angler.
LW

btw: someone refered to buying his own security outfit and patroling the lake...FYI even DFG Wardens have been shot at in the Sierra's by poachers (I was told this by one of the regional Wardens). I'm sure Officer Nelson can confirm that for you.
Again a concerned fellow angler.

[jbassc]

I was there to see all the things that JBassC has mentioned go down. The place has and continues to get raped by poachers daily. These people have been made well aware of the laws yet they show no concern for obeying it.

People unfamilar with the situation are quick to say "yeah all the Leggulars just need to call Caltip..."
Yeah well the Leggulars have been calling Caltip for years at times everyday for weeks. It's not the DFGs fault that they can't do a damn thing about it. As mentioned above they are not provided with the resources to enforce the laws and regulations to any degree or level that would be considered even some what reasonable. The poachers know this which is why they show no fear or hesitation in breaking the law.

They have tried to get local law enforcement involved which has resulted in a few tickets however local law enforcement is unaware of the laws involving fishing regulations. Most of local law enforcment would have a hard time even identifying the fish. They do not seem to be very willing to enforce laws that they are unfamiliar with or don't understand. Sometimes they write tickets for fishing with out a license but that is about extent of it.

The Leggulars have been left with few options other than taking things in to their own hands to try saving the few fish remaining in the lake from the Poachers. This has led to confrontations between Poachers and those who fish responsibly.

It will take around the clock enforcement to catch all the poachers and continued enforcement moving forward. That is what it would take to resolve the problem. Then may be the fishery will have a chance to rebound. The fishing there used to be a lot better then it is now..

JerryG


Jerry im starting the movement from last year again about putting up signs and talking to the park and trying to make the park c&r just like ralph.b.clark this time im imforming all my fellow fisherman and asking for there help SO PLEASE GUYS IF YOU GUYS WANT TO HELP SEND THOSE EMAILS AND IM SHURE A CHANGE IS IN THE NEAR FUTURE THANKS I WILL KEEP EVERYONE POSTED OF WHATS GOING ON.

PS.JERRY CALL ME I NEED TO TALK TO YOU.

[usmcfisherman]

poachers at a public lake,thats fn insane and no one cares?!i support ya 100%

[IslandBoi]

So what u r saying is that I can't use goldfish.....dangit...I was doing so good.....& ur also saying that I can't use my 7up bottles? man...talk about raining on my parade....j/k hahahaha

I know ur pain man...I see it all the time....you know I watch all these fishing shows on my new WFN network and I see all these hogs being caught and I just wish we had a fishery out here...but alas...poachers....GRRRR!!!!

I suck at freshwater fishing anywayz.....been to Irvine and Corona and here and there...total count....3 trout...hahahhaha

[onehook]

Legg Lake (lake lake ) could be very nice if .... There was some Rule Enforcment , in the 60's all people working there knew the Rules and would mention them to you, Park Rules and Regs. were posted ,all around the lake , we have 1 DFG WARDEN for the whole area , Take PICTURES and take a little bit of time to show them to the Park Manager, DFG WARDEN , and see if there is a Park Group or Foundation. Your Concerns are very legit

[SHAD MAN 09]

california dfg hahahaha thats a joke ive seen maybe 3. The dfg in ca is so short handed and most likely worse then b4 with budget cuts. :ROFL::ROFL::ROFL:

BUT I AGREE THEIR SHOULD BE SOMETHING DONE!:Angry:

[Koontaj]

Ya! your right bro. I was their last thursday and seen this guy catch a small bass and it seemed to be putting in his bag. I asked him...your going to keep that? (He played..me dont speak english) Then I asked him in spanish...but in a more disturbing tone....he said Oh! no and through it back in. I noticed he had a bike and was short and brown....sorry border brothers...you need stop that shi#$@%@. Sad to say, but i see my people do this a lot.

[Sebastian323]

the DFG might even make money with so many poaching tickets to give out

[NICKYMOUSE8]

exactly, we need to form an alliance of anglers ''c.a.L.L'' task force we will vote for a presiden t vice,treasury etc we will address the problems we face as modern day city anglers trying to make it a better park over all.:Cool:we will be hosting events,meeting,touraments etc lets put all the drama aside fellas and work as a team we are''C.A.L.L'' Concerned Anglers of Legg Lake what do ya think??:Wink:

[smokinflies]

exactly, we need to form an alliance of anglers ''c.a.L.L'' task force we will vote for a presiden t vice,treasury etc we will address the problems we face as modern day city anglers trying to make it a better park over all.:Cool:we will be hosting events,meeting,touraments etc lets put all the drama aside fellas and work as a team we are''C.A.L.L'' Concerned Anglers of Legg Lake what do ya think??:Wink:

great name and idea primo, but it's never gonna happen:Sad:.

this thread is all talk and no action.

[NICKYMOUSE8]

great name and idea primo, but it's never gonna happen:Sad:.

this thread is all talk and no action.great all i need is to hear another useless quote from smokin flies dude stop thinking about so negative it can ,could, will, should,maybe is what i'd like to hear plus don't you think it would be cool we could like show all the poor kids how to fish properly the importance of catch&release on non stocked fish or in general c&r and how not to leave a mess etc etc.c'mon LARRY will be the president of Legg Lake and so on & so fourth i have a dream.................kind of deal :Envious:

[BIG*GAME*HUNTER]

great all i need is to hear another useless quote from smokin flies dude stop thinking about so negative it can ,could, will, should,maybe is what i'd like to hear plus don't you think it would be cool we could like show all the poor kids how to fish properly the importance of catch&release on non stocked fish or in general c&r and how not to leave a mess etc etc.c'mon LARRY will be the president of Legg Lake and so on & so fourth i have a dream.................kind of deal :Envious:

THE JUSTICE LEGG....sounds alot more hardcore plus comes with outfits so the public will fear no more..lol..

[smokinflies]

great all i need is to hear another useless quote from smokin flies dude stop thinking about so negative it can ,could, will, should,maybe is what i'd like to hear plus don't you think it would be cool we could like show all the poor kids how to fish properly the importance of catch&release on non stocked fish or in general c&r and how not to leave a mess etc etc.c'mon LARRY will be the president of Legg Lake and so on & so fourth i have a dream.................kind of deal :Envious:

here's another useless post on this useless thread.

sorry about the negativity primo, but ever since i've been on the boards i been hearing about this problem over and over again, and yet nobody has taken the initiative to do something about it.:Sad:

yeah larry would make a great president of legg lake:Cool:.

BTW wanna hit peck pit or SFD early tomorrow morning. i'm getting tired of this legg lake crap.

[NICKYMOUSE8]

Alright, lets get down to brass tax here how much for the chimp man??:ROFL:

[smokinflies]

Alright, lets get down to brass tax here how much for the chimp man??:ROFL:

what!?! :???:

[Oz]

i think the only way things will change at that lake is hit up your local city counsel or mayor with tons of petition emails.

[fishrookie]

how about doing a little under cover work. like those people who film the hookers working in there neighborhood. film them doing all this stuff and maybe try to get a news group out there. channel 5 in the morning is always out doing simple news cast maybe they will jump on that and if you can get them to beat you up a couple times on film it might help the cause. just a thought

[NICKYMOUSE8]

That exactly what is going to end up happening thank you im sure a city council meeting would be in good order i know ''some'' guys that actually want to take action like myself but, we don't get the kind of support we seek only ''WE'' can do something about ''I'' or ''he'' OR ''IT'' would n't be able to make a change without some decent amount of serious local anglers to address concerns so thanks again i feel this post is just another step we must take to address the promblem and come up with reasonable and fair solutions with out alot of negative feed back from bench warmers.

[smokinflies]

That exactly what is going to end up happening thank you im sure a city council meeting would be in good order i know ''some'' guys that actually want to take action like myself but, we don't get the kind of support we seek only ''WE'' can do something about ''I'' or ''he'' OR ''IT'' would n't be able to make a change without some decent amount of serious local anglers to address concerns so thanks again i feel this post is just another step we must take to address the promblem and come up with reasonable and fair solutions with out alot of negative feed back from bench warmers.

sounds like your the man for the job to get this ball rolling. let's see you put your words into action, primo.


i'll keep the bench warm for you.

[NICKYMOUSE8]

Cool now just grab a ''bench'' and sit eat some popcorn and relax..........:Neutral:and i just found out we missed the next city council meeting next i will post next month meeting once i get the next date okie dokey??during this time some papers will get typed up for a presentation

[smokinflies]

Cool now just grab a ''bench'' and sit eat some popcorn and relax..........:Neutral:and i just found out we missed the next city council meeting next i will post next month meeting once i get the next date okie dokey??during this time some papers will get typed up for a presentation

i'm down but i didn't receive an email.

[smokehound]

In this case, vigilante justice is needed. Mwahahaha.

Take photos of them, take photos of their car, study them quietly, write down license plates, give detailed information, right down to what rods they use.

Catch evidence of them using bluegills and other illegal live baits. If you try hard enough, you can save this lake.

i guarantee you several arrests if you keep on their asses. (perhaps deportation as well)

[fishrookie]

In this case, vigilante justice is needed. Mwahahaha.

Take photos of them, take photos of their car, study them quietly, write down license plates, give detailed information, right down to what rods they use.

Catch evidence of them using bluegills and other illegal live baits. If you try hard enough, you can save this lake.

i guarantee you several arrests if you keep on their asses. (perhaps deportation as well)

i agree, somebody has to have a high powered lens for there camera that could do this.
or even get a friendly group together to walk the lake and ask wheres your Lic, why are you using that for bait, dont you know that illegal. and get it all on tape. and then contact a news group to let them know how your trying to take back the lake from illegal fishermen cause the state wont do it. the only reason they do it is cause nobody tries stopping them.
or sit here throwing rocks at the water where they are fishing and if they say anything tell them you no speak

[smokehound]

Its ridiculous, because the whole political correctness BS protects them from "racism".


If we cry foul against a "minority" its racist? Bullshit!


By the way how can anyone stand being called a minority?

[BIG*GAME*HUNTER]

Its ridiculous, because the whole political correctness BS protects them from "racism".


If we cry foul against a "minority" its racist? Bullshit!


By the way how can anyone stand being called a minority?


that's what a RACIST would say...lol..:Angry:

[jerryG]

Just when I thought I had seen it all at Legg I was fishing there the other day when a dude rolls up on a bike. He has a 1 gallon orange container in his hand as he walks up.

-He asks me if I ever fished live minnows for bass?

-I tell him nope, I don't use live minnows. Just artificial lures.

-He then tells me live minnows is the best way to catch bass as he empties out some water from his orange juice bottle in to his hand. He reaches out his hand to show me a tiny live bluegill and bass.

-Then he asks me if I want to buy some minnows for bait.

-I told him I wasn't interested in buying any bait.

-No sense in trying to reason with the guy he new what he was doing was wrong and really didn't care.

-He proceeded to ask everyone who was fishing if they wanted to buy live minnows from him.



You can add this to the list of illegal things going on at Legg....


JerryG

[Danny300]

what a shame.......i can't believe people are using small bluegills/bass for bait what a waste. Anyone who knows anything about legg lake...should know by now goldfish work way better!

[gavin310]

It's too bad the DFG doesn't do mass ticketing. Like instead of sending DFG agents to random lakes, pick 1 lake a day and send ALL the available DFG agents there. So instead of ticketing 1 person and having the rest run and hide, do a group assault and ticket 20 people at once.

[smokinflies]

Just when I thought I had seen it all at Legg I was fishing there the other day when a dude rolls up on a bike. He has a 1 gallon orange container in his hand as he walks up.

-He asks me if I ever fished live minnows for bass?

-I tell him nope, I don't use live minnows. Just artificial lures.

-He then tells me live minnows is the best way to catch bass as he empties out some water from his orange juice bottle in to his hand. He reaches out his hand to show me a tiny live bluegill and bass.

-Then he asks me if I want to buy some minnows for bait.

-I told him I wasn't interested in buying any bait.

-No sense in trying to reason with the guy he new what he was doing was wrong and really didn't care.

-He proceeded to ask everyone who was fishing if they wanted to buy live minnows from him.



You can add this to the list of illegal things going on at Legg....


JerryG

jerry, this happened to me not to long ago. some fool asked me what i was fishing for, and then offered to sell me some bait.


what a shame.......i can't believe people are using small bluegills/bass for bait what a waste. Anyone who knows anything about legg lake...should know by now goldfish work way better!

yeah, but you gotta pay for goldfish.

[NICKYMOUSE8]

what a shame.......i can't believe people are using small bluegills/bass for bait what a waste. Anyone who knows anything about legg lake...should know by now goldfish work way better!That is too illegal to use Dannhy300 at Legg or any other body of water around here:LOL:

[Danny300]

Nickymouse! you caught that.......lol you didn't pm me for the nearest pet store to legg like some other people have done :))

[Little Bass Mike]

Carlos, I'll send an email now.. well said brotha..

[smokehound]

that's what a RACIST would say...lol..:Angry:I hope you're joking. if not, put the bucket down, and back away lmfao

[The Angler]

THE JUSTICE LEGG....sounds alot more hardcore plus comes with outfits so the public will fear no more..lol..

hahaha :Twisted::Twisted::ROFL:

[Danny300]

taking ducks from legg lake is illegal???? I didn't know that.....i can fit more fish in my bucket now....thanks guys!

[jerryG]

taking ducks from legg lake is illegal???? I didn't know that.....i can fit more fish in my bucket now....thanks guys!

Feel free to poach all the ducks, geese, and commerants you want.. I would be happy to see them go...

JerryG

[smokinflies]

taking ducks from legg lake is illegal???? ...

are you joking or just a freakin' moron!?!

[Vman]

Fish-N-Games warden show up this morning at Isenhoward ( spelling ?) this morning in a plain, unmarked truck. He checked for licenses and ask about illegal use of bluegills as bait. Where are those Aholes when the warden shows up ? It was long overdue.

[NICKYMOUSE8]

Fish-N-Games warden show up this morning at Isenhoward ( spelling ?) this morning in a plain, unmarked truck. He checked for licenses and ask about illegal use of bluegills as bait. Where are those Aholes when the warden shows up ? It was long overdue.exactly dude BAD TIMING ALWAYS! d.f.g are just like cops never around when ya really need em and always around when ya dont' want em so i guess you have seen the same problems we face ?bcause it sounds like being at Legg..

[megafisher94]

i seen all of that at eisenhower park... another think ive seen bass THROWN IN TRASH CANS ALIVE and HUNG FROM TREES TO DIE.
i dont know y this happens... it just does.

[megafisher94]

[quote=smokehound;376247]Its ridiculous, because the whole political correctness BS protects them from "racism".


If we cry foul against a "minority" its racist? Bullshit!
quote]
amen

[livecrawdad]

I used to fish Legg Lake when I was younger so I know the potential it has. I choose not to go there now because all of the stuff mentioned in this post! I agree that the wetbacks need to be put in check!!! I can say wetbacks, thats not racist.... Im mexican and I dont care, they are destroying that place... wait... Destroyed that place! Sucks cause thats the closest lake to me (Pico Rivera). Im down with JBASSC... Im messaging him today! if theres something I can do, even if its just a voice, im in.... id like to one day be able to fish that lake!!!!!!

[livecrawdad]

PS.I WOULD REALLY APRECIATE IF THE PEOPLE THAT WANT TO SUPPORT ME AND THE LEGG TO MAKE A CHANGE PLEASE EMAIL MR.DON NELSON (DFG) AT dnelson@dfg.ca.gov AND EXPLAIN THAT A CHANGE AT LEGG NEEDS TO BE DONE.

It would be awesome if everyone e-mailed him.... even if you dont fish this lake...

Thanks!!!!

[seal]

illegal things at legg and it's not a race issue :ROFL:
drink beers and fish guys. you all sound like local surfers kicking out tourists.

Man I've been thinking this for a while but never thought anybody would get the connection! Surf wars or fishing wars, never could understand the I own this spot cause I fish/surf it more than anybody else. I have a crowd in one of my usual spots, I move on to another spot.

Hate to say it but too many rats in a cage surrounding these City Parks, this stuff is inevitable unfortunately probably best to go somewhere out of town like say Silverwood Lake.

Wait I take it back, stay away Silverwoods my home break!

[Strong Bass]

Don’t know if your still on FNN but you hit it right on the head with that one.. that’s exactly what’s happening. Never once have I been checked for a fishing license at legg. I have one, always, every year. I’m sure 80% of people that fish there don’t have one.

[castle]

Just when I thought I had seen it all at Legg I was fishing there the other day when a dude rolls up on a bike. He has a 1 gallon orange container in his hand as he walks up.

-He asks me if I ever fished live minnows for bass?

-I tell him nope, I don't use live minnows. Just artificial lures.

-He then tells me live minnows is the best way to catch bass as he empties out some water from his orange juice bottle in to his hand. He reaches out his hand to show me a tiny live bluegill and bass.

-Then he asks me if I want to buy some minnows for bait.

-I told him I wasn't interested in buying any bait.

-No sense in trying to reason with the guy he new what he was doing was wrong and really didn't care.

-He proceeded to ask everyone who was fishing if they wanted to buy live minnows from him.



You can add this to the list of illegal things going on at Legg....


JerryG
Wow! I guess people are desperate enough to do that kind of crap nowdays.