So I passed up the Curado and the Core..

[tacklejunkie]

...And picked up the new Chrony! Didn't see that coming did you?

It still has the same handle/spool play that my 50mg did, so I'm just gonna deal with it this time. The manual says there is a back up anti-reverse in case the main one fails anyways so I guess the play is nothing to be worried about since I won't be jerking with this reel. It's so refined in every other way I can let that one tiny thing slide.

Damn, I didn't see this one coming either. Most expensive reel I've purchased yet. The 300 yard spool of 55lb (10lb dia) Daiwa Samurai braid is on it's way from tackle warehouse to compliment the reel!
The rod wrapping will have to wait a little longer :LOL::Secret:

Figured I'd post some pics of the reel since you can't see so much detail online. Sex on "reels"! Lots of refined goodies on this thing.

7:1 baby!
http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff280/tacklejunkie/chronarch/Chronarchandlures7-17-09005.jpg

I kinda like the wide open thumb bay
That coated line guide lip is off the chain!
http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff280/tacklejunkie/chronarch/Chronarchandlures7-17-09006.jpg

Sideplate release
http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff280/tacklejunkie/chronarch/Chronarchandlures7-17-09007.jpg

Heavily ported/lightened reel foot/frame. They also ported/channeled the top of the reel foot to save more weight!
http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff280/tacklejunkie/chronarch/Chronarchandlures7-17-09008.jpg

aluminum levelwind parts!
http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff280/tacklejunkie/chronarch/Chronarchandlures7-17-09009.jpg

STylish handle, clicking drag star, low pro cast control
http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff280/tacklejunkie/chronarch/Chronarchandlures7-17-09010.jpg

http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff280/tacklejunkie/chronarch/Chronarchandlures7-17-09011.jpg

Look at that wicked tapered line guide! :EyePop: Nice!
http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff280/tacklejunkie/chronarch/Chronarchandlures7-17-09012.jpg

No hastle or spool release VBS adjustment
Also bearing raced free floating pinion (not shown)
http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff280/tacklejunkie/chronarch/Chronarchandlures7-17-09013.jpg

I like this handle better than curado handle
http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff280/tacklejunkie/chronarch/Chronarchandlures7-17-09014.jpg

I'm freakin way stoked! Can't wait for the Samurai to show up so I can go out and fish it! I can hardly contain myself!
P.S.. repainting the Sol again too so I had to get a backup reel!

[Flying]

...And picked up the new Chrony! Didn't see that coming did you?

Didn't surprise me one bit.

I think its time for a intervention.:LOL:

[a biley]

I honestly would have gotten the Core 100Mg instead, exact same reel but MG.

[tacklejunkie]

I honestly would have gotten the Core 100Mg instead, exact same reel but MG.
Yeah, that's why I did not want the core.
I fish the salt too.
TackleTour is claiming they like the feel of the chronarch over the Core anyways. ( http://www.tackletour.com/reviewshimanochronarchdpreview.html )
This reel should suit me good I think. It's the same frame as the core, just aluminum. I already went over budget as it was..

[a biley]

Actually the core is rated for salt... but i think it's recommended for inshore which is what you'd probably be doing. The only thing the Chronarch D has over the core is the bearings in the handles. Im glad the NEW core will have that! I was playing around with the Chronarch D and since it was smoother, I wanted it. I told my GF to not let me touch that reel ever again.

One reason I want that Chronarch is that it would balance better with a MH rod, but I don't want a 7:1 or a 5:0. I'm bummed that the new Core 50Mg will only be a high speed.

[4g63power]

Very nice purchase! Way more versatile than the core as you can fish the salt...have you ever had any problem with your sol from using it in salt? I used mine once or twice and is fine still but I'm still skeptical about it.

[4g63power]

Mg+salt=no good

[tacklejunkie]

Very nice purchase! Way more versatile than the core as you can fish the salt...have you ever had any problem with your sol from using it in salt? I used mine once or twice and is fine still but I'm still skeptical about it.

Now days,
I expect all my reels to be able to handle a dunk in the surf like my SOL and keep fishing. If they get sand in them or start grinding coffe, I dunk them again until it's out and keep fishing. Then clean when I get home. My Sol handles this.

My Sol handles dunks fully submerged in and out for 15 seconds in the surf. Yours might vary. I won't hesitate to tear mine completely apart and clean out every grain of sand once a month though. :Wink: I love that reel. I can't kill mine but Matt D broke the ring off the drag star on his but it still works fine. He just needs to have it tack welded back on or CNC a new custom drag star or something. I drilled a bunch of holes all over my sol handle and star. I love that reel and compare most things to it! It does not have any play like either of the two nicer Shimano casters I have owned.

[Skyler]

Didn't surprise me one bit.

I think its time for a intervention.:LOL:

Ha ha ha ha ha! Exactly!


Nice reel, bro. Must be hella light with all those aluminum parts. We'll see how those levelwind gears weather in the long run. if they hold up, I'd say you have a winner, even with the little bit of backplay.

[DarkShadow]

Does it have backplay? :LOL:

[tacklejunkie]

Does it have backplay? :LOL:When compared to my Luna and Sol, yes it does.

If you hold the spool of the Luna or Sol, the handle won't wiggle back and fourth.

If you hold the spool on the Chronarch, the handle wiggles back and fourth.

Also, if you hold the handle of the Luna or Sol, the spool won't wiggle.

It does on the Chronarch if you hold the handle.

I don't know exactly what that means (hookset authority loss?), but I did not like it on my 50MG when jerkin'. It was noisy too. Lucky, I don't play on jerkin much with this reel cause my Sol is used mostly with my small hardbaits.

Just saying what I feel. I know this Chronarch will cast a mile though and has an awesome drag just from feeling it so it's going to work out fine. Nice clicking drag star and crazy smooth feeling retrieve. Huge drag poundage for that braid or beefier stuff if I need it too.

[TheFishcatcher]

I kinda like the smoothness of the core a tick more than the Chronarch but that's just a personal preference. Nevertheless, the Ch100 is still one hell of a sweet reel. Hope u'll tagged a huge number of pigs on that reel.

[a biley]

Mg+salt=no good

All of Shimano MG reels have a special coating which allows it for salt. Although no matter how much that is so.. I would not use it in salt, but many use it for inshore. This is why I prefer Shimano MG reels over Daiwa.

[a biley]

I read an in depth description as to why there is backplay in Shimano reels. Basically it's because of the gears and its there to not sacrifice power or something. It has something to do with spacing, and you can actually get rid of it.

[tacklejunkie]

Both the old Daiwa Fuego reels (red and chrome not silver red and chrome) are rated for saltwater too. They have special saltwater paint coatings and the likes. I used to use my old Fuego MG spinner in the salt with no probs. Though the new Fuego spinner now went to that new carbon stuff.

Here' some info on the play.
I'm sure it's mod-able. I never looked on my MG50 when I had it.
http://www.tackletour.net/TTForums/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=39754


That's the real cause of that backplay in all the Shimano reels - I can confirm since I service mine on regular basis. And that's why all the Daiwa reels I own don't have such backplay - because they don't use this kind of system in their clutch - the roller bearing sleeve sits directly on top of the drag washers - the first metallic one.

[tacklejunkie]

Haha,
I sent an email to Shimano asking why their reels have this backplay vs my Daiwas. I tried to be as nice about it as possible and explain the problem thoroughly. I wonder if I'll get a respone. Maybe there's a reason for it. Mayeb not. I'll post if I hear back.

[husonfirst]

Very nice acquisition!:Big Grin:

[calico killer kevin]

Backup for the Sol?!?!?!

I no tink so...

[Socal Bassman]

Very nice reel indeed bro!

[That Dang Guy]

Although I don't have any experience with fishing freshwater braid, I think you made a better choice by going with the aluminum version. I'd imagine it would feel a bit more solid compared to the MG version.

The only thing I don't like about it, is the old style ergonomics. Everything now is going smaller and more compact. But i'm sure the guys with bigger hands hate this trend. =p

[tacklejunkie]

I actually like the smaller reels and have somewhat big hands.

I dunno folks. I think I'm a Daiwa guy. I just can't get over the play in the handle and spool. I just realized if I use this reel in some jigging situations I may still feel the spool and handle play and hear that clicking noise like when jerking.

At risk of looking like a jackass noob,
Here's my email and response to/from Shimano Re: the handle play with ch100D7 vs the Sol.. although trying not to compare, I have to have some sort of example.

Figured it couldn't hurt to ask the source instead of worry about a bunch of forum finger pointing.


-----Original Message-----
From:casey's email
Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2009 3:05 PM
To: fishsitefeedback
Subject: Reel Inquiry

Name: Casey

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Country: USA
Message: Hello Shimano staff,

I have been fishing large mouth bass and inshore halibut and spotties every weekend or so for a couple years now so my experience is very limited. I have purchased and tried several brand of reel on the market now and have found pretty much Shimano and Daiwa are top names.

I'm not trying to get into the famous which brand war. I like reels from both brands. My question comes down to your baitcaster lineup and the handle play that may or may not be present. I own several Daiwa spinners and baitcasters and have started to branch out into Shimano spinners. I like the quality and build amongst the smooth drag and many other features of the Shimano spinners.

When it comes to comparing Daiwa baitcasters to Shimano baitcasters (specifically the low profile versions), I find there is a wiggle in the handle that the Daiwa reels do not exhibit with the Shimano baitcasters. I have read several things on the internet forums that are likely just hearsay and would like to get the opinion on the matter from the source.

To be specific..
I would like to compare my Daiwa Sol Baitcaster with my recently purchased Chronarch 100D7. Just about all the features of the new Chronarch are better until it comes to the handle backplay. The Sol has none! I would have no problems using it for jerkbaits on largemouth bass and the likes, where as I would get noise from the reel and an "unconnected" feel with my Chronarch.

Is there a reason that this handle play is built in to the Chronarch? Will this dampen my hookset authority or should I not worry about it and keep on the fish? Not trying to make a reel comparison but just using this for example.

When I hold the Sol spool, the handle will not wiggle.

When I hold the Chronarch spool, the handle will wiggle back and fourth about 1mm.

Likewise, when I hold the Sol handle, the spool will not wiggle.

When I hold the Chronarch handle, the spool will wiggle.

Hopefully this explains what I mean in further detail. Any input you could provide on the situation would be greatly appreciated. The Chronarch is brand new purchased 7-17 from Bass Pro Shops in Rancho Cucamonga, California. I really love my Chronarch 100D7 but my old 50MG had this problem form the get go as well, so seems to be a reason for it?

Thanks again for your time. Shimano and Daiwa customer,
Casey


Reply...........

Casey,

There can be a small amount of play if you try to force the handle. This play does not have anything to do with the reel when you set the hook. In fact most of this play is actually in the pinion bearing and spool cross pin. We leave a little play here to ensure positive engagement of the pinion gear to the spool with reduced wear on the pinion gear.

There are only 2-3 manufacturers that offer these bearings. We go with the bearings that meet our strict QC requirements for durability and corrosion resistance. The Chronarch D7 also has our assist stopper which is a back up anti reverse. This acts as a back up should the primary bearing fail or slip.


Dan Thorburn
Product Support Specialist
I think he forgets to address my issue about the noise the reels can exhibit and I actually might be forcing the spool or handle some while jerking or jigging or setting the hook. I just went down and felt several other Shimano reels and they all do this. I also see that if you tighten the drag some (not even all the way necessary) and push the spool in the way a fish would pull, there is flex in the anti-reverse. In my newbie opinion this could translate to loss in hookset power. But what do I know. :???:

Whatever the case.. I keep trying to like Shimano casters but I just feel more connected with a Daiwa!

[bsp]

For what it's worth TJ, I use a Calcutta 400 and Curado 301DSV for swimbaits and they both have the back play. This (and sometimes the noise) becomes obvious when working a Lunker Punker quickly, but I have had zero mechanical failures (so far) be brought about by the handle slipping backwards. I think it is because their bearings don't "catch" whenever they stop like on Daiwas. It's like they aren't machined with the tightest tolerances, but I have no idea what the engineering/technical reason would be.

Your concern about anti reverse flex is a valid one, as the anti reverses on the Toriums and Trinidads have been known to break when under pressure from a large fish. I have never seen it, but there are enough guys that upgrade the bearings to make me think it is valid. I doubt a bass could put enough pressure on the reel to do that before the line broke, but it could happen with a 10lb bass, 65lb braid, locked down drag, and very little line out.

In any case, sorry to hear that the reel you spent good money on did not meet your expectations. Return it and get your money back if it isn't all that you wanted. For $300 you shouldn't have any complaints about your reel. Maybe a Zillion or a TD-Z if you could find one would be better? Ichiban always has some interesting used Daiwa JDMs if you feel like going that route.

[That Dang Guy]

The Toriums and Trinidads were never originally designed to fish the amount of drag it has now. If you're fine with fishing 16 or so pounds of drag, it'll be fine. Past 18-20+ (which is definitely possible with carbontexs) theres a possibility of antireverse bearing failure. Fishing the stock range, you shouldn't encounter this problem. But now that alot of people are fishing braid, it becomes an issue. The new Trinidad DC helped alleviate this problem by adding a springed dog pawl. I'm unsure if the antireverse bearing is any different on the newer units.

But with that said, I don't think it has anything to do with the antireverse bearing. It's the amount of play betweenthe pinion and it's pin and the amount of play between the roller sleeve and the main gear.

[tacklejunkie]

Well I'm pretty sure I'm a Daiwa fan for life now.
Decided to return the Chronarch and buy a Steez to show my love after selling a few things to gain some money on the purchase.
I tried, Shimano. Just not my cup of tea.
I boggled over 6.3 or 7.1 for a while. Not too much of a difference there so just bought the fast red one with the lower capacity for longest casting distance possible.

I'll just keep using the Sol and the Luna for the fresh and saltwater and keep this fresh.

Now I need a carbontex set and some ceramic bearings..
http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff280/tacklejunkie/Steez/steez7-21001.jpg

How should I tie on my braid? :LOL: (shut up!)

http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff280/tacklejunkie/Steez/steez7-21004.jpg

[a biley]

BOOO!!! Shimano for LIFE!

[a biley]

Like they said, the back play doesn't affect the hookset, but if you're more comfortable with the Daiwa, go ahead! the Steez is a nice reel.

[4g63power]

ballin! congrats on your purchase..many shimano fans are rather biased and narrow minded.

[tacklejunkie]

That might be so (as far as the play not effecting the hookset),
but IMO the flex might. Also, the sound of the racketing back and fourth from the play when jerking and jigging gets to me and makes me feel unconnected.

Nothing against Shimano. I love my Saros to death. I guess I'm just used to Daiwa. Everything else about those Shimano reels is very nice in my opinion. My newb opinion doesn't mean much around here anyways appearantly. I can not put an $8 part in the Shimano to rid of the play I don't like but I can put an $8 carbontex washer set in the Steez if needed and be set for a while as it has no play that I will notice when fishing it.

[a biley]

ballin! congrats on your purchase..many shimano fans are rather biased and narrow minded.

please explain the narrow mindedness... it goes both ways with daiwa fans and shimano fans.

[bsp]

Awesome new high speed Steez, and glad to hear that you have no complaints with it like you did the Chronarch. There are a lot of after market modifications out there for the Steez (aside from the Carbontex) too in case you ever feel like it. I look forward to seeing your ninja reports with some big bass caught on it!

As for the whole Daiwa vs. Shimano fans thing, they both make very good quality reels but each has their own negatives too. It's like getting into a debate on cars. Chevy or Ford, Toyota or Honda, Lamborghini or Ferrari. All good companies, but some prefer one over the other. I personally own reels from each, and like them both.

[a biley]

As for the whole Daiwa vs. Shimano fans thing, they both make very good quality reels but each has their own negatives too. It's like getting into a debate on cars. Chevy or Ford, Toyota or Honda, Lamborghini or Ferrari. All good companies, but some prefer one over the other. I personally own reels from each, and like them both.

Exactly, I owned both before too. It's personal preference...

Now TJ, break that reel in!

[calico killer kevin]

So glad that I'm not the only person here with this problem lol.

This is the exact reason why I try not to return things. I always ended adding a few more bucks to buy something better even though the initial purchase was pushing the budget cap.

Nice reel anyhoo.

[vanillagurilla]

shoulda looked for a curado 100b on ebay. its the same size as the chrono 50mg, same bearings except its not mag so u can use it in the salt.

[tacklejunkie]

Put the braid on last night.

Tested a short piece with several knots. First time I've tried the uni to uni and it was harder than I thought but came out nice and strong. Now I got it down easy.

Ended up putting 3 yards of 12lb Ande mono on as backing because I couldn't get anything else to not slip. Connected with an Uni to Uni and spooled on the braid. Stuff feels cool! Can't wait to go try it out.

I read a lot of stuff about braid last night so hopefully I'm prepared for my first experience with it. :LOL: looser drag instead of tighter and how to prevent line burying and all that. I can already tell this is pretty nice braid just from feeling it versus the stuff VG left over here on his reel for a long time. I don't think I'm using the right type of rod for the braid but I can always fix that later.

Can't wait to get out and break it in. Will have to go get some scratches on it and get it over with. This one is not going back to the store for sure!
http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff280/tacklejunkie/Steez/steezlines004.jpg

[Skyler]

Put the braid on last night.

Tested a short piece with several knots. First time I've tried the uni to uni and it was harder than I thought but came out nice and strong. Now I got it down easy.

Ended up putting 3 yards of 12lb Ande mono on as backing because I couldn't get anything else to not slip. Connected with an Uni to Uni and spooled on the braid. Stuff feels cool! Can't wait to go try it out.

I read a lot of stuff about braid last night so hopefully I'm prepared for my first experience with it. :LOL: looser drag instead of tighter and how to prevent line burying and all that. I can already tell this is pretty nice braid just from feeling it versus the stuff VG left over here on his reel for a long time. I don't think I'm using the right type of rod for the braid but I can always fix that later.

Can't wait to get out and break it in. Will have to go get some scratches on it and get it over with. This one is not going back to the store for sure!
http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff280/tacklejunkie/Steez/steezlines004.jpg

Sweet. Braid rocks. You are probably gonna lose a few fish at first, due to over-horsing the hook, but once you get used to to the zero stretch you will never look back. Way more sensitive than even flouro. One tip that I learned the hard way is this, you can not slam 'em with your hooksets anymore, the hook will rip clean through. Instead just pull against the pressure and the fish will hook themselves. Good luck with the new spool.

[calico killer kevin]

Hey regarding the rod, I like to use rods with more of a mod-fast action so I can still slam the hookset and not worry about pulling hooks.