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foo79
06-30-2009, 02:50 PM
I once read that holding fish by the lips and "torquing" them into a horizontal position can cause damage to a fish's jaws and may even DISLOCATE their jaws! If you must hold a fish by the lips, it's better to hold them in a vertical position rather than using their jaw as a fulcrum and lifting it in a horizontal position and placing the fish's weight onto its jaw.

Even better would be to hold a fish with 2 hands, one hand at the lips and the other hand cradling the fish from underneath.

I see many pics of spotties where people hold their catch by the lips and "twisting" them up into a horizontal position and I cringe to think that MAYBE there's a chance that their jaws might break, thereby denying them the ability to feed. I'm not trying to be self-righteous here but just trying to determine the best practices in C&R'ing to ensure a higher probability of surviving.

You can read more about handling bass properly here: http://www.bassdozer.com/articles/manns/holding_bass.shtml and search around the 'net for other reports talking about this issue.

Granted this article talks about freshwater largemouth bass but i'm sure it can apply to spotties and other sea-faring bass as well.

What do you guys think? I try to be careful when I lip handle a fish and always make sure I hold them in a vertical position. I may be overreacting but I figure better safe than sorry!

bsp
06-30-2009, 03:14 PM
It's nice that you are concerned about the fish, but honestly holding a spottie sideways like that for a picture doesn't hurt them. If you shook it and twirled it around for a minute, maybe doing some sort of weird celebration dance it probably would, but holding it up for 10 seconds doesn't do anything. For really big bass (10lb largemouth), the horizontal with two hands is the best, as you said, but for a normal spotty like the ones in your pix it's not necessary. People aren't killing the bass by holding it horizontal for the time it takes to snap a picture.

troutdog
06-30-2009, 03:22 PM
I think you missed your calling "foo" :LOL:
http://www.peta.org/about/involved.asp (http://www.peta.org/about/involved.asp)


TD

jle714
06-30-2009, 03:30 PM
I think you missed your calling "foo" :LOL:
http://www.peta.org/about/involved.asp (http://www.peta.org/about/involved.asp)
TD

http://dragyoutohell.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/80680839.jpg

boxl0bster
06-30-2009, 03:38 PM
http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w27/daryladams2/CIMG1531.jpg

how about this way? :???:

btw thanks for the report and thanks for finally posting after 6months...:Wink:

troutdog
06-30-2009, 03:40 PM
http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w27/daryladams2/CIMG1531.jpg

how about this way?

btw thanks for the report and thanks for finally posting after 6months...

That really only works for largemouth bass though! :Wink: :Secret:


TD

boxl0bster
06-30-2009, 03:42 PM
then i need to get me a gaff quick next time i head to dvl lol:Razz:

DccFISHerMan
06-30-2009, 04:24 PM
just take a 22

Gossamer
06-30-2009, 04:36 PM
[QUOTE=foo79;363042] If you must hold a fish by the lips, it's better to hold them in a VERTICAL POSITIONrather than using their jaw as a fulcrum and lifting it in a horizontal position and placing the fish's weight onto its jaw.




Someone may have addressed this but I am to lazy to read everyone'e reply all 15 of my fingers are sore today due to the fact I ate an LB butt and I am now growing extra digits. It's is very noble of you to post how to handle a fish, they thank you, but you may want to due more research before posting such advice. Holding a fish vertical is also detrimental to it's health. Not so much the smaller ones but on the bigger fish when you hold the fish vertical it will squish there guts inside them and can also harm the fish. When they are in the water you have to realize the weight of the fish is not so much of an issue no matter what position they are in, once you take them out of the water, this myserious force we call gravity will start to pull on the inside of the fish and can cause internal damage to organs. So if you must post advice on how to hold a fish don't replace one damaging habit with another....all the seakittens will thank you for it.


http://capmel.com/Holding_fish_vertically.htm

go fish
06-30-2009, 04:40 PM
Hmmmmm The way I set the HOOK will damage fish more than holding it for a pic.:ROFL:

HESBROS
07-01-2009, 09:14 AM
If you are going to use my pictures as examples, then say something direct to me! My friends and I have caught 100's of spotted bay bass in the past two years, and of those 100's we have had 3 die. The three that died had nothing to do with the way we handled the fish but more the fact they were hooked deep in the throat or stomach. Now take into account the fact that we could be keeping anywhere from 20-30 fish each trip depending on the number of anglers on the boat, I would have to say anytime we release a fish, by lipping it, holding it horizontal, or whatever, the fact we release it is better than the alternative of sure death! Just be happy that there are those of us that practice CPR. If it would make you happy, I will start killing all the fish I catch to ensure that there is no damage or dislocated jaws.

Oh yeah, have a nice day!:Smile:

troutdog
07-01-2009, 09:44 AM
Ok, all I was doing was trying to post a concern...

Okay granted "all you were trying to do was post your concern" and I think most people could have appreciated that, but what you did in the process was make an example out of a couple of very well respected members of this forum. Are you telling me you couldn't have pulled examples of "improper handling" off another website or forum rather than some recently posted pictures on this one? Granted I don't know you, but I will go out on a limb and say that wasn't exactly your smartest move to date. To top it off you signed up over six months ago, don't write a single report or post a single reply and then you decide to finally jump in the fray with this kind of post portraying yourself as judge and jury? Either you are not the sharpest pencil in the box or you simply have no common sense or tact, but either way that is not going to be recieved very well in any circle....internet forum or otherwise.

Personally I think you should man up and apologize to the members whos pictures you posted, delete them and if you feel so inclined replace them with some generic pictures to try and prove your point. Unless you know someone or ask their permission I would not suggest anyone to post pictures of anybody else....how would you feel if someone posted a pic of you and shed bad light upon it?

I anxiously await your first report and positive contributions to the board.


TD

sonarbp
07-01-2009, 09:45 AM
If you are going to use my pictures as examples, then say something direct to me! My friends and I have caught 100's of spotted bay bass in the past two years, and of those 100's we have had 3 die. The three that died had nothing to do with the way we handled the fish but more the fact they were hooked deep in the throat or stomach. Now take into account the fact that we could be keeping anywhere from 20-30 fish each trip depending on the number of anglers on the boat, I would have to say anytime we release a fish, by lipping it, holding it horizontal, or whatever the fact we release it is better than the alternative of sure death! Just be happy that there are those of us that practice CPR. If it would make you happy, I will start killing all the fish I catch to ensure that there is nor damage or dislocated jaws.

Oh yeah, have a nice day!:Smile:

Nicely said HESBROS!!!

bsp
07-01-2009, 10:38 AM
Okay granted "all you were trying to do was post your concern" and I think most people could have appreciated that, but what you did in the process was make an example out of a couple of very well respected members of this forum. Are you telling me you couldn't have pulled examples of "improper handling" off another website or forum rather than some recently posted pictures on this one? Granted I don't know you, but I will go out on a limb and say that wasn't exactly your smartest move to date. To top it off you signed up over six months ago, don't write a single report or post a single reply and then you decide to finally jump in the fray with this kind of post portraying yourself as judge and jury? Either you are not the sharpest pencil in the box or you simply have no common sense or tact, but either way that is not going to be recieved very well in any circle....internet forum or otherwise.

Personally I think you should man up and apologize to the members whos pictures you posted, delete them and if you feel so inclined replace them with some generic pictures to try and prove your point. Unless you know someone or ask their permission I would not suggest anyone to post pictures of anybody else....how would you feel if someone posted a pic of you and shed bad light upon it?

I anxiously await your first report and positive contributions to the board.


TD

I think that sums up everybody except foo's feelings TD. Thanks.

samgann93
07-01-2009, 10:48 AM
P.E.T.A.

People Eating Tasty Animals :Big Grin:

foo79
07-01-2009, 01:21 PM
Okay granted "all you were trying to do was post your concern" and I think most people could have appreciated that, but what you did in the process was make an example out of a couple of very well respected members of this forum. Are you telling me you couldn't have pulled examples of "improper handling" off another website or forum rather than some recently posted pictures on this one? Granted I don't know you, but I will go out on a limb and say that wasn't exactly your smartest move to date. To top it off you signed up over six months ago, don't write a single report or post a single reply and then you decide to finally jump in the fray with this kind of post portraying yourself as judge and jury? Either you are not the sharpest pencil in the box or you simply have no common sense or tact, but either way that is not going to be recieved very well in any circle....internet forum or otherwise.

Personally I think you should man up and apologize to the members whos pictures you posted, delete them and if you feel so inclined replace them with some generic pictures to try and prove your point. Unless you know someone or ask their permission I would not suggest anyone to post pictures of anybody else....how would you feel if someone posted a pic of you and shed bad light upon it?

I anxiously await your first report and positive contributions to the board.


TD


apologies then for my post. is there a way to remove the pics from the board?

i really suck at fishing and don't always have the chance to go out onto the water as much as i'd like to, not enough to post reports. but anyways, it certainly wasn't my intent to "make an example" of any specific individuals, but to provide examples of. i intentionally omitted pictures with people's faces in it but i guess individuals have been offended. apologies, really. no bad blood. but i understand your concerns but wish people would've just asked me to remove their pictures rather than just getting flamed.

i just wasn't sure if people were aware of the issue or not. that's all. let's just delete this whole damn post!

HESBROS
07-01-2009, 01:36 PM
apologies then for my post. is there a way to remove the pics from the board?

i really suck at fishing and don't always have the chance to go out onto the water as much as i'd like to, not enough to post reports. but anyways, it certainly wasn't my intent to "make an example" of any specific individuals, but to provide examples of. i intentionally omitted pictures with people's faces in it but i guess individuals have been offended. apologies, really. no bad blood. but i understand your concerns but wish people would've just asked me to remove their pictures rather than just getting flamed.

i just wasn't sure if people were aware of the issue or not. that's all. let's just delete this whole damn post!

I dont think you got flamed, not even close. As for your concerns about harming the fish. I think you would have a point maybe on a another board, but many of the members here have a pretty good idea of what they are doing and how to handle fish. I think many of the members that catch fish and plan on releasing them do so with care and ensure the fish live to fight another day. Your suggestions on how to hold the fish leaves room for arguement. Some people here will tell you that you should not handle the fish with your hands or hold them or you will damage the slime coat that is a barrier to disease and infection. Like I said before, I know I have a pretty positive release ratio and I am sure many others do as well.

victor101
07-01-2009, 01:36 PM
apologies then for my post. is there a way to remove the pics from the board?

i really suck at fishing and don't always have the chance to go out onto the water as much as i'd like to, not enough to post reports.

let's just delete this whole damn post!


are you related to lalo?

Cangler
07-01-2009, 01:53 PM
Do people really care ?

They're just fish , you catch 'em and eat them , or let them
go to get eaten ..

hakaveli
07-01-2009, 02:01 PM
are you related to lalo?

lol 3 post and already posting like that haha.
and he said he dont know how to fish too

HESBROS
07-01-2009, 02:02 PM
Here is proof that what Foo79 says is true.

This picture was taken shortly after I was hooked and held by my lower jaw by Flyngby
http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm172/ehesbol/CIMG3930.jpg

hakaveli
07-01-2009, 02:03 PM
Here is proof that what Foo79 says is true.

This picture was taken shortly after I was hooked and held by my lower jaw by Flyngby
http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm172/ehesbol/CIMG3930.jpg



hahahaa owneddddddddd

HESBROS
07-01-2009, 02:04 PM
Okay, now I am off to NPH to go catch some spotties, though I am not sure how I will hold them yet! I will cross that bridge when I get to it!:LOL:

hakaveli
07-01-2009, 02:08 PM
LaLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

foo79
07-01-2009, 02:09 PM
Okay, now I am off to NPH to go catch some spotties, though I am not sure how I will hold them yet! I will cross that bridge when I get to it!:LOL:

damn, that jaw injury looks like it sucked! ok, everyone, go catch 'em (but be as gentle as possible? :Razz: - note, i'm the worst at handling fish gently)!!!!!!

hakaveli
07-01-2009, 02:13 PM
this is how u hold spotties haha

http://www.pavilionskiff.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/skiff_piks061608016.jpg


http://www.pavilionskiff.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/skiff_piks061608.jpg


http://www.pavilionskiff.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/skiff_piks061608001.jpg

cappo
07-01-2009, 02:15 PM
damn, that jaw injury looks like it sucked! ok, everyone, go catch 'em (but be as gentle as possible? :Razz: - note, i'm the worst at handling fish gently)!!!!!!

so you say you're terrible at fishing and worst in handling fish gently. Why are you calling members out then? Pot meet Kettle.

http://www.moccasin.com.au/messandnoise/pot-kettle.jpg

Cangler
07-01-2009, 02:28 PM
Here is proof that what Foo79 says is true.

This picture was taken shortly after I was hooked and held by my lower jaw by Flyngby
http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm172/ehesbol/CIMG3930.jpg




So that's why you're wearing your whities on your head !

ghetto dad
07-01-2009, 04:11 PM
Looks like the Geordy Bass Mafia in that one pic.....:ROFL:

GD

socalfish
07-01-2009, 07:52 PM
thanks for all the info guys!!!

JSAUCE818
07-03-2009, 12:06 AM
are you related to lalo?
:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl: