The duct saturday evening 5-9 -solo mission-revenge quest

[gletemfeelsteelgary]

Saturday afternoon (leaving lake pyramid)

After only a fair day at Pyramid..

Again, I decided to get some revenge on stripey, so…
Off to the duct I go.

1st 2 spot showed no love….

The 3rd spot….whammo!

My KPN get slammed !…..

FISH ON !
http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/nn284/garywuebben/kpn_DuCt5-9-091.jpg

Another 10-15 minutes goes by.

Slow swimming my lure,…I feel that familiar rap through the line
Whammo !

Fish on !


The bites are slowly getting more aggressive in their actual bite pattern and the strikes are beginning to get more notable (Saweet !)


A lull in the bite went on…and only after quite a while I got another one.

Here are the 2nd and 3rd fish:

http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/nn284/garywuebben/kpn_DuCt5-9-092.jpg
All these fish were a little smaller grade sat night but I’m not complaining.

I did try out some bait and caught 3 small kitty’s but way small, only about 1 ½ lb pinners..

Well John (Latefisher) these stripey are dedicated to you and your brother….

Here’s to ya !

Gary

[kpn]

YOU'RE KILLING ME......GARY!!! :ROFL:. Great job as usual bro.

KPN.

[LateFisher]

Thanks Gary, we take that dedication with honor, but to be truthful i'd rather have the fish :ROFL::ROFL::ROFL::ROFL::ROFL:

[Stormcrow]

Gary,

I read all of your posts on the duct and I was wondering if you would clarify. You mention that the strike is very soft on your crankbait? How is that? I mean, does your rod not simply load up. How can you hit a crank softly? I mean, either they hit it or they dont right? I wondered about this so I thought I would ask.

[thepuma]

Once againg Gary???? Dang me... Artimus and I did a last fishing effort the same night for NADA... His girl friend was taking tons of pictures with the flash and we were out there at night, so I figured that might have had something to do with it. Every few minutes it was like lightning going off. A very pleasant night out weather wise though. Congrats on your fish AGAIN!
LOL
Take it easy bud!

[yolo]

Gary,

I read all of your posts on the duct and I was wondering if you would clarify. You mention that the strike is very soft on your crankbait? How is that? I mean, does your rod not simply load up. How can you hit a crank softly? I mean, either they hit it or they dont right? I wondered about this so I thought I would ask.

My experience has been that they do tap the crank. It is definitely a noticeable tap for me. It probably depends on the tackle being used too? I fish 14lb flourocarbon and have a 7' MH rod with fast tip. It's pretty sensitive but 3/4 oz is the max lure weight for this set up. Ususally for me though they just hammer it and run.

[gletemfeelsteelgary]

Gary,

I read all of your posts on the duct and I was wondering if you would clarify. You mention that the strike is very soft on your crankbait? How is that? I mean, does your rod not simply load up. How can you hit a crank softly? I mean, either they hit it or they don’t right? I wondered about this so I thought I would ask.

Light strikes happen in all sorts of varieties, many people probably don’t even know they got struck when they happen.

One has to be 100% in tune with the feel and tension of the lure when it pulls through the water, any deviations from that should be considered a strike and the hook-set.
(of course there is debris in the water that will fool you as well)

It isn’t always an obvious strike.

I’ll remind you that I have not been fishing the duct for years so I don’t want to come off like I know everything about the duct.

I simply state and share what works for me and in some degree of regularity.

Many times the fish strike in a much more aggressive attack that clearly is felt as a “strike”-no brainer there but there are many variable strikes that occur and in different water/weather conditions.

I’ll also remind you that most of my fish I catch at night as well, the strike pattern may very well be different than that of a fish feeding during daylight, I could not speculate until I fish more during daylight.

There are a number of strike patterns I’ve witnessed, I’m sure there are more than I personally have even experienced to date.

* The load up strike : this was happening b4 the weird funky weather/barometer fluxes happened. They would grab hold of the lure and Straight tension would occur and be felt.
When I began fishing there, I confused this with a snag until all of the sudden I
felt a “Thump…thump..Thump” It took a few times to adapt.
This strike is certainly notable, there is a whole lot of pressure when it occurs.



*The Crushing strike: I’ve only experienced this once, the very 1st time I fished the duct, the water was moving solidly and I actually worked the lure
downstream, cross current, somewhat fast, the striper came up high on the
Transition, and was obviously chasing the bait down, he CRUSHED it !, hit it
like a freight train, instant bendo and drag pulling, unfortunately I lost that one
due to it shaking off and I haven’t experienced that pattern since, the weather was
really hot then so I wouldn’t be surprised to see that pattern kick back into gear
as the weather has changed to steady hot patterns.
The fish striking the lure again is a no brainer on this one, you’ll know it when
it happens.



*The Batting strike: this was common when the water was still cold and would occur in between those hard barometer flux we were having.
There were short stages when the fish fed and this is how those strikes were (again at night)
I’d be retrieving slowly with my left index finger gently riding in front of the level wind on my Shimano baitcaster mounted on 7 ½’ crucial graphite rod, this method and gear combo allows you to feel those most subtle variables during a retrieve, a very very very slight “tick” would be all that was felt and an IMMEDIATE strike response was necessary to incorporate the hook set, there were a few fish that I’d hook up on the nose or in the eye, plus many were hooked on the tail hook as well which is far from the normal bite when the fish actually GRABS the lure.
All that is a clear indicator that the striper were attempting to “KNOCK OUT” the bait and eat it after. They seem to approach the lure and turn HARD on it to swat it, couldn’t say for a fact but that is my assessment, hence why you don’t feel the strike much and the lure isn’t solid in their mouth.



*The T-BONE strike: There were a few times when the fish were coming out of the batting pattern, they would T-BONE strike, basically chase it down in a real docile fashion and “T-BONE” the lure from the side, the telltale signs of this behavior are the instances when both sets of treble hooks are hooked into their mouth, most commonly belly hook on top upper lip and tail hook on lower jaw.
I saw a post from fellow FNN’r “SENG” from lake skinner that had a pic where the striper t-boned the lure…..same pattern (see Seng’s Skinner post “another KPN success story 5-7 http://fishingnetwork.net/forum4/showthread.php?t=32967) you’ll see what I speak of.

*The Standard solid bumping strike: This is the more common bite I’ve experienced lately.
A solid bump or thump is felt during the retrieve, they seem to be getting a little more aggressive day by day so therefore the bumps get a little stronger.
It’s almost as if the striper is “grabbing hold of the lure” but not really engulfing it entirely, though he grabs it, a quick powerful hook set must be laid down to seal the deal, other wise you’ll come up short, good SOLID SHARP STRONG hooks should be used, I’ve had 1 fish bend a #2 owner stinger hook and that’s a real SOLID hook, walmart specials and lures of sorts are gonna leave you disappointed in the event of a big toad.

*The “ENGULFING” strike: this has only happened to me once, it’s where the striper basically “EATS” the lure, no messing about, it’s just grabs it inside it’s mouth entirely and commits 100%, the one instance I had with this type of strike happened about a week ago and the fish was in the 15 lb class.
That fish broke off with my hand on his lip but I never got a chance to see how far up in it's mouth the lure was but it was nowhere in sight.
No brainer here, set the hook and hold on for the ride.

Well I think that about covers it (I hope) that should answer all your questions and give you more insight about why I say what I say on my posts, there are clearly many variable that go with the territory, if one waits for the strike to always be a solid crushing strike, one may potentially miss out on many other hookups.

It’s all about getting in tune with the lure while your’e running it, sensing everything going on and “focusing” all your attention to what the lure does at any given moment.

Hope this helps,
Gary

[GeordyBass]

Good Job uncle Gary!
Seems like the summer is gonna produce you a big'un,or two??Three??:Cool:

30lber!!

[gletemfeelsteelgary]

Good Job uncle Gary!
Seems like the summer is gonna produce you a big'un,or two??Three??:Cool:

30lber!!

Thanks,
How did you guys do sat night/sun morning out there ?

[TroutOnly]

SWEET REVENGE GARY,,,,,t/o

[GeordyBass]

Thanks,
How did you guys do sat night/sun morning out there ?
didnt go to the duct bro....

and nuthin but a 24" WSB and a small sand shark at chace park....

Have my boats up and ready now so,,,Slayage!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!

[Shock]

Nice way to get revenge Gary!!

It was good seeing ya at Pyramid on Sat...

[FINSMACKDOWN]

WTG! I havnt fished the duct much ,but both the fish i got were after you warned me on the verry light strikes. Both mine felt like just a little extra pressure on the line.

[Stormcrow]

Light strikes happen in all sorts of varieties, many people probably don’t even know they got struck when they happen.

One has to be 100% in tune with the feel and tension of the lure when it pulls through the water, any deviations from that should be considered a strike and the hook-set.
(of course there is debris in the water that will fool you as well)

It isn’t always an obvious strike.

I’ll remind you that I have not been fishing the duct for years so I don’t want to come off like I know everything about the duct.

I simply state and share what works for me and in some degree of regularity.

Many times the fish strike in a much more aggressive attack that clearly is felt as a “strike”-no brainer there but there are many variable strikes that occur and in different water/weather conditions.

I’ll also remind you that most of my fish I catch at night as well, the strike pattern may very well be different than that of a fish feeding during daylight, I could not speculate until I fish more during daylight.

There are a number of strike patterns I’ve witnessed, I’m sure there are more than I personally have even experienced to date.

* The load up strike : this was happening b4 the weird funky weather/barometer fluxes happened. They would grab hold of the lure and Straight tension would occur and be felt.
When I began fishing there, I confused this with a snag until all of the sudden I
felt a “Thump…thump..Thump” It took a few times to adapt.
This strike is certainly notable, there is a whole lot of pressure when it occurs.



*The Crushing strike: I’ve only experienced this once, the very 1st time I fished the duct, the water was moving solidly and I actually worked the lure
downstream, cross current, somewhat fast, the striper came up high on the
Transition, and was obviously chasing the bait down, he CRUSHED it !, hit it
like a freight train, instant bendo and drag pulling, unfortunately I lost that one
due to it shaking off and I haven’t experienced that pattern since, the weather was
really hot then so I wouldn’t be surprised to see that pattern kick back into gear
as the weather has changed to steady hot patterns.
The fish striking the lure again is a no brainer on this one, you’ll know it when
it happens.



*The Batting strike: this was common when the water was still cold and would occur in between those hard barometer flux we were having.
There were short stages when the fish fed and this is how those strikes were (again at night)
I’d be retrieving slowly with my left index finger gently riding in front of the level wind on my Shimano baitcaster mounted on 7 ½’ crucial graphite rod, this method and gear combo allows you to feel those most subtle variables during a retrieve, a very very very slight “tick” would be all that was felt and an IMMEDIATE strike response was necessary to incorporate the hook set, there were a few fish that I’d hook up on the nose or in the eye, plus many were hooked on the tail hook as well which is far from the normal bite when the fish actually GRABS the lure.
All that is a clear indicator that the striper were attempting to “KNOCK OUT” the bait and eat it after. They seem to approach the lure and turn HARD on it to swat it, couldn’t say for a fact but that is my assessment, hence why you don’t feel the strike much and the lure isn’t solid in their mouth.



*The T-BONE strike: There were a few times when the fish were coming out of the batting pattern, they would T-BONE strike, basically chase it down in a real docile fashion and “T-BONE” the lure from the side, the telltale signs of this behavior are the instances when both sets of treble hooks are hooked into their mouth, most commonly belly hook on top upper lip and tail hook on lower jaw.
I saw a post from fellow FNN’r “SENG” from lake skinner that had a pic where the striper t-boned the lure…..same pattern (see Seng’s Skinner post “another KPN success story 5-7 http://fishingnetwork.net/forum4/showthread.php?t=32967) you’ll see what I speak of.

*The Standard solid bumping strike: This is the more common bite I’ve experienced lately.
A solid bump or thump is felt during the retrieve, they seem to be getting a little more aggressive day by day so therefore the bumps get a little stronger.
It’s almost as if the striper is “grabbing hold of the lure” but not really engulfing it entirely, though he grabs it, a quick powerful hook set must be laid down to seal the deal, other wise you’ll come up short, good SOLID SHARP STRONG hooks should be used, I’ve had 1 fish bend a #2 owner stinger hook and that’s a real SOLID hook, walmart specials and lures of sorts are gonna leave you disappointed in the event of a big toad.

*The “ENGULFING” strike: this has only happened to me once, it’s where the striper basically “EATS” the lure, no messing about, it’s just grabs it inside it’s mouth entirely and commits 100%, the one instance I had with this type of strike happened about a week ago and the fish was in the 15 lb class.
That fish broke off with my hand on his lip but I never got a chance to see how far up in it's mouth the lure was but it was nowhere in sight.
No brainer here, set the hook and hold on for the ride.

Well I think that about covers it (I hope) that should answer all your questions and give you more insight about why I say what I say on my posts, there are clearly many variable that go with the territory, if one waits for the strike to always be a solid crushing strike, one may potentially miss out on many other hookups.

It’s all about getting in tune with the lure while your’e running it, sensing everything going on and “focusing” all your attention to what the lure does at any given moment.

Hope this helps,
Gary


That is some of the best info I have ever recieved on here. Thanks man! Im familiar with Largemouth hitting trout swimbaits from the side in the instinctual effort to stun them, then engulf them head first. Maybe this can be similar, of course, you always have water in motion which changes things too I bet.

Thanks again for that great info!

[crappiemike]

great report gary!! good job out there on your solo run...

cm

[Santa Fe Eric]

You are too much!

Excellent Work!

[Liteliner]

Nice going on the stripers once again. You have sold me on the KPN's. Got two on order now. They have a nice home in my tackle box next to my BBZ's once they arrive...:LOL: Great info aswell. Thanks alot.

[thepuma]

Nice going on the stripers once again. You have sold me on the KPN's. Got two on order now. They have a nice home in my tackle box next to my BBZ's once they arrive...:LOL: Great info aswell. Thanks alot.

Gary is a great commercial for you Khahn!:
:Big Grin:

[Anglerism]

Can't wait to get a pair of KPN lures!!!!! CAN'T WAIT!!

[Mister Twister]

My experience has been that they do tap the crank. It is definitely a noticeable tap for me. It probably depends on the tackle being used too? I fish 14lb flourocarbon and have a 7' MH rod with fast tip. It's pretty sensitive but 3/4 oz is the max lure weight for this set up. Ususally for me though they just hammer it and run.Hammer and run, Hit and miss, I've had no soft bites.When they hit,which is about one in 3 trips for me, they hit hard and are hooked solid.Rattle trap, tried a box of lures,only the trap.Have not used the kpns,they look very similar to trap to me.When I lose a couple more traps, I'll grab a few.I got 6 in 15 mins on trap, 5 to 10 #that's why I kept going back,fing awesome.They were jumping on bait and exploding out there,not your typical duct trip.Oh yeah, I released them all.

[yolo]

Hammer and run, Hit and miss, I've had no soft bites.When they hit,which is about one in 3 trips for me, they hit hard and are hooked solid.Rattle trap, tried a box of lures,only the trap.Have not used the kpns,they look very similar to trap to me.When I lose a couple more traps, I'll grab a few.I got 6 in 15 mins on trap, 5 to 10 #that's why I kept going back,fing awesome.They were jumping on bait and exploding out there,not your typical duct trip.Oh yeah, I released them all.

Heck yeah. The Trap is the hot ticket for me too! Which one are you using? I slay on the chrome with black or chrome with blue in 3/4 oz. Where were you when you nailed 6 in 15 minutes? That's unusual for the Palmdale area. Maybe you were in Bakersfield but the average size you got is not typical Bako either. Oh and I have been skunked too many times to recall too on the Trap or anything for that matter.

[Mister Twister]

Sorry Dude, your right, they were 3# the last one I lost, a solid DD.The trap halo silver 1/2 oz,the old trout pattern works well too.I tend to tell some fish storys,I would take pics, I just like the fight.I enjoy trying topwater plugs ect.ect I have only caught them on trap.I mean I have tried all manners of lures for hours,ONLY THE TRAP,i dont think the color matters.Have a good one,good luck out there!