3/4 on the Native Sun

[Airn33]

So me and a couple buddies went out on the Native Sun for the ling cod opener. Light load with only 17 guys aboard. Took off from port at 7am and it took us about 30 to make it out of angels gate to the bait barge. Grabbed some dines and mackerel along with some squid.
We went to the first spot where nothing was really happening. Then the next spot a couple of reds were caught and about 8 undersized lings. Cpt. said he was gonna take us somewhere else. We hit another couple spots for some more slow fishing. Next spot we hit I must have the luck of my birthday with me cause i was the only one on the boat catching fish for the next hour. I dunno if it had anything to do with it, but I switched to my 10lb light set up and thats when I was catching them left and right? I pulled up 5 decent reds and some smaller ones as well. From there on out only 2 legal lings were taken and various rockfish. I think we were just fishing small rock outcrops all day in my opinion as only 4 people got limits on rockfish and 2 legal lings were caught. The crew was helpful for the most part. This was a first for me to see the Cpt and the crew fishing almost as much as everyone else. Here some pics from the day. No disrespect to the boat and crew but I probably won't go out with them again for a 3/4 day.

Before we head out
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll3/Airn33/Native%20Sun%202009/S5001021_edited.jpg

Leaving the port
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll3/Airn33/Native%20Sun%202009/S5001022_edited.jpg
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll3/Airn33/Native%20Sun%202009/S5001023_edited.jpg
Some Vermillion Red
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll3/Airn33/Native%20Sun%202009/S5001026_edited.jpg
My boy with a sheephead, say cheese
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll3/Airn33/Native%20Sun%202009/S5001027_edited.jpg
My other boy with his catch
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll3/Airn33/Native%20Sun%202009/S5001029_edited.jpg
My biggest reds for the day
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll3/Airn33/Native%20Sun%202009/S5001032_edited.jpg
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll3/Airn33/Native%20Sun%202009/S5001033_edited.jpg
Got limits on rockies
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll3/Airn33/Native%20Sun%202009/S5001031_edited.jpg
Here was the pot winner
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll3/Airn33/Native%20Sun%202009/S5001028_edited.jpg
Here is what they looked liked at the casa
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll3/Airn33/Native%20Sun%202009/S5001036_edited.jpg
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll3/Airn33/Native%20Sun%202009/S5001037_edited.jpg
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll3/Airn33/Native%20Sun%202009/S5001038_edited.jpg
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll3/Airn33/Native%20Sun%202009/S5001039_edited.jpg

Tight Lines everyone

[JapanRon]

Hi Airn33,

Great report and pics ... most excellent and appreciated. WTG on the B'day karma !! It looks like the Native Sun has been all shined up and ready to fish.

Sitting in the same general area for a while .... a distance off your port stern .... as the NS ... I was on the Victory .... you sure hit the Reds jackpot. We didn't get that many with a lot of ours being chuckleheads and assorted species. Check my report for a pic of you guys if interested.

Now, to your decision to not patronize the boat again and associated detail. I understand and suspect you may not approve of 'crew fishing' and that being one ... and probably the only reason for your reluctance to board the boat again. I feel it only fair to consider this practice within the framework of the times in which we live. I'm talking about the real world not the legalities of the issue.

In the 'Old' days, a boats crew either fished or they didn't .... some even stated in advertising ...... 'in-writing' NO CREW FISHING. When I was big enough to notice such things .... mid-60's .... no not the 1800's either ... I regularly counted skipper, cook, at least 2 decks and later a pin-head or two depending on the boat and season. I have some rules which I justify if I'll tolerate a crews' fishing and will ask myself the following questions.

1) Was it a boat that was known for the crew regularly fishing?
Word gets around among those that dislike the practice. Of course, no fault of a patrons not to be aware.

2) Is there a special time (such as season opener) or spot being fished?
Could be both in this case with the Lingcod season opener and some pet holes being hit.

3) Was the ratio of deck-boots 'on-deck working' to the number of patrons reasonable? How many decks 'working' is relative as well as their skill and attitude but ..... eyes count.

4) Are the DH's and decks so engrossed in out-fishing each other that they barely notice the patrons?
Here's a dead-bang intolerable NO-GO situation.

5) Does the crew fish for the eventual benefit of the patrons?
I suspect crew can take fish home every day of the year if they wanted. Do some fish go to fishless patrons? ....... don't ask ... don't tell.

6) What type of fishing is being done?
Surface fishing- Requires more decks and full attention. Mid-depth- Depends on fishing conditions. Deep water fishing- Requires decks' full attention.

7) Anchored or Drifting?
On a drift ... NO deck should be fishing !

8) Anglers/Patrons general level of experience?
Rent-Rod only trips- ZERO tolerance. Wide-mix- Depends on fishing conditions. Low patron numbers, all regulars and experienced anglers- fishing with the crew is educational.

9) Attitude of the crew towards a patrons 'space'?
If ANY crew is fishing and feels they own any spot or space on the boat ... it's time to set things straight with some well chose words !! That goes double for the DH's too !!

This class of morons include-
A) Those fishing in a way different from others ... obstructing and or hindering the 'effectiveness' of the way a patron fishes. (example: letting line drift 50 feet off the stern from mid-ship. la de la de da)
B) Running over beside a patron to drop a line 5 inches from where the line of the hooked up fish goes in the water.
C) Ignoring the fact that 10 patrons have their lines laid out and plop they fish among them. Nobody is so good to avoid tangles ... thier fault or not. 1 tangle - INTOLERABLE.
D) Simply taking a spot of a patron just because they think they can get away with it.

10) When fish are NOT coming over the rail and the meter is 'lit-up', how is the puzzle to be solved?
With the experience the crew has on the water every day, they will often find the key to the bite while most patrons may never. This effort by them is much appreciated and they will share the information ...... if one listens..... or watches.

11) Second to last, even if some of the crew fished, was there always someone at the ready to lend assistance when the time came or something was needed?
Crews as a whole.... and decks as individuals all have their own working mores and look at prioritys towards service to the paton differently.

12) Lastly and most importantly ... Before deciding on tossing a boat .... get a handle on if the skipper and crew is the regular crew ...... this can be done by actually talking to them and regulars on generalities.

Lots more to consider but that's enough from me. In the world of 1/2 and 3/4-day moo-moos today ... I'd be surprised if the crew DIDN'T fish at some time or another. Please take no offense .. I don't write this directly towards you but the newbies that may be interested.

Thanks,

Good fishing and ..... don't discount any boat until ....

JapanRon

[ghetto dad]

Hi Airn33,

Great report and pics ... most excellent and appreciated. WTG on the B'day karma !! It looks like the Native Sun has been all shined up and ready to fish.

Sitting in the same general area for a while .... a distance off your port stern .... as the NS ... I was on the Victory .... you sure hit the Reds jackpot. We didn't get that many with a lot of ours being chuckleheads and assorted species. Check my report for a pic of you guys if interested.

Now, to your decision to not patronize the boat again and associated detail. I understand and suspect you may not approve of 'crew fishing' and that being one ... and probably the only reason for your reluctance to board the boat again. I feel it only fair to consider this practice within the framework of the times in which we live. I'm talking about the real world not the legalities of the issue.

In the 'Old' days, a boats crew either fished or they didn't .... some even stated in advertising ...... 'in-writing' NO CREW FISHING. When I was big enough to notice such things .... mid-60's .... no not the 1800's either ... I regularly counted skipper, cook, at least 2 decks and later a pin-head or two depending on the boat and season. I have some rules which I justify if I'll tolerate a crews' fishing and will ask myself the following questions.

1) Was it a boat that was known for the crew regularly fishing?
Word gets around among those that dislike the practice. Of course, no fault of a patrons not to be aware.

2) Is there a special time (such as season opener) or spot being fished?
Could be both in this case with the Lingcod season opener and some pet holes being hit.

3) Was the ratio of deck-boots 'on-deck working' to the number of patrons reasonable? How many decks 'working' is relative as well as their skill and attitude but ..... eyes count.

4) Are the DH's and decks so engrossed in out-fishing each other that they barely notice the patrons?
Here's a dead-bang intolerable NO-GO situation.

5) Does the crew fish for the eventual benefit of the patrons?
I suspect crew can take fish home every day of the year if they wanted. Do some fish go to fishless patrons? ....... don't ask ... don't tell.

6) What type of fishing is being done?
Surface fishing- Requires more decks and full attention. Mid-depth- Depends on fishing conditions. Deep water fishing- Requires decks' full attention.

7) Anchored or Drifting?
On a drift ... NO deck should be fishing !

8) Anglers/Patrons general level of experience?
Rent-Rod only trips- ZERO tolerance. Wide-mix- Depends on fishing conditions. Low patron numbers, all regulars and experienced anglers- fishing with the crew is educational.

9) Attitude of the crew towards a patrons 'space'?
If ANY crew is fishing and feels they own any spot or space on the boat ... it's time to set things straight with some well chose words !! That goes double for the DH's too !!

This class of morons include-
A) Those fishing in a way different from others ... obstructing and or hindering the 'effectiveness' of the way a patron fishes. (example: letting line drift 50 feet off the stern from mid-ship. la de la de da)
B) Running over beside a patron to drop a line 5 inches from where the line of the hooked up fish goes in the water.
C) Ignoring the fact that 10 patrons have their lines laid out and plop they fish among them. Nobody is so good to avoid tangles ... thier fault or not. 1 tangle - INTOLERABLE.
D) Simply taking a spot of a patron just because they think they can get away with it.

10) When fish are NOT coming over the rail and the meter is 'lit-up', how is the puzzle to be solved?
With the experience the crew has on the water every day, they will often find the key to the bite while most patrons may never. This effort by them is much appreciated and they will share the information ...... if one listens..... or watches.

11) Second to last, even if some of the crew fished, was there always someone at the ready to lend assistance when the time came or something was needed?
Crews as a whole.... and decks as individuals all have their own working mores and look at prioritys towards service to the paton differently.

12) Lastly and most importantly ... Before deciding on tossing a boat .... get a handle on if the skipper and crew is the regular crew ...... this can be done by actually talking to them and regulars on generalities.

Lots more to consider but that's enough from me. In the world of 1/2 and 3/4-day moo-moos today ... I'd be surprised if the crew DIDN'T fish at some time or another. Please take no offense .. I don't write this directly towards you but the newbies that may be interested.

Thanks,

Good fishing and ..... don't discount any boat until ....

JapanRon

Well put Ron, excellent.

GD

[sansou]

Nice report Airn!

Looks like you were able to pick away at some fish at least, and have a good time with the friends.

Not sure why you wouldn't fish the boat again, but I suspect a couple reasons.

I fished that boat one time this summer. It's a painfully slow boat. I don't know if it is still the same way, but it travels SLOW. Which I would think makes it extra tough for a skip to try out different spots since he can only go so far, so fast. I could only imagine what it would be like to take a boat that slow to Catalina....bring a book and some suntan lotion. LOL

On the upside, when I went I thought the crew was nice, and the boat layout is huge. I guess there is a whole new crew and skip?

JapanRon....excellent points made!

[cappo]

Nice job on the rockfish.

[Ifishtoolittle]

10lb set-up?!?! Wow now that's light tackle rockfish btw how did that work? Did you get any snags? Also what kind of bait or lures were you using on the 10lb set-up?

[TShaffer]

10lb set-up?!?! Wow now that's light tackle rockfish btw how did that work? Did you get any snags? Also what kind of bait or lures were you using on the 10lb set-up?

I've actually used 10-15lb setups myself while rockfishing. In my experience the bite improves and it is more fun when you get to see your lighter poles go bendo with all the weight. Some drawbacks are the fact that line breaks happen a lot more frequently and it takes a lot longer to bring the fish up.

[TONTO6190]

Let me show you what a real Red looks like.

http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc176/i8CalamARI/Pacific%20Quest%20Colonet%20Jan%2009/IMGP5710.jpg


Whats up buddy.
Long time no see. You should hit me up next time you are going to go. My email is tonto6190@yahoo.com.

Good to see you got the hooked too. Its a sickness. And I have it bad.