View Full Version : Venice Pier Sunday March 1
Fishmeister
03-02-2009, 12:11 AM
Came around 5 pm, was chilly and very windy. Once it got dark the winds died down and the fishing began, had 4 poles all together with my friend, the bell on all 4 was rining almost non stop. We managed to get out 8 Medium sized bat rays and 2 other fishes, could not really tell what it was, maybe you can from the picture. Also got 2 crabs which got hooked to on to the line, they fell back in water while I was reeling it in. All fish was released to fight another day. Overall was best fishing in the past 6 month I would say :-)))
fishshep
03-02-2009, 03:34 AM
I see that chair in the third pic!!!:ROFL:
Try surf fishing,walking and casting for miles!!!!
That chair is for old men with back pains like me!!!
Decent catchin from the pier in those conditions!!
DEADROOTS
03-02-2009, 09:43 AM
Good job bud! I caught my first fish off of Santa Monica Pier. In one day I caught a bat ray, guitar fish, Round Stingray like yours, leopard shark, walleye perch, barred surf perch, Sculpin, White Croaker, Yellow fin Croaker And a little halibut all off of Venice Pier. That was the best day on the pier ever. It is never that productive I was incredibly lucky that day, I was there for 14 hrs.
Good Job on the rays and on the release! As for IDs, those rays in the pictures are thornback rays (you would not be able to hold a bat ray or round sting ray like that) and the fish you caught is a queenfish aka white croaker.
DEADROOTS
03-02-2009, 11:10 AM
As for IDs, those rays in the pictures are thornback rays (you would not be able to hold a bat ray or round sting ray like that).
Check it out.
Fish ID.... (http://www.dfg.ca.gov/marine/msfhabs1.asp#su)
and
Round Stingray (http://www.dfg.ca.gov/marine/mspcont6.asp#round)
I didn't notice any (Atlantic) thornback rays.
Actually
Thornback ray (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thornback_ray)
It looks nothing like the thing we in So.Cal. call the "Sand shark" AKA ROUND STING RAY!:Wink:
Yeah, there actually is.
http://www.oceanwideimages.com/enlargeImage.asp?pID=9186&cID=45&rp=categories.asp?cID=45&p=1
http://www.gettyimages.com/detail/82124222/Visuals-Unlimited
http://www.coldwaterimages.com/thornback_ray.html
The scientific name is Platyrhinoidis triseriata, and it is also known as a Thornback guitar fish. However, if you walk into aquariums like the Aquarium of the Pacific or the Sea Lab in Redondo Beach, they'll show you one of the guys above if you ask about thornback rays. What he's holding is known as a Thornback ray in SoCal :Wink:
This is a round stingray, and as I said before you could not hold one by the tail because it has a stinger. You can hold thornbacks by the tail (it hurts a little bit, but not too bad) because it just has short, nonvenomous spines.
http://www.mexfish.com/fish/rray/rray.htm
DEADROOTS
03-02-2009, 07:33 PM
You should correct the California Fish & Game biologists. Use those unreliable commercial (.com) websites as reference:Wink:
They don't need correcting, as they have the thornback ray covered on the top of pg 34 (refers to the PDF book) of the fishing passport :Wink:
It's pg 32 in the hard copy.
Type 34 in the PDF search box to find it quickly. You'll see that it comes after the Round Sting Ray.
http://www.dfg.ca.gov/fishingpassport/pdfs/fullpassport.pdf
You can also find it under the section titled Guitarfishes and Thornbacks on the 3rd page of this PDF.
http://www.dfg.ca.gov/marine/status/skates_and_rays.pdf
Here it is at the bottom of the page under Creature Feature.
http://www.dfg.ca.gov/marine/newsletter/0507.asp
See? I wasn't making it up.
DEADROOTS
03-02-2009, 08:00 PM
They look identical. Why wouldn't they document it on those pages I pasted? I can't argue with reliable resources. Tushay:Worship:
They look identical. Why wouldn't they document it on those pages I pasted? I can't argue with reliable resources. Tushay:Worship:
:LOL:
My best answer is that the DFG is underfunded and cannot afford to update all their pages.
Well, the biggest difference is that thornbacks don't have a venomous stinger. Instead, they have large rows of small "thorns" along their back. Hence the name thornback. Also, thornbacks have 2 fins before the end of tail while round stingrays have none (they have a stinger).
Round stingray tail: http://www.mexfish.com/fish/rray/rray.htm (scroll down to the bottom)
Thornback ray tail: http://elasmodiver.com/ThornbackRay.htm
CoffeaRobusta
03-03-2009, 03:45 PM
Thornbacks are totaly different from round rays. By the way, a queenfish is different from a white croaker too.
gletemfeelsteelgary
03-04-2009, 10:51 AM
without going into a long scientific dispute...that is a thornback sandshark...
They come plentiful near the piers and jetties....some nights they can provide a lil fun when there are no fish otherwise...
Their bite pattern is REAL DOSILE and spongy, sometimes you wont even know your getting a bite unless you sorta stitch the bait slowly then you'll feel spongy subtle movement....they don't "tick" much when biting..
nuff said.
Glad ya got on some action....