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lizzay
01-05-2009, 07:09 PM
not be helping anybody with any spots of mine for any of the fishing I do or the discovery that may lurk upon me with the exception of my "nonpoaching friends" and people that have shared information with me. I've finally realized that if you have a "honey hole" to fish you should keep it a very big secret so it doesn't get outfished by poachers or anybody else. At least you will be preserving that area for the time being. Maybe that way the population of fishes can be sustained a lot better. I now understand why people keep their spots and techniques a secret to everyone. I've always been very helpful to anybody without any discretion and have seen people take more than their own means and far beyond the regs. To a good 09 peeps and big fish. Just don't say anything.

FISHBAIT
01-05-2009, 07:15 PM
Thanks, I think...

BIGRED KILLA
01-05-2009, 07:26 PM
:Cool:



Bigred

lalo56
01-05-2009, 07:36 PM
Cool. Even though i only fish at max 10 times a year. I usually only go within an hour radius.

trail blazer
01-06-2009, 05:10 AM
okey doky!!!!

fish4keep
01-06-2009, 08:01 AM
Awe, C'mon....... Aren't we one big happy family.... 1 for all and all for 1.....

DKCbassman
01-06-2009, 08:06 AM
Now you will become a member of the DarkSide. Sorry but I have seen it for 10+years coming. Even TackleJunkie blew up one of my beautiful spots. Not that it was secret, many just didn't fish the spot, or would come and go in 30 minutes. 100 pictures later and 300 additional fisherman.

PHISHnutS
01-06-2009, 08:10 AM
If you are no longer helping, you may want to consider making your Photobucket account private then, unless you want everyone to see your un-edited pictures or the other ones showing the lake you were fishing at, just a thought.

FISHBAIT
01-06-2009, 08:35 AM
Or you could just stop posting. I see this site as a place to share my trips and learn about new places to take trips. Example- Mojave Narrows, I had never read about this place until I got to talking to everyone here. I took a trip last weekend and had some fun...No harm done...just a day out.

But thats just the way I see it...No one has to agree...I just want to fish!

Fishbait

matt duarte
01-06-2009, 09:11 AM
dckbassman... I dont see why your calling TJ a idiot..you said it your self your spot which in reality isnt your spot isnt a secret and never was.. And hed be the last person to worrie about...just cause someone post a ground shot of the fish they caught wont cause a lot of people to flock to it...if your looking for someone with loose lips looks somewhere else TJ doesnt sink ships

goseango
01-06-2009, 09:29 AM
better get the :Popcorn:

GET DA NET
01-06-2009, 09:32 AM
better get the :popcorn:

Make it kettle corn................

ghetto dad
01-06-2009, 09:35 AM
There is no need to "stop posting," he has EVERY RIGHT to not inform people of ANY spots he fished. Man, that reply pi**ed me off "might as well stop posting then..." Good luck Liz.......

GD

ps....i reread your post fishbait, maybe you didnt mean it like that, but there are MANY people on here that feel that if people do not inform other people of where they were fishing, then they feel that people shouldnt post.....THEY get upset cuz the person does not want to inform them of their spot....anyways, have a good day.......

ghetto dad
01-06-2009, 09:38 AM
Now you will become a member of the DarkSide. Sorry but I have seen it for 10+years coming. Even TackleJunkie blew up one of my beautiful spots. Not that it was secret, many just didn't fish the spot, or would come and go in 30 minutes. 100 pictures later and 300 additional fisherman. Idiot

There was no need for that man......

GD

lizzay
01-06-2009, 10:03 AM
I just think that the more popular places or spots to fish is fine on reporting but as we know poachers are always open ears and eyes. Earlier last year I was at Cachuma fishing the fishing dock and caught a dinky 6 oz. LMB while looking for panfish and this guy comes up and ask if I was going to throw it back in because he said they are good "finger fries" LOL! WTF! I've just started researching and reading up on poachers and how much they effect the fishing and especially in a condensed area like southern cal. I keep on hearing, "back in the days". or "when fishing was in abundance..." and I think to myself, I wish I had those days but I never once did and that upsets me because if that's the case then what does my kid have in stored for his life??? This was never meant to be a post to start issues but just a reality check on what has become of a lot of us. If poachers don't exist and people do their duties as a human being on earth then we can all fish and join in ALL info to one another but not anymore, that itself has left.

ZplugJunkie
01-06-2009, 10:05 AM
It would also help if your not part of the over fishing right? just a thought!:Wink:

lizzay
01-06-2009, 10:12 AM
It would also help if your not part of the over fishing right? just a thought!:Wink:

meaning????

jim532
01-06-2009, 10:17 AM
Just remember your secret spot is probably 30 other peoples secret spot. I thought I had a well hidden, hard to get to, nobody in there right mind will try to hike into this spot. Well boy was i wrong upon arrival one day and found someone had a campfire, and was drinking and there was remnants of power bait and Eagle Claw packaging on the ground.

Recently I have found 2 new secret fishing spots, I don't think anybody knows where they are though. YET!

lizzay
01-06-2009, 10:34 AM
yeah I guess you're right, everyone has rights to fish anywhere they are able to but I just wish people can keep within the limits if they need that many and respect the what we take as a lifestyle or hobby. All this is hurting my head, need to relax on the water tomorrow. Thanks for all your opinions and replies, I've been very enlightened by all the eye opening things that are happening to our planet and fishing is just a small fraction of the problem but still important.

Ray Lopez
01-06-2009, 11:40 AM
Or you could just stop posting. I see this site as a place to share my trips and learn about new places to take trips. Example- Mojave Narrows, I had never read about this place until I got to talking to everyone here. I took a trip last weekend and had some fun...No harm done...just a day out.

But thats just the way I see it...No one has to agree...I just want to fish!

Fishbait

i sort of agree.

but for one i think if you don't want to inform people of "your spot" then post your reports in the photo section and not in the reports section.

i persoanlly have been bashed for posting so much information on my posts, but what is a report for unless you are trying to inform others of your good luck on certain bodys of water.

I can say i would not be the fisherman i am today without the help of many of the people on this site.

even to this day i seek the great information from the many minds on this site, so far everyone has been nothing but nice and easyly gave me information.

when someone shows me the "spot" and ask's me not to say anything on where it is then i will just not make a report and just enjoy my day out fishing, but otherwise i'll give as much info as i can.

Other times i'll tell someone to meet up with me and i'll give them some tips and help them out with the fishing at castaic, but i'll tell them that if they fish with me they must promise me that they will throw every bass back. If they want to keep bass then they can do it on there own fishing trips. I'll also inform them as to why i C&R every LMB i catch.

it's sort of like a cycle of knowledge, the wise man lets the novice know his ways and then the cycle will hopefully continue. I was taught so therefore i will teach and hopefully they will teach the next person and so forth and so on.

ghetto dad
01-06-2009, 11:47 AM
i sort of agree.

but for one i think if you don't want to inform people of "your spot" then post your reports in the photo section and not in the reports section.

i persoanlly have been bashed for posting so much information on my posts, but what is a report for unless you are trying to inform others of your good luck on certain bodys of water.

I can say i would not be the fisherman i am today without the help of many of the people on this site.

even to this day i seek the great information from the many minds on this site, so far everyone has been nothing but nice and easyly gave me information.

when someone shows me the "spot" and ask's me not to say anything on where it is then i will just not make a report and just enjoy my day out fishing, but otherwise i'll give as much info as i can.

Other times i'll tell someone to meet up with me and i'll give them some tips and help them out with the fishing at castaic, but i'll tell them that if they fish with me they must promise me that they will throw every bass back. If they want to keep bass then they can do it on there own fishing trips. I'll also inform them as to why i C&R every LMB i catch.

it's sort of like a cycle of knowledge, the wise man lets the novice know his ways and then the cycle will hopefully continue. I was taught so therefore i will teach and hopefully they will teach the next person and so forth and so on.

Yo Raylo..sup homie.....nice reply man....i just dont agree with the part about unless you give up your spot, don't post a report. People should NOT get upset that someone doesnt give out the location as to where they were fishing if they choose not to...if they post a report, they are contributing to FNN, and if they choose not to post location, that does not change that fact....the main issue is with the lurkers, who do NOTHING for this board, who come in, get info, then leave. And who knows how many of them even fish legally, and obey the DFG rules, ya know....

anyways, have a great one homeboy

GD

Ray Lopez
01-06-2009, 11:53 AM
Yo Raylo..sup homie.....nice reply man....i just dont agree with the part about unless you give up your spot, don't post a report. People should NOT get upset that someone doesnt give out the location as to where they were fishing if they choose not to...if they post a report, they are contributing to FNN, and if they choose not to post location, that does not change that fact....the main issue is with the lurkers, who do NOTHING for this board, who come in, get info, then leave. And who knows how many of them even fish legally, and obey the DFG rules, ya know....

anyways, have a great one homeboy

GD

im more so talking about the ones who shade out all the pics and some people who wont even say what body of water they fished.

whats the point???

i'm not talking gps locations hahaha just general areas like i fished the Dam or i fished the northeast section of the lake yadda yadda yadda

ghetto dad
01-06-2009, 11:55 AM
im more so talking about the ones who shade out all the pics and some people who wont even say what body of water they fished.

whats the point???

i'm not talking gps locations hahaha just general areas like i fished the Dam or i fished the northeast section of the lake yadda yadda yadda


:ROFL:GPS locations...nice....

GD

lurk 182
01-06-2009, 01:00 PM
lizzay, you don't have a boat do you? if you don't want to talk about the creek behind your house, don't talk about it. its lame to come on here an announce that you're no longer giving up info. what's the point, are you being hounded for info? i'm not going to cry about people who need to post a photo for recognition but can't talk about anything else approaching a "report" but there is a section for exactly that kind of deal. i think people can't stand using that section because not enough people will see your brag shot like they will when you post in the report section. i'll take as much or as little info as people want to give but its pretty funny to try to split the difference by making "reports" with no actual info. if that's the deal, just lurk, you're not contributing anything more than they are.

castaguey
01-06-2009, 01:40 PM
i kinda agree with the whole poachers are always looking on this website to get info and tips thing. if someone shares too much, low and behold,they also show up at your special spot and they dont give a f@$! if they take 5 or 30 fish. lord know they never catch and release! as far as sharing tips and learning a few things i think its a cool website. thanks!

BakoBassin
01-06-2009, 01:53 PM
It's definitely a "learn the hard way" situation with good spots and message boards.

I keep my spots between me and my circle of fishing buddies from here and otherwise. A lot of the spots I fish are from intel gathered from other folks here.

Just from this small circle, we're talking about maybe 10 people. Then you figure in their friends and family...that's quite a few people. If you figure there might be 10 people (at the VERY least) watching this board and don't contribute...It's really a good idea to keep the exact location of your honey holes to yourself.

I saw the amount of people fishing a spot at a local lake multiply by at least 5 after posting particulars here. Right down to the exact baits.

I say tell people they're biting at Lake X...They can try and figure it out from there. Either that or forge some friendships with some folks.

jim532
01-06-2009, 01:56 PM
I don't think all lurkers are poachers and all poachers are probably not lurkers. Poacher is a pretty strong word to be using for anyone who shows up at YOUR secret spot.

goseango
01-06-2009, 02:00 PM
What's Going On?
Currently Active Users: 109 (44 members and 65 guests)

:EyePop:

ronniek524
01-06-2009, 02:27 PM
I believe there are good reports and bad reports out there. A good report give a brief description of the condition of the weather/ water/ fish/ etc on a specific day. That gives all fellow anglers the understanding to minimize what to take out during that day to a specific lake. Although a report might influence many to go to that specific lake, and it's not for poaching in mind but simply to have better chances in catching fish. I also agree that some are just straight poachers, but i guess it's how many who tries to learn how to fish or don't know how to fish aproaches. That is the first question they ask: "How can i catch fish?" or "I want to catch alot of bass like you did, so where was the location? or what lure did you use?".... Just a thought...

So thinking positively,

No need to report a specific spot or exactly the detail, but the lake/ condition and some blur pics or pics that doesn't show much of your spot would be nice :)

slief
01-06-2009, 02:54 PM
lizzay, you don't have a boat do you? if you don't want to talk about the creek behind your house, don't talk about it. its lame to come on here an announce that you're no longer giving up info. what's the point, are you being hounded for info? i'm not going to cry about people who need to post a photo for recognition but can't talk about anything else approaching a "report" but there is a section for exactly that kind of deal. i think people can't stand using that section because not enough people will see your brag shot like they will when you post in the report section. i'll take as much or as little info as people want to give but its pretty funny to try to split the difference by making "reports" with no actual info. if that's the deal, just lurk, you're not contributing anything more than they are.

I am with you on that ..

Why come on and create a topic of "I am not sharing my spots anymore"?? You wont post your fishing spots but you will post that you wont post your spots.. I dont get it.:Rolls Eyes:

Seems to me that was a form of social suicide.. Good luck to you..


Frankly I could care less about the spots people fish in. Of course its good to know what lakes, streams and rivers are producing and even better to see some pictures, but poaching peoples spots is not why I come here.. Not to mention that I almost always release everything I catch in fresh water.....

Except for bass! :ROFL:

DKCbassman
01-06-2009, 03:30 PM
Okay just to settle this real quick, if you look back at TJ's posts from last year's spawn you will see where he ended up saying something to the effect of how the lurker's and jocks suddenly filled the spot(The same spot all the fish were being taken from on stringers, undersized,etc.). This is not a direct quote, but even after speaking to TJ at the lake, he himself said it was a dumb thing to do and he even started trying to fix pics. to throw off the idiots.

DKCbassman
01-06-2009, 03:37 PM
Seal, you remove your comment of idiot toward me and I'll remove the word idiot. What other word would you prefer I use to describe TJ's actions? Nothing personal on the guy(TJ) just a stupid move.

seal
01-06-2009, 03:41 PM
Seal, you remove your comment of idiot toward me and I'll remove the word idiot. What other word would you prefer I use to describe TJ's actions? Nothing personal on the guy(TJ) just a stupid move.

Done, opinions are always cool but insults not so cool.

Nessie Hunter
01-06-2009, 03:45 PM
I think any time we say "Secret Spot" it is a misnomer..
We actually mean a spot less used others, that has been good to us...

Once it has been given up on the internet its history, toast etc etc..

I have found that stocked Put & Take locations are fair game to talk about. Next week it gets stocked again, WTH...

Other locations, need to be held in a little higher regard, and not exploited.

I myself take more interest in the conditions where you fish, the techniques & baits used, so I can apply or try them at my fishing spots...
I honestly dont care WHERE you fished....

I do like fish Porn though...... :ROFL: :ROFL:

When I see people ask WHERE, I just roll my eyes, they are packing to go as they type... Truck & report chasers.....




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LunkerLover
01-06-2009, 03:55 PM
shame.

I was raised to have the mentality that fishing was to release from the stresses of life and to relax. By the sound of some of your "e-voices," you guys need to frickin chill out...

God ... I hope I don't run into some of you at your "secret" :UDaMan: spots.

I'm gunna go crack open a cold one and scan Google Earth for some hidden honey holes :Wink:

DKCbassman
01-06-2009, 03:57 PM
So I decided to join FNN to HELP OTHERS as many of you have. I decided not to contribute to FISH REPORTS due to the whole lurker, poacher situation. Traffic, Weather, Boats, Directions, Fish Graphs, Trolling motors, Transducer mounting, Upgrades,etc. Anything else I have knowledge on is fair game. These are all forms of contributing without the reports.

DarkShadow
01-06-2009, 04:09 PM
These are all forms of contributing without the reports.

Good point there.

DKCbassman
01-06-2009, 04:16 PM
I'm not trying to start **** I just say it the way I see it.

buck liggett
01-06-2009, 04:18 PM
shame.

I was raised to have the mentality that fishing was to release from the stresses of life and to relax. By the sound of some of your "e-voices," you guys need to frickin chill out...

God ... I hope I don't run into some of you at your "secret" :UDaMan: spots.

I'm gunna go crack open a cold one and scan Google Earth for some hidden honey holes :Wink:

Good post LunkerLover :ROFL:

I too like the pics & reading about techniques etc. And could give a rats butt about anybodys honey holes!!! I'm just glad to be there & BS with whoever I'm fishin with! Part of the fun of fishing is finding the fish & what you can trick them into biting.

smokinflies
01-06-2009, 04:43 PM
not be helping anybody with any spots of mine for any of the fishing I do or the discovery that may lurk upon me. I've finally realized that if you have a way to fish or a "honey hole" to fish you should keep it a very big secret so it doesn't get outfished by poachers or anybody else then that way maybe the population of fishes can be sustained a lot better. I now understand why people keep their spots and techniques a secret to everyone. To a good 09 peeps and big fish. Just don't say anything.

I think joedaplumber can help you, lizzay and anyone else that has a problem with lurkers.:Wink::Wink:

Just ask him how.

BIGRED KILLA
01-06-2009, 04:53 PM
Ya if people need help on here i try to give them as much info i no for the salt/fresh but fish reports not so much.





Bigred

chris
01-06-2009, 05:21 PM
i think the pay to fish lakes you post about are getting hammered now more so then before because all the other options are diminishing... i.e no warm water ocean or freshwater bass bite, no rockfish, the majority of the sierra's are closed pretty much only fun right now is pay to kill tailess trout.by march the novelty will wear off and sarl will be back to light crowds

ghetto dad
01-06-2009, 05:26 PM
Ya if people need help on here i try to give them as much info i no for the salt/fresh but fish reports not so much.





Bigred

If people ask YOU for help, then they REALLY DO need help!! :ROFL:

GD

buttflyzzz
01-06-2009, 05:38 PM
not this sh*# again :Dead Horse::Dead Horse::Dog Piss::Nut Kick:

Manny
01-06-2009, 06:01 PM
I can say i would not be the fisherman i am today without the help of many of the people on this site.



here,here.....

FISHBAIT
01-06-2009, 06:39 PM
GHETTO DAD.
I only ment not post his "secrets" we come here for info, help, and to BS about our trips. If you don't want to share great don't share but don't tell us about it like we all drove him to this. I'm not trying to upset anyone just giving my input.

Fishbait

Kareem Korn
01-06-2009, 09:07 PM
Let me ask this. How many that give reports are giving reports to better inform of technique, methods used sometimes location, water temp, weather conditions, etc... ? And, how many are just showing off an exciting time they experienced on the water in the form of a report?

Ghettodad, don't stop sharing your stoke and story for that day on the water. That's the fun of being a fisherman. Leave the details to yourself. Shoot, just post a picture (w/o locations of course) that's a story in it's self that we can all relate to, do details needed.

yamafish
01-06-2009, 10:16 PM
lizzay, you don't have a boat do you? if you don't want to talk about the creek behind your house, don't talk about it. its lame to come on here an announce that you're no longer giving up info. what's the point, are you being hounded for info? i'm not going to cry about people who need to post a photo for recognition but can't talk about anything else approaching a "report" but there is a section for exactly that kind of deal. i think people can't stand using that section because not enough people will see your brag shot like they will when you post in the report section. i'll take as much or as little info as people want to give but its pretty funny to try to split the difference by making "reports" with no actual info. if that's the deal, just lurk, you're not contributing anything more than they are.


Lurk,
In defense of Lizzay. I can understand his point. Some smaller lakes are very location specific. And to give up those tips and spots can just shut it down completly. I respect him in the fact that if finds his secret honey hole, he will keep his secrets well guarded to himself.

Lurk your comments are intresting, albeit erroneous.
The only thing lame is your assumptions in your comments. I have fished with Lizzay. Incidentally he does own a new G3 boat.
If you were a an perceptive Lurker, you would have known this information.
I trust that you are a boat owner as well ?

Rodger - YamaFish

sansou
01-06-2009, 10:36 PM
Here's my take on this: Share what you want.

Some of us like to just share the experience, maybe just to show pics, maybe just to brag to comrades about a about a cool fish or locale, or just for the sake of keeping track of outings, or better yet, to show others what has been working for you. Inevitably there is always a varying ego factor in any report, whether it is reporting on a parent-kid fishing trip or some big money fishing tournament. It's all good in my book, and that is what makes FNN a great fishing message board.

It's a personal experience, and there are no steadfast rules other than common sense. If you think your special fishing spot is so fragile and sacred, then why in the heck would you even taunt others about it on a public message board? Why even bother "blacking out" the pics....all it does is invite speculation from the peanut gallery, IMO (but go ahead and blackout if you must. Personally, I think the pics look silly...so why even bother posting them in the first place?)

Common sense should dictate your reporting. The board is here for you to share what you wish to share. It's that simple.

BIGRED KILLA
01-07-2009, 01:19 AM
If people ask YOU for help, then they REALLY DO need help!! :ROFL:

GD



I think you need a little help Tom Cod hunter.lol



Bigred

BIGRED KILLA
01-07-2009, 01:21 AM
Here's my take on this: Share what you want.

Some of us like to just share the experience, maybe just to show pics, maybe just to brag to comrades about a about a cool fish or locale, or just for the sake of keeping track of outings, or better yet, to show others what has been working for you. Inevitably there is always a varying ego factor in any report, whether it is reporting on a parent-kid fishing trip or some big money fishing tournament. It's all good in my book, and that is what makes FNN a great fishing message board.

It's a personal experience, and there are no steadfast rules other than common sense. If you think your special fishing spot is so fragile and sacred, then why in the heck would you even taunt others about it on a public message board? Why even bother "blacking out" the pics....all it does is invite speculation from the peanut gallery, IMO (but go ahead and blackout if you must. Personally, I think the pics look silly...so why even bother posting them in the first place?)

Common sense should dictate your reporting. The board is here for you to share what you wish to share. It's that simple.



Thats true good post Rich.



Bigred

JSAUCE818
01-07-2009, 05:58 AM
i really dont care about sharing spots where i caught trout at for you truck chasers,...no biggie they are stocked trout so ....
The only thing i keep on the low arehoney Bass Holes i fish, cause they are all Ninja spots. Sometimes i post up blacked out pics, or majority of the time i dont post up my ninja sessions at all. I learned my lesson for giving out some ninja spots to some people:Angry:............

CASTAWAY
01-07-2009, 06:12 AM
So where's the hot bite for this weekend?:Big Grin:

Prado Lake perhaps?:ROFL:

TroutOnly
01-07-2009, 06:21 AM
HEY DKCBASSMAN TAKE ME TO ONE OF YOURE SPOTS I WONT TELL,,LOL,,,RICH YOU GOT IT RIGHT EVERYONE SHOULD USE GOOD JUDGEMENT ON WHAT AND WHERE AND HOWMON THERE FISHING INFO, IF YOU WANT TO REPORT AND NOT HELP THE LURKERS GIVE GENERAL INFO NOT EXACT INFO,,,,I USED TO POST ALOT MORE INFO BUT IT COMES IN CONFLICT WITH MY GUIDE SERVICE AND KNOW I HAVE TO GO UP TO BISHOP TO WORK FOR THE INDIANS THEN I WILL HIT ONE OF MY SECRET SPOTS ,PEOPLE THINK ITS TROLLYS ROCK BUT ITS NOT,,,,,,,t/o

fish4keep
01-07-2009, 08:09 AM
Common sense should dictate your reporting. The board is here for you to share what you wish to share. It's that simple.

Common sense is not so common for some.......

one_leg
01-07-2009, 08:30 AM
Troll crawlers with 8 colors of leadcore at the Santiago Creek inlet @ the Vine for the monster crappie right now!!!

jim532
01-07-2009, 08:30 AM
So did something happen to one of your "secret spots" Lizzay? Did you show up there and come across a major poaching operation or was the river dammed up with diapers and beer cans?
What happened?

lurk 182
01-07-2009, 11:06 AM
Lurk,
In defense of Lizzay. I can understand his point. Some smaller lakes are very location specific. And to give up those tips and spots can just shut it down completly. I respect him in the fact that if finds his secret honey hole, he will keep his secrets well guarded to himself.

Lurk your comments are intresting, albeit erroneous.
The only thing lame is your assumptions in your comments. I have fished with Lizzay. Incidentally he does own a new G3 boat.
If you were a an perceptive Lurker, you would have known this information.
I trust that you are a boat owner as well ?

Rodger - YamaFish

yeah, i've got a boat. i take it out pretty much every week to the same lake and hardly ever do i find fish in the same place they were the week before (bass). the reason i bring up the boat issue is that as small as our lakes are, there's still quite a lot of places to drop a line when you've got free reign over the entire body of water. i don't believe in "honey holes" because i know every decent fisherman who knows how to read a graph knows exactly where these spots are. they're not "mine" to begin with. this is SoCal, some of the most pressured little bodies of water in the country, there's no secrets, just guys who are better at figuring out the fish than others. i've never had one of "my" spots overrun so maybe i just don't understand the issue correctly.

the wierd thing to me was the announcement that there will be no more info when its clear that the guy is interested in posting something on a public forum. to each their own i guess. and most lurkers aren't poachers, they're just trying to get a little more info to work with before they go out, which is what i thought these sites were for. obviously, its mostly about bragging for some people. whatever, i'm glad he's got a boat though.

PureAle
01-07-2009, 11:50 AM
This is a funny post

The reason why people in general don't share tips or info on catching fish is because they want to survive.

I mean were still in the primative stage,like animals.we still think like them.

Those who post tips and info have passed that stage where they are more civilized.

I practice catch and release all the time.

If you don't want to post reports no more well we understand.

But remember,its the sharing of info which keeps this sport going.

That's my 2 cents.

fish4keep
01-07-2009, 12:04 PM
This is a funny post

The reason why people in general don't share tips or info on catching fish is because they want to survive.

I mean were still in the primative stage,like animals.we still think like them.

Those who post tips and info have passed that stage where they are more civilized.

I practice catch and release all the time.

If you don't want to post reports no more well we understand.

But remember,its the sharing of info which keeps this sport going.

That's my 2 cents.


I don't know about everyone, but I would like to think we ALL don't mind sharing tips. It's the LOCATION that this topic is about. IMHO, if it's a "stocked" place, I don't mind giving out the spot (general, ie: castaic, lagoon, pudd).

DarkShadow
01-07-2009, 12:59 PM
But remember,its the sharing of info which keeps this sport going.


I thought what kept the sport going is people going out on the water and fishing.

Places getting depleted is what 'stops' the sport from going anywhere, honestly.

NICKYMOUSE8
01-07-2009, 01:56 PM
Sharing is daring,Caring offending!!!!!!

HBJapo
01-07-2009, 02:17 PM
How many times are we going to rehash this issue? I really agree with Sansou. Post what you want. I personally like to give out fishing tips, just not specific spots. HB Central is hard to fish, good luck to all.

Japo :Envious:

doyousmellfish?
01-07-2009, 02:17 PM
Its funny to see you wright about the fish population being depleted. If I'm not mistaken you and your crew post countless reports of full stringers and live wells of pan fish. Its your right but to me keeping 25 fish is a little ridicules. I catch and release everything no matter what species. I'll do my part so the future might hold some fish for my kids. If your so concerned do yours. Just cause dfg says its OK doesn't mean its the best thing for the species (I think that's pretty obvious). Don't complain about a problem if your not willing to be part of the solution. This is strictly my opinion I mean no disrespect.

I also stopped posting reports due to people hounding me. At the same time just because people ask doesn't mean you have to tell them.

BingJr
01-07-2009, 02:20 PM
Bottom line, everyone on here is a better fisherman for being on here. Whether we pick some info thats usefull up only occassionally or we are newer to the sport and soak up the wealth of information that is on here, we all benefit from the site and those who share. Everyone is entitled to their own level of secrecy they want to employ. I post all my general information and tactics. I give out the very specifics to those who are friends or who have shared with me in the past. If everyone employs a no info rule, than this just becomes a website of historical data.


Peace Out.


P.S. I know Lizzay, he didnt really mean what it sounded like. But it made for good conversation. Time to move on.

PureAle
01-07-2009, 03:08 PM
I thought what kept the sport going is people going out on the water and fishing.

Places getting depleted is what 'stops' the sport from going anywhere, honestly.

what i meant sharing information about the sport. showing your children how to fish. etc. taking your buddies out who havent ever fished in their lifetime so they can pass down basics about fishing.

im totally against poachers.

PureAle
01-07-2009, 03:10 PM
I don't know about everyone, but I would like to think we ALL don't mind sharing tips. It's the LOCATION that this topic is about. IMHO, if it's a "stocked" place, I don't mind giving out the spot (general, ie: castaic, lagoon, pudd).

yup same here, i share info i know if a lake has been stocked.

DarkShadow
01-07-2009, 03:20 PM
what i meant sharing information about the sport. showing your children how to fish. etc. taking your buddies out who havent ever fished in their lifetime so they can pass down basics about fishing.


i think we can agree on the fact that the dissemination of information down to others is how a tradition, sport, or even culture, is continued.

but, as others have mentioned, what this thread DOES revolve around is the fact that specific spots don't need to be mentioned in order for a post to be informative. one can learn and share information about the sport, without having to divulge where you specifically caught your fish.

Seng90806
01-07-2009, 03:25 PM
Breaking News!!!

I JUST GOT BACK FROM SARL AND THEY ARE STOCKING TAILWALKERS RIGHT NOW :LOL:

one_leg
01-07-2009, 03:28 PM
Follow the truck to the secret spot. Works every time!!!

Seng90806
01-07-2009, 03:41 PM
if you dont make in time to catch the truck PM one_leg for the secret spot :ROFL:

one_leg
01-07-2009, 03:42 PM
if you dont make in time to catch the truck PM one_leg for the secret spot :ROFL:



One_Leg no longer accepts unsolicited PM's.

Seng90806
01-07-2009, 03:56 PM
One_Leg no longer accepts unsolicited PM's.


Call his hotline 1(900) HOT-SPOT

bluehunter
01-07-2009, 04:09 PM
The reason for a lot of spots being poached on is due to the internet. We are way past the days of true secret spots where only my buddies and I know of. Especially in crowded California. Botton line is when you post on a fishing forum your catches and reports - millions of others can possibly see it. Out of those millions several will want to fish that location, and some may actually ask you. I done my share of sharing to many people. Some to people who turned out to be good friends. Some to people who turned out to backstabbed you sort to say and use valuable info just to promote theirselves and try to out do you. . There are good people out there and bad people. Just have to be very careful of who you share really good info with. You can still give valuable info like a specific canal or river near Sqaw Lake without given out GPS coordinates. As far as secret spots, it may come as a surprise but unless it is hidden off in the high woods, or is in the mighty pacific ocean, as long as you are able to get to your specific spots, other can as well. The lakes we have here in California are very small, compared to the lakes and rivers of the mid west and east. You have a better chance of keeping secrests in those areas than here in California. Good fisherman find ways to find spots just like you came up on your secret spot. So it should not come of much surprise that you may one day show up to your spot and see someone fishing it or close to it - even if you never gave that spot out on the internet.

NICKYMOUSE8
01-07-2009, 11:12 PM
Also blame fishers who don't practice catch & release on non-stocked fishes like bass,PANFISHES ,ETC....

troutdog
01-07-2009, 11:25 PM
Has anyone tried gavin310's Thai Coconut Trout Soup posted in the recipe section yet? :Envious:


TD

olfishergal
01-07-2009, 11:47 PM
Has anyone tried gavin310's Thai Coconut Trout Soup posted in the recipe section yet? :Envious:


TD


might be better if you sub bass instead of trout.........:Envious:

troutdog
01-07-2009, 11:52 PM
might be better if you sub bass instead of trout.........:Envious:

Great minds think alike OFG....uh, er....you did mean WSB and not LMB though right? If not then this thread is JUST getting started :ROFL:


TD

muskyman
01-08-2009, 03:31 AM
I have secret spot in downtown chicago. It's out in front of the Sears tower to the John Hancock building. It's called Lake Michigan. I hope nobody finds it

SQUIRREL
01-08-2009, 08:27 AM
everyone has a secert about something if you don't want people to know the spot is secert then don't use the word secert. Just tell them about the fun you had and leave it that way. I have read on this board if you send a PM then i wll give the location. I have tried this and I get these results "oh" it is a private lake, can't take anyone. Another response was i know were you can catch alot of mackerel PM and I wll tell you I sent a Pm and the resopnes was I do't know you will enough. MY response is oh will it probaily was't true or they just wanting a response.

Thanks Andy

Flying
01-08-2009, 09:18 AM
My spot is so secret that not even the fish know where its at.:Secret::ROFL:

tacklejunkie
01-08-2009, 09:23 AM
Wow, how did I miss this one? :LOL:

I find it funny I am used as a reference when others were posting about the fishing during spawn before I was. It's all gravy, it was my first w/o bass spawn and I learned a lot. At least I wasn't sight fishing the whole time like 95% of the rest of the people that were out there. In retrospect, yes.. it was wrong to post 15 bass every other day with baits used and locations during the spawn. However, I was not an idiot. I was a newb.. and still am at bass fishing.

Maybe if some of the stuck up punk bassin' haters would have helped me learn or taught me proper bass fishing etiquette and spot secrecy instead of shunning me, their spots would not have been blown up. ;)

one_leg
01-08-2009, 09:35 AM
Maybe if some of the stuck up punk bassin' haters would have helped me learn or taught me proper bass fishing etiquette and spot secrecy instead of shunning me, their spots would not have been blown up. ;)


OMFG..................:ROFL: Casey, that is hillarious.

DEADROOTS
01-08-2009, 10:17 AM
not be helping anybody with any spots of mine for any of the fishing I do or the discovery that may lurk upon me. I've finally realized that if you have a way to fish or a "honey hole" to fish you should keep it a very big secret so it doesn't get outfished by poachers or anybody else then that way maybe the population of fishes can be sustained a lot better. I now understand why people keep their spots and techniques a secret to everyone. To a good 09 peeps and big fish. Just don't say anything.

You need Jesus:ROFL:

gletemfeelsteelgary
01-08-2009, 10:45 AM
not be helping anybody with any spots of mine for any of the fishing I do or the discovery that may lurk upon me. I've finally realized that if you have a way to fish or a "honey hole" to fish you should keep it a very big secret so it doesn't get outfished by poachers or anybody else then that way maybe the population of fishes can be sustained a lot better. I now understand why people keep their spots and techniques a secret to everyone. To a good 09 peeps and big fish. Just don't say anything.
I'm not sure I agree, though you have valid points and concerns we MUST retain some conradery in the sense that we should share some info with one another, this supports the spirit that is true of fishing.....and what fishing represents...

I'm not suggesting to give up detailed info and gps cordinates etc. just some basic info...

somewhere, sometime, someone shared info with us, we all grew and became better anglers through that, it's up to us to keep passing that torch and in good faith share with others...

It is ashamed that once in a while info is abused etc. and that's real bad regarding the want to share again but don't let a few bad apples spoil the bushell...

In the end, kharma comes back and rewards those who think about others and are considerate to those less savvy.

I do understand your concerns entirely but we as anglers should not turn our backs on each other....just use discression !

My 2 cents...
Gary

lizzay
01-08-2009, 10:50 AM
OMG!!!! In 24 hours this thread had more than triple in pages! Guys, I'm sorry for boiling anyone up, it was never intended on being like this. let me explain myself I may, I believe that no all information should be given and I'm just being too liberal for my own good in this matter. Going back to what Yamafish posted, certain spots around a lake may be great and always be great but once there is a report on the specific location it will get outfished forcing that area to be a hit or miss. For example, I love to fish the west ramp off shore at Castaic, that area after the deep cove closest to the ramp was an exceptional place to fish for stripers, only a couple would be fishing there but once it was out in the open, not saying from this board but others that I have known and mutal people from those others had advertised their catches by word of mouth and within less than a week it was elbow to elbow fishing. Now it's dead, at least I had a great time here for a couple of years. I'm just saying that poachers in general are the kill for what we all love here. I have nothing against lurkers, they can lurk all they want, maybe they don't share for reason of being shy, non-social, whatever the case may be. I have a friend on this board that does not contribute ever but he is a very nice guy and plays by the rules, regs, and law.

What I should've wrote in the beginning was that I'm not going to be sharing a lot of my specific locations of areas that aren't very popular and usual for people to fish at least to the general members. As for fisheries such as SARL, Corona, I'll tell you all the locations because these trouts won't be able to survive the hot summer in those shallow bowls of water they have, you pay them to fish. I've been waiting for this to bury for a couple of days now but it hasn't so I'm explaining myself in hopes that there can be a mutual understanding regarding this matter. I've just been researching a lot on people not respecting the limits and laws of fishing and found that a lot of these people even go as far as selling these fish to make a profit and that just discusts me. I should have approach my post with better wording and I apologize for not being very specific with all this, I was running out of time, had to leave work so I just blabbed out words without the explanations.

I will post just my pics in the photo section if I don't want to shout out my areas but I will never reject a question of the bait, lure, leader length or any tackle used. If I choose to do a report it will be as detailed as if you were fishing right next to me. So can we just please fish???

Dan_the_Man
01-08-2009, 10:59 AM
I see it this way.

If you want to share a spot ask people to PM you for location.
If you have a gripe PM the person.:Pillow Fight:

If you don't want to share cetain things that might get exploited then think first before typing.:Censored:

Always expect that there will be some that Lurk, some that Poach and some that just can't share the same sandbox.:Nut Kick:

I post to inform, not to reveal. We're here to help.......Not Fight.:Beat Stick:

Post here to Assist others and Inform not to show your True Colors. We all get it, we are different. But no need to fight about it here. PM each other if your angry. :Soap Box:

My two cents. :My Two Cents:

Tight Lines, Sweet Spots & Keepin It Reel !!!
--Otherwise seek Angler management--

lizzay
01-08-2009, 10:59 AM
So did something happen to one of your "secret spots" Lizzay? Did you show up there and come across a major poaching operation or was the river dammed up with diapers and beer cans?
What happened?

I have no where to fish in castaic because my f***** uncle tells people and these people actually have the nerve to call and ask how fishing at castaic or pyamid's been doing. These people catches double triple limits then just gives them away to people or whatever else. So can we just call it quits? I was irritated and researched on what it is doing and realized that I need to stop being too nice. I apologize for any misdirections to my words.

LEAD DEVIL
01-08-2009, 11:07 AM
I have def noticed double the people at my fishing hole since a positive post on this site.

one_leg
01-08-2009, 11:44 AM
I've just been researching a lot on people not respecting the limits and laws of fishing and found that a lot of these people even go as far as selling these fish to make a profit and that just discusts me.


I wonder if it is illegal to sell fish caught at a paylake.

You do not need a license to fish at these lakes so how can it be illegal to sell the fish you have caught there?

I know that the DFG regs prohibit selling fish caught where you need a sportfishing license.

But what about selling your catch from a paylake?

TooLazy2ReadTheRegsAnymore_Leg

Ray Lopez
01-08-2009, 11:59 AM
Wow, how did I miss this one? :LOL:

I find it funny I am used as a reference when others were posting about the fishing during spawn before I was. It's all gravy, it was my first w/o bass spawn and I learned a lot. At least I wasn't sight fishing the whole time like 95% of the rest of the people that were out there. In retrospect, yes.. it was wrong to post 15 bass every other day with baits used and locations during the spawn. However, I was not an idiot. I was a newb.. and still am at bass fishing.

Maybe if some of the stuck up punk bassin' haters would have helped me learn or taught me proper bass fishing etiquette and spot secrecy instead of shunning me, their spots would not have been blown up. ;)
do even worry about it. Just like when the shad were hitting good on the west ramp i was posting every day about catching 30 to 40 bass in a few hours. It never got to crowded and the few people that saw my posts would thank me and i would help them out. Fishing is fishing. People love to hate.

I'm not sure I agree, though you have valid points and concerns we MUST retain some conradery in the sense that we should share some info with one another, this supports the spirit that is true of fishing.....and what fishing represents...

I'm not suggesting to give up detailed info and gps cordinates etc. just some basic info...

somewhere, sometime, someone shared info with us, we all grew and became better angler though that, it's up to us to keep passing that torch and in good faith share with others...

It is ashamed that once in a while info is abused etc. and that's real bad regarding the want to share again but don't let a few bad apples spoil the bushell...

In the end, kharma comes back and rewards those who think about others and are considerate to those less savvy.

I do understand your concerns entirely but we as anglers should not turn our backs on each other....just use discression !

My 2 cents...
Gary
i agree with gary.

i pick his brain everytime i fish with him lol....

City Dad
01-08-2009, 12:08 PM
OMG!!!! In 24 hours this thread had more than triple in pages! Guys, I'm sorry for boiling anyone up, it was never intended on being like this. let me explain myself I may, I believe that no all information should be given and I'm just being too liberal for my own good in this matter. Going back to what Yamafish posted, certain spots around a lake may be great and always be great but once there is a report on the specific location it will get outfished forcing that area to be a hit or miss. For example, I love to fish the west ramp off shore at Castaic, that area after the deep cove closest to the ramp was an exceptional place to fish for stripers, only a couple would be fishing there but once it was out in the open, not saying from this board but others that I have known and mutal people from those others had advertised their catches by word of mouth and within less than a week it was elbow to elbow fishing. Now it's dead, at least I had a great time here for a couple of years. I'm just saying that poachers in general are the kill for what we all love here. I have nothing against lurkers, they can lurk all they want, maybe they don't share for reason of being shy, non-social, whatever the case may be. I have a friend on this board that does not contribute ever but he is a very nice guy and plays by the rules, regs, and law.

What I should've wrote in the beginning was that I'm not going to be sharing a lot of my specific locations of areas that aren't very popular and usual for people to fish at least to the general members. As for fisheries such as SARL, Corona, I'll tell you all the locations because these trouts won't be able to survive the hot summer in those shallow bowls of water they have, you pay them to fish. I've been waiting for this to bury for a couple of days now but it hasn't so I'm explaining myself in hopes that there can be a mutual understanding regarding this matter. I've just been researching a lot on people not respecting the limits and laws of fishing and found that a lot of these people even go as far as selling these fish to make a profit and that just discusts me. I should have approach my post with better wording and I apologize for not being very specific with all this, I was running out of time, had to leave work so I just blabbed out words without the explanations.

I will post just my pics in the photo section if I don't want to shout out my areas but I will never reject a question of the bait, lure, leader length or any tackle used. If I choose to do a report it will be as detailed as if you were fishing right next to me. So can we just please fish???

I must admit... I haven't read anything you've written... but, you sure do make a good point. Anyhow, can you give me GPS coords for a good LMB spot? I've gotta fish fry Friday night.

And I also agree with Gary except that when I retain conradery it tends to make my ankles swell...

one_leg
01-08-2009, 12:12 PM
Fish lures near the points.

lizzay
01-08-2009, 12:15 PM
I wonder if it is illegal to sell fish caught at a paylake.

You do not need a license to fish at these lakes so how can it be illegal to sell the fish you have caught there?

I know that the DFG regs prohibit selling fish caught where you need a sportfishing license.

But what about selling your catch from a paylake?

TooLazy2ReadTheRegsAnymore_Leg

I'm talking about castaic and stripers

lizzay
01-08-2009, 12:17 PM
I must admit... I haven't read anything you've written... but, you sure do make a good point. Anyhow, can you give me GPS coords for a good LMB spot? I've gotta fish fry Friday night.

And I also agree with Gary except that when I retain conradery it tends to make my ankles swell...

The asian markets has them for like 10 bucks a pound, wonder where they got those from. Do they actually have LMB farms for stores????

lizzay
01-08-2009, 12:17 PM
I must admit... I haven't read anything you've written... but, you sure do make a good point. Anyhow, can you give me GPS coords for a good LMB spot? I've gotta fish fry Friday night.

And I also agree with Gary except that when I retain conradery it tends to make my ankles swell...

The asian markets has them for like 10 bucks a pound, wonder where they got those from. Do they actually have LMB farms for stores???? Just a question. That is it...

one_leg
01-08-2009, 12:21 PM
As for fisheries such as SARL, Corona, I'll tell you all the locations because these trouts won't be able to survive the hot summer in those shallow bowls of water they have, you pay them to fish.
Where would you fish for the huge trout at SARL and what lures would you use while trolling?

lizzay
01-08-2009, 12:42 PM
Where would you fish for the huge trout at SARL and what lures would you use while trolling?

Mira Shads are good, I personally like the Thomas Bouyant red/gold, they catch more quantity. I also have some rapala floaters that I would put a small split shot on just to get it down deeper. And I would troll them everywhere. Keep in mind One Leg, I only trolled there or in my life for trouts like 6-8 times so I hardly know what I'm doing, I was just getting lucky. I've only found one huge trout which I didn't even personally pull up myself and that was 8lb. Lassen that my friend caught. My biggest trout I've ever caught was 4.5lb. and that was on my previous post this season at SARL. I'm not the only guy for SARL, but of course you know that because we all were at the lake on that opening day. It was good to meet you in person btw

one_leg
01-08-2009, 12:47 PM
It was a pleasure meeting you too. Was that opening day? Wow!!!!

Seems like only yesterday.


Deeper..............:Big Grin:

lurk 182
01-08-2009, 12:57 PM
I have no where to fish in castaic because my f***** uncle tells people and these people actually have the nerve to call and ask how fishing at castaic or pyamid's been doing. These people catches double triple limits then just gives them away to people or whatever else. So can we just call it quits? I was irritated and researched on what it is doing and realized that I need to stop being too nice. I apologize for any misdirections to my words.

its not your fault that your uncle's buddies are knuckheads. generally people have a little more tact. don't stop being helpful, just don't help boneheads if you know that's what they're about.

Seng90806
01-08-2009, 01:11 PM
****Everyone find your own spots****


:Big Grin: Than PM me if that spot is producing :Big Grin:

one_leg
01-08-2009, 01:42 PM
Don't stand up and fight your fish when you are trolling and catch one at your favorite "secret spots".

Also avoid the temptation to hoot and holler when you are fighting and landing toads.

I hope that one of these days I will learn how to do both of these things.

devin828
01-11-2009, 11:07 AM
Try looking at it threw this window

If you and your woman break up

you see her with another guy is she still your woman snice you had her first ?

a good fishing hole is like a woman

Every Tom and Jerry wants to put his Lure in her and give her a try.

think about it

The lakes and rivers are not ours we have no clame on it we ARE ALL TOM & JERRY

It all belongs to Mother Nature

Give Back to the source

CPR






devin828

Flying
01-11-2009, 12:54 PM
Try looking at it threw this window

If you and your woman break up

you see her with another guy is she still your woman snice you had her first ?

a good fishing hole is like a woman

Every Tom and Jerry wants to put his Lure in her and give her a try.

think about it

The lakes and rivers are not ours we have no clame on it we ARE ALL TOM & JERRY

It all belongs to Mother Nature

Give Back to the source

CPR






devin828

So then is OK for women to post their honey holes? :Confused:

THROWBACK RANGER
01-11-2009, 12:57 PM
see man your learning!!!!!

dodoman
01-11-2009, 04:26 PM
i dont like jumping in on any arguments, there are other ways of settling this.

lizzy ( never fished with or know this person ) is right.
WE HAVE A SERIOUS POACHING ISSUES , in many of our popular lake.

its great to post pictures, and a report, but you dont have to EXACT POINTING OUT the location.

if yall continue on throwing swimbaits at each other, THROW some my way.lol

Senor Rambone
01-12-2009, 11:09 PM
"god helps those who help themselves" :Twisted::Evil::Twisted:

gletemfeelsteelgary
01-13-2009, 10:51 AM
So then is OK for women to post their honey holes? :Confused:

LMAO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

That is freakin funny !

I'd say it's ok...not sure about the site administrators though

Ha ha ha !