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fishing_addict
09-27-2008, 11:34 AM
1 888 DFG-CALTIP (888 334-2258), 24 hours a day, seven days a week.
http://www.fs.fed.us/recreation/map/state_list.shtml#California

I don't know about you guys but I'm getting tired and PO'd at seeing trash left in our parks and forests as well as on our waters. I also have gotten tired of witnessing first hand, people fishing without a license or keeping fish too small... aka poaching.....

1 888 DFG-CALTIP (888 334-2258), 24 hours a day, seven days a week.
http://www.fs.fed.us/recreation/map/state_list.shtml#California


Call 'em out!

Badfish2
10-08-2008, 01:00 AM
I'm down to drop a dime, but I'd be concerned that nobody would show up

Sierra_Smitty
10-08-2008, 11:09 AM
I'm down to drop a dime, but I'd be concerned that nobody would show up

They sure show up in the Eastern Sierra - I can say that from multiple personal experiences. It's important to give the Cal-Tip operator as much detail as possible including the violation you saw and a description of the alleged violater i.e. aproximate age, height, hair color, what they are wearing (red jacket, black hat for instance), vehicle make & model and if you're lucky, a license plate number. Even if the perp bails before the warden arrives, they will look for them. It's also advisable to be sly about it - if the individual is aware that a warden is on the way, they may bail making it more difficult to bring them to justice. As much as you'd like to confont the person, it's best to hold it in and not make it obvious. Another reason this is important is that it's easier to make a violation stick if the warden catches them in the act.

That's my two cents.

smitty

golfish
10-08-2008, 05:32 PM
My Sis, her husband and 3 boys go to the Eastern Sierra's 2-5x a year during the summer. Sometimes when they go they stay for a week or more. They'd fish Crowley mostly and for the most parts catch their limit everyday (bait fishing)...So that's 25 fish a day x 7 (week's stay).. I've practice Catch N Release most of my adult life. If I'm camping I'll keep one or more for dinner depending on how many people. If I'm with the kids and doing bait we'll catch what we're going to eat that night or morning and stop catching...That's my rule of thumb so to speak. I'd think most follow a similar idea.

A few years back I mentioned to my sis that she should be careful having that many fish in her ice chest when they come home...She just about ripped my head off..."we're there a week, we should be able to keep our limit everyday" Oh man! needless to say it didn't go over real well when I told her the law and how she might loose their truck and boat if they keep doing what their doing.

Sierra_Smitty
10-08-2008, 07:21 PM
My Sis, her husband and 3 boys go to the Eastern Sierra's 2-5x a year during the summer. Sometimes when they go they stay for a week or more. They'd fish Crowley mostly and for the most parts catch their limit everyday (bait fishing)...So that's 25 fish a day x 7 (week's stay).. I've practice Catch N Release most of my adult life. If I'm camping I'll keep one or more for dinner depending on how many people. If I'm with the kids and doing bait we'll catch what we're going to eat that night or morning and stop catching...That's my rule of thumb so to speak. I'd think most follow a similar idea.

A few years back I mentioned to my sis that she should be careful having that many fish in her ice chest when they come home...She just about ripped my head off..."we're there a week, we should be able to keep our limit everyday" Oh man! needless to say it didn't go over real well when I told her the law and how she might loose their truck and boat if they keep doing what their doing.

I see this all the time unfortunately...and I see people getting popped for it all the time too. It's an incredibly expensive offense. If someone doesn't like the law they should go through the proper channels to either better understand why the law is what is or try and change it if they find it unreasonable. The alternative isn't very pleasant...and if you're caught up here, they have zero sympathy for those found to be breaking limit or licensing laws.

Badfish2
10-09-2008, 12:21 AM
So far I've been up there over 20 years and I've only seen the DFG actively handing out tickets at Convict lake.. nowhere else. :Neutral: I'd report if I saw something outragious but I'm not up there to get caught up in drama, I'm there to fish. People carry guns up there, and lots of them too. Last thing I need is a gun battle over a few extra fish. Police reponse up there and cell phone service is not the best.

Sierra_Smitty
10-09-2008, 09:09 AM
So far I've been up there over 20 years and I've only seen the DFG actively handing out tickets at Convict lake.. nowhere else. :Neutral: I'd report if I saw something outragious but I'm not up there to get caught up in drama, I'm there to fish. People carry guns up there, and lots of them too. Last thing I need is a gun battle over a few extra fish. Police reponse up there and cell phone service is not the best.

You must not fish in the Bishop area very often...I've seen the warden as much as three times a week this season and I see him writing people up all the time. I love it. Just this week I was sitting at Bishop Creek Lodge and the warden came up following a guy in a fancy SUV. The guy apparently didn't have his license on him but "had it back at the cabin". The warden followed him to BCL where the guy promptly parked in front of the store and started walking in. The warden got him to hault - then the guy gave the warden some lip (bad idea). Next thing you see is the warden walking him back to his car, escorting him to his cabin and what do you know? No license = ticket! haha! The best part is that 30 minutes later you see the wife in the store buying a couple licenses. Damn expensive mistake. My other favorite from this year were the guys who were 19 fish over limit - warden mozied up to the fish cleaning station and caught the guys red handed. I'm not sure if it's true but someone said it was $50 per fish over limit or something....if that's the case, OUCH!

And like I said before - the last thing you want to do is get in the offenders face, you want to notify Cal-Tip quietly and without the perp knowing so the warden can catch them in the act. No need for a confrontation.

BTW - what kind of folks camp at Convict Lake these days? Carrying guns?

golfish
10-09-2008, 03:59 PM
The wife and I were fishing upper Twin (bridgeport) back around 1994 or so. a fellow walked down the rocks to where we were and started talking to us, 15-20 minutes maybe....real nice guy. We said our goodbyes and he started back up the hill towards the road, took about 10 steps, turned around and said.."bye the way, I'm with the DFG and I need to see your fishing license" :Dancing Banana: we had em.

I was asked again on the Lower Owens a few years later. I didn't have it with me and I was walking up the road back to the truck to get it (not really but that's what I told the warden) This guy was a real prick. He had black Ford Bronco with a dog. He treaded us pretty bad and I did the same to him, he couldn't do anything cause we had no lines in the water.

I will say this about my sis and her family. They don't waste a single fish. I can't get on em too much because they do eat em.

Badfish2
10-09-2008, 08:33 PM
You must not fish in the Bishop area very often...I've seen the warden as much as three times a week this season and I see him writing people up all the time. I love it. Just this week I was sitting at Bishop Creek Lodge and the warden came up following a guy in a fancy SUV. The guy apparently didn't have his license on him but "had it back at the cabin". The warden followed him to BCL where the guy promptly parked in front of the store and started walking in. The warden got him to hault - then the guy gave the warden some lip (bad idea). Next thing you see is the warden walking him back to his car, escorting him to his cabin and what do you know? No license = ticket! haha! The best part is that 30 minutes later you see the wife in the store buying a couple licenses. Damn expensive mistake. My other favorite from this year were the guys who were 19 fish over limit - warden mozied up to the fish cleaning station and caught the guys red handed. I'm not sure if it's true but someone said it was $50 per fish over limit or something....if that's the case, OUCH!

And like I said before - the last thing you want to do is get in the offenders face, you want to notify Cal-Tip quietly and without the perp knowing so the warden can catch them in the act. No need for a confrontation.

BTW - what kind of folks camp at Convict Lake these days? Carrying guns?


I've fished the Bishop area 7 times this year since last January. So, if that's not often, I guess you're right.....But, as I said I don't see Wardens around much...driving? yes, but not walking around hitting up people for licenses..

I've seen more than a few people with guns up in the sierra, it's common place. Last time I was there a few weeks ago there were trucks with huge gun racks with large rifles out in the open. In fact, there was a thread not long ago here where a guy and his family (everyday people) that put up pictures of the guns they brought to do some shooting. You walk around with your eyes closed if you don't notice the guns.

Sierra_Smitty
10-09-2008, 09:13 PM
I've fished the Bishop area 7 times this year since last January. So, if that's not often, I guess you're right.....But, as I said I don't see Wardens around much...driving? yes, but not walking around hitting up people for licenses..

I've seen more than a few people with guns up in the sierra, it's common place. Last time I was there a few weeks ago there were trucks with huge gun racks with large rifles out in the open. In fact, there was a thread not long ago here where a guy and his family (everyday people) that put up pictures of the guns they brought to do some shooting. You walk around with your eyes closed if you don't notice the guns.

I should clarify this....the local warden that was here for years retired last year. The new guy is originally from Bishop and young so naturally he's far more on top of things than the previous guy, although the other guy wasn't too bad. If you've seen him driving, then you've seen him and I gaurantee you he was out walking around somewhere near you ticketing people that day....I'm sure you obey the law so he had no reason to hassle you. Also, one guy can't cover the entire territory without only "driving by" a few areas but the important thing to know is that he's there and at any time any given person may be in the spot where he's walking the shores or parked in his truck watching with his binoculars. I'm just saying that since I live here, I see him all the time and I know that he's around a whole lot (thank goodness). All of us rely on those fish to enjoy our recreation time, which we all work hard for. Others, like myself, rely on those fish to pay the bills so even more is at stake. The truth is that either way, we all have a vested interest in making sure folks are practicing good angling ethics.

About the guns thing....yeah, I see guns from time to time, a lot more now that it's hunting season of course. It's been hunting season for one game or another since Sept. 1 so I see plenty of shotguns and rifles...but it's not like people have glocks tucked in their jeans while fishing Intake II ya know? I would also say that I have yet to see anyone up here that I would think would use a firearm on another person in an argument, let alone a spat about fishing, not even for even a second have I entertained that thought. We get very few shady folks venturing up in the canyon. Still though, the point I was trying to make is that there is no need for a confrontation - which seemed to be one of the two reason why you opt not to report things when you see them. Report these people on the sly. It's best for you because all you have to do is report what you see, no hassle. It's best for law enforcement because they have the best chance to catch them in the act and nail the one who deserves it.

Sorry if there was some confusion in my initial response.

Smitty

Badfish2
10-10-2008, 02:53 AM
I should clarify this....the local warden that was here for years retired last year. The new guy is originally from Bishop and young so naturally he's far more on top of things than the previous guy, although the other guy wasn't too bad. If you've seen him driving, then you've seen him and I gaurantee you he was out walking around somewhere near you ticketing people that day....I'm sure you obey the law so he had no reason to hassle you. Also, one guy can't cover the entire territory without only "driving by" a few areas but the important thing to know is that he's there and at any time any given person may be in the spot where he's walking the shores or parked in his truck watching with his binoculars. I'm just saying that since I live here, I see him all the time and I know that he's around a whole lot (thank goodness). All of us rely on those fish to enjoy our recreation time, which we all work hard for. Others, like myself, rely on those fish to pay the bills so even more is at stake. The truth is that either way, we all have a vested interest in making sure folks are practicing good angling ethics.

About the guns thing....yeah, I see guns from time to time, a lot more now that it's hunting season of course. It's been hunting season for one game or another since Sept. 1 so I see plenty of shotguns and rifles...but it's not like people have glocks tucked in their jeans while fishing Intake II ya know? I would also say that I have yet to see anyone up here that I would think would use a firearm on another person in an argument, let alone a spat about fishing, not even for even a second have I entertained that thought. We get very few shady folks venturing up in the canyon. Still though, the point I was trying to make is that there is no need for a confrontation - which seemed to be one of the two reason why you opt not to report things when you see them. Report these people on the sly. It's best for you because all you have to do is report what you see, no hassle. It's best for law enforcement because they have the best chance to catch them in the act and nail the one who deserves it.

Sorry if there was some confusion in my initial response.

Smitty

All valid points, I"m not trying to argue with you mr Smitty.. I'm just saying it's not a good idea for MOST people to be taking down license plates and attempting to Identify someone that could lead to a very very very expensive ticket or even Jail time. The average fisherman is in no position to handle such a duty. That's what law enforcement is for. Everyone reporting something like that needs to take extreme caution when doing so, not everyone that sees you reporting them is going to take it lightly or let you do it at all. And being in the sierras (topic of this thread) there are areas where making a Cell phone call is not an option making it at least 1 hr or more before an officer can get there.. and that's being gracious. I'm just saying, be careful is all.

golfish
10-10-2008, 03:07 PM
a few Calif gun laws....


Carrying And Transportation In Vehicles:

It is unlawful to carry a loaded rifle, shotgun, or handgun in any public place or on any public street in an incorporated area or an area where firing a firearm is prohibited.
Exceptions include:

Persons shooting on target ranges, or while hunting on the premises of a shooting club.

A person who reasonably believes that he or his property is in immediate danger and the weapon must be carried for "preservation."

A person "engaged in the act of making or attempting lawful arrest."

A person carrying a firearm while at home or at his place of business, including temporary residences and campsites.

Carrying a handgun concealed is prohibited without a license. The law states "Firearms carried openly in belt holsters are not concealed within the meaning of this section."
Carrying a handgun concealed within a vehicle is prohibited without a license. A handgun carried in a glove compartment or under the seat of a vehicle is considered to be concealed. A handgun placed in the trunk of an automobile, or locked in a container in the vehicle other than the utility or glove compartment or while in a locked container carried directly to or from a vehicle is deemed not to be "concealed." A locked container means a fully enclosed secure container locked by a key lock or similar locking device.

Exceptions to this prohibition are:

Members of clubs organized for practice shooting while on any established target range or going to and from such range.

Licensed hunters and fishermen while engaged in hunting or fishing and while going to or from such hunting or fishing expeditions and members of an antique or historical collector's club while at a show, or while going to and from a display as long as the weapons are locked in a trunk or are in a locked container.