help needed to ID Fish

[amskater]

Went fishing last night at Redondo Pier and I caught this fish it looked like a shark and had 2 spikes down its back. It was gray with dark gray spots here are the photos

http://i270.photobucket.com/albums/jj118/LADSMer/fishing/Photo_070808_002copy.jpg

http://i270.photobucket.com/albums/jj118/LADSMer/fishing/Photo_070808_003copy.jpg

http://i270.photobucket.com/albums/jj118/LADSMer/fishing/Photo_070808_004copy.jpg

and also caught this lil fish but not sure what type it is too

http://i270.photobucket.com/albums/jj118/LADSMer/fishing/Photo_070908_002copy.jpg

as expected the pier was crowded and catching macs. I also caught a YFC. My gf got the skunk all fish caught and released and were caught on squid

[pipelayer5150]

looks like a fun night of fishing id say the first one looks like a horn shark not sure about the second.

[herekittykitty]

the first is definately a horn shark, as to the second pic I am not too sure

[bonitoboy]

Baby Spotfin?

[doyoufishmuch]

Yea it looks like a spotfin croaker. They've got that black spot on the side by the pectoral fin. And sorta have that silver color with a slight blue-ish tinge.

[gletemfeelsteelgary]

yeah the 2nd seems to be a croaker...real hard to tell as these photos are real dark and not clear....

check out the jety over there sometime....get on some sandbass and Halibut.

Try getting some clearer pictures

[amskater]

thanks for the replys and I usually have better photos but the last couple times ive gone fishing ive forgot the camera or the battery's died Ive been meaning to try some jettys

[GOTFISHUES]

howzit,

first off nice post, congrats on the shark, ive been trying to catch one of those for years, but as for your other fish i have to disagree with the others. though the pic is under bad light, and the colorations definetly resemble that of a spotfin, as well as the little spot behind the fin. upon further inspection i noticed that your fish is lacking an important feature that spotfin croaker have (and all croaker for that matter) is a submissive mouth, meaning his mouth should be on the underside of his head for bottom foraging.

heres an example from mexfish.com fish identification,




http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll140/GOTFISSUES/spotcroksnow22712.jpg


Fish Identification Photos: Spotfin Croaker, Spotfin Drum, Roncador stearnsi: The Spotfin Croaker is characterized by its metallic blue-gray overall appearance, blue-gray tint on the top, silvery lower body, very faint undulating series of lines along its sides, and a very characteristic large black blotch on the base of its pectoral fin. The Spotfin Croaker has an elongated body with a blunt snout that overhangs a recessed mouth. It does not have a barbell. The gill covers are finely serrated.

http://www.mexfish.com/fish/sptcrok/sptcrok.htm




this fish you caught has an obtrussive mouth, like that found on makeral and other fish-eating-fish, fish' ( try saying that 3xs fast)


so with that in mind and reviewing the other facts about the fish, i believe what you have there is a baby white sea bass, the reason is because they too have that type of mouth, some have that color, and every WSB from juvy to big-dog clemente's have a small black spot behind there fin also. my other thought was a selema without the stripes. but congrats either way, fun times at the pier.


GOTFISHUES



bsp might be right to down there \/, but i dont see the side stripe of a q/f

[bsp]

It may be a herring/queenfish...

[fish_sauce]

It may be a herring/queenfish...

i agree!

http://www.dfg.ca.gov/marine/mspc095.gif
http://www.dfg.ca.gov/marine/mspc094.jpg

note gotfishues comment on on the obtrusive mouth and note the depression on the upper profile of the head...two striking characteristics to a queenfish.

source: http://www.dfg.ca.gov/marine/mspcont3.asp